Transcript for Messianic Checkpoint: The Gospel of John (with Jeff Cavins) - 2022
SPEAKER_00
00:04 - 01:37
Hi, my name is Father Mike Schmitz and you're listening to the Bible in a year podcast where we encounter God's voice and live life through the lens of scripture. The Bible in a year podcast is brought to you by Ascension. Using great adventure Bible timeline, we'll read all the way from Genesis to Revelation, discovering how the story of salvation unfolds and how we fit into that story today. Speaking of today and speaking of Genesis to Revelation, we are now watching ahead. We just are in the midst of this time period, but we're jumping all the way to the gospel of John in the New Testament. It's our first of four messianic checkpoints. So one of the things that this comes out of is the idea or the reality, essentially, that as we're going through the Bible timeline, following these 14 narrative books, we recognize that if we just keep going through from beginning, to the end, we wouldn't be reading any of the New Testament until roughly November. And so we thought, wow, it would be very, very important to introduce to all of us in the midst of this year a number of times where we get to take it that back and actually kind of launch forward and see, you know, how it has all of this been leading to Christ because all the Old Testament is pointing to the New Testament, all the Old Testament is pointing to Jesus, who is the fulfillment of everything. And so, for the next seven days, we are going to be walking through the gospel of John. And in order to introduce the gospel of John's, we can get kind of an understanding, once again, of John and of the structure of John's gospel and how unique John's gospel is. Once again, we're joined by Jeff Cavesons, which were super grateful to talk with Jeff about John.
SPEAKER_01
01:38 - 01:56
Hey, Father. Good. Good to join you. And what a what a treat it is to look at a gospel at this at this point. It's like, uh, it's a little bit of a reprieve, isn't it? You're going through all this history and yeah, but what about Jesus? But what about Jesus? And here we are. We're going to jump ahead for the gospel of John. So this is going to be great.
SPEAKER_00
01:56 - 02:58
So good. Yeah, it's such a, it's so grateful for the opportunity, even just to see here is where the whole thing points, you know, as, as I know, you, I think you might have even been the first person to point out this quote from Santa Guston. I think it's Santa Guston, right? You can correct me on this one is that the Old Testament is revealed in the new and the New Testament is hidden in the old, right? And that's, that's one of the things that I love about, well, all of the New Testament and Old Testament, but like when it specifically comes to the gospel of John, there's a number of like just really critical connections that are fulfillment in John's gospel of all the stuff that we've been reading and some things will be reading in the future, but there's so many, I think the people who've been journeying with us for these last number of days Well, here, John's Gospel and an entirely new way knowing all of the, all that they know now, having walking through Genesis and Exodus and the liticus and numbers and Deuteronomy, all that we've been through, I think this is going to be just a unique experience of going journeying through John.
SPEAKER_01
02:58 - 04:14
Sure, it will be, and there's a couple of things to remember, and one is that all scripture that you have been reading, and in the case of our listeners, all the scripture you have heard up till now, is all crystal-centric, meaning it finds its fulfillment in Jesus Christ. And that's what Bible study is all about, and the other thing is what Pope Benedict mentioned, and that's called recapitulative history. It's a big fancy word for Jesus came and did it again. He came and he relived those stories, and so as you start to read the gospels now, keep in mind that this is about fulfilling something. It's about the Son of God fulfilling what the firstborn son did not complete. Jesus had to fulfill all righteousness. He had to complete this. And then we have some guidelines, you know, in the catacysm about it being a revelation of who Jesus Christ is. And that's where that's where we get to today with the gospel of John. And the gospel of John is different. Everybody knows there's four gospels. And the question would come up. Well, wouldn't it have been okay to just do maybe one? Just had one.
SPEAKER_00
04:14 - 04:15
It's one helpful story.
SPEAKER_01
04:16 - 07:08
Right, right, but the reason for that is that all four gospels have a different emphasis in some of the gospels share stories. So for example, Matthew, Mark, and Luke seem to be sharing material. The same stories, the same miracles that some of the dialogue. And so John stands out because John is really different than those other three gospels Not to mention that John is really for more of a universal audience. But there is an emphasis on each of the gospels. In Matthew, we see Jesus as king. In Mark, we see Jesus as the servant. In Luke, we see Jesus, the man, the humanity. And in John, we see God, Jesus as God, in fact, you know, in Matthew's gospel, it starts off with a genealogy and it goes back to a son of David, whereas John starts off and says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. And so it starts off with the divinity of of Jesus. A few other things that are really interesting is people are going to go through this with you. There's only eight miracles recorded in John and six of those miracles are very peculiar to John. John doesn't have any parables. whereas Matthew had nine of them, Luke had 35 parables. He taught very much in a hebraic way that way. But one of the things that's beautiful about John is that every single chapter provides kind of a separate portrait of who Christ is, and what he, what he has demonstrated as far as being God. And so you could say that the synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, they tell us what Jesus did, John tells us who he is. in a real beautiful way. Another thing that's interesting is that John, over one third of John's gospel, chapters 12 through 19, covers the last week of Jesus. And so it really focuses on that crucial work that he did, that centerpiece of his death burial and resurrection. That's a really, really important point. And our response to the gospel of John is the word belief. And that word belief is used many, many times, because as John is showing you that Jesus is God, Jesus is the key to salvation, then the onus is upon us to respond to it and that is called faithfulness or we believe, we believe the truth.
SPEAKER_00
07:08 - 08:32
Yeah, and that sense of how John makes that connection between belief and obedience and a lack of belief and disobedience when it comes to, I'm even even the classic slash powerful kernel the the most you know the heart of the gospel and John chapter three verse 16 for God's will of the world that he gave his only son that all who might believe in him might not perish by my never eternal life, but then he goes on to say but some disobeyed in and that sense that illuminates what truly is to believe in the context not only of I I ascent with my intellect and But also, I say, yes, with my will, I actually choose what God has commanded. I, if you love me, you'll do what I could command to you. You'll obey me, and there's that that connection between in John's Gospel is so powerfully between faith and the way we actually are living right now, which is just So necessary for the Christian life, as well, you know, one of the things that always strikes me about John's gospel is not just as you noted, there are not too many miracles and not any parables, but how thoroughly full of Jesus is teaching, just direct teaching, just it's, you know, whether that's the last supper discourse, the high, you know, high, pre-sleep prayer, that time during the last supper, how much Jesus is teaching that last night before his betrayal and before his suffering and passion.
SPEAKER_01
08:33 - 11:24
Mm-hmm. Yeah, you mentioned the High Priestly Prayer in chapter 17. That is, that is an amazing prayer that when we get to that, I will see that we are focus of that, that he prays that we would be one as he and the Father are one. And that's, that's very, very powerful. You know that every time I hear the gospel of John, I'm reminded of Pope John Paul II, because John Paul II, he did Lexio Divina on the gospel of John every month of his pontificate. So you could say that he literally owned it. He owned that gospel. And that's something that I would really encourage people to do is choose one of the gospels and own it. You know, really get to know it. Memorize, memorize the main theme of every chapter. Now, John is great for that because every chapter, as I said earlier, is a portrait, really of who Jesus is. Jesus is, in fact, John kind of looks at Jesus as a ballroom. What do they call those like a ballroom light that turns in the middle of a ballroom? Yeah, yeah, like a disco. Okay. Yeah, there was no one's ever compared Jesus to a disco ball before, but we have now. But every time every little aspect of that disco ball, if you will, it's fine. Okay, sure. Every bit of that chandelier reflects a certain aspect of them. So you have the very famous nine I am statements in in in of Jesus. So John says about Jesus. I am the bread of of life in John 6. I am the light of the world. John 8. And also in John 8 before Abraham was I am in John 10. I am the door. John 10, I am the good shepherd. John 11, I am the resurrection in the life. John 14, I'm the way the truth in the life. And John 15, I am the true vine. And John 18, I am he. And so, and John seems to enjoy doing this because when he later wrote When he later wrote the book a revelation, he also picked up on that as well, and uses I am the alpha and the omega. I am the beginning and the end. I am the first and last. I am he who lives and was dead, and I am he who searches and reigns in hearts, and I am the root and offspring of David, and I am the bright morning star. So John is just really into revealing who he is in his divinity. And I think that that is beautiful. The one verse that really caps it all off in John is John 1030 where Jesus said, I and my father are one. I and my father are one. And he who has seen me in John 14 has seen the father end of case.
SPEAKER_00
11:27 - 12:20
Yeah, yeah, there's that that that it's makes it so clear that Jesus is making the connection I mean who he believes himself, who he knows himself, who he knows himself, who he knows himself to be. And he knows himself to be, as you said, I and the Father are one. And before Abraham was I am, and all those pieces in as we heard in Book of Exodus, how God reveals his sacred name, I am. And here is Jesus who takes that and claims it for himself. No, there's a piece of, if you recall in the last chapter of John's Gospel, when after Jesus has risen from the dead, Peter and some of the other guys are out there fishing on the lake that they catch a certain number of fish. Is there a little kind of insider baseball here when it comes to that certain number of fish that could also be appointing to Jesus' identity?
SPEAKER_01
12:20 - 13:41
Yes, there actually is, and you bring up an odd point, right? And it says it's an odd point. It is. In John 21, Simon Peter went up and drew the net to the land full of large fish. And John wanted you to know how many. I mean, either he's either he's really got a thing with numbers or he is trying to show you something. It's 153 fish. Thank you, John. Because that story would have been incomplete without that number. 153. Fish, and although there were so many, the net was not torn. Yes, you're right. Numbers mean something to the Jewish people. And in the Hebrew language, there actually is not one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. They actually use the alphabet to depict the numbers. And so, every letter has a numerical value. And when you put the phrase, the phrase, I am God. In Hebrew, it comes up to the equivalent of 153. And that is an amazing revelation. And I guess you could call it a hebraic type of teaching where John is showing you that there was 153 fish. We'll see 153. Well, that made me, oh, I'm God. I thought something was fishy.
SPEAKER_00
13:44 - 14:41
No, it's just one of those things we're right where the Bible has so many different layers to it. And that's one of the reasons why we'll be going through with all of John's Gospel in only seven days. And so the next number of days for those who've been journeying with us are going to be pretty full. They're going to be full with the story. But I think I love about that is it means that we get to allow the entire story of John's Gospel to kind of just wash over us in many ways just to be able to take it in knowing that I won't be able to take it all in kind of like the previous 90 days or so I will not be able to take all of this in but what I'm going to do is I'm just going to I'm going to allow in whatever can get in and so I might miss the 153 thing I might miss some of the other pieces of the these stories of John's gospel but but to realize in one week I will have heard a gospel in its entirety, which I think is just a blessing. And I think something that all of us can be looking forward to.
SPEAKER_01
14:42 - 16:07
You know, you mentioned that 153 fish. And I mean, you're teaching me something here too. And that is that, you know, we are talking about John is really speaking about the divinity of Christ. And here at the very end of it, at the point, and I'll just mention this. This is after Peter betrayed the Lord three times. He let the Lord down three times. He was the first Pope. And he, you know, he did not serve the Lord the way he was supposed to. And he actually went back to fishing. That's what he's doing up in Galilee. And Jesus says, no, you still have that calling on your life. And that's where he reveals the 153 fish, which is in Hebrew. Ani Elohim. Ani Elohim. I am God. Ani is 61. Elohim is 92 for a total of 153 and I think that that is showing us that God is still God even after we've blown it and and maybe people reading with you during this time feel like you know I just haven't been the the servant of God or the husband or the or the son that I should have been. Well, this is the book where you have a chance to begin a fresh. And Jesus says to you, let Acherai come follow me.
SPEAKER_00
16:07 - 17:15
Yeah, yeah, that fear of am I just qualified? I know I know what I've done. I know what I was maybe even at some point as a follower of Christ. I know what he's called me to. And the dignity is bestowed upon me. But have I just qualified myself and am I am I done? He's gonna go on without me He's gonna do what he does because he's God and he's still he's still God. He'll get someone else Yeah, yeah, or is it? Or is it nope? Um, not you're not disqualified your restored and and that's those last chapters of John's Gospel. So so again, pay important for us because I think if you haven't been in the place yet where you feel like you've disqualified yourself when it comes to belonging to the Lord or serving the Lord. just wait because I think most of us get to that place and that's what we need to hear. Again, the Lord speak to Simon Peter and ask, do you love me? Okay, now feed my sheep. Let me restore you. You're not to squalified. You are restored and that's such a gift. as we conclude this episode Jeff any kind of as always asking any takeaways as people can launch into these this next seven days of John's gospel.
SPEAKER_01
17:15 - 18:35
Yes absolutely right in the middle of the gospel of John you have John chapter seven and John chapter eight and it's the story of the woman caught in adultery and the leadership wants to stone her and they are shaming her and she is broken and publicly shamed and it's an amazing story that the Lord releases her from that shame and brings her to himself. And so I would really encourage people, you know, whatever shame in your life. It doesn't have to be what this lady committed. It can be shame in your town, shame in your family, shame for something you said, shame for something you did in college, whatever it might be. I want you to know that Jesus is not going to hold you to that shame the rest of your life, but he is going to release you. because he can. He's God. He is divine. And that's what the focus is. And that's just not a theological point. That is an experience that we can have in our life. Because he's God, I can be free from shame. Maybe he was something on the internet who knows. But you can be free and be restored to the Lord, whether you are someone listening to the daily readings or you're the Pope.
SPEAKER_00
18:36 - 19:53
Right. And if the Pope's listening, he's just brushing up on his English. That's right. Listening to the Bible. Right. So good. And that I think that's a great word to not just end this episode on, but to launch into the Gospel John with. which is that sense of, I remember hearing someone describe that said that the guilt is when I know that I've failed to live up to a standard. And so, you know, I've, the standard being honest and I wasn't honest, so I'm guilty. But shame is when you see that I've failed to live up to that standard, that I'm not just that I'm guilty in your eyes. So it's a relational kind of a situation. And just what the healing, the remedy there, with the woman caught in adultery. She stands before her as on the ground before Jesus. And Jesus sees her and knows her and loves her. And as he says, I forgive you, I don't condemn you. I go into no more. And that being seen, allowing ourselves to be seen is one of the most powerful remedies for shame. And maybe not by everybody, but definitely by the Lord. Ah, some go so glad you brought that up as we launched into John's Gospel. You'll still have your Facebook group that will continue to meet on Thursdays.
SPEAKER_01
19:53 - 20:25
It's live at 2 p.m. central time on the Ascension Catholic Bible study page. Yeah, every we answer about three to five questions every week that you the listeners are asking. And usually it's, well, I don't understand this or how could God do that. And we try to take those apart as best we can. and always coming from the perspective of we trust God and God is good. He's not our is not arbitrary. He doesn't just do one thing one day and another another day. He's consistent and his actions are always held to who he is.
SPEAKER_00
20:28 - 21:18
because the commentaries each day, they're limited. They're incredibly limited, not only in time, but also in my own wisdom and knowledge. And so I'm so grateful that every week, those were journeying with us, have the opportunity to get your wisdom and your guidance. So that's what we're doing now. We're on this journey. And so we need each other. It's not just about ourselves, it's not just down to us, it's not just down to one person or even a couple people. It's the whole community of us who are allowing God's Word to shape our hearts and to form our vision so that we cannot only see like God sees and love like God loves, but truly live how God has called us to live. And so in order to do that, we need grace. And we need His help. And so keep praying for each other, keep praying for me. I am praying for you with Jeff Gavins. My name is Father Mike. I cannot wait to see you tomorrow. God bless.