Transcript for Post-Conviction Trump: Stronger Than Ever?
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We have two guests, two great men. that are fighting for the cause of liberty and this country. It is Rahim Kasam editor in chief of the National Pulse and Mike Davis from the article three project that join us the entire hour. Guys, I want to keep this a free flowing conversation. There's lots to cover here. First, I want to Rahim, I want to get a pulse check, get it. National pulse, get a little bit of a pulse check here. We are in a brave new world. This is very Huxelian, as much as it is or wellian, where we really don't know where we're going. The navigational tools of prior politics don't necessarily apply is Donald Trump's stronger post-conviction.
SPEAKER_01
03:43 - 05:35
I think that's a question that we are kind of waiting to figure out as the numbers continue to flood in and I'm not talking about the cash numbers here. Over the weekend of course, a lot of people are excited. about how much money is going into the campaign. I would be more excited about what I see coming out. And that output is, you know, it's a lot of different things. It's local ground game. It's changes. If there are going to be any, right, to help people cost their votes and how those votes accounted. And it comes down to, again, a big set piece moments like the debates as an example. I would say, Look, I'll just be totally honest with you. Donald Trump, even as Donald Trump, is still a human being. And I'm sure this stuff is weighing on him. That presser that he gave last week, you could see, you know, it's, and it's no fault of his, that you can see it weighing on him. You can see it taking a, a toll. But at the same time, I think It breeds a kind of resolve, right? It breeds a resolve at a local level. It breeds a resolve in the man himself. If channeled correctly, this puts him in a far better position. But at the same time Charlie, this isn't the first time I'll ever say this. It won't be the last time I ever say it. If the people around him and if they are in sea are not sharing in that resolve, they are not putting their shoulders to the wheel to get that man elected. Then he will not be elected. And there are so many details that go in behind that. There are so many small little boxes that you have to tick along the way. You cannot simply rely on on doda cash and polling performance. This is what real campaigns come down to nitty gritty and detail.
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05:35 - 05:44
Now I'm going to follow up with that in a second, but I want to get Mike's thought Mike stronger or neutral is he does he get stronger the more that is thrown at him?
SPEAKER_02
05:45 - 07:15
I think President Trump is going to get much stronger because of this unprecedented Biden Democrat law fair and election interference. We've been talking about this for the last nearly two years, Charlie since the unnecessary unlawful unprecedented rate on the Office of Former President for presidential records. He's allowed to have under the Presidential Records Act. And you see this Biden law fair against President Trump and many different jurisdictions across the country. And frankly, this New York case was their weakest case in the American people tuned in. And they didn't like what they see. They saw a rigged corrupt partisan process is an illegitimate process in New York. And I've seen and I've always knew that this welfare would backfire and backfire spectacularly. I was stunned after the with the reaction I saw after this bogus guilty verdict of President Trump. I was getting own calls, DMs, text messages. from people who don't like Trump, people who are sick of Trump, who are all in now. And I think it's going to unify all factions of the Republican Party. It's going to bring in independence. It's even going to bring in some right thinking Democrats. I think the American people understand that they, not these Biden Democrats, prosecutors and judges and witnesses and operatives in these Democrat hellholes of New York, D.C. to Atlanta. The American people get to decide who is our president.
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07:16 - 07:44
So Raheem, I want to throw back to you because you were kind of alluding to something. You said that the election will be won in the nitty gritty. We're doing our work at turning point pack and at turning point action. We're doing again out the vote chase the vote. We have, I mean, we got more events that we know what to do with hosting president Trump on Thursday, people's convention. Raheem, are you seeing the infrastructure that is necessary globally? Or do you think that there needs to be more emphasis, more funding? Just kind of give us a status report of what you're seeing.
SPEAKER_01
07:45 - 10:44
Yeah, frankly, the changes at a local level have not been made. Frankly, the operations at local level. Look, I'm getting calls multiple times a day. I'm sure you are too to say that the local level organizations are simply not where they need to be. The people who are being promised A lot of election integrity people on the ground, analysts, people to go through the rules, people to challenge the rules, legal fights, all of that have not, have not occurred, have not amounted to anything. And a lot of these people are officials at local levels, they point fingers at the RNC, the previous RNC and the current RNC by the way we have to be real about that. And not enough changes have been made in the short amount of time that they've had. And I do accept that it's been a short amount of time, but we also have an extremely short amount of time into the election. And by the way, when I see all of these things, goodness me, I'm happy to be proved wrong. I mean, that would fill me with Glee. But at this point in time, I can say the box ticking at a hyperlocal level. I'm getting the feeling that we're not quite there yet. Now, some of that can be dealt with using money, using resources. But you also have to have the right people. You also have to have the types of people who are willing to run headfirst on into these problems. We saw this issue come up several weeks ago when it was announced that Charlie Spees was being pushed into the RNC as chief legal counsel. And of course, many people objected to that. Charlie Spees being a friend of Mark Elias being a never trumper himself and and and present trump even objected to it twice in fact. So you have to have somebody in that kind of position who isn't going to try to come to an accommodation with the left, try to come to an accommodation with the government in terms of what the election result will be and what the challenges at state levels are going to be. You also have to have kind of a a much more targeted approach to dealing with this than just saying, and this is by the way, no slight on what Mike was saying, because I think he's absolutely correct. I'm a satin man hat and bars all weekend, pubs and bars all weekend. I gotta tell you. Some of the most left-wing people are talking to me and saying, I'm absolutely voting Trump because this is a disgrace and it's disgusting and whatever. You have to carry that through between now and November 5th and that is a big lift. It's a heavy lift and it's a lift that not just involves keeping that defined spirit up. but it also includes making sure those people get to the ballot box and cast their votes for Donald Trump on that day. And by the way, Charlie also cast their votes for Republicans down the ticket because we both know that if there is a Democrat house, if there is an ability for Democrats to go into the Chamber and say we are not certifying these votes for Donald Trump because, you know, he's a convict and an insurrectionist and whatever, they will take every opportunity possible.
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10:44 - 10:46
Mike Davis give something to add to that from Rahim.
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10:47 - 11:23
I 100% agree with both what you Charlie and what Raheem are saying. We have to be able to take this anger, this building support for President Trump. We have to translate that into voter registration and voter turnout. The Democrats are so much better than we are as Republicans, as conservatives, as right thinking Democrats and independence. They are so much better on the left. at turning out their votes and we need to get a lot better on the right at doing that. And so I commend what you guys are saying and what you guys are knowing.
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11:23 - 12:59
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13:00 - 15:47
I think we make sense of that because we what we've been talking about for two years Charlie is today's Democrats are not our parents or grandparents Democrat party. These aren't liberals who love America and just disagree with conservatives on the best way to get through these are leftist these are Marxist they they hate free speech they believe in censorship they hate a quality they believe in equity they hate do process they believe in politicized and weaponized justice systems and that's really started under me too and it's just escalated with these Biden trials of President Trump in multiple jurisdictions in New York, DC in Atlanta, civil criminal in Colorado. They tried to take them off the ballot and mean they tried to take them off the ballot in Arizona. The Arizona Attorney General who stole that election from ABS, she stole it. She brought a bogus indictment against Trump's supporters and eighths and named him as an undidided co-conspirator for January 6th. up based upon another bogus Biden Democrat driven legal theory and she could easily add him as an indict it's conspirator co-conspirator at any point. So this is look, these are Republican tactics by these by by President Biden his attorneys like Jonathan Sue, who green, he works with Gary Stern at the National Archives, the General Council along with J. Brad at the Justice Department to orchestrate the Moralago rate, the political hits. I mean, Biden's fingerprints are on all four of these unprecedented indictments with Jonathan Sue. I was fingerprints on the Marlaga, which led to two of Jack Smith's indictments, one for January 6th, the non-cremble of objecting to a presidential election, which is allowed by the Electoral Count Act of 1887 in the First Amendment. Biden's fingerprints are also on Jack Smith's January 6th case through Jonathan Sufer. The Marlaga case for having presidential records in the Office of Former President, which is allowed by the Presidential Records Act. Notice how the Biden Justice Department is prosecuting Trump for having presidential records, but not prosecuting Biden for having stolen classified records. And then you have, but you have Matthew Collangelo going to Bragg's office from the number three office in the Biden Justice Department to bring this bogus trial. And New York, you have Nathan Wade. Fanny Willis is big dumb on qualified boyfriend building 16 hours of his time, $250 an hour to meet with the Biden White House, including the White House Council. This is Biden, driven, law fair and election interference, and that the Republicans need to understand that and fight back against this.
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15:47 - 15:49
Is it time to indict the left or him to some?
SPEAKER_01
15:49 - 17:03
Yeah, yes. And I think the public is inducing the left right now, and that needs to be carried through to an actual legal process. You know, we used to worry about relatives, Now we've got pure demonic forces out there being celebrated. We used to worry about socialism. Now we have full on communism in the western world. We used to worry about integration of people from other countries. Now you have overt anti-white racism having been normalized. You know, they have they have totally and completely decided. to pursue a strategy to pursue a philosophy of what can only be described as third-worldism. It's third-worldism. They want to turn this country into a third-world nation. It's not my accident. They're not morons. They're not stupid. They are exactly what they're doing. They want to create this space. It's why they're giving millions upon millions of emergency authorizations for work to millions of illegals, even some of them becoming police officers, by the way, in California and Illinois. This is, you know, once upon a time, you were pilloried for saying the word replacement. Well, they are replacing everything. They are supplanting everything about Western civil society. And that is a reality to which a lot of people woke up this past week.
SPEAKER_00
17:03 - 17:20
It is time to indict them because that is all they understand is mutually assured destruction. So, Raheem, I want to start with you. This is an amazing piece from the National Pulse, all about the continued like the push for amnesty essentially from Joe Biden. Walk us through this piece.
SPEAKER_01
17:20 - 19:42
Yeah, thanks, Charlie. You know, this is something we've been keeping our eye on for some time now. Wondering what exactly is the Biden regime doing with all these people that are being brought illegally into the country. You know, we know we see the horror stories. We see the worst parts of and we keep it also a migrant crime round up every week. just to show people what's going on, but on the flip side, you know, what are the pool factors? This is a phrase that we've often used to use in the run up to the Brexit campaign. What are the pool factors? You know, besides America being the land of plenty well, you've got the corporate pool factors, which are a major major part of it, and what's happening as a result of that? is the government is being lobbied by massive massive US corporations, Tyson Foods, being the most hated example of that. To say, hey, look, you've got all of this labor in this country. We've lobbied you to keep the borders open and keep these people coming in for decades now. They're finally getting what they want, and now how do we actually put these people to work? They are effectively The indentured servants to the corporate American class because what the Biden government is doing is giving people emergency authorization for work permits. It's kind of known as a green card light. to people who work in the immigration industry and what it does is it takes somebody who's either in the country completely illegally or somebody who's awaiting an asylum claim or case or whatever and it says to them, you know what? Why don't you just go work in one of these factories for patents an hour in one of the, in fact, one of these dangerous factories, we've heard so many horror stories people, you know, unqualified and getting their arms cut off and sucked into machines and things like that. An expendable slave class of people as far as corporate America is concerned. And we're now watching this take place. We had seen it take place by the tens of thousands. For some months, we're now seeing it, building to the hundreds of thousands to the point where we're now entering the millions of people, being authorized to work in the US. And I will keep saying it. It is indentured servitude. It is modern day slavery.
SPEAKER_00
19:43 - 19:58
This is a huge story. Mike, I want to get you your take on the lawless thread here. How are we able to continue to have the pseudo amnesty? Wouldn't the courts strike this down? What is the legal perspective here?
SPEAKER_02
19:59 - 21:14
Yeah, that's a big problem. And the problem is the courts need to step up with Congress as in charge of writing our immigration laws and the president has a duty under the Constitution to enforce them. And what we've seen under President Biden as he has abandoned his job as the chief executive, the chief law enforcement officer. And he's allowed over 10 million illegal immigrants to flood into our country. And many of them are unvettable fighting age men from some of the worst trouble spots around the world, including China. I mean, that's a huge problem that we're letting people come in from these places. And frankly, the House Republicans should step up and do more. They need to have more oversight. They need to have more accountability. They need to You know, hold my work is accountable. They tried to do that in the promises they just there are too many Republicans that are as Raheem was saying there are too many Republicans who are in that corporate camp, right? And they, they, you know, they'll say good things. They'll pay lip service about illegal immigration. But behind the scenes, they want this to happen because it helps their corporate overlord.
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21:18 - 23:39
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SPEAKER_02
23:39 - 26:01
Yeah, this is such a silly hoax, another hoax by the Democrats. I know Mrs. Alito, and I love Mrs. Alito, but she is a very strong, wild woman. And as you saw from Justice Alito's statement that he put out, which was kind of humorous to read, she wanted to fly flags at the house, and Justice Alito didn't like the flags, and Mrs. Alito want, right? And so she flew flags at the appeal to Heaven, that has been flown for centuries going back to George Washington. It was the American Revolution flag. It was flown in San Francisco. City of San Francisco flew this flag until and all of a sudden became the symbol of January six two weeks ago, somehow. Right. And so it's just absolutely silly that the left is trying to say that because Mrs. Alito flew this flag that's flown in America For centuries, including in San Francisco, not exactly Maga territory, that that was somehow an insurrection flag on January 6 because some people on January 6 flew that flag and other flags. And so, therefore, just as Alito, somehow has to be accused from the two January 6 cases before the Supreme Court, right now the Fisher. case on obstruction of justice under a post-in run statute and then President Trump's presidential immunity. It is a laughably stupid legal argument. If somehow justice alone needed to refuse, why hasn't the Biden justice department filed a motion asking for him to refuse? And the reason is it is such a frivolous arguments. And they know it. And there was also an upside down American flag at the stress flag that Mrs. Alito flew when one of her deranged left wing neighbors harassed the hell out of her culture of the seaward after she told them to take an F. Trump signed down that the that these crazy neighbors had near a bus stop at their Virginia house. So the appeal to heaven, flag flew at their New Jersey Beach House that she owns. Mrs. Alito owns and then their Virginia house that they both own. They she got into a scuffle with the neighbor because this neighbor's a real partisan to range jerk and had an F Trump signed in front of kids at a school bus.
SPEAKER_00
26:02 - 26:27
So we're here. This is all coordinated. This was a coordinated PR hit, right? This appeal to Heaven stuff because they wanted to try to weaken the Supreme Court. It is the only branch of government that is like a check on sanity. We don't have the administrative state. We do not have the executive branch. And we do not have the congressional branch. The Supreme Court is the last bastion that says no, we're here in Kassan.
SPEAKER_01
26:27 - 28:23
Yeah, and there's so much more to that story as Mike was sort of getting to there as well, the harassment with which they have had to deal. By the way, if anybody should be offended by appeal to heaven, it's the British guy, right, and I'm not offended by it. They were undergoing a harassment campaign at their home. The neighbors were putting up signs that were threatening. They were marching outside the house. They were shouting at them so and so forth. And so the response was, OK, we're going to fly the distress flag to show to people that, hey, even in our own neighborhood, we're being routinely abused like this. And as you say, called the Seaward, but that's not all. The mother of the couple who was doing this to the elite is, I think she was to PBS executive, came out and said, well, they were doing it with the best of intentions. Well, what is the best of intentions behind harassing a neighbor, let alone the neighbor being the Supreme Court justice and his wife? There is no, there's absolutely no justification for that. And what they're doing here is yes, undermining the Supreme Court and its decision making power in all of these cases, but it's also meant to threaten the lives of these people. You know, it's no surprise. that they will come to some kind of plea deal with the guy who tries to go and assassinate just as Kevin or but of course the guy who breaks into the Pelosi's house gets 40 years in the book thrown at him right there's a completely divergent ways of dealing with similar cases there. And it's designed again to try and make Republicans try and make conservatives think twice about the career trajectories that they're going through. It's going to fail because I think a lot of people now are probably the appeal to heaven flag has never been so popular in this country, probably since the the late 1770s and and and and so that should be quite right. Everybody should I was just reading an article in the break that said that Republican members of Congress are now erecting those flags outside their offices and so they should be. You cannot you cannot accept this. You cannot allow for it.
SPEAKER_00
28:23 - 28:29
Lean back in that that's exactly right. Mike Davis final thought on this topic. I would say this.
SPEAKER_02
28:29 - 28:46
These loved us have glass jars. break them legally and politically. Don't stop cowing to the left, stop playing by their rules, stop living in fear, but the only thing the left understands and appreciate is power, show them power.
SPEAKER_00
28:46 - 28:54
I want to show you guys give your digits and coordinates here, Rahim. First, then Mike, how can people support you? Follow you guys. All that good stuff.
SPEAKER_01
28:54 - 29:23
Yeah, thank you, Charlie. The NationalPulse.com is the URL. We are 100% people funded. No donors, no political cash, none of that, no adverts, none of that. We are relying 100% on ordinary people to have our backs so we can keep doing the news, keep bringing you the analysis. And that keeps us as our structure line says radically independent. It's at the net pulse on X and I am at Rahim Gassam. It's just about everywhere.
SPEAKER_00
29:23 - 29:26
Mike, how can people follow support you? What are your coordinates?
SPEAKER_02
29:26 - 29:35
Article 3 project.org article number 3 project.org. You can take action there. You can donate there and you can find our social media there.
SPEAKER_00
29:35 - 29:49
Very good. So guys, in closing here last topic, I want to tackle with you Vice-Presidential Selection. Where's your head at? Mike Davis first, then Raheem, who would be, let's just say, from best to worst, rank a couple names that come off. Mike Davis first.
SPEAKER_02
29:50 - 30:27
I think Charlie and Raheem would be the best and I don't know. I think maybe Nikki Haley might be the worst. So, but I think President Trump needs to pick whoever he's comfortable with, whoever he likes and who's conservative and is able to step up and lead if something happens to the president. That's really the biggest job as the vice president is, are they able to lead on day one? There are so many good people out there. Sarah Hunt could be Sanders and Arkansas. I really like. I really like JD Vance. There are so many. I probably should stop there because I'm going to leave people out.
SPEAKER_00
30:27 - 30:37
So, Raheem, before I get to your answer there, I do want your reaction to Nigel Farage saying that he's going to be the new leader of the Reform Party. I don't know what this means. So, break this down for the American audience here.
SPEAKER_01
30:38 - 31:42
It means Nigel Farage is back, back from his, I mean, number one rated television show, nightly show in the United Kingdom. But he's back in front line politics. It means he will run for a seat in Parliament. That means he will be the leader of the reform party, which is the successor to the Brexit party. And it's kind of the conservative party that the soft left conservative parties worse nightmare, because it means that he is effectively now the leader of the opposition for anybody who actually considers themselves a populist, a nationalist, a conservative, and somebody who doesn't, or anybody who doesn't want an a valid self declared socialist in charge of the country, and it looks like Labour Party will win. this election on July 4th, they will come on the majority in Parliament. They will get Sir Kea Stormer, the most probably the most boring man in politics as the next Prime Minister, but it really sets Nigel up to level up from being kind of a protest vote back in 2015 and 16 to being the leader of the most effective opposition party in British politics.
SPEAKER_00
31:42 - 31:45
Does that mean one day he could be Prime Minister?
SPEAKER_01
31:45 - 31:47
It absolutely does. It absolutely does.
SPEAKER_00
31:47 - 31:53
So yeah, so then without those that he's like basically planting the seeds and my understanding that correctly. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01
31:53 - 32:31
It's it's taking that next step up. You know, people said to him for a long time, you know, you'll always be this kind of fringe figure pulling votes away from the conservative party just expressing this Brexit just content that people have out there. But traditionally, they've left you when times are hard and they'll flock back to the conservative party. That is no longer the case. And these are the dice that Nigel is rolling at this election to say to the public, no, look, you don't have any real conservative options left in the conservative party. The polling is certainly showing us that the public believes that. And so Nigel is taking a chance on the public as much as giving the public the opportunity to take a chance on him here.
SPEAKER_00
32:31 - 32:49
That's major news. Guys, thank you so much for the full hour here. I really appreciate it. We are out of time. Thanks so much for having me. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody email us is always freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.
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