Transcript for What Makes Charlie An Expert, Anyway?: Charlie vs. The University of Utah

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Hi, so You dropped out of college and your highest community college. So your Harper College experience, I apologize.

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Apparently it was smart enough to make it through community college. Okay, so bear in mind if you're high school.

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Your highest degree level is an honorary doctor's degree from Liberty University. Well, that's true.

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I do have an honorary PhD.

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Yeah, so essentially What are your qualifications for arguing that college is a scam or really any having any economical knowledge at all? When likely the vast majority of the students here know more than you about economics as a whole. Who's Milton Friedman? Who's Milton Friedman? I have no idea. That's not important in this conversation. Who is Ludwig von Mises? These are all probably economists and then same. Same thing. John Maynard Caine. Oh, obviously I know what Caine is. Oh, obviously. It's the most famous economist of all time.

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You don't know Milton Friedman?

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I mean, that's an economist. Okay. How about Murray Rothbard? That's another economist. F.A.

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Hayek? I don't know who that is. Well, then you just came here insulted my intelligence for your right. I barely made it through community college because I was too busy. I don't know starting a national youth movement with hundreds of thousands of members. employing hundreds of people raising hundreds of millions of dollars. Yes, having a top 10 most popular potchap. You're reaching tens of millions of people online every day. Sure. But you're also quite like all of your constituents, idiots, but they're participate in a scam. So then why don't you have to be so delicious? I just hadn't ten people come up and we had warm conversations. So you asked what are my qualifications? I'm a job creator entrepreneur auto-di-deck. Do you know what that word means? Yeah self-taught, you know, you should probably learn that word. If you're going to come up with another people's intelligence. So auto-diadapticism is what leader not a divinity was. You don't have to go to college to be wise. You don't have to go to college to be intelligent. I read a hundred books a year. I visited over 50 colleges. I'm not saying, I'm intelligent. I'm just saying you last one. Are you a New York Times best seller? Of course not. I'm a college. Got it. So I'm just trying what are my qualifications? I have published books, read lots of books, dialogue a lot of people, and instead of asking what my qualifications are, can you even want this to be the wrong one?

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05:06 - 05:22

Hold on, name one thing I'm wrong about. You literally just, you just now incorrectly cited the difference between socialism and communism. While you, how so, how so, you claimed that Russia was socialist. Russia was a Soviet Union. It was a communist nation.

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05:22 - 05:42

There is a significant difference between what did Lenin say that socialism is the gateway to communism, and he was self-prescribed socialist. Lenin, in his private planet and documents and the Russian revolution. And it was overtaken by Stalin. Hold on a second. No, so I didn't die, and then Stalin was a successor. Yeah. So, but Lenin himself said, quote, that socialism is the introductory phase to communism.

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Okay, so then the vast majority of people when they're referring to communist Russia are referring to Stalin's rule over Russia. That was a communist rule that turned into a fascist rule later on.

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Okay, so, but what, what, what, what thinker was deified in Soviet Russia? That thinker was deified? Yes. Marx. And what, what, what book did Marx write? Yes.

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You wrote capital, which any also wrote the communist comment about us. That was his co-author. Who is co-author?

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Yeah, angles good. I'm glad college is really paying off for you. Hey, so um So no, but it's okay. It's fine. He comes up here and insults my intelligence. What are your qualifications? Doesn't even know the co-author of the communist manifesto or does that talk? But no, let me again.

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Again, again, but there's my lack of knowledge on that mean that I have no knowledge.

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Again, is that not say you're an insult to me? And you came up here guns a blazing man. And let me just ask again, what did I say that was wrong? I said that under the generally agreed upon definition of communism and socialism, which are interchangeable terms, one is a more harsh degree of the other. is that the elimination of the family, the elimination of private property, and the deprivation of basic human rights, such as right to speech, right to assembly, and right to worship, how is that not a good definition of communist prisoners? That explains the nationalism better. Well, but in the communist manifesto, Mark said, quote, we are here to destroy the nuclear family and eradicate the family because it was the original oppressive tyrannical structure. He said, religion is the opiate of the masses and that private property must be eradicated. I have just now documented all three of those with evidence back to original source documents. And then in practice, Russia did all those three things when they were the Soviet Union.

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But then at the same time, if you claim that those are all negative things, then why do you practice certain things in the doctors that you just stayed at?

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I'm not trying to take people's stuff away. I want people to have bigger families and I want churches to remain open.

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07:34 - 07:53

Yeah, but the thing is that your main your biggest thing your biggest point that everyone here is for is that you're a massive transform potential white supremacists so How am I? It's free speech, so no, you'd say whatever you want.

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First of all, what have I ever said? That's racist. Second of all, how am I a transfer? What do I sell up?

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What if you said men shouldn't be in female sports? That is a potentially transphobic take and now it depends on how you take that. Can you tell me why? Can you tell you why? Well, that's essentially taking away the ability of people to say that, you know, trans people trans women are women. That is the truth. Transman are men.

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So if you just wear a costume if you wear a costume of something you can come back again. Can I be a black person?

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No because that's an entirely different concept.

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So that I wear black face. I don't become a black person. That's why she's a woman.

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No, because Jesus Christ. Hold on.

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Explain to me why you can have all of a sudden become a woman just by wearing makeup or having estrogen, but I can't change races.

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Because this has been proven by science. You know that there's evidence.

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What science shows that you could change the chromosomal makeup of every cell. Everyone in your cell says X, Y. Every single one of her cell says X, X, X, X. You can't change that regardless of your dress, you're makeup, surgery interventions, or no matter how many chemicals you take. Also, I thought you said we should trust the science.

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Well, we should trust the science, but also you're yourself. Why do you care at the same time, though?

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Hold on. No, see, that's really interesting. You called me a transphob, and then you resort to, but then why do you care? You're now a transphob. I'm curious. I'm curious. That's why you're so first about you can't prove I'm a transphob, correct?

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No, I can. Okay, tell me how. Tell me how because of the doctrine that you just stated. Okay.

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That is trying to believe that there are no genders to sexist infinite personalities is transphobic. Yes. Okay. You do nothing but like her own insults because you think it's like, cool. I guess but you can't prove it. But why do I care? I care for a very specific reason because women deserve to be protected in society from pervert men who want to go into their locker rooms.

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Who are worried about the men who are just currently going and raping women?

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Well, I care about that too. I think rapish should be castrated and put in prison for you. Of course. Absolutely.

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Well, like, well, I think that's just like, that's all anecdotal evidence.

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All this like anecdotal, actually. Riley gains had a change next to a pervert man in the NCAA championships when he exposed his genitalia to her as a pervert. Every day, young ladies are exposed to pervert men that come into their locker rooms. We used to have crimes against that. Now we call it trans progress. Secondly, you asked, why do I care? Because I care about truth and I care about biological reality. You cannot change nature. Are you not based on your will? Culture war then? No, I'm observing facts and defending nature. Yeah, I'm defending how we are made and created. The one stoking the culture wars that won coming up on a 10 out of 10 guns blazing saying, I'm not qualified for this debate because I'm a community college dropout. You're the one stoking division. The culture war on the one defending No, I'm excited.

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The group that stoked culture war to begin with. This is the most culturally divisive group in the country. Hold on a second.

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Did I start to trans debate in this country or did the trans people start their trans debate?

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No debate. They just wanted to exist as they were.

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No, I don't want to be telling them what they can exist. They want us to use their pronouns. They want to go in female locker rooms. They want us to pay for their surgeries and they want to go after children. It is not live and let live. It's live and let us rule. If it was live and let live and have a bunch of 30 year olds wear dresses in their living rooms alone, no one would care. It's the two signs and curriculum.

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very home of the individual while you're not allowing individuals to exist as they want to be. Hold on, again, you are, again, criticizing your beliefs of individuality and rugged, rugged individualism as a whole, which is a completely American ideal. You're telling people that they cannot exist as they would like to be. Who gives, I don't give a, okay, let's, let's play this out.

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Let's play this out, hold on. So who has people want to be? If a 30-year-old wants to be 12, Can they of course not but that's a different thing people as they want to be man. It's the same thing no it's a mental ill leave it they can believe it but at the same time why not let them what hold on but if a 30-year-old then wants to participate in 12-year-old soccer games should be allowed in the do they get and you know is an entirely no is entirely because no way to stand in this mental health problems is that it's a view of self gender dysphoria. There's another whole clinical part of literature about how people think they're animals. And there's other political literature people think that they're still children. So the question is, why do we then carve out in the DSM-5? Oh, if you think you're a man or if you think you want the DSM-5? Of course I do, yes.

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What is agnostic system manual?

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Yes. Right exactly. Why in the DSM-5 do we then carve out

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gender identification when we don't carve out age identification shouldn't people be able to live the life as they see fit as rugged individualist of course I believe that they should be able to live exactly how they want to but we should allow thirty a road to be able to go into twelve-year-old soccer games no that's that's not necessarily what I mean you're getting in the way of their individual rights but how was this about this if you then believe it is a mental illness then why are you not And you know, why would you not say put more taxes towards funding mental health? Hold on a second awareness.

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You don't know my emotions on that.

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I do know because you claim all the times that you don't want to spend.

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They for people. So now we're finally getting somewhere. How do we help trans individuals? You don't help them by giving them surgery. You don't certainly don't help them by giving them chemical castration. Do you know the cast report that came out last week? The cast report is the longest longitudinal study ever done by a government agency that actually tracked trans youth over 10 years and it found out that chemicals don't work, surgical intervention doesn't work, puberty blockers don't work, the only thing that works is what we use to do, which is called watchful waiting, which is that puberty is not the problem, but puberty is the solution for trans youth. that the vast majority of trans youth that are suffering from this are women 75% of young girls that get caught up in a social contagion a fad and it turns out instead of chopping off their breasts we should wait for their breasts to actually fully grow and that they actually get comfort in their body you go to every single young lady in this audience they felt uncomfortable in their body at some point in time when they were 11 12 13 14 praise God they did not come under that social contagion and they went under the knife or given testosterone

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14:01 - 14:06

I don't think we need children changing their gender before the age of 18. I don't think we need that.

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Okay, but now we're getting somewhere, man, because now hold on because you have to call the trans folk for that position in California. Of course, I'll be called listen, you can be called a lot of people.

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I still feel like city Utah. I'm still not like California.

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We're getting somewhere because 15 states around the country allow gender affirming care for you.

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And listen, that is a whole separate issue. I don't have the knowledge. I don't have the knowledge to go much further on gender-forming care for children. I don't study that, okay? Now what I will say though is that I still think that if you're going to claim that it's a mental illness, you should at least advocate. Hold on. You should at least advocate for people getting care for that. And that could include subsidizing their care. If it's truly an issue to you, like, instead of just a minor statistical anomaly in the blip of the United States, 330 million power, 300 million, what I don't know what you're saying, whatever. 330 million person population, right? If you claim it's a that large problem, then we should be subsidizing mental health care and helping people. There are people, I mean, listen, dude. Here's the problem.

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I is that I have mental health care. We give them leads to surgery. So I will not advocate for mental health care for youth for trans youth because the actual state are to care.

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Then advocate for better side of our care.

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Oh, no, I would do that. If the standard of care that has been proven is actually implemented for youth that have a temporary rapid onset gender dysphoria issue, as it was once described. Last question, you call me a white supremacist. What evidence do you have that I'm a racist?

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15:41 - 15:56

I was just literally watching a video of you talk about how they're talking about whiteness as a whole, what talking about whiteness as a concept, okay? And you were trying to explain how white privilege doesn't exist, correct? It doesn't. You are a white man, how do you know? Because I have eyes.

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Because you have eyes. And I'm just guessing. So what kind of black person do that I can't do in America or my black person? What can I do? So a black person can't do.

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Let's think of some history right here. Let's go to the history of red line.

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I don't need history. I don't. Yes. No, you're talking about white. Do you need a history lining? Clearly you need to find no talking points better than you do. And I've read all those little literature that you have. Probably forgot more about the lecture.

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The history affects the present day as well. You know that's true. If you went to college, you wouldn't know. Well, hold on a second. But let me, let me. So then why are you wearing the college and scam shirt? Drop out. Well, well, because you could, so it's because you don't believe your own beliefs and that's what I think.

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Well, you could, you can admit something's a scam and still get through it. That's why he's wearing it. Okay. You can feel like you're getting ripped off by an airline. But I still want to get to know why we're talking about anymore. You're like, I'm getting ripped off by a thousand dollar ticket, but you still get on the airplane. Like, it doesn't make you a hypocrite. It means that the people are ripping you off and a lot of you are getting ripped off. But no. So as far as white privilege, just without the history lesson of Jim Crow, segregation, imperialism, colonialism, slavery, all the stuff that I know that you're going to say. But just in concretely, in America today, what kind of white person do that a black person can't do?

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Black applicants to jobs are 50% less likely to get jobs with they have a black sound name.

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That's not even close to being close to being true.

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That's a literal, in fact it's the opposite. I'm not going to argue your latest experience.

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I'm not going to know. Now you have to listen to him under your rules because a black person is going to say you're wrong.

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I am, and he can't say I'm wrong. Come on up to the mic. My name is Keeman Dixon.

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I have a really black name. Please tell me how 50% of my internships have been denied when I've worked for Senator Mike Lee. Mayor Trinsack. I've worked for a congressman Burgess Owens. I've actually worked on his campaign. I've worked on the campaigns of John Hussman Jr. Please tell me how my black experience in my black man has not given me shit. Go ahead.

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So... If you... No, because what I said about the number of 50%, there is another 50% of people. First of all, how many black people living Utah? How many black people living Utah? I think it's 1.2% of the population.

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You know I'm close. Okay, but first of all, your study's totally wrong. Second of all, for college admissions. Blacks get preferential treatment in college admissions. Yes, because of affirmative action. Oh, because you think that you're struggling to get the scores of other applicants. I don't believe in the bigotry of low expectations. I don't think that we should lower test scores based on the color of the skin. You think that we should.

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That's affirmative action. I mean, I'm technically a product of an affirmative action program. That's why I'm at the Honors College at the University. Because you couldn't get in on your own intelligence. No, I am smart enough. But then why do you need affirmative action? Why don't you need affirmative action? Because I'm a first-generation college student. I can't do anything. Yes, it is. Part of that's part of affirmative action.

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Nothing. If you're smart enough, and you have a high IQ, and I'm a car, and I'm a high-end, I'm a native Hawaiian student. Okay. Oh, so you're the Pacific Islander that stole a spot of a white person. Stole a spot of a white person. You're a affirmative action star.

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So this is why I claim that you are, yes or no, you're affirmative action person. I mean, there's no evidence of knowing that, but I just you just said you you just self admitted you were affirmative action. I just believe that there's a reason why I'm in the honors college and not because you're test scores. I mean, I had pretty high test scores. I had a 29 on the ace.

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Okay, that's not great. Yeah, that's not very high at all. So that's high. Oh, okay. Wait 29 high. Yeah, I know I got a 34 like I know yeah, I know so Okay, so I I didn't I So a 29 get soon to the honors contest. Okay, I'm learning something Okay, so I guess 29's good enough to go to honors college at Utah So I learned something I mean we have a 99% acceptance rate.

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We let everybody here, but not to say like I'm not trying to claim I'm so much appreciate it. Anyway, thank you

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Yes, uh-huh.

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Yeah. We bought the mic.

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All right, we got. All right, so I was noticing some of the signs that you had walking around. Yeah. One of them being, uh, there's only two genders. Yeah.

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It should be zero genders, but yes. But yeah, they're not totally wrong.

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Oh, okay. So yeah, I was going to talk to you about that with the idea that that was what I used to say. So they're, they're taking old Charlie Kirk's stuff. Okay. Because there is a clear difference between sex and gender. There is.

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Yeah, I believe the in zero genders, two sexes. Yeah.

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So, when you say that you believe in zero-genres, the idea of a gender is a social contract, do you agree with that?

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Well, I believe it's a term made by John Money. Okay, original John Money is now. It's okay. John Money was the pioneer of the idea of gender and transgenderism. He was from New Zealand. He was housed, where I'm looking for. He authored, he was, did his work at John Hopkins. And the word gender was his creation. Do you believe that? I think it's completely irrelevant. So I think only sex matters, but here's my statement. Zero genders, two sexes, infinite personalities. So I will concede that a lot of people have personalities.

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So you might have a feminine personality. So what that personality would you respect all of those personalities?

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I mean, I believe everyone's made in the image of God, of course. But I hope they would respect my views too, which is not to use a pronoun against your biological

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I think that is the respectful both ways. But it's not like I do identify as a man. Let's say identify as a woman. Is that disrespectful to you? Well, hold on.

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It is to the extent of you make me believe it. I'm not making you. Hold on, Nathan. Time out. What if I mispronoun you or misgender you? Are you doing it by accident?

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It doesn't matter. I think. Intentionally.

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Let's say I'm doing it on purpose. If you're doing it on purpose. Yeah, let's say that I believe you're not actually a woman that I see that you have a beard. I see you have chest hair, whatever. Yeah. And you say you must call me a woman. And I say no, dude. Well, so.

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So with woman and man, I agree, there's two sexes. I do believe that there aren't zero genders. I do believe that there are, like you said, in front of the audience.

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Yeah, it's a category that's irrelevant, basically. Yeah, I think both.

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So what you say is personality is what I and several other people view as gender. So fair.

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But I think we're getting somewhere because they don't ask your personality, you know, entrance, you know, and take at the doctor's office, right? Only sex should matter and sex cannot be changed.

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You already did that. So in terms like you talked about like a surgery, chromosomes and what sort of chromosomes you can never change, however even when you're talking about in sports and stuff, In terms of men, competing as women, women, competing as men, there are regulations that they have to meet in terms of testosterone.

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It doesn't get close to even some feel.

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You would have a problem with that, not necessarily the person itself. For example, if the institution, not the person, that's the problem.

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It's the practice. It's the principle of it. Number one, because it's a man. If a man has to finish, okay, but no, finish your thoughts.

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As you say, in terms of the institution, if a man had to have low enough estrogen levels, that doesn't cut it for me.

SPEAKER_02

24:14 - 24:55

That doesn't make a man or a woman. Estrogen levels, there are females in this audience with high testosterone. Yes. That doesn't make them a man. Right? There are men in this audience. You saw a couple earlier with low testosterone levels. Yes. That doesn't. It doesn't make them a woman. They're a man, right? So that's what we measure there. But there's also other, there's other characteristics though. Like, for example, one part of that field of vision. Your lung capacity, right? or there's all sorts of different, what makes you a man or a woman is coded in every cell. From how big your organs are, from your even your heart size, taking estrogen testosterone, it's like tempering at the edges.

SPEAKER_01

24:59 - 25:08

I say gender, you say personality. And I think that's important, though, because you're saying gender doesn't, oh, you think there's zero. Gender is a gender doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_02

25:08 - 25:24

Well, I think that gender has been this false road we've been on, post John Money, that has led us to then conflate gender insects and lead us to believe that people can become things they actually can't. And so when you go back to the roots of where gender came from.

SPEAKER_01

25:24 - 25:30

So in terms of how we define gender today, it's how you identify, which I think is completely irrelevant.

SPEAKER_02

25:30 - 25:32

That's a horoscope in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01

25:32 - 25:35

No, but how you identify is irrelevant.

SPEAKER_02

25:38 - 25:49

because if it cannot be observed, it's not relevant and so you would be observing it. But if you think you are a wolf, do you become a wolf? The wolf argument and other arguments?

SPEAKER_01

25:52 - 26:03

Maybe I'd be considered transphobic for it. I believe that gender is a human thing. So if you believe you're an animal, cat, whatever, which is an insignificant population. But there's a term for it.

SPEAKER_02

26:03 - 26:07

It's called the like, like, can't trophy or something. It's something to fact check me on that.

SPEAKER_01

26:07 - 26:25

It's something like that. It's not even worth talking about in my opinion, because it's such a small population. A small bit of a big amount of attention. Yeah. However, with trans people, I think of it in terms of respect, right? It's respect is mutual. So, yes.

SPEAKER_02

26:25 - 26:31

If it's a lifestyle views, so why can't a trans person respect my views? It's not to lie.

SPEAKER_01

26:31 - 26:46

If you think it's disrespectful for me to make you believe something, then you'd also agree it's disrespectful for you to call me something. So now we have the true tension. Yeah. Who's wrong? Is there a wrong or right? Yes. In gender or sex?

SPEAKER_02

26:46 - 26:50

Because in sex there is. Yeah, that's why I say I dismissed gender from the conversation as a matter.

SPEAKER_01

26:50 - 26:53

You all have a sign that says there's only two genders. No, you can't.

SPEAKER_02

26:53 - 27:02

I've already clarified that. They mean well. I've already clarified that. But I'm clarifying and what they're saying is parroting what I used to believe until further inspection, which is all that sex is really man is man.

SPEAKER_01

27:03 - 27:05

I did come up here mainly because of the sign. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_02

27:05 - 27:37

And I was just clarifying and I'm conceited at the point. But personalities are abundant. Personalities also change. Yes. Right. I know that some people were super cocky when they were kids. They became super humble or vice versa, right? Yeah. Or people they get married. They become a different person. Or some people their personality was never changed. But I think personality is not the most important thing in your life, nor is biology most important thing, but we're trying to find a some sort of idea of objective truth, and that can be observed through chromosomes.

SPEAKER_01

27:39 - 28:03

I mean, I don't want to repeat myself yet. Sex, gender, I believe it. The chromosome does apply to sex, gender norms and how we view ourselves is something that's more sex and forms gender. We have another plan to make sure that you keep referring to the transgender people in sports and just in general as purves. Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves.

SPEAKER_02

28:03 - 28:06

Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves. Some are purves.

SPEAKER_01

28:07 - 28:16

All right. So I just wanted to clarify because it made it seem like you're grouping them together. There's purves. Yeah, let me be clear. Statistically, that is not the case. Right.

SPEAKER_02

28:16 - 28:29

Every single man versus who walks into a female locker room is a purve. Okay, so once again, gender, if I believe that you, or do you see, like, becoming a man just because you start taking testosterone?

SPEAKER_01

28:29 - 28:43

I start taking estrogen? If I perceive you to be a woman and you walk into my, or like, if, sorry, if I perceive you to be a man and you walk into my locker room, I don't have a problem with it, even if you were born a woman.

SPEAKER_02

28:43 - 28:59

That's amazing, you really believe that. Yes. You believe that your perception is reality. Yeah. Yeah, I believe reality is reality. We perceive reality. Well done. You measure it. Yeah. You can measure chromosomes. You don't know this.

SPEAKER_01

28:59 - 29:01

I am saying I personally want to have a problem.

SPEAKER_02

29:01 - 29:45

You understand that the rule you're saying is it's like the death of the scientific method. essentially whether you realize it or not. If perception is reality, then there is no measurement of thermodynamics. There is no measurement of absolute gravitational pull. There is no measurement. Gender, though, which is not as scientific as those things, but it happens to fall into a scientific medium. gender? Yeah, I mean, you have psychologists, you have surgeons, you have social sciences, right? You do believe it exists. What exists? Gender. Well, no, I believe that the problem that is diagnosed currently is gender. Of course, I believe the problem exists, right? But I don't believe that the category should exist in of itself.

SPEAKER_01

29:45 - 29:52

But when I bring up gender, you say that no, it's personality. But then you're also saying that it's psychologists in this time. I'm not going with this opinion.

SPEAKER_02

29:52 - 29:59

This is a growing movement. It's misdiagnosed, misattributed personality that gets put into a identification movement.

SPEAKER_01

30:01 - 30:08

So, if gender is how you identify in personalities or in a identify kid, they are the same.

SPEAKER_02

30:08 - 30:22

No, they're not. Because gender, by definition, they say you can change. Gender they say is also this important category. I'm saying that personality is somewhat of an irrelevant characteristic. They're saying my gender is everything to me.

SPEAKER_01

30:23 - 30:42

So if you if you believe that it's not important then why is it such a big deal? Exactly. Someone who is why is it such a big deal? I think it is very overinflated. The pocket is very, it's not overinflated. The problem is that that people like bathroom sports and whatnot are very, very insignificant problem.

SPEAKER_02

30:42 - 30:53

There are hundreds of school districts right now. We're men change alongside women. And their miners, hundreds. Oh, okay. Just so you're clear. Yeah, right. I can do example after example.

SPEAKER_01

30:53 - 31:10

Now in those cases are there cases of sexual assault? Yeah, but forget sexual assault. I mean, because that would be the problem, right? Like me changing next to a woman. If there's nothing bad happening, I don't see what do the women in the audience agree just like changing next to my school.

SPEAKER_02

31:10 - 31:14

Like I mean, I know you're a man.

SPEAKER_01

31:14 - 31:15

Of course you love the change. That's a woman.

SPEAKER_02

31:15 - 31:27

Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like every man's dream to like go change it in my life. But like, God made men and women different and our sexual natures are different. Sure. Right.

SPEAKER_01

31:27 - 31:41

And I think since we are different, the act of changing is not criminal or bad in any way. Well, actually, in decent exposure, is decent exposure and code? Yeah, so if in a changing room, there's no, in decent exposure.

SPEAKER_02

31:41 - 32:30

Are you usually using a micro-example? Is that okay? Like an actual example of this? The NCAA Swing Championships that involve Riley Gaines. Do you know the story? I don't know. Okay, you should know about Riley Gaines. She was going to the NCAA Championships University of Kentucky. She ended up not winning the NCAA Championship to a biological man, Thomas. She had who took fifth? And now she actually tied with him in a separate competition. You have your facts wrong. You're right. And one of those competitions she took fifth, and the other one she tied with him for the NCAA championship, and they gave it to Thomas, and they conceded the points. You better get your facts right. So secondly, but you're half right. Secondly, she had to change next to him. And all the other women were too afraid to say anything, because they didn't want to be called transphobic. And he just flayed out his genitalia and was basically taunting them.

SPEAKER_01

32:30 - 33:03

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SPEAKER_02

33:03 - 33:08

But how do you define, if the other women feel as if they're being violated, is that not a problem?

SPEAKER_01

33:08 - 33:10

Where's the violation?

SPEAKER_02

33:10 - 33:21

They're okay with other women seeing, like, I get to like, pull the, you should talk to a woman card. I mean, like, you should talk to a woman about, like, how they feel changing along other, alongside other men.

SPEAKER_01

33:22 - 33:47

you keep saying men but like let's say they've gone they are men they have a penis that is a man if the penis is gone is that a different case for your still a man because they have a place is gone okay they have x y chromosome you can't see those chromosomes they still they are still a man If I can't, if I don't see a penis, if they have, when one's hilarious, I'm about to use like, 1980's feminist talking points.

SPEAKER_02

33:47 - 34:04

They don't cease being a man. They still look at all those females as potential objects. as men look at individuals as women as sexual objects, whether you like it or not, especially young men. And you're going to just throw a man into a female locker room and act as if that's what perfectly meant it.

SPEAKER_01

34:04 - 34:08

And then always objectify women, they should just never interact with it.

SPEAKER_02

34:08 - 34:11

Yes, there should be separate locker rooms. That is absolutely right.

SPEAKER_01

34:11 - 34:20

That is called civilization. No, I'm not saying separate. I'm not saying separate. If you're saying every man, we're talking about no and vote. Just define women.

SPEAKER_02

34:20 - 34:30

They should never interact. No, you should interact. But in the most like intimate moments when I don't know, there's no clothes on those situations should be separate.

SPEAKER_01

34:30 - 34:40

I guess I personally don't feel like being nude is a super big deal. I believe all men and women have those parts. Not very good. I just want to be clear.

SPEAKER_02

34:40 - 34:49

So you would be okay with just, I would be. Okay, you'd be a full eradication of male female locker rooms. We just might as well get rid of them. I wouldn't care.

SPEAKER_01

34:49 - 34:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

34:50 - 34:56

That is a very male answer. Okay. There's a man or more likely to go streaking, more likely to, you know, all those sort of different things.

SPEAKER_01

34:56 - 35:05

However, if that was occurring, then you would have to target those people specifically. And those people wouldn't have to be trained.

SPEAKER_02

35:05 - 35:31

I just want to, I want to just end with this. We have to next question. Do you not see anything potentially unraveling with the idea of getting rid of the male female distinctions? I would repeat that. Do you not see anything troubling or anything potentially unraveling with getting rid of a very simple male female distinction that males should go change in this locker room, females should change in this locker room?

SPEAKER_01

35:31 - 35:35

If there was a problem occurring when there was mixed, then I would say that yes.

SPEAKER_02

35:35 - 37:05

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SPEAKER_04

37:05 - 37:17

Howdy. Alrighty, uh, I do not know you are going to be here today. I was not putting on doing this two hours ago. Uh, the question, the big question I got asked. As of right now, who do you think is going to win the election in November?

SPEAKER_02

37:18 - 37:31

If we're held today, Joe Biden would win. Oh, really? Yeah. Agreed. Yeah, but not by it's it's about a 50 50 shop at Biden as a side advantage. I believe Biden's going to win in a landslide. Okay. I don't think it's going to be a landslide, but anything is possible.

SPEAKER_04

37:31 - 37:48

I believe he has the overwhelming cash fundraising advantage right now. That is true. He is recently surging in the polls. His approvals are going up and Trumps are going down continuously. About six months ago Trump probably would have won, but now Biden is, but hey, it's not the elections on tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02

37:48 - 37:49

So thanks can change.

SPEAKER_04

37:49 - 37:54

Yes, I do believe they will change and Trump's multiple legal cases will only get worse for him.

SPEAKER_02

37:56 - 38:14

So I imagine you're not a fan of Trump. Is that fair to say? No, not quite. No. OK. So I'm just unprincipled. Are you comfortable or happy seeing the first time ever a former president political opponent have to stand trial for eight weeks not being able to campaign? Does that? How does that make you feel? I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_04

38:14 - 38:19

Oh, good. Yeah. If you commit a crime, you've got to face the consequences.

SPEAKER_02

38:19 - 39:31

So you don't think there's any sort of politics behind the indictment of Trump or rushing this to trial. Oh, no, no. There's no politics to resurrecting a six-year-old misdemeanor upgrading it to a felony, and just placing it on the dock at a head of murders, rapes, arson's, Rico cases. Like, you don't see any politics in this at all with Trump? Nope. Are you at all concerned that this might be set a precedent that could destroy the American legal system? How? What if Republicans start indicting Democrats soon? For what? for what? How about the organized racketeering crime of BLM when they burnt down our country during 2020? have you got any, Minneapolis hasn't recovered in a couple years. Downtown Atlanta was torched to a crisp. You heard about the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. You remember that? They really set up a sovereign country in downtown Seattle. And they said police are not welcome and two people were killed. Like other crimes, I thought the crimes of James Colmy Peter Stranger. Joe Biden should pay charge for this. Why? Well, nothing. I said Democrats. Hold on. I'll get there. Which ones name me some? How about the finance years of this? Or the how about Patrice Colors? Who's the CEO of BLM? Which elect

SPEAKER_04

39:31 - 39:33

to Democrats would be our leader.

SPEAKER_02

39:33 - 40:08

Okay, I'm happy to get there. Secondly, I'd love to see Joe Biden go to jail for treason because he is a traitor to this country. But you're not afraid at all that you're setting a precedent or do you think that Democrats don't commit crimes only Republicans commit crimes? Statistically speaking, yeah. So you're that confident that Democrats don't commit crimes and Republicans do. Don't care. We're going to throw out the entire President American history that we don't indict presidents or people becoming president and election years, just because we hate Trump that much. You're comfortable with that.

SPEAKER_04

40:08 - 40:21

I believe if the president of the United States commits felonies or several felonies in Trump's case, they should face a lot. No president is above the law. Nixon didn't say that. He was wrong.

SPEAKER_02

40:21 - 40:26

Okay. What felony do you think Donald Trump committed that such so egregious that we have to basically obliterate an election cycle?

SPEAKER_04

40:27 - 40:36

Well, where will I begin? Driving stormy Daniels, the New York fraud trial, the call to Brad Raffinsberger in 2020. That was very illegal. Hold on a second.

SPEAKER_02

40:36 - 41:55

Let's go through these one by one. The stormy Daniels thing. This is a business records case where they say that he covered up a crime. They can't tell you what crime and otherwise it would be a misdemeanor under New York State law. Alvin Bragg has downgraded 52% of all misdemeanor. All felonies, domestic minors, but he happens to go upgrade a misdemeanor for Trump to a felony. Why do you do that crime? A crime is a crime. That's your position. Yep. You've heard of the expression the more laws the less justice. elaborate that you have so many laws on the books that it hoots and ministers the laws that ends up actually being king that you commit three felonies a day and that anybody could be thrown in prison for any examples. Well again it's what examples of felonies are you being sarcastic here you probably commit internet privacy felonies almost every day almost everyone does downloading a legal music going to websites you shouldn't go to you know using next a VPN is illegal in like 20 states across the country if you use a VPN No. You never used a VPN. You never had a friend use a VPN. How about this? You ever use a log in of a Netflix or a Hulu account that's not yours? Nope. Never. You don't know a friend that's ever done that? I am a law-abiding citizen. Okay. Got it. So, you ever, you ever, J-walk? You ever run a red light? Nope. You ever, you ever not obey the speed limit?

SPEAKER_03

41:55 - 41:56

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

41:56 - 42:58

I'll go five. Hold on a second. That'll be in the speed limit. It's a misdemeanor. Oh, sorry. Throw me in prison. Exactly. So if you were running for president, and I was the district attorney of Salt Lake, and I looked into your entire life, of course, someone who's never stolen a Netflix or a whole loop pass, or someone who's never committed an internet privacy crime, someone who's never used to VPN, I highly doubt that. But where you say, I'm Scott Free, you show me the man I'll show you the crime is what the Soviets used to say. And with Donald Trump, you know, you know this. You're just putting on a stick. You know deep down that this sets a precedent. We're all the sudden. This is going to be tit-for-dat-tat. You're going to use political power to go after your opposition. And here's what's really the case. You're right. Donald Trump's poll numbers are not what they used to be. Because the Democrats have put him in a criminal trial on metaphorical house arrest where he can't campaign. That's cheating. It's election interference. Good. Good. So you think it's good that the election's being interfered with. How? He can't campaign. He has to sit for trial for eight weeks.

SPEAKER_04

42:58 - 43:01

Joe Biden. How is that election interference if he can't campaign?

SPEAKER_02

43:01 - 43:31

He's not he has to literally be he has to be in the orfering with the election itself. Hold on, campaigning as part of the election. No, it isn't. Oh, the election is the election. Hold on, you don't think the ability to go and talk to voters is part of the election? That's the campaign, which is part of the election. Voters deciding is an election, and you must be able to talk to voters that determine an election. If, for example, we said Joe Biden, you're not allowed to leave. Well, I guess we do know what happens if Joe Biden can't leave the basement. But we love that in 2020.

SPEAKER_04

43:31 - 43:34

But lowest unemployment in 60 years, baby.

SPEAKER_02

43:34 - 43:41

Yeah, but also what not inflation you have any questions about inflation inflation's going down Actually, it's going up. It's going down.

SPEAKER_04

43:41 - 43:46

It's gas prices are down. What gas prices are down inflation is down. What?

SPEAKER_02

43:46 - 44:02

See why is the Fed then raising rates if they said inflation the but the report was hotter than expected last week Here's the question how many illegals are coming across the border every day? Oh, what what how so a lot so about 10 to 15 thousand a day do you think Joe Biden all gonna vote them?

SPEAKER_04

44:04 - 44:15

You can you say that again? The illegal's? Well, illegal's. Uh, yeah, they're coming here. They're going to vote Democrat. We're going to win.

SPEAKER_02

44:15 - 44:25

So you are, you are admitting that the, so you're admitting the border is a political tactic by the Democrat party.

SPEAKER_04

44:25 - 44:26

I, I want your elaborate on that.

SPEAKER_02

44:27 - 44:41

No, you've already said what I think is going to go really viral, but yeah, so but yeah, but no, I just want to be clear. You're cool with the border at 15,000 people a day because it helps Democrats like so you care more about the Democrat party.

SPEAKER_04

44:41 - 44:50

I am being facetious there. I care because legal or illegal they are human beings and they deserve to be treated with respect and decency.

SPEAKER_02

44:51 - 45:08

Yeah, but you already told us your real beliefs now that you're back peddling and backtracking, you realize that you're on camera, which is that it is a political agenda. Joe Biden is opening the floodgates of this country because he wants to hold on to political power. We've been saying this for a long time. Proof. Proof, you just admitted it.

SPEAKER_04

45:09 - 45:10

No, I was joking.

SPEAKER_02

45:10 - 45:26

I want you to like, you're joking. You were dead serious until I reminded you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

SPEAKER_04

45:39 - 45:44

How does that relate to Biden's deliberately aligning illegal in?

SPEAKER_02

45:44 - 45:54

Is it he? What is he doing to secure the border? When you have 15,000 people a day coming across your southern border, that is not a mistake. That is an intentional act of public policy where you're allowing people into your country.

SPEAKER_04

45:56 - 46:02

Okay, but who cares who cares of more people come to America? Hold on, hold on a second.

SPEAKER_02

46:02 - 46:33

You just said the laws the law of crime is a crime for Donald Trump to go sit and prison in New York. Why is it not a crime is a crime? Let me write it into the United States of America. You say Donald Trump should go sit in a courthouse in New York because he filled out documents incorrectly, but someone comes across a Sunday morning in drugs or sex trafficking girls and you say who cares? Oh, you care about its political pal. Let me explain. You are a perfect Democrat. You only care about it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04

46:33 - 46:55

Let me explain. Let me explain. I believe That the overwhelming majority of illegals, I believe the law. Now the immigration process in America is very difficult. I believe that a lot of illegals and practical sense shouldn't be illegal and the law should be changed. Meanwhile, the laws impacting Trump should not be changed. They shouldn't be illegal.

SPEAKER_02

46:57 - 47:12

So you want to change the laws that fit your political agenda, but not change the laws that don't fit your political agenda. Got it. Yeah, so true, Vesty. Yeah, but the question is, do you believe in borders?

SPEAKER_04

47:12 - 47:18

I believe that. No, no borders enough. One world government.

SPEAKER_02

47:20 - 48:12

And final pitch for Joe Biden. No borders, lots of war, more spying and bankrupt the country. He's still going to win. You might be right, but he might not win by actually winning on the issues that build consensus American people. He might win a abortion. Hold on a second. He might win on brute political force. And you've acknowledged that with a smirk in a smile. You might be right. Okay, I was throwing a game. Hold on a second. You know, go up previously. Hold on. If he backpedals any further, he's just gonna fall over. You acknowledge with a smirk in a smile, that's fine, because this is the consensus of the Democratic elite. We're gonna win, because we're gonna put our opposition in jail. We're gonna win, because we controlled instruments to justice. You guys might win an election, but that will be the death of America if that is the case. So true.

SPEAKER_04

48:12 - 48:17

Thank you. All right, that's one last thing. No, you're done. Wait, no, you're done.

SPEAKER_02

48:19 - 48:24

Thanks so much for listening. Everybody email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.