Transcript for #1323 - Andy Ngo

My pleasure. How you doing, man? You're all healed up.

What happened from what?

So from getting hit in the head, you got a brain hemorrhage multiple times.

But so how do you know you had brain hemorrhage in how you will just walk around?

Did they not know that you had been beaten up? Well, let's let's let's set this up for people who are new to this and don't understand what happened. I've been aware of you because of you had written for Quillette, right? And you had become one of these for whatever reason, controversial online journalists, and you covered Antifa quite a bit, and you covered a lot of the radical left. You were in Portland. And what was the exact rally that was going on? What was it called? Did it have a name?

And what are the protecting Portland from?

Fascists. But just in general, I mean, is there a particular thing they're worried about?

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Yeah, they were directing traffic, exactly. And somehow or another, the mayor thought it was a good idea to let this take place is that the case and they told the police to stand down, is that true?

Okay, so this is why this has exacerbated or this is why this is becomes such a big deal in Portland because of this attitude because Portland seems to be the hotbed right now for this kind of stuff. Is that is that fair to say? I think it is. So is this the mayor who is who's the one who's giving the orders to the police to tell them to allow this stuff to take place?

Yeah. How does that work?

Yeah. Yeah, shitload. How did you get involved in this? Like, why, first of all, why would they angry you?

Yeah, I saw that video.

It's very confusing because when you watch the videos, they're just amazing people. They're amazing people who disagree with them like they're yelling at each other and then someone will come along and make people. And for the police to not step in and do something, I don't think there's another city in the country that would allow something like that. It just doesn't seem like it makes any sense at all because you're not talking about people that are being physically attacked and that are facing someone to protect themselves or even a threat of being physically attacked. They're just disagreeing with each other and yelling at each other and then someone will come along and start facing people. And I've seen in many times And I think there's also a real problem with people wearing masks. Whether their ideology makes sense or not, when you put people in masks and then you have a bunch of people yelling and escalating and then there's teams, there's team and team versus team, anybody opposing them, they feel is a white supremacist or a Nazi. And this is just how they've chosen to frame it to dehumanize people. And then you see them attack people. I'm sure you're aware of the girl who got maced in the face because she had a hat on that said make Bitcoin great again. But it was the same color hat as the make America great again hat and she got amazed in the face and she got hit with something too, right? Didn't she get hit in the face with something? Anyway, this kind of shit is really weird It's really weird and disturbing to see these young people with these idealistic versions of what they're doing. I think a lot of the people that are involved in that really think they are fighting fascism. They really do. They really think that Donald Trump and the proud boys and white supremacists from Charlottesville, carrying teaky torches that these people represent something horrible that's sweeping across the country and the young people today need to stand up and fight against this and they're putting on masks and carrying backpacks and whacking people in the head with crowbars is really fucking weird to see and it's really weird that the city of Portland or all cities in fact haven't made some sort of a law where you can't walk around in public with a fucking mask on because that is one of the things that helps these people. It's the same thing that you see on social media when people are anonymous and they say the most horrible, hateful shit. They're saying that because they're not in front of you, you can't recognize them. They don't have to take responsibility for what they're saying. This is a lot of the same characteristics that a person has when they're wearing a costume. You're dressed in all black gloves on in a face mask and you're hitting people with a bike lock. Like what is that about? Well, what that's about is you're getting away with being anonymous and you're getting support from all these other people around you. There's this mob mentality that takes place. It's well documented with humans, where when you get a group of people together and there's another group and it's like it's a tribal warfare type situation. And that's what you're seeing with Antifa and the fact that The Portland police have, I don't know what's going on with them, whether they've been told to not handle that, but the fact they haven't done anything to mitigate this is fucking, it's embarrassing. It's a shame. It's terrible. It really is. It's a travesty.

Is this mayor popular?

Why, why are they mad at you? Is it just the articles you've written? Because somebody told me that you had been accused of doxing people. Is that true?

We should just explain to people James Tamor's the author of the Google memo that was talking about women in tech that was wildly misrepresented what he had said and people had claimed that he was this awful sexist even the CEO of YouTube said that he enforced harmful gender stereotypes where while he was citing evolutionary psychology and the citing all these different studies on why women gravitate towards particular fields and even a page and a half encouraging or strategy strategies to encourage more women to get an attack. But it was basically in response to things that Google had written about dealing with the lack of women in tech. What is the problem here? For a very particular answer, which was sexism, and he was saying, well, it actually has more to do with the choices that women sort of naturally tend to gravitate towards. And he was saying that there was a way to possibly encourage women to get into technology. And he devised these strategies to do so. But was wildly misrepresented. And if you meet the guy and I've had him on the podcast, he is a soft spoken. Sweetheart of a guy is not a misogynist, not a mean-spirited person. He was merely looking at the results of studies and he was looking at real raw data and this real tendency that certain people have to gravitate towards certain positions in life.

So that's basically it. Other than you writing these stories criticizing their behavior, what's disturbing to me, beyond disturbing, was legitimate journalists that were making excuses for why you got beat up. And people saying things like, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I saw stuff like that. That pick up better hobby. I saw a guy write that. You know, anti-fascists will rule, you know, Portland's not your place. I saw all this crazy shit from people with blue check marks that we're saying that this is what happens when you support fascism. And I was so baffled by this. Like, I read some of your stuff. I haven't read all of it admittedly. But I've read some of your stuff. None of it came off as you supporting fascism. It came off as you maybe at the worst case in Arabian and contrarian and not wanting to go with this sort of left-wing ideology that is so widespread throughout the Pacific Northwest. But I didn't see any, I mean, first of all. You're not a white guy, which should be explained to people. You are Vietnamese, and you know, you're what they would consider a member of a protected class. You're not just a minority. You're openly gay. You're what do you consider yourself politically? This episode is brought to you by Crash Champions. There's nothing worse than being overwhelmed by an unexpected car accident and not knowing what to do next. But as bad as a situation like that might be, Crash Champions is here to answer the call turning your bad day around with trusted collision repair. They'll save the day by getting your vehicle back on the road quickly, safely, and looking like the accident never happened. Next time, a wreck ruins your life, remember to trust Crash Champions. They will answer the call and make it right. Ask your auto insurance company about Crash Champions, visit CrashChampions.com to find a location near you. This episode is brought to you by Moan. Homes are a big investment. You want to protect them from fires, break-ins, and especially water. Water damage is a lot more frequent. And something is small as a leaky pipe can lead to big problems down the road. And it can also be hard to detect. since you know most pipes are hidden behind a wall. That's why you guys need the mowing smart water monitor and shut off. It's a device that can automatically shut down your home's water when a leak is detected and it also works 24-7 monitoring and tracking your home even when you're not there. It'll alert you through the app at the first sign of a leak, providing ultimate peace of mind and security. Learn more and buy the moan smart water monitor and shut off at moan.com slash flow. And right now, use the code Rogan to get 5% off free shipping and a free leak detector. That's code Rogan at m-o-e-n.com slash f-l-o. Automatic shut off in real time alert capabilities will operate when the device is configured with the proper settings.

Well, the worst thing is the way they're labeled quillette. They were said, you work for far right of newspaper magazine quillette, which is not the case at all.

Well, exactly. Because even though you see like a very nice person, you won't do anything violent. you you're supporting the wrong thing or not supporting them not supporting not just blindly supporting what antifism involved with which is what I mean that is what fascism is mean if you you can't even question some of the more heinous things that make clearly heinous things they're doing just fucking mason people in the audience Macing people in the crowd, just pointing it out people, yelling and screaming, hitting each other with things when you're wearing masks, getting involved in these brawls. It's so fucking stupid. It's so stupid to watch. It's like this is base human behavior and it's worst example. And the fact that this dumbass fucking mayor thinks that this is a good idea, to let this play itself out. This is how people get shot. This is how people die. When you allow a certain amount of violence and when you can don't or don't do anything with violence that you can't defend like violence against a person like yourself, I saw those guys hitting you in the back of the head, throwing milk shakes you with your truck, just trying to walk away. You weren't doing anything.

So, what started it? What was the, why did you get hit?

So, the Vietnamese white supremacists is that possible.

You find those more concerning or more.

Well, they're also calling Jewish people Nazis.

I think it's like, uh, top gloves or tactical gloves. Yeah.

before doing after. So this happens out of nowhere. You get blinds out of the back of the head. A bunch of people punch you. How many times do you think you got hit?

The fact that people dismissed this is not being a big deal is really horrific to me. The fact that the people that are in Antifa that are nonviolent folks, which I think I'm glad you brought that up because I was going to bring that up, that it's the extreme of the extremists, right? It's the people that think that that there's a call for violence and that there's a reason to do it and even someone like yourself that is a nonviolent person that's just there as a journalist that there is a justification for just just for whatever reason you want just go up to that person and start hitting them even though they're not a threat even though they're not doing anything to harm anybody even though they're not putting anybody in danger they're they're just being a journalist and you feel like you could justify hitting them it's really disgusting and it's disgusting I mean there was this thing with vox where Carlos Mesa was minimizing the the impact of antifa and kind of joking around about it and making it seem like it's just no big deal and He got really upset because Stephen Crowder was making fun of the fact that he's gay and the fact that he talks with a lisp and that Crowder mentioned that along with mocking his stance on antifa and then it became this gigantic thing that Stephen Crowder's gay basher But what didn't become a big deal is that this guy is minimizing violent fascists. And that's what I mean, that's how I feel about this. When you're trying to enforce your own ideology on other people and you have no tolerance for anybody with a different opinion, particularly journalists, that is fascism. It's so ironic to call yourself an antifascist when you're literally enforcing your own particular ideology to the point of violence and you're wearing masks and you're running around hitting people and pretending that you're being inundated with Nazis and white supremacists and that this is all necessary. Like that old man that was just driving and they're directing traffic and forcing him to obey them. And then when he doesn't want to, they chase after him and assault him. It's fucking bananas. And the fact that this city has not stepped in and recognized that they have a real problem because this has got momentum behind it. And the people that are involved that are non-violent, you gotta speak up. They've gotta speak up. If you're a person that really believes that there shouldn't be homophobia and there shouldn't be violence and there shouldn't be white supremacy, good for you. You probably got involved in this for all the right reasons. But if you don't recognize that someone like you, yourself, Who is? a person of a different ethnicity, you're not a white person, you're Vietnamese, you're a gay man, and you got assaulted for no reason, you didn't do anything. It's almost like a test of where do your values truly lie? And if you think it's okay for a person like you to just get assaulted for no reason, you are the problem. You're the problem. Your mindset is the problem. It's not whether or not there should be white supremacy, of course there should be. It's not whether or not there shouldn't be people be able to freely express themselves. Of course there should be. That is not what the issue is. What the issue is is group mob mentality. When you get people together and you let them wear masks and you tell them that they're fighting against some evil and then they feel justified in hitting a person like you. It is really sickening, and there's this diffusion of responsibility thing that happens when one person hits you, and everybody feels like it's okay to hit you. It's a mob mentality thing, and it's extremely common with human beings. I've been in mob situations, it's terrifying, because you feel it in the air. You feel the chaos in the air when you're in some sort of a large-scale, brawl type situation like anything can happen. People just run up on people and start punching them. It's not like two people alone in an open area where they can talk and work things out. No, it's chaos. And there's some weird animal activity. There's some weird animal instinct aspect to it that is very unique to humans. And when you see something like this and see a guy like you just getting pepper with milkshakes and punched in the head and it's fucking disturbing. And for these people to dismiss that and not stand out, not stand up and say, hey, this is not what we're supposed to be about. This is not what I signed up for. They become a part of the problem. I'm sure these people listen to this that are upset at this. because maybe you support Antifa. You support their ideology. Think about what you actually support. Think about what this is really all about. What you shouldn't be supporting is people wearing masks, running around fucking hitting people. You ain't changing shit with that. All you're gonna do is call for more people with masks from the other side. If people feel like right-wing people or being attacked, and I don't think you're even right-wing, are you? I mean, what are you? If you got a gun to your head or a mace to your face, What would you, do you see a centrist?

Centaurate, okay. Which is fine. It should be okay. I mean, we should be allowed to have disagreements of ideologies and of political persuasions. Political but this is it's twisted and it's twisted the way it's being depicted in the media it's very strange how it's being dismissed it's very strange and that there's really people in 2019 debating whether or not it's okay to assault journalists It's fucking madness.

When they had you on to speak, what was their attitude about all this?

So you think they were respectful and fair? Did it bother you that people at Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon had openly supported Antifa?

Do you think this is because Trump is president? Because so many people oppose Trump as president. The idea of far left militancy is in opposition to what they oppose. So they feel like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It's exactly what it is, I think. it what Eric Weinstein had a great point about this and he said the one of the real issues is the cowards of the left and the cowards of the right that are allowing the extremists to do the work for them so when people see someone like the proud boys running around attacking people even the proud boys you have to realize that they started off as a joke like when Gavin McGinn has first came up with the idea of the proud boys it was it was literally a joke And it became an actual organization for fun. And then people joined it that didn't think it was a joke. And then people joined it and started taking it in a deeper and deeper direction, and eventually disavowed himself and abandon the group. You see the same thing with Antifa. I bet the idea initially was, hey, we see these Torch carrying assholes in Charlottesville. We see that guy with a car ran over the girl who was a protester and killed her. Like, this fucking shit has got to stop. So we have to organize. We have to do something. And then what happens? You get people in masks and you get people justified. And then you get people that support those people and then you get the extremists. And the extremists who are not disavowed, who are not There's no one speaking out against them from the left. There's no one saying, hey, this shit has got to stop because they want them to do their dirty work for them. They want them to push the envelope and push the agenda and get their ideology moving in the right direction. Even if it's done through methods that they don't agree with. And that's where it gets horrible because I see these people that are involved in this and I know for a fact just by watching them move and interact with each other. They don't understand violence. They don't. They're not good at it. They don't understand it. This is like role play. It's like cosplay. And you're going to call for, you're going to get real violence in return. And from people who actually know how to do it. And if you look at violence from the left and violence for the right, violence from the right scares me a whole lot more. They're a lot more armed. It's their more dangerous human beings in general. And I think that if this keeps happening and people from the right feel threatened and their lifestyle feels threatened and their ideologies feel threatened, you're going to get people meeting at these things and it's going to be more than just people throwing mace and milkshake said each other. It's going to be people showing up ready for actual combat. That's fucking terrifying. It's fucking terrifying. And this idea that you could just run around hitting people and not have any consequences. This is like the way a child looks at violence. This is what bothers me so much. If you are, if you looked at their core tenants of what they want to do and if they wanted to accomplish that through political negotiation and through conversation and rallies and speeches, fine, that's fine. But we have people wearing masks hitting and masing people. You've crossed the line into the land of no return and you've called out to people who oppose you. You've challenged them to come and do the same. And this is how violence begots greater violence. It's fucking dangerous. It's really dangerous. Violence does not exist in a vacuum. You can't just have a little bit of violence and then there's no repercussions. People react to that. There's people that watch those videos and watch you get punched and there is no justification for that. When you see someone like yourself who's a small person, slight and stature, not violent in any way, and you're not even swinging back, you're just taking it and trying to protect yourself. people get infuriated by that. And there's people right now, I guarantee you who saw that video who were thinking, what I would do if I was there, I'd fucking shoot off. Or I'd beat them all the deathwood baseball bats, or I'd run them over with my car, or I'd do things. And the unhinged amongst the right who feel like this is an opposition of their ideology, they're going to show up some debt. And when that happens, people are going to die. This is a fucking terrible, and this is where the mayor and the police, and they have not done their job. And I believe the police, when they say that they've been handcuffed, and maybe the mayor just didn't have an idea of where this was all go. But now you do. I'm going to let you in on a secret. If you want to be more confident, you have to start taking care of yourself. And a great way to do that is use Dr. Squatch, especially with their new private hygiene products. They were designed to help you look and feel fresh all over.

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I got a better idea. How about not you can't wear a mask in public at these events? Because you can't say you can't wear a mask while committing a crime. You're wearing a mask. How do you who the fuck do you know committed the crime? Unless you take the mask off then you can't even identify him. It's stupid. Do you can't wear a mask?

He hasn't decided if he supported whether or not should be illegal to wear a mask or your committing a crime. Correct. That's hilarious.

these thoughts go on the street and imagine it was the case if they were doing that we are about far right militancy imagine there are far right people who were doing this and committing violence and the government was just like well you know i'm not sure if they shouldn't be allowed to wear masks while they commit crimes people would be freaking the fuck out It's the weird justification of this stuff that's so disturbing. I just don't, and I fucking love Portland. It's one of my favorite places. It's great. The city's great. I mean, it's fucking cool people. It's not all of them that are involved in this. It is a very small number, and even amongst the small number, it's the very small number of them that are radical that are violent. When you look at the people that are attacking you, not to minimize it, but it's very few. You look at that video. It's a couple people out of thousands of people that are in that group. There's a few people that are attacking. There's about a dozen. Was it really? Yes. Okay. If you count throwing milkshakes, but actually hitting you, how many people you think hit you? Not sure. Three, four, maybe? Something like that? Okay. That's the problem. The problem is these fucking assholes. It's not the people that disagree with you. It's the people that think you should be able to throw milkshakes at people. And guys like Carlos Mesa who don't think it's a big deal to throw milkshakes at people. It's a fucking big deal. It's a big deal because it calls for a response. This is why it's a big deal. And people don't understand a salt. They don't understand violence. You can't just do that. You live in some comic book world. There's some fucking Disney show world where you can just throw a milkshake at someone they don't do anything. They're gonna turn around and punch you in your fucking face and then what happens? Well, you might fall and hit your head and die because that's real. That's the real world we live in. Or you might cause a giant brawl because people don't want to be hit with milkshakes. or there's enough of you where you think you can get away with it. So you're an awful bully and you're throwing milkshakes at someone because you don't like what they stand for. And you're meeting in a public place and you're disagreeing about something. So to write this disagreement, you're insulting people.

It's so scary because it's so dumb. It's not just scary because like you watching what happened to you, scary because, you know, and watching that old man going to hit in the head with a crowbar, it's fucking horrific. All that stuff's horrific. And apparently that guy had pulled out some sort of a rod and was swinging at people before. He got hit with a crowbar. I do not know. But I do know when you start hitting people in the head with crowbar, that is the beginning of the end. horrible, horrible shit happens in response to that and it hasn't yet but this is 10 days ago who knows what's going to happen if there's another one of these rallies and you get people from the far right who organized this is when the proud boys really radicalize they radicalize to go against antifa they were attacked they attacked them and then it became this fucking shit show that you're seeing right now

Who was the men's rights guy? It was actually a woman. A woman who's a men's rights person? Yes. That's hilarious. She must love Dick. All right, if you had a guess, he'll call me. Sorry, I'm a comedian. Yeah, I can help, but you don't even have to say our name. So she, she, she organized this thing.

Because I mean, what, what, what, the, the, the explain what you mean by being a provocative.

Well I think again it's a small percentage of people that find it this justification and you look at the number of people that were there what is it thousands thousands of people how many people actually engage in violence

The cowards, the cowards who don't disavow this horrific action.

Yeah, it's become a game. It's become a game, it's become a gigantic team war. There's our team versus their team. It's literally like playing a childhood game. It's really disturbing, man. And so since this has anyone from Antifa apologized about what happened to you or disavow the actions of these few extreme violent people?

For a quote, I'm quoting if you disagree inside the organization. Yes. So how organized are this?

Well, that's an obvious one. Considering the fact that this all became a thing after Trump was elected. Yes. With the DOJ did step in, what do you think they could do? So that's, well, I mean, do you believe in the ability to meet up and express yourself publicly and the ability to protest and the ability to just get together and have groups and express yourself?

When you say the violence is a feature of their movement. Is there, is there, does they have anything written like the tenants of their movement where they say that violence is acceptable?

This professor can explain what he says.

Yeah. It is a problem, right? Yes. Because it seems like that's definitely something you should oppose. But what is the actual definition of fascism? Fascism as a far-right political ideology from what I understand is close to definition, Jamie, so we can just read what fascism, what the actual word fascism means. Here, form of radical right-wing authoritarian, authoritarian, ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forceable suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society, end of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th century Europe. Forcible suppression of, put it back up please, forcible suppression of opposition is what they're doing. Yes, strong regimentation of society. I mean, they're literally telling people how to behave and what they will tolerate. I know it's not right wing ideology, but it's almost like fascism. And I'm sure there's other definitions of fascism. The idea of supporting someone who opposes fascism sounds wonderful. Sounds great. Let's stop fascism. But are we really experiencing authoritarian, ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power in this country? I mean, is that fair thing to say? I know people don't like Donald Trump. I know people don't like right-wing ideologies running this country. I understand that. But this is not what's happening.

They want to see destruction of the nation state for what purpose? They want anarchy?

So there are political anarchists, social anarchists. They don't want borders. They don't want nations. They don't want police. What do they want? I mean, what do they expect? What's the ultimate goal?

The previous mayor was, what was his political persuasion? Or her? I don't even know.

It's just, it's interesting to see a city that's gone so far off the rails like Portland in this regard with this issue. Now when you see this in action and what the consequences are and how it happens and particularly for a person like you, you physically see it, you personally see it. Are you going to continue to do these things?

There was a photograph of someone they released.

What about you attending this with security? Have you thought about doing that?

Gorillas, big giant dudes, would they wear like armor? Like what would you have? How far would you take this?

I don't think you should go to those things anymore. I mean, it seems like you've been, I mean, it is part of your job, your journalist. But it seems like you've been singled out and targeted and it seems like they don't have any problem justifying attacking you and assaulting you. If I was going to go, I'd bring the biggest baddest dudes that I could find. And a bunch of them have them surround you and have them protect you.

I think it's America. It's this one particular area and this one particular group and not even the group. I think it's the most ridiculous people in that group. I don't think it's most, I think most of these people that probably are a part of this really don't want fascists. and they really don't want some awful right ring to Tyler Terian regime running this country and in marginalized people of color gay people and immigrants and all those things that I support 100% I'm left wing I mean I would be on their side ideologically about a lot of things It's the implementation of it that I have the biggest problem with. It's the group mentality. It's the wearing the masks, the salts. It's the not understanding the consequences of violence, all these things. This is what I have a problem with. The way the mayor allows this to take place, the way handcuffs the police. That is what I have a problem with. It's not that they don't want horrible people running the government and running the world. I understand that. That makes sense.

Those are the points that are hidden. Right.

I think that's what's important about your work. That's what's important about these discussions. That's what's important about people getting the word understanding what this really means. not what it seems on paper. It's like we're the anti-nazi movement. Well, who the fuck could go against that? Of course you're anti-nazi. That's no, everybody should be. That's what it seems like. Well, we're anti-fascist. Good. We don't want fascists. I think that's what Chris Cuomo was saying. I think that's what Don Lemon was saying. I think they're too busy. I don't think they're really investigating this. I don't think they're deep diving and understanding the ideology at its core the way you're describing it. And whoever that professor wasn't, you were discussing that is somehow another condoning violence that is ridiculous. Anyone who considers themselves an intellectual, who condones violence, all this punch and Nazi stuff, God dammit, you don't understand violence. You don't know what you're talking about. You don't understand the human condition because if you if you understood violence, it's the last thing you would ever be calling for.

What do you think is going on with media that is supporting this attack on you? Because I've seen so many journalists dismiss this as being not a big deal. Why do you think that anybody would look at something like that or someone's being beaten publicly and not think it's a big deal? What do you think is behind that?

It's really absurd. And it's obscene. When is the next one of these things supposed to take place?

Are you gonna go?

You should go and get a potmobile. Let them throw milkshakes at the potmobile. Get a big old fish tank put some wheels on it. How's some giant dude to push you around? I'm joking around about it, obviously, to try to make light. But do you really think you're going to go?

May? Yes. And then you were assaulted again in June. Yeah. Yeah. So, and you can continue to receive threats. Um, is this necessary to go to these things to cover them? Do you think that is part of the problem with people that like Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo who were talking about this? We haven't actually been there. They really don't understand it and maybe you do because you're covering it with boots on the ground.

How many of the people that are involved in antifa do you think really understand that they're trying to dismantle the government. Really understand that they want the state to absolve.

There's a real concern amongst some people that were entering a phase of this country where there's a real possibility of having some sort of a civil unrest civil war. When you see something like these Portland events, when you see this kind of chaos, do you think that that's a valid concern?

It's my real concern as well. And you think this is particularly unique to Portland in the way they're treating and addressing it.

and force the law, right? So you mentioned lawsuits. What lawsuits are you pursuing?

All right, and in closing, because I know you're going to go that here. Is there a silver lining to any of this? I mean, do you think that perhaps your assault and the fact that the police didn't intervene is actually allowing people to understand the real significance of this, the real problem of this, that this is a real issue, a gigantic one in fact that goes against the core tenants, the value of a free expression and the ability to gather and communicate safely in public.

If you had a crystal ball and you were looking at the future, what do you think you'd say?

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