Transcript for #1497 - Joe Schilling

What's that brother? We're going we're rolling rolling so I've been talking about you a lot lately. I appreciate that. You know I love you. But it's also your Instagram page has become a highlight of police brutality and I know you take a lot of shit for it, but I think it's very important and we were just talking about this. I think it's important not just for the people, but I think it's important for the police. I think it's important for police reform. I think they need to see like this is this is what happens when you have shitty people doing this very fucking difficult job and you got a lot of them.

I do know what you mean. I was talking about this the other day with Koli on the war and we were saying that it's a job that is almost impossible to do for the average person. You need to be like a fucking Navy seal. You need to be like a person who's gone through some rigorous training and a person who really understands how to diffuse situations. You need to be a person who knows how to keep your shit together. A person who knows how to respect people. They need a lot more training. Jocco Winlink was talking about that. He said, I think they should have 20% training. They train for like You know, a couple of weeks.

And then it's over. And then they're out there in the field. He goes, I think, 20% of their time should be spent training.

There's a lot of shit going on there. First of all, there's private prisons. Then there's drug laws. Those are the two big ones. You want to find out why the fucking prisons are filled up with people. Those are two big ones right there. How many people are in jail for shit? They should never be in jail for decisions that other people make with their own body that doesn't harm anybody other than themselves. You could buy alcohol, but you can't buy coke. You can't buy weed. You can't buy nonviolent drug offenses is a giant percentage of the population.

Not only that. It's insane. In jail for something that's now in a central. Like it's a central thing that you can do during COVID. Like when everything was locked down, you could still buy weed. nuts. It's crazy.

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It's nuts. It's nuts. It's people that shouldn't be cops and it's too easy to be a cop. It's too easy and they don't get paid enough You know, they don't get trained well enough And this deep funding the police shit is the wrong way to handle I know they think it's the right way to handle it. Yeah, we're just these cops are bad. We just take away all the money Oh my god, you're going to create fucking chaos.

We're just trying to scare people.

And we're showing you some shit that John Joseph sent me. My buddy, John Joseph from the Crow Mags. He's This is a show that people who have different points of view can be good friends because he's a good friend of mine. He wrote a book called Meeters for Pussies. So there you go, folks. We can all get along. We really can't. You fucking idiots. Anyway, he sent me some shit. His friend is he's working homicide in Harlem and 21 people got shot the other day. because nobody wants to be a cop there anymore. So it's fucking madness. Like he said, it is madness in New York City. Like literally God damn it, where can I find it? Like nobody wants to do the fucking job. He's like, it's crazy down there.

That's good point too. You know what I mean? Like, why did you have the job? All right, look at this. This is all the fucking people that got shot the other night. That's one day. This is what that's what happens when there's no cops. Well, there's no cops and no one's policing anything. People just go ham. I mean, that's what you saw in Santa Monica. Santa Monica is as white as wonderbred, right? And it was crazy during the looting. I mean, crazy. The cops were told to stand down. They were told to stand around and watch. So the whole thing of, you know, hey, you need the cops. When you call them, you need them. When shit goes crazy, the cops are there for you. Not that time. The sheriff actually told them to not do anything. So people were smashing windows and stealing things. They're standing around and there's serious videos of this one guy running around the street, pointing guns at people, cars smashing into each other. It's like a movie.

I think they thought that people were going to burn all this anger out the George Floyd anger and that somehow another like let them do it and then we'll clean up the mass. It's just incompetent policing. It's incompetent leadership.

Well, this is a liberal progressive perspective. This is something that they've tried in a bunch of different cities. They also, the Blasio did the same thing in New York City. The cops were literally told to stand down. And their cops are standing there. And they're doing nothing while people are just fucking videos. The videos from New York City are the nuttyists because people are filming them from their apartments. So they're looking down on the street while cars are running people over. And people are smashing the windows and running in and stealing stuff. All these kids just want free shit. Nothing to do with Black Lives for the most part. A lot of them are just opportunists looking for stealing and then also caught up in the chaos of the smashing windows and stealing stuff and then the cops aren't doing anything in their young and they've been out of work for three fucking months and everybody's broke. It's just so many factors compounded together but Julianne was actually on Fox News talking about there's a particular political perspective on how to deal with looting and riots in these particular situations and the idea is to let burn out, let these people burn it out of their system, but that it doesn't work. He's like this is an outdated style of policing that they figured out doesn't work in like the 60s and 70s, but there's a lot of progressive people that are in positions of leadership that still think it's a good idea.

Well, nobody knows really what the fuck to do when everything goes haywire. It's like theories. Like, what do you do? Well, you better protect lives, but don't worry about property, because everything's gone nuts. And then the other perspective is sending the fucking national garden, everybody's like, don't do that. That's the military. So I don't know what the correct perspective is. And thank God, I'm not a fucking governor or a mayor. That's where you know things are fucked. Someone like me ever gets to a position like that.

You would say that, but one of the most egregious videos of police brutality was the National Guard in Minnesota, where those girls were on their porch. I don't know if you saw that one. And they're what these National Guard dickheads are walking on the street like, good and side, good and side. And they go light them up. And they're shooting rubber bullets at these fucking girls in their house. They're on their porch. And these girls got hit. It's insane. And she's like, oh fuck, and she's like inside her house. And then a bunch of people have lost eyes. There's a bunch of people lost eyes on this.

Yeah, multiple people have lost their eyes. Journalists have lost their eyes.

I saw it. I mean it explodes in his face Yeah, who knows what happened to that guy? You know? But it's, yeah, that is not serving or protecting. It's neither of those things. On any level. On any level. And, you know, I get it, man. Look, there's a fucking video. We want to talk about the other perspective. There's a video. Go to Hector Lombard's Instagram. There's a video. I mean, this is where it gets really squirrely. Because there's this dumb white guy who's in the face of this black cop. The black cops don't do anything. He's doing his job. And this guy's calling him a bitch. He's calling him all these terrible names. He's interest rates. This scrawny ass man bun wearing dickhead is in this cop's face. Like what happened to black lives matter? Like if this is black lives matter, this is a black guy. Like what are you doing? He's not even doing anything, man. He's standing there trying to keep the peace and you were fucking with him and inciting him. It's people, man. It's people. People, there's a lot of us suck. And in pressure situations, a lot of a suck. And these cops that you're seeing that are doing these horrible things, they're just fucking people, man. And if you give a person that insane power to mace a guy in the face, then shoot him in the head with a fucking tear gas canister, that guy's got to be a held accountable. And you got to make sure that never fucking happens again. And if that video should be used for trading purposes.

They feel like they can't do anything because those people protect them. If they're in the middle of a fucking shootout, they don't want to be the guy that doesn't get back up because you ran out of the guy that shot the guy with the tear canister.

Yeah, we shouldn't. We definitely shouldn't say it's okay. They need reform. There's no question about it. Anybody who says they don't need reform needs to go to the Joe Shelling's Instagram page. And for real, the other one is question. That fucking old man that gets pushed down and cracks his fucking head. And then those guys in solidarity quit and walk off the job.

Yeah, you can't push an old guy to the ground and he cracks his head open and you walk away. I don't know what that old guy said to them. I mean, he's apparently an old hippie that's like been a peace activist forever. And you know, he's like 80 something years old or something like that. He's really old man. Like when that 70 something years old, do you remember? 75. When he gets pushed back, you could see he's feeble. He falls, he has no control over his body, and bangs his fucking head off the concrete, and they just leave him there, man. They just leave him there. No one's doing CPR. No one's calling him medic. No one's checking him. No one's holding his hand. No one's doing a goddamn thing. Like, you just watching a salt. You're watching a salt on an old man.

must be crazy. If you're day in day out, seeing gunshots and fucking suicides and car accidents and stabings and rape and all day long you're seeing the worst aspects of humanity that your mind gets fucked. I've talked to a lot of cops that are good guys and they'll tell you like the job is hard man like there's days where you literally you would you think about taking your own life so you don't have to see anything anymore. They say that. I've heard that from cops. And these are not cops that are abusive. They're cops that are just like, man, I'm telling you. It's like you get overwhelmed. Like you can only walk up on so many suicides. So many shotgun wounds to the face. You can only walk up on so many of those and keep your sanity. And, you know, the other thing that Jaco Willink was saying was that it's the same thing in the teams, like psychologically, some people can handle anything. And some people did not handle anything. Some people just wanted two things and they're off tilt. They just can't. Oh, for sure. But some people, they can go back home to the family and be a good dad and be a good husband and be a good neighbor and be a good person and just absorb it and just, you know, go, well, you know, it's horrible, but hey, that's life.

No, we can't.

Yes. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, that's a real good point. Yeah, I mean, it's like basically every job, you know. It's just some jobs have much higher consequences and cops, it's like the highest. It's one of the highest. Cops, soldiers, a few with the highest consequences of your mistakes.

Very little.

That woman, what is her name, Brianna Taylor? Is that her name? The woman who got shot in her home. And then they, they, they, no knock warrant kicked down the wrong door.

Right. And he's saying, I mean, they have this guy cuffed in a fucking jumpsuit, going jail. It's crazy. And the cop who did that, only got fired. That's it.

And just now, just now got fired, by the way, that happened quite a while ago.

Don't reach back. The guy can't be losing his pants because he's never belt on. He's crying. He's like, please, please. And they just fucking gun him down while he's belly down.

that old man that I posted yesterday they bought he slammed it you know it's just I don't know if you saw the one where the guy who got pulled over going five miles an hour over the speed limit and the officer threatened to pepper spray him because he's filming oh yeah see that one yeah There's a lot of him in.

What's definitely not okay to behave like that because they escalate way before it becomes a real thing. There's nothing going on. You pulling a guy over. It's one thing if you're pulling a guy over in his windows or all blacked out and he won't, he's not complying, he's not rolling down his window. You should get sketched out.

It's, but then, you know, it's just, there needs to be solutions. All this complaining about it is great. It's good. I really think what you're doing is very good because it, and I think the cops should think it too. They really should, man, because it should highlight the need for reform and highlight the need for education and highlight the need for better training and better funding. You want better people, you got to pay them. You can't have billboards up to say earn $50,000 a year. Have a great gig. That's not the people you want, man. You want it to be difficult to be a cop.

Yeah, I have a buddy of mine and he has this dude who was his trainer. They kept trying to be a cop. The guy was fucking insane fucking insane. He would tell him in the middle of training. Jesus doesn't want you doing that right now. Jesus wants you doing something different. And he'd be like, what? He's like, Jesus wants you doing squats today. I just got a trust in the Lord, man. Today it squats. He's like, what the fuck are you saying? He's like, he was wrong. Like something's off in his head, right? And he just kept saying that, yeah, long beach turned me down. So, you know, I'm gonna try for the past dinner, please department. Like this guy was mentally unstable and he kept trying to become a cop. Now, if one police Department was light on people and they needed that guy and they gave that guy a gun and let that guy pull people over and Jesus tells him to shoot somebody.

Atlanta's all the police officers are not responding.

That's crazy.

It's real. No offense or butts about it. And it's just a poor management. It's a poor management decision to run the police departments that way, to have them that underfunded, to have them that poorly represented. Because I know there's good cops out there. I've met them. I know good guys that are cops.

I train, I train, I train cops.

Still get pulled over by him. Yeah, yeah. We're in a crisis in this country in many ways. And Jaco was talking about this, that it's a leadership crisis. It's all from the top down. And it's a leadership when it comes to the president, leadership crisis, governors, mayors, sheriffs, and then the cops themselves. It's a bunch of people that really don't have the character to be doing that. And look, it's a I wouldn't wish it on anybody, man. That's a tough fucking get all those gigs we just had been a governor fucking insanely hard. I couldn't imagine being responsible for the economy of a whole state, especially at California. That's why our goofy governor keeps calling it a nation state. It might as well be a fucking nation. There's 40 million people in this motherfucker. That's a lot of people, man. That's crazy. I don't want that job, but if you're going to have that job, you better be fucking really good, man. You better be really good.

Maybe that's a good key for cops, too. Have a four-year, like, term, and then you're up for a review.

But then there's always the romantic crazy cop, like rigs and lethal weapon was the romantic crazy cop. It was kind of cool. He's a little unhinged, but he gets a job done. Yeah. Right. You know? But those guys are never abusive in those movies. The unhinged guys. Yeah. They're always heroes and cool with people, but they just, you know, eat cold pizza in the morning and a blender and they fucking smoke cigarettes and then they choke people.

We tried.

That's a small town life.

I know you do. I got a few stories. There's a lot of cops stories to have. Good and bad, but you don't hear the bad ones. There's a lot of interactions every day that people have with cops that are positive.

But it just exactly like the Chris Rock joke. You really can't have bad apples when it's that job. No, just like you can't have bad fire department people. You can't have bad pilots. You can't have it's just a job. You got to do it right.

Yeah, I've seen that one.

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So there might have been a shot left in the people saying that? Yeah. That's why I don't know that.

Mark Lamont Hill had a really important point. He said, why is that a case even for the police? There should be something else. Like some other division. that just handles nonviolent people that are just in need of assistance. If you got a guy who's drunk in a parking lot, there should just be some people that if you want to cite him and give him some sort of a find or suspend his license for 30 days or something like that, something nonviolent. But that guy should just get a ride home. And if he says, he drove there, well, hey man, you can't drive drunk, you're in trouble for that. But to try to taze him and all that other shit, there's no need for that.

And that's one of the ones where the land police department's all walking off in solidarity because the guy was charged with felony murder.

Yeah, a lot of them are just not responding to things. They basically don't feel like they're supported and they want to let people know like, this is what we do. This is how hard this job is. So this is what it's like when cops don't respond.

It's not going to change the charges. If they charge them with felony murder, they're not going to uncharge him with felony murder because the cops aren't responding. And once it's like, it just shows that much.

The care about staying together. You know, it's what we're saying earlier. I mean, this is that's the oath, right? That's the, you know, the code of silence. You, you have to protect those other people because the shit could go down. You need them to have your back. It's, I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying that is how it works in the police department. That's terrible. Did you ever see the documentary the 75? I didn't. You should see it. It's far again crazy.

The 75. It is all about this guy. It's this guy Mike Dowd who's out now. who became a corrupt police officer just joined the force because he wanted to be a cop and then right away was introduced to the fact that this whole fucking thing is bad. It's all corrupt. They're all bad cops. They're all doing fucked up shit. I'm pretty sure they pushed the guy out of a window like one of the first days that he got there. Someone got killed. and they were just saying this is how it works and then cut too many years later he's robbing drug dealers selling drugs and they're organizing hits on people like it's a crazy fucking moving it's from his words and his former partners words and just details how everything went completely sideways And it just shows you like imagine if you were one of those guys and that's your job you're a fucking cop and you're in this precinct with all these other corrupt cops and you're like well this is what we do so this is what we do we just corrupt fuck it's like the mom mentality with the protests right you get a good protest or people protesting a real thing people that are having a peaceful march doing that stuff and then you compound

Yep, there's definitely a lot of that. There's also, there was some crazy shit where it was pretty much proven that some cops were the ones who were breaking windows in Minneapolis. Oh, yeah.

That seems like a weird way to save people. Saw the fucking security door open.

They're like a little 911. Yeah. Well, okay. We were robbing this jewelry store.

That's true, too. Yeah. I mean, how many cops rob things during all the melee had to be a lot, right? Come on. They had to. The one that I saw was a target Minneapolis where this cop that actually got recognized and he got identified and this cop was smashing windows and these kids were like, hey man, you are fucking cop. He's like, fuck off. I'll trick you rest. And his big guy.

Yeah. Yeah, full face shield on and everything. And they were like, this guy's wearing like police issues, shoes, police issues, clothes.

Well, I think I'm going to write those situations.

Ooh, that's a good point. Ooh, look at Joe Shilings, think I'm multiple levels. You know what I mean? I think what happens with a lot of this, you know, that's called an agent provocateur, right? And what they've used those people for before is to stop a peaceful protest. And the way they stop a peaceful protest, they turn it violent. And then they then they have the authorization to go in and break up the protest and arrest people. And that has been done. That absolutely has been done. It was done with the World Trade Organization protests in the early 2000s. They did that in Seattle. That shit has been done. They do it might be late 90s. But they fucking do that. That is a government tactic.

Yeah, the brick thing was weird. You know, in some circumstances, the bricks actually were there because of construction. That's been proven. There was one that was a synagogue in North Hollywood and there was these like bricks set up right in front of the synagogue. Well, like this is fucked up. Like what is this about? Turned out even worse. The bricks had actually been there for a long time and they were there to keep people from driving into the synagogue. They were to stop a car from smashing through the front windows and killing people. So they were worried after like the Pittsburgh mass shooting and a couple other mass shootings. They were worried about their synagogues so they set up these bricks to keep some fucking psycho from driving a car through the building, which is almost worse.

I think I guess, but this is one of the breaks because it was like set up by these folks that ran the synagogue.

Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure. I mean, I think City probably approved it. But it's a weird, see if you can find it. I saw the picture there in my cages, right? Yeah, yeah.

In case you're on a synagogue, that's being targeted by white supremacist.

It's just this whole COVID and then the George Floyd protests and then the riots and the looting and everything. Really highlights how fragile our civilization is. Really shows everybody.

Yeah, that's the Cuomo nursing home thing is a giant scandal man. He and those people go back to the nursing homes they infected and killed thousands of people because of that.

I think the idea was because this was a new disease, and they required more, like, financially. It's more difficult to treat those people, that they allocated more money towards people that had COVID. But when you do that, you do incentivize people to mark deaths as COVID.

But there are other members come out. Apparently, there've also been a bunch of people that died and weren't COVID tested that they do believe died because of complications for COVID too. So the idea is that it could even possibly bounce it out. They don't know. But there are a lot of people that have, like, here's a deceptive one that I've read. It was really fucked up. They were talking about this kid who was, I think he was 17. He died from COVID. And they said, he was a, there was said he was healthy. no other health issues they said. But then you read the article deeper, it turns out he had diabetes. He had type one diabetes and he was 400 pounds. And it's like, wait a minute, that's not no issues. These articles are full of shit and they write those articles just so that you click on them because they get the fucking ad revenue from clicks. So they're incentivized to trick you into being scared. You're like, oh my god, a 17-year-old died? What happened? My 17-year-old can die. Holy fuck. And then you click on it. And if you don't read, you know, six, seven paragraphs into the article, you don't find out that this was a 400-pound diabetic kid that, you know, that's what have died from the flu three months earlier and it would have been the same shape.

Well, at least finally they're saying when they're saying the numbers are spiking, I haven't heard the 50% are false.

She was saying 50%.

Yeah, now they're saying asymptomatic people, very, very, really, 20 minutes.

Yeah, people get mad at you if you suggest differently. There's a lot of people that like being scared, too. And they're like, fuck you.

Me being bothered was not be these people weren't freaking out when you see these mass protests and the spikes Guess what happened right after the protest and at least they're saying that now at least they're saying they're being forced in the saying is probably connected to the protests Well of course always just one way to get people to get people to get scared let's scare them to stop revolting let's get them let's get them chill out you got you know

Do you think it's that calculated that that's what they're doing?

What happened to murder hornets? They came and went real quick. I was really worried about them. Aliens bro.

The alien thing is interesting because there's quite a few like real legitimate studies and including black ops studies that are going on right now on aliens. It's particularly after the David Fraver incident which was air force incident that was off the coast of San Diego that was all documented in terms of the speed of the aircraft the fact that they were tracking it the fact that it blocked their their tracking systems so it was an active object blocking their attractive tracking systems and it also went from something like right above the surface of the water to 60,000 feet in a matter of a second like whatever the fuck that thing is and violates all laws of propulsion and all those Air Force guys were saying yeah we've been following these things they've been down here for the last few weeks like every now and then we'll see one and they'll hover above the water and dunk down into the water they don't know what the fuck they were and you know this David Fraver guy who's like a rock solid button down military man he is not a bullshit artist he's not a guy who needs a lot of attention He came on the podcast and relayed his experiences with this thing. And there's not just one of them. And they behave very similarly. They've had them on the East Coast. I'm doing a terrible job of giving all the facts about how they operate and how they move. But they defy all the known laws of propulsion. They have no idea what they are. They have no idea where they're coming from. They don't know what they're doing. But these things behave in some really almost supernatural way in terms of like what we know about physics.

Well, the governments come out and said, I mean, they've openly said this real issue. Trump says he's heard very interesting things about Ron's well, side of an alleged UFO event. President was asked by his, yeah, that was nonsense though. Do you see that interview? First of all, the whole interview was weird. Like Donald Trump Jr. is interviewing Donald Trump and he's not even doing it like his dad. You know, like, if I was sitting there with my dad, I thought, all right, dude, tell me what's up. What's going on with the aliens pop?

And also, I would ask that question for fucking years ago, day one. I'd be like, come on, dude.

I would run for president just to find out. Just to win. I think you should run for president Joe. You should have some zero president. Awesome. I could cancel for all Joey Diaz conversations.

That would, it would have to be that. It would have to be like some seriousness and some, like some, but you know, life is so preposterous. And it's more preposterous now than it's ever been before. And then, meanwhile, there's no stand-up. The only person doing stand-up right now has been, there's a few guys that just started doing shows. I'm actually in Houston this weekend for the first time in three months. I haven't done any stand-up. Chappelle's doing regular shows in Ohio. he's got a outside wedding like pavilion and he's got it set up where everybody's socially distanced they're all wear masks in the crowd they have chappelle masks so they'll have like the sea on their mask they're in the crowd and it's my buddy Don El did it and he said he loves it and Dave's like listen man I got to do something I got to figure this out it's all been approved by the governor. Everybody's, you know, distance six feet apart. They all maintain social distancing during the show. They wear masks during the show.

Texas Governor urges people to stay home as states report surges of new COVID-19 cases. Yeah, you want to see the photo of the Austin protest? Have you seen it? It's crazy. Austin, which is the most progressive city in Texas, had this insane protest, which listen, I think is great. I do. I think it's great that people want to show solidarity, that people want to get out there and let everybody know that they're not down with police brutality and that they're down with racially quality and that you got all these thousands of thousands of people together to have the same positive message. I love it. However, That COVID doesn't give a fuck about racially quality or social justice. If you're, if you're not healthy, it's gonna get you. I don't know about that. And the case is spike. But the other thing about Texas is a giant percentage of it. I think somewhere in the neighborhood at 50% is actually in prisons. So when they're talking about statewide issues. Did you have an image because I can get an image for you? I got a good one for you. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that'll cause problem. Let's fucking people. But one thing they have found out, if you guys are going to protest, protest during the day, and this is why there's been a new study that came out that said that COVID-19 dies almost instantly in contact with sunlight.

No, he was saying, like, put lights in the body.

Yes. But it's not, but it's not the heat. It's actually light. So the night time is just as dangerous in the summer as it is during the day. It's not heat. It's not a temperature issue. I'm sure some temperature kills it.

It's not real.

It's not real. It's not real. It's not real.

I understand what you said.

I understand what you say. I'm going to give you a different perspective. Okay. This is the different perspective. The different perspective is legit biologists have analyzed the actual virus itself and they find all sorts of problems with this virus. I had Brett Weinstein on the podcast the other day. He's a professor, a legit biologist and he was discussing all of the indicators in the virus that seem to point to the fact that this has probably been leaked from a lab and explained it in terms of the way viruses evolve. I'm going to do a terrible job of paraphrasing it because I'm more on it and he's brilliant. But when he's sitting in the long run what he's basically saying is this is a very legit virus. It's very complicated because of the fact that it's been fucked with because this is not a virus like You know, like a regular cold or like anything else that we've encountered before. This is something that's really complicated and may have evolved because it came from a lab. His perspective is it may have evolved to transmit better indoors. and it's very vulnerable to UV light, which also might be part of, you know, being from a lab and not something that existed in the wild that actually just jumped from a bat to a pangolin to a person or what have you. So legit scientists and biologists who are not a part of the narrative, they're not working for any government agency, they're not a part of the news media that's trying to transmit propaganda They are concerned with it and they're concerned with it for very specific scientific reasons. Now me as a person who doesn't know what the fuck any of that stuff I just said means really. I just repeat it and it sounds like I'm smart. But the smart people actually are worried about it for very specific reasons that it could explain to you. Now, it's not vulnerable for a lot of people. They're not going to be vulnerable. Like pro athletes. We were talking about those NBA players to get it. Listen, those are top of the food chain stud athletes. They shake it off. They're not experiencing any symptoms. You know, over and over and over again, there's a lot of people that get it. Idris Helbra shook it off. There's a lot of people that get it. Shake it off. They barely get it. They barely even know they have it. But they're really robust, healthy people. The concern is people that aren't old people, people that are vulnerable, when they get it man, they get it bad. And I was reading an article today about a woman who's been sick with COVID for a hundred days now, and she still has days, which she has like these horrible flu-like symptoms, and she gets real easy. But I think she has multiple sclerosis, and she's got some other underlying health conditions, so those people have to really be worried about this, because it's not predictable, and they don't know how to treat it totally, especially in the beginning. turned out when they put people on ventilators, my buddy Michael Yoogotte and he got it early on and his doctor told him if I put you on a ventilator, you're probably going to die because your body's going to stop breathing for itself. It's going to let the ventilator do all the work.

I don't know.

The thing is though, like, I think the ventilator, one way you could look at it, the ventilator is such a last-ditch effort that by the time you get to the, what is that? What do you have to say? He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it. He's got it.

This is dog stuff, right?

Yeah, I'm sure. It's funny how he's jump balls deep in the weed and CBD. Yeah, all right. Look at that. Dog CBD. He even says it on there. I fucked up with CBD and I took some of their dog CBD. It was delicious peanut butter flavor. I think it's fine though. I'm sure. Why not? It's just CBD, but they make it flavor for dogs. What's that? It's more shit. Yeah. That's it. I think it goes there in the generous fellow. All right. Oh, can I quote CBB and T-shirts and shit? What is the bull for? What is all that? What is the ram said?

That's like Satan, right? What is the one that the devil that has the goat head? Is it Bialsebook? Sounds good. Sounds like they'll be correct. All right. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Satan. No, who is it? Which one? You got to be careful. You know, you get people so high that they get super paranoid and they look down at that ghost. That's a bad format. Oh, bad format. That's right. I've seen him on things before. That's like something dunking would know a lot about it.

Come on, man. Hey, Dan. Why is that guy on the cover of your fucking promise? As that goat dude with with eagle wing goat dude now okay, it's creepy's fuck with his pentagram on his head Houston ICU capacity could soon be exceeded as COVID-19 hospitalizations worsen and then all the videos come out and it's like people and

A lot of time, just a little bit of that.

But there's also a real shit going on. Okay, Dr. Peter Hotez, he's been on the podcast before. National School of Tropical Medicine Diseases, Tropical Medicine and Baylor College of Medicine. He's a brilliant guy.

He said he called on the state to reimpose more aggressive social distancing restrictions. So he's not a, he's not a foolish person. If he's saying this, he's a legit scientist and a doctor and he knows a tremendous amount about diseases. I met him many, many years ago, he kind of freaked me out because we're doing this, I interviewed him for this sci-fi thing and he was telling me that people that live in tropical climates all have parasites. I'm like, all of them, he goes, all of them. So everybody's got something. He's like, that's your living in this like soup of moisture and heat. And it's just the perfect breeding ground for all these diseases. And a lot of these third world countries, poor folks that live in these tropical climates, he's like, they all have it. And when you say that, I was like, well, that course that makes sense. There's no antibiotics, no met. It's probably like just a normal part of life to have all these different parasites.

It might be both, you know, some people's immune systems might be stronger, but like creek water. Like that's what people drank, man. They just drank creek water and you would get beef or fever. You'd get jardy. It was a normal thing. You know, people like he would like talk about Mexico, right? People always say don't drink the water. Don't drink the water. Well, they're fucking drinking water all the time, right? But their their system is just more it's more tolerant of it. Or they just use to shop their pants all the time. Maybe a little bit of that. Maybe a little bit of that. But I imagine like beaver fever's got a jarty is probably killing people. I mean, you're drinking like horrible bacteria. I know people have died for me. Cola. I wonder if they died from chariot. There's jarty of kill you. because that's a normal thing you get if you drink out of a creek.

Okay, no, that's Brett Weinstein. Brett Weinstein, yeah, he's the biologist. He said he did not set talk like that. He's not say like it was made in the lab. He's like all indications would point to. He's one of those guys. And but he's never like so therefore it does.

They're rarely disdardy and simple. Yeah, real close. Rare rarely does Jardy and infection cause death, but each year, 4,600 persons with Jardy, Jardy Isis, they're estimated to be hospitalized in the United States. Hospitalization usually primarily children under five in dehydration of the most frequent code diagnosis. Huh. Yeah, probably dehydrated and then you drank that shitty water. The fact that dehydration is like one of the co-intiding factors.

Yeah. It's like baby shit dehydrated when they're sick, right? Yeah, that's probably better perspective. That's what video lights for. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Do you take any, uh, electrolytes? Like, were you training?

Dude, I just started over the last year. I started taking one of my sponsor. They sent me this liquid IV stuff. Electrolites make a big fucking difference. Yeah, it makes a big difference in how quickly you hydrate. It makes a big difference in stopping cramps. Stops all the cramps.

Which is one of the things that I've been fucking sound the alarm on forever. We're gonna stop way cutting. Guys, I want people to fight healthy and I want to fight for as long as they can. Look, DC had kidney failure before. I mean, that's why he didn't get into the Olympics at one point. Kidney failure. Daniel Kwameyet. You know, he's had real problems from cutting weight, man. It's fucking terrible for you. That's why he fights so good at half you eight. Yeah. You know, when he said heavyweight, he doesn't have to deal with any of that bullshit. He can just eat and train and just recover. When you're dehydrating yourself to that extent, to the extent that some got like Polo Costa, that motherfucker, Chale Son and Hannah video he had on YouTube. I urge you to go to Chale Son as YouTube and listen to him talk about it. He was watching Polo Costa, he said Polo Costa is 230 plus pounds. He cuts down to 185 for a fight. That's insane.

I don't know, man, you got to see the video of him now. He looks like a fucking heavyweight. You know, you see, recovered from surgery, right? So he had, um, a believey, severed one of his biceps after his fight with yoL. So he had to get it reattached and this along recovery process. So, uh, he just got big. He's huge, man.

thing is if he can make 70 for the first, you know, few minutes until his body starts giving out holy shit.

Terrible. But no, no, like heavyweight. Well, icing people like Glover to share with one punch as a light heavyweight.

You've got an iron chin. That's a big factor. Anthony can take it. You can't just put him out. He had so goddamn hard. The fucking Minotaro punch. When he clipped him with that upper-cut and flat-lined him, he did the same thing to Glover. He just can, he could take people out with one shot like nobody else in the sport.

Something crazy. Wait, she, right? Well, he lost the John Jones before that. John Jones did some really clever shit in that fight and he did something that I'm kind of amazed that people don't do more often. John had an overhook on Glover's arm and they were in the clinch and John wrenched his fucking arm up. in a way that I've never seen it in a global fear lock. Like a shoulder lock. He got him in some kind of a shoulder lock. And he did it from there. So John has his arm. Like he's got. Glover's got an arm. He gave him the under hook. And John's got his arm. And John, he serious right there. And John. That's a mere lock. Yeah. He did fucking shoulder. And afterwards, Glovers telling me, he's like, oh, my shoulders fucked. He kept fighting the fight with it, but made a big impact on his building through the right hand and grapple. It was pretty, they're at Savage shoulder crank. It was pretty savage, man. It was pretty savage. And what's interesting is, again, it's not, let's see it. Let's watch it. Very rare, man. Look at that. Oh. And did a couple of times. Dude. I mean, he's, he fucked his shoulder there.

Such a weird joint. Yeah. And for a guy like John, who first of all has massive leverage.

Such a bad one. That's a dude who, uh, fucked Sage Northcut in, uh, one FC and nobody saw that coming.

They want that to happen.

There's something about one I've seen. I'm not saying the UFC wouldn't do the exact same thing because they absolutely would. But they would love to have those guys and they have to go over there and get their ass kicked. The only one who's like proved everybody wrong is not even proved everybody wrong. What proven is greatness in that regard is DJ because DJ still dominating. My name is still dominating even over there. They're throwing their best killers at him and he's still dominating. But he's just so good.

The, I say the goat is John Jones. And I say the goat is John Jones because John Jones is beat everybody in his fucking division. He's never lost to anybody.

So Chale sun in his video is excellent. He says he's 230 plus pounds. And look, not fat, gigantic. So John, I think John's the goat. John's beat everybody. He turned back every single challenge. He's never lost once. The only fight that he has an L was the disqualification of fight. He was totally dominant. If anything, that fight should be changed to a no contest. And also that rule should be amended. It's a silly rule.

It's one of the dumbest rules that we still keep.

You know what's crazy dude? It's not even the best elbow. But you know it's not the best elbow. No. That's not the best elbow. Like you're an elbow expert. You can speak to this. Yeah. Just ditch him off Joe Shilling.

If you can step on a dude's thigh and oomboc on right in the fucking dump,

That's really what they said. But meanwhile, that position doesn't even exist on the ground anyway. If they understood leverage of like the human body, the position of the position of standing, oh, I just killed the light. Oh, sorry. We have this floating magnetic light that I just killed. Did I pull the thing out of the plugs over there? This episode is brought to you by Moan. Homes are a big investment. You want to protect them from fires, break-ins, and especially water. Water damage is a lot more frequent. And something as small as a leaky pipe can lead to big problems down the road. And it can also be hard to detect. since you know most pipes are hidden behind a wall. That's why you guys need the mowing smart water monitor and shut off. It's a device that can automatically shut down your home's water when a leak is detected and it also works 24-7 monitoring and tracking your home even when you're not there. It'll alert you through the app at the first sign of a leak, providing ultimate peace of mind and security. Learn more and buy the moan smart water monitor and shut off at moan.com slash flow. And right now, use the code Rogan to get 5% off free shipping and a free leak detector. That's code Rogan at m-o-e-n.com slash f-l-o. Automatic shutoff and real-time alert capabilities will operate when the device is configured with the proper settings. This episode is brought to you by Mizzon and Maine, no matter where you're listening, no matter what job you have, the clothes you wear to work say a lot about you. And if you're wearing boring, stiff, uncomfortable dress shirts, well, now might be the time to ditch some of the dated boring styles in your workplace wardrobes, and that's exactly what Mizzon and Maine is for. When I wear my shirt, I feel like I'm not sacrificing comfort for style. There are performance fabric, dress shirts, feel just as good as they look, and you could put on a misdemean and dress for the job you have. You will see it hanging in your closet and genuinely get excited to put it on. And if you're still dry cleaning your dress shirts, You're living in the past. Welcome to 2024, where Ms. and Maine has the world's most comfortable machine washable dress shirts. Ms. and Maine invented the performance fabric dress shirt 10 years ago, and they've practically perfected the thing. It's lightweight, breathable, moisture-wicking, wrinkle-resistant, and the most comfortable shirt on the market. Whatever you do, and wherever you wear it, know that you'll look and feel amazing. Shop now at masoninmain.com and save 20% when you spend $130 or more using the promo code Joe Rogan. But what was I just saying? John Jones is the goat. Mighty mouse is the elbow. That's the only reason why John Jones ever lost is because he did the downward elbow. Right. And most people thought that stoppages ridiculous to come up man. He just won the fight. He won the fight. You can't take it away from him for that. And that did that almost no impact on the fight. He was going to fuck him up. He was fucking him up before that. He was going to fuck him up there. Yeah, they should take away that rule, first of all. But, too, you can't take that and turn it to a loss. That's not a loss.

He was getting smashed by the goat. That's really what it was. For sure. So there's him, John Jones, does the top of the food chain. I think just by results undeniable. But then technical, it's mighty mouse. Mighty mouse is the most technically gifted guy I've ever seen inside the octagon. I don't know what I mean. Gifted in any negative way like he just didn't have to work for it. I mean talented. I mean just, but he puts it together. Gifted in that he had Matt Hume for an instructor for sure. That's a big factor because that guy is a real bonified martial arts wizard.

And, you know, he actually fought Pat Militich way back in the day, dude. Those guys were like legit pioneers, but Madhum's always been super, super technical. So you got DJ, who's like Matthew, who's like, one of the great minds of the sport, and they got this as star pupil, is like the most spectacular and talented and technical fighter. In terms of just overall technique, I think Mindy Mouse is the most spectacular example of mixed martial arts I've ever seen.

I mean, I mean, the project.

But like John Jones asked me wild mother fucker. That's what he is. Also, while I'm on the fucker, so be careful. He's wild. He's going to make mistakes. He's going to do wild crazy shit. He's also going to open up on Mauricio Shogunhua in the youngest ever time a person wins UFC title. Opens up that fight with a flying Nate. I'm Mauricio Shogunhua. Who the fuck does that? You got to be a wild mother fucker. You got your tile fight, you're 22 years old. You're in there with a fucking legend from pride and you open with a fly-in-earth, staggering, and one up stopping him.

That's the goat. That's the goat. But then he got Anderson Silva and his prime like ooh Anderson Silva and his prime was terrifying when he front kick V torn the face when Anderson Silva was in his prime when he smashed Chale son in the rematch even when he caught Chale son in a triangle off his back in a fight where he went into that fight with fucked up ribs He probably shouldn't even take him that fight and chill just kept taking him down. He couldn't stop the take down and eventually got him in a triangle off his back

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my Well, he was one of the most technical strikers ever at that point. Like, we had never seen a guy who moved that good. And I had seen him fight a bunch of times in Pride, but then when he went into greatness was like, when he was like, 30-ish. Because that's when he started fighting in cage warriors.

Back all the elbow on Tony Frickland and that's he fought. God damn it. He fought quite early Murray. That was a big one. That was when Lee Murray was a shock about Keller.

I have to talk about it. He's a goddamn guy, Richie movie. Yeah. Lee Murray's a guy, Richie movie. He's a human guy, Richie movie. For people who don't know who he is, he robbed a bank with a bunch of other dudes, and they got away with like $500 million. And then he jetted off to Morocco for a little bit, was hiding out over there, and then eventually got caught, and now he's in jail. And was actually at one point in time, he was losing weight. to try to slip in between the bars, who is convinced that if you could get down to a certain weight, he could get through the bars.

I think Guy Richie has got to be on the case. If anybody's making that movie, it's going to be Guy Richie.

But, oh, you are a Rivera, too. That was another fight over there. When he fought Jorge Rivera in Cage Warriors, that was the one where he let him punch him in the face. You remember that?

He's still right in front of him and he gets a guy and he punches him, he turns, he punches him, he turns, and he's like marches him down, starts kicking his face. Wow. It's crazy. See if you can find that because it's one of those ones where Mark Delagratte was in Jorge's corner. and he said he's seeing him punch Anderson in the face like oh shit he's gonna fuck him out oh shit he's gonna fuck and he goes when Anderson feels nothing and doesn't even react like oh no oh no because I mean he tees off with like several clean punches on Anderson and Anderson's letting him do it And then Anderson just starts marching him down and beating him up. And that that was what I was accustomed to. So I got seen those big three fights over in cage warriors. And so then when he came to the UFC and he fought Chris Lee, but I was like, oh my god, bet the house on the Brazilian. Oh for sure. Here it is right here. This is the fight. And this is, and by the way, this organization, it's cage warriors, right? Kage rage. Kage rage. Yeah.

Kage warriors is a big organization now. Right. Okay, that's our cage bridge.

That's right. That's dope. This organization had some great fights, man. There was some really big fights that came out of here, where guys like these two were going at it, and then eventually Anderson rolls on to become the goat. And this was like Rivera had been fighting in the UFC with much success. He was a good guy, a very tough guy. But this was a fight where Anderson just kind of showed how far ahead he is. So you're standing right in front of the market. And at one point time, just let some star punch in them. He just knew how to move away from shit, just enough. And the thing about a guy that fights like Anderson, he's had such a fucking insanely high level for these three or four years. This fight, the V Tour fight, the two fights with Rich Franklin. I really feel like for an athlete, a real elite athlete. This is the time. Look at this. He's standing in front of him in the clinch and he's letting a punch him in the face. He hit him like three or four times in the face. Like, look at this. This is the scene. Look, he's just letting him hit him. Look, look at it. Look at this. He's letting him hit him. And that's when Delagrat feels like, oh, no. It's Jorge's a big puncher. So for Anderson to clinch with him and let him punch him in the face like that. And they just start marching him down. They're like, how do we win this fight? And this was Anderson in his prime. And then Anderson in his prime, you know, when he fought Chris Lee, but that's Anderson in his prime. Right. And there was quite a few fights where he exhibited an insane level of ability.

Yeah, I had a few friends come to that. And I was telling my dude, go bet on this guy.

Yeah, and that was back in the day. They didn't know anything like the line the betting lines. They were wacky. Guys would come in then people didn't know I got them like that. You gotta bet on that guy like bet on that guy. They don't know who he is. Right. Oh my god. He's gonna fuck everybody up. There was a few of those guys, but no better example than Anderson. Like they're pretty hyped on Anderson being here. But it wasn't nearly, it should have been like a 1,000 to 1 odds. You know, that was one of those fights where you just like, oh my god, there's a perfect style to, you know, matted or because leaving was so powerful and so tough. And he would take one to give one. Like, you can't take one to give one with Anderson Silva.

But the way Anderson pulled it off was like, fucking poetry, man. The combinations he hit him with just poetry. Just, you know, if you're a fan of like, beautiful timing and poise under pressure, because Liebens come in with nuclear bombs, right? Liebens knocked out vandaly, remember?

One of the best left-hand ever. There's a few fights like that. He had a few crazy wars. But when he knocked out Van Delay Silva, I was like, holy shit, Chris Leban. He just knocked out the ax murderer. But he was that guy. If he clipped you, man, you had real problems. He's a tough mother fucker, too. But that style was taken and made for Anderson. So I think like, there's an argument about Anderson, too. There's an argument like, if you look at years, You know, like years have been amazing. There's an argument that he's, uh, I mean, God damn, there was a few years where Anderson was just almost untouchable.

Right.

Yup. He's, he's in the conversation, right? I think there's a real problem with having a goat. Oh, go.

Never ends. You know? But who the fuck is going to beat John's record?

Yeah. He was, uh, it was interesting that rampant rampage was his kryptonite. You know, rampage was his kryptonite over and pride. And it shows you like it styles, you know, for sure. Some guys have a style to beat certain guys, but some people will figure their number out. You know, it's such a weird sport, man. There's so many things going on. You know, it's just, your transition from going through Mointai to kickboxing to MMA. I mean, you're one of the rare guys like you and Gaston and there's a few other dudes who have really competed in all of the major combat sports, other than boxing. Do you have any boxing fights?

Dude, the first big, the first big thing that Glory did at the forum. Was that the last man standing event?

Last man standing. Was that the first big event they did at the forum?

Yeah, the Artem Levin fight was awesome. And the need that you caught him with on the way down to is perfect.

I've done it a couple times in my career. In that crazy, you can actually wake someone up with a punch.

Never know, though. That's speculation, right?

I definitely had them fucked up from the punch, too. But I felt like the knee did more damage. I felt like it helped. Once he hit, just look at it. Absolutely, once he hit. Get a Joe Shilling Drops, Artem Levin, and he was a bad mother fucker man. That guy is so interesting. Bad mother fucker. Interesting style. You know, weird, like tricky.

and he'll throw shit with no telegraphing, particularly his low kicks. They come out of nowhere. There's no step. He just smacks him in there on you sometimes. Like you'll do it all. He has like all these change-up speeds.

Yeah, he's he's slick man. He's real slick. So this is a great fucking fight by the way. This is the this is the very end.

Just let some of it roll. He just let it roll. Doesn't matter. My favorite knockout of yours ever though was Simon Marcus. That was crazy. That was crazy because that was a wild-ass fight.

Oh my god dude that gave me hope for kickboxing.

It gave me a lot of hope for kickboxing because it was like the forum is fucking packed and the fights were wild man. I mean it was a wild event. when you through that right hand haymaker and caught Simon Marcus on the chin you see his jaw snap sideways and his mouth please go flying out that was one of the prettiest knockouts ever and also because the fact the fight was so close it was so much chaos that fight was wild dude and he dropped you in the second was in the second round yep second round And it was like, oh, shit. It was a fucking war, man. There was so much heavy bombing on each other. And this is a tournament. You had to fight four times that night.

Oh, yeah. I mean, yes, you know.

The pearl, the pond? Yeah. You had some wild fights with them.

So you had to give him up your purse?

Oh yeah. Fourth round man. Yeah. I'll never forget it because after the third I was like, what? They got to go one more round of this because it was such a fucking crazy fight.

This is at boom. Nope. That's not the punch. a lot of fighters experience that and it's the coaches job I think to keep them just try to keep them going so I'm on dry still side on that but ultimately he didn't fight anyway they stopped it right yeah well ultimately he did but it was very very controversial but I get dry still position and listen in retrospect like after the conversation is over yeah maybe you should have called it when the guy said call it But in the moment, he doesn't know that he can't talk to the guy in the fighting and then maybe the guy wins. You don't know what a person's psychological mindset is like unless you train with that person. And there are some people that you can talk into performing better. That said, he took a lot of fucking punishment in that second round, right? Maybe he knew something, maybe it was a good thing to stop. There's sometimes when your body's just broken. There's sometimes when you shouldn't go on. And this debate, I think, is very healthy. The debate of whether or not the coach was right or whether or not the guy was right. But ultimately, the guy's right, because he can't go on, so he doesn't, he quits. And he's, you know, that's his decision. What he only, only he knows, what was going on with his body. You remember when Jeremiah McLean got criticized for taking a knee against Nigel Ben? I don't know if you remember, but it was a, that's the fight that put Jerome McLean in a coma and, and, and, and, all right. It was severely handicapped him. Right. Jerome McLean at the time was a fucking assassin man. He was so scary, but he was another guy that cut way too much weight. He cut a lot of weight, man. It was hard for him. He was really big. And so when he would get into the, I forget if he's fought 168, I think he was fighting in Roy Jones's division. He's a 168 or 175. Yet pull up Jeroma Klawlin versus Nigel Ben. This was the dark destroyer because Nigel Ben was a wild ass fight to Nigel's got crazy dreadlocks and Jeroma Klawlin knocked him through the ropes in the first round because he was smashed people. He was just smashed people. He was such a crunk guy, right? So he fought like a crunk guy, just moving forward behind the jab big right hand, just nasty vicious puncher. Well, Nigel Ben gets up, and he makes it through the round, and then turns into a war, and then German clones starts getting tired, and then they clash heads, and then Nigel Ben hits him with a couple punches laid in the fight, and when Nigel Ben hit him, see, like this is early on, I mean, this is, look like this, go a little earlier than this, so we could see this combination, but this was German clowning, and everybody was like, real keen on him fighting Roy Jones Jr. This was when Roy Jones was in his prime, and this was like the big challenge was, Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones Jr. Everybody was thinking that was eventually gonna have to happen because Gerald was just smashing people. And Nigel Ben was tough, man, fucking tough. But look at this, boom, boom, boom. He's like he's out, man. And he falls through the fucking ropes. You can see he's like really out of it, but so tough and so conditioned that he makes it back. Look at that barely can get through the ropes. Got a lot of seconds there though, right? That's probably more than 10 seconds. So anyway, and look at the referee, there's more seconds. And Gerald still tean off on him and Nigel survives. It doesn't seem like he's going to survive, but he fucking survives. So then late in the fight, Nigel's making a comeback. So scooch way ahead here. And when Nigel starts tean off, on Gerald and Gerald's punches are coming real slow and he's getting tired and Nigel starts connecting and I mean the crowd is going fucking bananas. It is a wild ass fight and at one point in time they headbutt and then Nigel hits him with some punches and McLean takes a knee and everybody's like, I can't believe this. He's gonna quit. He's gonna quit. and then he goes to his corner and then he slumps and goes unconscious. Like he knew something was wrong. And anybody that criticizes in the moment, you know, they were saying, I can't believe he's doing this. I can't believe he's fucking, he's just going to quit. But he knew something was really off. Only the fighter knows. I mean, maybe it's psychological, but maybe something's wrong, man. Maybe he can't think. Maybe his brain is just fucked. Maybe nose is not going to be able to punch right. Maybe nose. There it is. So he goes down and just decides to stay down. He's like, something is fucking really wrong. He's like out of it. And you see this is, I mean, he just looks, something looks wrong. Something looks wrong. You know, he's hurt bad. And Nigel Ben is moving in for the fucking kill. And he drops in there with an uppercut and this is where he quits. see now this is where like you see him he's struggling man but if I remember correctly the commentators were shocked that he decided to stay down he's quit so they said it that way and you know I think they were you know expressing some shock that he quit and pretty pumped that Nigel Ben beat him but they didn't know You know, and Jerome McLean, that injury, scared the fuck out of everybody because he was, you know, one of the golden guys. He was one of the guys that everybody was excited about. It was like if that happened today, you know, to Ryan Garcia or someone like that, you know, someone who's, you know, real exciting, up and coming dude, someone who's You know, canelo like if canelo just I guess canelo was a bigger star than Gerald but when someone who's of that nature like an elite super elite fighter winds up going into a coma like that that's fucking terrifying shit

No, he didn't. He died. He's all fucked up. He can't see and you know, there's been some videos of Roy Jones Jr. visiting him. But apparently that was responsible for Roy Jones kind of altering a style and being very safety first and really. Yeah. And just thinking about eventually, you know, getting out of the sport, which is ironic, right? Because he won up fighting later and later and later and it was a lot. He has last fight just a couple of years ago. Right.

To wild ass sport, you're in Joe Shilling. Yeah. All the aspects of it, whether it's boxing, or Moitai, or MMA, and when it's a Bellator, we're going to start having fights again.

Mm.

But you can have fights from no crowds. They're letting people do that. Are they doing that? When you have seized on a few of them.

They test the fuck out of you.

So there was. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's um, uh, no, I wasn't there for that one. That was the biggest one, right? Um, I think it's uh, it's okay the way they're doing it. It's it's working out for everybody guys getting to fight. We're all getting to see that like that says something about Ferguson versus Gigi to have that in an an empty arena was there's something wild about it for sure. There's something wild about no crowd for sure. I think it everything. I think it added. I mean, I don't think it's the right way to do it. I think it's best with a crowd. But it's not a bad thing to have no crowd. No. Yeah. It's mean, maybe guys could fight better, too. There might be guys who can, like, stay more calm because there's less energy.

Yeah, probably, right? But God damn, they've had some fucking wild fights.

Both of them. Both. Yeah. I mean, both of them. Dude, Gaji is a stud. The fact he just figured out, he just figured out how to just take a little bit off. Take a little bit off, step away a little bit sometimes, come in at angles, faint sometimes. Don't just, more people because he was just, he was breaking people's will before, you know.

There's that for sure. What Whitman's a bad mother fucker and he's very smart and he got, he loves gauging, he loves his athletes, and he loves to sport, no doubt about that. Trevor's a wizard, he really is. But gauging is something special, man. It's something special about that kid's mind. You know, it's his body for sure. He's got, you know, awesome skills. One of the best, like, leg kickers in the clinch, I think I've ever seen. Right. Like he knows how to like, while you're tying up in the clinch, you'll fucking just a little little step in a nasty leg kick.

And walks to the cage, like he's getting to his truck to go to work in the morning. Like there's almost like there's no emotions. There's nothing, no nerves, no weirdness, no craziness.

And that's the way he fights, too. It's equal to him. Even the fights that he's lost, the poorier fight and the Eddie Alvarez fight, fucking amazing fights, man. And he almost lost the Michael Johnson fight. Michael Johnson had a violent real estate on queer street. He was dancing all over the place. I mean, it was, it was wild that he survived that. Because Johnson has a nasty left hand. And he clipped him with several punches, like big shots. He had gauge you wobbled, like real wobbled. That's one of those fights could have easily gone the other way. Johnson could have caught him with one more shot. Yeah, he was anyone could have that fight and poya is a leg with shot man. He chops legs like nobody man Crazy because he came out is a wrestler wrestling never wrestles. No never wrestling But that's what makes him so dangerous for Kabib, right? Because Kabib is the wrestler who always wrestles. Obviously, if you showed he could drop Connor, obviously shows he's fast as fuck with his hands on his feet. He's drop guys before, but he's not going, he's not a kick boxer in the sense that like Gagia's, when you see Gagia fighting, he's basically a kick boxer. I mean, with a wrestling background skill so that you can't take him down. So he's forcing the kickboxing, but he stands straight up. You know, he's standing like a striker. He stands like a striker. Like so does Jorge. Mosby doll. Yeah. He stands straight up.

nasty. He's so good man.

You know what else he is? He's fucking mean. That's a mean dude. Something like when when they asked him about the Ben Askron shot, was it necessary to punch him again on the ground? He goes, it was super necessary. That became a big hashtag super necessary.

I name man, he's in the fucking hurt game. You can't play your bullshit for sure nonsense in the hurt game.

People don't know, like I knocked out Eve Edwards with a head kick and bow dog. Eve Edwards. Eve Edwards is a slick striker, especially back then. That was Eve Edwards when Eve Edwards was arguably the best 155 pounder in the world. That was after he knocked out Josh Thompson in that highlight reel where he throws that round kick off his bench. Yeah, spinning back, back fist, and he throws a round kick and catches him right in the net.

And it's Josh Buck and Thompson. It's one of the toughest guys to ever live. Another monster. I mean, that was the last guy to knock out Nate. Before, yeah, before, I was with all it stopped him. He was the first guy to ever stop me. And Josh's as good as it gets. When you see that fight, I mean, that was two guys who easily could have done the same to each other. And just... Time to play it out of the way. Wait, landed the perfect shot. And he was a neck kick. It was just fucking spectacular. That time, Eve was thought to be absolutely one of the very best fighters in the world, probably the best 155-pounder a lot, but you have to change the division. They gave up the 155 division back then. I remember it was very disheartening, so it was like there's so much talent in this division, but they were ammerging money, man. This is all pre-ultimate fighter. They didn't know what they were doing. In terms of the future, they were $4 billion in debt. They're like, what are we doing? We're going to sell this. We're going to keep it. They just have their balls, though. Lorenzo for Tita, Frank for Tita, and Dana went all three of them have balls. They were just like, let's just, let's just ride. Let's let it ride. They were calling Dana up going, look for a buyer. Let's find a buyer. We got to get out of this. Like, we're not going to lose our family's fortune. We're $44 million in the whole and this cage fighting shit. Obviously, this is too brutal for America. They're not really into it. Then they figured it out that ultimate fighter show they financed the whole show paid for all of it pay for the whole thing paid to be on the network And then boom, that one final fight with Forest Griffin and Steph and Bonner. And these two crazy fucks are beating a shit out of each other. And it is a wild melee of a fight. And the viewership just keeps going up during the fight. Millions and millions of people watched during the fight like tuned in, extra people tuned in. Because people are calling their friends like, bro, you gotta watch this shit. This is nuts. And this spec of people didn't even know what it was. Like, what is this? What do they got little gloves on? What is happening?

Yeah. I mean. Couldn't have played out better. God damn they nailed it. And then boom. And that was a Craig Polligian show. He was a guy who did Survivor, like he knew how to do those reality shows, right? Dude, he's a G. He's one of the, like, the, the greats in terms of that genre, that guy knows how to make those fucking shows. That's why it was so good. You know, it didn't feel like a clunky reality show. It was a fun reality show to watch. That's what all, all that, oh, they're bringing it back by the way. Paul O'Costa in Israel, Arizona.

Tell me not gonna watch that. I'm pretty sure you're gonna watch that. That fight is a wild fight, man. Yeah.

I do too. I do too, but Izzy and Costa has to happen, man. When you see what Costa did to Yoel Romero walking down Yoel Romero? Yeah. Who the fuck walks down Yoel Romero? There's a picture I put up on my Instagram of him head kicking Romero. I mean, just clean. Just clean, shend to the head. And you see Romero's crazy skull, like, turn sideways. I'll tell you something that Dan and White told me. Yoel had an injury in one of his fights. It had some sort of fractured orbital, some sort of minor fracture of his, around the bone around his eye after the fight. Yeah, after the fight, during the fight he got it, right? After the fight they sent him to a doctor. The doctor calls UFC and goes, where did you find this guy? And they go, yeah, he's a stud, right? He goes, no, no, no, you don't understand. Like I've never seen, you go to the guy's like, I've practiced medicine for almost 50 years. He was I've never seen a person who's built like this. He said the tendency in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person. Like here's it. Is that it? Well, that's one of them. He had kicked him several times. But there's one image There's an image that I had on my Instagram that it's so crazy. It just kept beating him down. He had kicks over. Oh, this is the entire thing. Probably just there it is. That was the one that was on my Instagram. He just had kicked him over and over and look at that. That's the picture. What the fuck man? The guys just made out of metal and all the guys who fight him say that too. Like Luke Rock, look at that. I mean, come on man. He just Jerk, friends are just clang this shin off of his head. Back of the head. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. You're right. You're right. All in him. We're going to fight. That's a great fight. August 22nd. He's, he's the most terrifying specimen. So the doctor was saying, like, what is going on with this guy? Like he's built, like no person I've ever seen in my life. And so with the UFC was trying to figure out was Cuba. has always had a very aggressive athlete program. And they've been involved in all kinds of weird shenanigans. And they're tightly connected to the Soviet Union, particularly back then. And he was on the Cuban Olympic team. And Soviet Union has done some really weird shit when it comes to experiments on athletes. And you saw the movie, Icarus, right? Did you ever see that movie?

You need to see that. I might have seen it. It's about it. Tell me about it. This guy who is, he's worked. The guy who made the document, what is Brian's last name again? The guy who made it, put up the image of it. It's a Netflix.

Focal. That's right. Sorry, Brian. High smoke too much weed. So he's, this is what, so What he does, what Ryan decides to do is film himself competing in an endurance race, a bike race, and then do it the next time next year, juice up. So he does one year, and he does this whole thing, and then he gets into, it's an amazing documentary. Then he gets in touch with this Russian guy who's gonna teach him how to do it. This Russian guy works for the Russian anti-doping agency or whatever they call it over there. And the Russian guy, in the middle of this happening, in the middle of doping him up, It turns out that they catch the fact that the Russian team had basically taking in the soci Olympics. They basically taken all of the piss that was like the clean pit, the piss that people had samples. They removed them through a hole in the wall and replaced them with clean piss. So every single athlete had their piss swapped out and this guy who's the Russian guy is explaining this all to this Brian Fogel guy while this is all going down the news he just stepped in shit so this is all going down the news that they caught the Russian the Russian sports whatever the fuck they are They figured out these, there's micro scratches inside these bottles that indicate that they were these removable, unremovable bottles had actually been removed, and they figured out how to deal with some sort of a tool, but the tool left scratches on, and they figured this out, and then they found this hole in the wall, like a hole that big, where they would, I would hand you some dirty piss, you would hand me some clean piss, I'd replace the piss, and so they did that with all the athletes, so all the Russian athletes, most likely, Jews to the fucking kills. No, no, they did it. That was just pissed. But his perspective was, it was their job to be on steroids. They all were on steroids. This wasn't like they didn't get to choose. It wasn't like they're cheating. Like the government is making sure you cheat. They're going to take care of you. Right. Dude, it's crazy. It is an amazing documentary.

He has to come to witness production program. So the guy comes to America. Oh, yeah, everybody's smashing. Oh, no, no. He actually got injured a bunch and actually his time sucked on the second one. And I think his battery broke. Like something broke on his bike, something fucked up on his bike too. Like he had some problems.

We proved that he did injured. Right. but along the way and he didn't you know he didn't plan a plan on doing really good on juice but he just got fucked up a bunch of times and he went up being hurt and didn't perform that well the one the Oscar for best documentary and it should have it's amazing but once he did it and he starts interacting with his Russian cat who's teaching him how to do all this stuff what is the guy's name Gregorov your eerie what's his name Gregorov He's got damn Russian names. Oh, there it is. Okay, Gregory Rudchenkov. Yeah, that is so that's the guy and I mean he basically spills all the beans So once he realizes like he's on the run, by the way, they take away his family's money, they take away all the, they take away their home, they made them homeless, they made his family homeless, he had to leave behind his wife and his kids, like he's fucked, like it's not good. And he's hiding in America, he's probably in South Dakota right now, a dive bar with fucking four goons and over shoulders, looking out for Russians. I mean, he's fucked. And he told the whole truth of how they did it, why they did it, the way they've done it, and always in the past. And it's not a coincidence that Russia, like the amount of gold medalists they got from that one Olympics was just staggering. And then the Olympic committee removed them from the next one. Like they weren't able to compete and like a lot of the sports. They weren't able to compete in the next Olympics.

Yeah, it's, it's crazy, but he was also detailing how crazy it is that the Olympic committee and the world doping agency, the water, the water, whichever one it was, the test them. They're all like, they work for each other. Like, this guy will go to work for there, and that guy will go to work for that. Right. Here they all, they're all buddies.

He's a good guy, give me to that piss here. Take my piss on clean piss. And, you know, that was one of the things that they had said about like Lance. You know, like Lance Armstrong getting tested for a tour de France. Like, hey, hey, hey, fucking everybody's on it. You got a dirty sport, man. Like, if you want to take away Lance Armstrong's, what is it? A green shirt or something like that? What do you get? Yellow jersey. for being a bad motherfucker on a bike. If you want to give it to the next person in line. It was like 18th place.

Bill Burr has to put about it. He's like, our psychos better than your psycho. I think that's what it is. You're all bunch of fucking nuts. You're all taking drugs.

Yes. Well, they want to kill him. For sure. They wanted to kill, we're, we're all rough. Whatever his name is, the Russian scientist. They wanted to kill him. That's why he's hiding. He's probably going to have to hide for the rest of his life. I mean, this is just the life he chose. Terrifying, man. Just really terrifying. But also the same thing that happened in China, Beijing Olympics, Chinese want to like, they want so many gold matters.

Imagine juice it up a little baby like you're gonna do the best backflips honey take a little of this and draw 50 Get a big old fucking we're gonna band your feet up really small Who's all your toes so that you can stay on your toe better enough?

Yeah, but that was just for aesthetics, right?

If you ever seen the images of the feet when they bind them, Well, you're about to Jamie. Chinese flip bonding. It's like people do weird shit, man. Like I have friends who have those big ear holes. Like it's okay. Shout out to Boogie, my friend Rich Martinez. It's got big old ear holes.

Bro. Look how her toes are tucked under her feet. So her little toe is tucked under and she stands on her toenail and it's dug into a groove in her foot. Just goes to show you how flexible people aren't pliable. Like, look at her. There's her standing around where her husband is like, hmm, still too big. Look at that. That's so nasty. Look at her feet, man. That's a little juice for her. Go back to another picture of her with her feet out. That's crazy, man. Imagine doing that to yourself. That has to hurt like hell. She's looking down on them.

Oh, yeah, to get to that.

Well, that's, it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy that they do that and look at those little tiny shoes that she's wearing. It is absolutely crazy, but it's almost crazier with these to do the heads. Like an ancient cultures where they would flatten heads out to make them look like aliens and stretch them out. Have you seen any of that?

Yeah, when they were young, they would take babies. And while the children were young, and this is a really freaky thing when they started finding these skulls, they were like, what are we looking at? Are these aliens? They were trying to figure it out because your skull is a lot more pliable than you think, especially when you're young.

So they developed this thing where they would put like planks on the side of the kid's head fucking clamp it down, and they would stretch their head out.

I don't know, man. I think it's I don't know.

Yeah. And it's super bad for the neck when you take that shit off your neck. Your head's going to fall for sure. Like that's holding your head up now. Sure. They probably snore terrible too. Right. Yeah. Those rings. You got anything for me?

Look at that waist. That's so gross.

It's crazy. Yeah. Oh, that's dark. Oh. Yeah, I know.

Nurse Rachel, Filipino lady, she was explaining that to us. That's one of the reasons why people like Glutethion. Glutethion apparently can make your skin lighter in some doses. What else is Glutethion for? Glutethion is something that helps you recover from alcohol. It helps your body process alcohol a little bit better. It's got a bunch of functions. I'm the wrong person to ask. It's real good for you. You want a liposomal glutathione. It's the best in terms of like unless you get IV. You could take it as a supplement. But it's good for it. It actually helps you get over hangovers in shit. It doesn't completely do it, but it gives you like a little extra boost.

They're giving you good a thigh on if you ask for it. Yeah, you should ask for it. If you want to get one of them hotel IV jammies. Jamie and I get one once a week. Right. Yeah, we get IV vitamin drip and we get an AD. It's an AD. An AD. You think I fucked up that Gregorica guy's name up when we fuck up an AD for you.

What does it do? It actually helps keep you younger and helps keep your body performing younger and maybe even lengthens your telemires. Telemires which are an indication or an indicator of your age as your telemires get older. They get smaller. They get shorter. And this stuff apparently can somehow another lengthen it. And ADS 2 general sets of reactions in the human body. What does ADS stand for? Does it say what it stands for? It means something. It's like short fruit.

I know it's a four. Mean something. That's a name. Does it, can you Google what does NAD mean? Oh, there it is. Nickel, Tinada, mind, and the name. Die, nucleotide.

I'm tired, don't know. You read that way better than I would. I used my monkey brain and now I'm tired. Helps turning nutrients into energy as a key player and metabolism and working as a helper molecule for proteins that regulate other cellular functions.

You get it. They sell it. People can get it. It's not cheap, but it's very good for it. You feel great. Yeah. It's just I'm getting old and I'm willing to try anything. When you have like 52 and you still like working out, you're like, okay, what do I have to do? What else you got out of? What do I have to do? What's the do do? Yeah, and I'm only willing to do so much because if you're like, well, you got a drink water and no more alcohol forever. I'm like, huh, or, or what's the other option? I live less, but I enjoy it more.

I have a complex life. I need a little booze every now and then. I really do. I need a break. I need a break from responsibilities. I need a break from anxiety. I need a break from just thinking from people's opinions, from war, from chaos, from arguments.

The people that don't are fascinating. What are you doing with all that?

Started getting into. I've got something here. I've got something here. What have you got there Joseph? This book that I've been reading. It's called Breath. It's by this guy James Nestor, fascinating shit on the importance of breathing exercises. Really fascinating. Really fascinating.

Um, for all sorts of things. For you know, it's one of the things that Wim Hof has always said about breathing exercises that you actually can enhance your immune system and thank you sir. Regulate your metabolism. This guy's an upcoming guest. So I just got into it last night. But I'm fucking loving it. Oh, yeah.

Uh, I didn't read that you had a boxing career.

I know you. And I took it.

I knew about your fights.

Are you are you able to fully train right now? Like what what is the rules?

Do you have, is everybody have to distance? Like hit a bag, six feet apart from each other?

Okay, so you got nice piece of property there.

You know, a lot of gyms are starting to open up now and just kickboxing or a shadow boxing and hitting the bags and things along those lines.

That's beautiful. I'm happy to hear that. And I'm happy to hear you're able to open again. I think that's awesome. That shit is no joke, man. It's no joke.

To big part of why people are so angry right now. Right? Because, you know, there's a lot of people out there that, you know, maybe they do spin or maybe they do whatever the fuck they've been doing. They can't do it right now. They can't do any of it.

Through no fault of their own.

Well, the dirty spot is if they don't bail out the, the airlines. The airlines are not going to employ all those people and then everyone's fucked even further. So they look at that like this is something we need because we need it for business. We need it for people to be a little travel around. We need these planes running. We're not going to be able to do it ourselves. But the dirty secret is there's not enough money to fix everything. There's not enough money to pay all the people. All the money that we're making during the time off.

But as employees a lot of his employees are coming back to work because they make more money on unemployment than they were actually earning working there and they don't have to go back to work because they could say they're scared of COVID. Listen, I get it. If I was one of those dudes, I'd be like, hey man, I don't know how to die from cooking pizza bitch.

I don't want to get it. Especially if you're a fat guy, I mean, like I just hang out at home and play Call of Duty and get paid more or risk my life to make pizza.

Well, the other friend of the super test is antibodies though. They test. That's how they find out. They do an antibody test. And then they say, oh, you did have COVID-19. But look, I had a buddy of mine who came in here who was fucking convinced. He's like, I know I had it. I was so sick. Nothing. Nothing. It was like, what?

Well, inconclusive makes sense if you're testing fruit and positive might make sense if it's really contagious to animals. If they're you're in an area that has a high concentration of people that have the disease or you don't you just think it's just to this fucking scratch take it.

So you just think it's what do you think those people are dying of just another cold

But you know that COVID-19, the thing, is a real thing. I know it's a real thing. Okay. I know it's a real thing. So you know these people are dying in a way that's not consistent with dying from the flu, right? Some of them are dying real weird ways. Yeah. Yeah.

But you a little bit like this is not that much different from the flu that we do, we should have killed our society.

Right. And how do we get it back? How do we get the world back? How do we get it back to normal? No one knows. There's no real group. No one. No one. No clue. And he's a thing though. This is one thing in support of like those hardcore business folks, like they're the ones who want this shit back to normal more than anybody, right? They're in like deep shit right now. That's why the economy's still doing so well. That shows you how bullshit the economy is. The stock market is doing great. The stock market. There's days where the stock market's up. I'm like, how? Well, show me your math. How is your stock market up?

Let's call the World Health Organization because the who is awesome. Right, right, right. You know? Come on man. I'm a child of the 80s. The who is a way. There are kings.

The saddest one was when he said that the only reason we told people not to wear masks is because we didn't have any. On the other side.

It's also they're learning on the job. You know, they're trying to figure out what this thing is and isn't on the job. And they can't just be honest. You know, and say they, you know, we made mistakes. This is what we thought. You know, now we think differently. But people died sorry. You know, they can't say that.

And I come in New York, right? New York's quote, that's a dark choice, man.

Well, not only did he get caught, but he also did a video of him coming out of the basement for the first time. That's it.

That's it. I agree with you. Fuck off. That said, I've worked until vision and I guarantee you that was a producer's decision. That was some network executive that wanted a video of him coming out and they had already got it planned and he just fucking jetted over to the Hampton's check out a spot where he's going to build his dope house.

And so he goes up the stairs like, here I am!

I feel for him in that situation. I feel for him because I guarantee you that was some jackass from the network that had this idea to come out of the basement. You just the theatrical thing.

They didn't have to do that.

Well, that's why podcast work. because nobody's doing that kind of shit on podcasts. They realize you don't have to. You don't have to pretend. To say, yeah, I'm under the Hamptons, probably shouldn't, but I stay away from everybody. My wife's already around me anyway. And some dude in the bike came by and he was being a dick. I was like, yeah, bro. Just looking at my house spot. I'm building a dope house. You bike riding dick fuck.

He was, you know, he was an interesting case to apparently was saying at nighttime. It gets really bad. But when he was on television, he looked great. Okay, it's bad at night.

Yeah, he's a weird one. I don't know if he's told me truth or what the deal is.

Very smart. That's for sure smart dude. Very intelligent guy. But you know, he's if you're a person that questions any aspect of COVID, you're immediately pushed into this area of someone who can't be trusted, can't listen to them. Got a silence. I'm very conspiracy theory. Dude, they were saying that about Elon. They were telling us like the Elon podcast never trended and Which I'm not asking I don't give a fuck like if it trends if it doesn't create I appreciate YouTube I appreciate this platform. I really do I really do but I think When something gets 11 million downloads in a day, and there's a bunch of other videos that don't get nearly as much, but that one's not trending. Like, why isn't it trending? And how much that has to do with his opinions on things that aren't sanctioned, and one of his opinions on things was the perspective on COVID that keeping people locked up as a mandatory thing. that is not good. It's not what this country was founded on and we should quarantine people who are sick and he's smart as fuck and he made a lot of sense and people don't want to hear that because they want to hear Fauci tell you where a mask or don't wear a mask or I mean these people these these people are health experts But we proven that they've been wrong about multiple things.

Right. But if you have a video with Fauci and it gets 11 million views, that motherfucker will trend guaranteed. I guarantee you. You can't do that. You shouldn't do that. I shouldn't say you can't do that because you obviously can't even do that. But you shouldn't do that because it's not good. The best way to figure out who's right when someone who, especially in retrospect, you know, hindsight's 2020, but we're looking back three months at all the times, the things are wrong, all the mistakes that were made. In January, the World Health Organization literally said it can't be transmitted from person to person according to China. That's what they literally said. They put it out on a tweet, okay? Give them that. Doesn't look, everybody may mistakes. But because of that, you can't silence people who have contrary opinions. Because of the fact that you have all these people that are experts in their field that have made mistakes. You cannot discount someone who's clearly a fucking super genius who's also looking at this from an additional perspective. Here's another perspective. Here's why don't we just quarantine the people that are at risk? Why don't we quarantine people who are overweight, quarant instead of a whole population? Then, step two, let's figure out what the fuck this is and how to take care of it and take care of everybody. But give people the opportunity if they choose to take a risk. to take the risk. You can't force them to tank their business.

This is why. Because we thought it was going to be way worse. We thought it was going to be worse than it is. We thought it was going to burn through the population and kill 10% of everyone. Sometimes those things happen and sometimes they morph, right? They evolve. Viruses can change. They can change as they're going from person to person and they really believe that the virus that we got on the west coast here is actually lighter than the virus they got on the east coast. They think the virus that came from Europe is probably more deadly. and the virus that came here. Why? I don't know. But there's a bunch of other factors that they never take into consideration. You never hear people talking about vitamin D, going outside, taking care of yourself. Those people on the other side, man, those people in the West Coast, their East Coast, rather, they don't get any sun. Do you ever live in New York?

Oh, gross. And also in those subways, everybody's breathing everybody else is there. There's no way around it. You have to breathe their air. But the big thing, like, you know, I lived in Boston. I lived in Newton when I was a kid. And I remember Newton was a nice place, beautiful, beautiful neighborhood. But I remember the winter time was so depressing. Just look up at the sky and it was just gray. You couldn't see anything. You couldn't see any sun. I mean, the sun came through the clouds, but you never saw a blue sky. Like for months at a time, it was just gray. And everybody would get bummed out and people would get real shitty with each other.

Yeah, having a day off and it's raining sucks. Awful. Yeah. Awful. But not that bad for us because at least we can say, oh, we need this rain.

This is a good rest day. We need this rain. We're going to drought right now. It's real bad. But if you live in Seattle.

Seattle. I love you people. You guys are beautiful. I love your attitude. I don't like the chas situation. I don't think that's wise.

I just want to tell this people see I don't get out. Go. Just go. There's a reason why it's going crazy. It's filled with almost people. Everyone's tired depressed. You don't get any sunlight. It's not good. You need sunlight. That shit's terrible for you. Am I taking the chance? They're doing exact. I was talking about it with, uh, cooling on the war the other day. They're doing exactly the same thing they get mad at when they think about a country. They put up walls. They have borders. They have police and enforcement. They beat the fuck out of people. There's been murders inside. It's not all kumbaya. You know, it's like you just made a shittier, smaller version of a city.

How did that happen? How did that happen? How did that happen? It's live and I'll be playing for sure. That's what it is. Yeah, I mean, that's what it is.

Well, they need to learn, you know, I mean, there's, there's a thing that happens when a lot of these protesters get acquainted with progress, right? Whether it's antitha, or any like, you know, real Marxist, left wing, progressive, socialist movement. They have good intentions, right? And they get lumped in the idea progress. So people let them get away with stuff. They could think, oh, just, They're just, it's, it's, it's gonna work out. It's gonna work out. But they don't have a real plan. These folks don't have a long-term plan. When Seattle gave them that, just backed, it's probably the most brilliant move ever. Like, okay, all you think you can do better? Once you go ahead, it's like, you have kids, right? When your kids go into a little bit of time or shoes. Like, okay, could tell your shoes. Hey, Stan, there for a minute. You want some help? I'll help you because you don't know how to tie your shoes. This is how you do it. You make the bunny ears, you go to the lip, but sometimes you have to let a kid. I bet a particularly boys. I have all girls, but I would imagine with boys even more so. They get a little stubborn. I'm fucking doing them doing dad. And you got to go, oh, okay, do you? Okay, chas.

Good luck. Okay, chas. Six blocks. You guys had two murders inside of them fucking weak.

If you talk to me, my friend Rob Wolfe reached out to me because some folks from the Seattle Police Department reached out to him, they're trying to get their message out. They're trying to figure it out. And the sense that they were saying that the media is not telling the true story. And that the true story is every time, like, the media will show them tear-gassing people. They don't say that they had set up boundaries and they said, you gotta stay out of the precinct, you gotta stay out of this area, you guys, you can't just invade. and every time they put up these boundaries they would push through and then they had to use tear gas they fell to defend their position and then they eventually had to give up the whole precinct and then they had to give up like six blocks and they don't feel like there's a lot of support for their position in the news and they also don't feel like they're they're being given the freedom to defend it properly. They're really, they couldn't. They had to get out of there. That's why those people took it. That's why it's still locked down today. And the mayor's been saying lately, it's time to go home now. But the mayor before gave a fucked up answer of it, like saying that peaceful protest has always been great. And maybe this is the summer of love. Like, oh, OK, good luck, lady. These ideas that get connected with progress, right? So those people who really want better, right? They're angry that George Floyd got murdered, but we all are. normal rational person's angry. They all want a fucking sea change, but we all do. But they decided to see change in six blocks of Seattle that had nothing to do with George Floyd. They just took over and they just took over these buildings. So they basically did what Columbus did. They came and took over an area, but then they did what Trump did. They put up a wall. And then they did what those cops did. They beat the fuck out of people. I mean, they ruined their own idea within a couple of weeks. So it really was like Seattle just going, God, oh, you know how to do better?

Okay. Go ahead. And now they're like, it's time to go home. But there's, you know, there's people in there that are armed. It's not that simple. You know what, I don't know how they think they're gonna get these people out of there. Because you can't even get homeless people out of San Francisco. They basically take it over Portland. Portland's filled with tents. San Francisco's nuts, man. It's nuts. You dropped on the seat and stumped some neighborhoods in San Francisco. You see like multi million dollar houses and there's five tents in front of the house. And like, what is this? What does you can't litter? You can't throw beer cans on the ground. How can we can leave a tent and a fucking little camp stove and a cardboard box filled with bullshit?

Everybody's waiting to fix it.

It's a good question. I don't want to go jail. I don't want to go to jail. So I don't know. Probably hire somebody to clean it up. I don't know what to do. I wouldn't know what to do. What is the law? Can my kid not play in the yard? Because someone threw a fucking heroin needle in the yard, and he's got a tent right there, and if you're in Venice, and you got this little tiny patch of grass where your kid can play, and your kid runs into a heroin needle that someone chucked over the fence. But we have to be progressive. We have to be nice.

The guys who throw Epstein witnesses out of buildings.

It goes in Bitcoin. They buy tacos with it.

It would be crazy if we found out there was some sort of a weird ulterior motive for letting them take over and this has all been planned out in some sort of strange way. People think there's some people think that this civil unrest and that even encouraging the spread of corona would, you know, by letting people protest and not doing anything to stop it is actually some sort of a nefarious attempt to make sure that all the elections are male in ballots so they can monkey with them. Yeah, shenanigans. It does make sense if I was writing a Tom Clancy novel. Yeah. Right? That makes sense. I don't know if it's true, though. Do not can barely pay attention to shit. I do. Yeah. My left switch kicks terrible. Really? Yeah, so much fat. I got you, bro. Move too slow. I got you, bro. So it's too much of a weird, come off balance. I'm concentrating on that. I can't concentrate on chas.

You know it's coming.

Okay. That makes sense. That makes sense. That works.

Some guys don't like to switch, right? Some guys just blast it right from the front leg.

Right. And if they're moving away in a way, then I won't. That's done. Makes sense. What do you think about the low calf kick?

Like, where you like catch a medium one and you're okay. If somebody really slams into your calf, you're fucked.

It fucks it up for a long time, too. The nerve. It's a weird feeling, right?

That was insane. Henry, so who'd over his mind? He might even do the same thing. Same thing. The second fight, same thing. Yeah, it shuts your foot off. It's nuts. And there's not much to do about that. He's a beast, huh? Dude. He's up there, too.

He's up there, man. I want to talk about some of the greats. The guy's a Olympic gold medalist in wrestling. And then two division UFC World Champion. And then smashed Dominic Cruz, smashed TJ Dillishaw, smashed Marlin Mariahs.

EPO, but starving to death. He looked worse on Wayne Day than anyone I've ever seen ever. Next to Travis Looter. But Travis Looter was just trying to dehydrate too much in one day. TJ had eaten himself down to nothing. And then dehydrated himself. He had eaten himself down to nothing. He let his body eat itself. His cheeks were completely shunked in. He looked like he was Like he was found in the woods.

He said he took EPO just to be able to train. He's like he couldn't do anything. But the, you know, it's hard to tell. The Alphabelle guys are like fuck you, you did. Like Cody Garbrand in a press conference for saying, probably you were always taking that shit. So he didn't say, it looks like it's one of those things. It's like, when you get caught with something like that, your whole legacy gets thrown up in the air. People are here. I mean, I'm wondering if they could retroactively test some of the samples.

I don't know. I don't know how long we keep.

Oh, no. They ever got him. I think he had a confess. Really? Don't believe they ever caught Lance.

You might be right. I felt like at the time when he quit though. That wasn't the case. I felt the time it was like he was the walls were closing in on him and he had X teammates testifying everybody was going on. Yeah. Crazy. But again, it's just, well, your whole sports dirty. Like what are they doing now? Are they just remarkably slower? Like, what are they doing? You got a juiced up sport. If you keep the same time, I'm going to be super suspicious.

I know. I thought it was 18th, but you might be right. But it's something crazy like that. It's definitely top 10 or gone.

Yeah, well, that's the old days that you have C2. I mean, you want to go back at the old days of pride for sure. And since anyway, told me they told him on the contract, you will not be tested for starts. He said it was on my toes.

Yeah, pee in this cup, please, it's required. Okay, thanks. Yeah, we got for nothing. Yeah, we tested for drugs, man. That turns out. Tested their piss. It just burn the results.

But when you go and watch those, some of those fights were guys were just like so juiced up. They let Bob sap fight, 375 pounds with abs.

Well, when you're on that kind of juice, I would imagine your whole perspective reality just gets like, throw it into the kind of doses of those, the buckets of testosterone that they're having. I would like to ask, I want to be clean who would tell you, you know, like what, what are you doing during the Minotaur fight? Tell me about those days. Tell me about what, what, what, what, what was going on? Krokop and his legs were just fucking enormous Meanwhile Krokop smashed him even when he was like fully on the shit Krokop dropped him all the guys were on the shit Yeah, you know probably those guys for sure Yeah, well, that was the thing people got real mad at me when I questioned Fedor and like wow Listen, it's not like Russia hasn't been known to do shit like that before When it's in your contract that you're not testing and you're the goat heavyweight you're the goat Yeah, not so much to go anymore once they were testing.

But also years on the clock. There's a lot of fact.

You know, when like when he was fighting like broke up the early days of like fate or versus Croco, it's hard to argue that he wasn't a goat. he's one of those guys like in the heavyweight division there was a few years when random and picked him up and slammed them and then he commored them right afterwards insane yeah there was a there was some fights man when you like that guy's the best he's the fuck right up and he's be a team terrifying due to a very jumping up and down across so he's like imagine like what the fuck this dude's a gorilla He had so much athleticism. He was so fast and so powerful. He knocked out Krokop. Remember that? Left foot. Step in, fake foot can take down. Fake foot into the left hook. Boom! And then finish them off on the ground with nasty hammer fist. It was horrible.

Yeah. Fake the take down. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep. There's been quite a few of those. And random and was like, he was so perfect for that role, because he was the wrestler who was a stud wrestler, but also had crazy speed and power with the punches. Crazy closing the distance power, you know? Like Woodley. Exactly. Go like the Woodley J. Huron fight like those like or Carlos Condy or the Woodley and Robbie Lawler.

Oh my god. Yeah, he would throw bombs man. What a fucking career that guy had. Has had. But how good a Gilbert Burns look man. That was crazy.

If you see the Gilbert Burns that knocked out Damian Maya and you realize like, man, this guy is no joke on the ground, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu World Champion. He's got that sneaky left hook. And also, like, this is a giant opportunity for him. Woodley's an all-time great. If Woodley retires right now, he goes down the books one the all-time great. You have to see champions, or definitely top three well-to-ways of all-time. We're top four.

Oh man, he's such on a kill street, but it's crazy. He's like he really didn't strike until like just a few years ago. I mean, I don't know how many years he's been fighting now, but before that, like just had to learn how strike. He was at you just who got. He doesn't have like a background in kickboxing, but when you watch him fight, he's all about striking.

Dude, do you have drop woodly like that in the first round and swarm them? Like fuck man. And his pace keeps up that pace for five fucking rounds hard.

That's a dangerous move, man. That's a dangerous move. When Cub Swanson blew his knee out and grabbed the quintet, I was like, oh, no. And against Jake Shields, I'm like, hey, dude, Jake Shields is huge. He's a lot bigger than you, man. Yeah. And he got, did you see it? They were like, I didn't see it. It was in a leg lock position. I think he was like reaping. And that's terrible. They were stuck in his bad position and Cub's knee exploded. Yeah, it's, it's just a bad grappling matchup. I mean, I know Cubs a black belt Brazilian jujitsu, but Jake is big. He's a big guy and he's fucking strong and he has a long career as a competitive jujitsu player. if you're a cub and you're like just doing real good like you've had some wicked fights and you got a lot of momentum and then you blow your fucking knee out in this grappling competition like shit and he's like 35 I think in that range like that's a bad time to get injured like that and if you look at it like I'm a fighter and I'm doing this grappling tournament as like a thing a fun thing and you have to go in there like if I have caught in a position and this is not going well I have to know that I'm a fighter not a

Yeah, there was a it was a lot of jujitsu guys Um, in that thing. There's uh, there's something about those leg locks, too. It's like scary way to get hurt because he's like, Yikes, that's gonna be a bad one. You know, when you see someone get heel hooked and they're not tapping quick enough and you see that look in their face like, ah, you're like, oh, you ain't recovering from that one for a long hours time.

It's a real issue because it's not like a lot of room for defense and certain spots, right? He'll hook spots like E like inside he'll hooks bro. You got very little time to make a decision there. Well, are you gonna roll out of this? Are you just gonna tap now and preserve your shit? because you might get ripped apart.

Yeah. For locks and ankle locks. It's a crazy time. You know, and if you look at the professional jujitsu scene, if you look at the top of the food chain, like the Gordon Ryan's and Craig Jones and the guys that nature, they're all known for having nasty leg lock. Well, Craig is an Australian guy, but you have Gordon Ryan, Gary Tonin, who's now a one FC guy.

Yeah, he's fought several times. Yeah, he's fought several times. He's undefeated in MMA. Awesome. Yeah, he's doing a big deal. It is a big deal because you know whenever a guy like you who's a world champion in kickboxing or a guy like him as a world champion grappling makes its way into MMA like your advantage of your specialty is very significant. right like your standing up with someone you're advantage for most guys against you is pretty significant you know if you were just having to kickboxing fight to be very significant right so that's the same thing with grappling with a guy like tone and man he has a whole year shit you got real problems man he's sneaky quick quick did you ever see that video where it was i think it was an obbedobby where he hit this dude with a scissor sweep right into a heel hook and like Tap them in 15 seconds. Oh, yeah, it's like a media. Right. I did see it through his bodyweight sideways and fell right into the heel hook and was immediately cranking on it. And I feel like he has a couple of us.

Well, he's so good defensively. This is not it, but this is similar. He did it on this guy too. That's, that's in just a grappling competition. I think he's done it in MMA as well, but he's so good defensively that he's not really worried like about you catching him when you go to the ground. So he'll do wild shit to get the ground like dive into a flying scissor. You know, because he's like, look, once we go to the ground, my level is so high in comparison to most guys, I could just get away with getting to the ground and weird spots, you know?

Yeah, this is right here. Look at this. Boom. I mean, come on man. Let's do tries to realize things. Tap, tap. I mean, that is nasty, man. He falls right into it, right into it. Bam! Ah! Yeah. The feeling of feeling your shit separate inside your name, you're like, oh God, it's so quick.

And some guys would just let them rip their knee apart. There was a Gary Tone in AJ. How do you say his last name? Eric. I guess I am. I guess I am. Who's also very talented. And Gary Tone and had him in the craziest knee bar where his knee was just fucked. Just bent completely out of place. And he didn't tap. He just let him fuck his knee up. It's nasty to watch too.

I don't think he was out for that long. Believe it or not. Yeah. I think he just dealt with the fact that shit was ripped up and he had a shout us to him.

He really good. He's super talented on the ground. Really good. And again, in comparison, like he can hang in there with guys like Tony and in comparison to the average of a May fighter, he's going to have a significant advantage for sure. See if you can fight the fun that Gary Tony taps out. His name is tough to say. There it is. So look, look how bad his knee is. Dude, look at that. That is so bad. That is so bad. Look how far back that's going. And Agazon just handles it. Just deals with it. He's like, I don't go fuck. Good, break my shit. Like he's literally letting him fuck his knee up. Look how bad. But something we see that one more time. Look how bad that thing is bent. Look at that. Bro, that's bad.

And look how red Gary's face is. Holy shit. Gary's trying to murder everyone he's ever met. Huh? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's bending the wrong way. Yeah.

Yeah, that is his, his knee is getting ripped apart there.

Not good. Super duper, not good. And he's like, fine, fine, fine, fine. Lift his hands up, fine. Some people are just tough, man. They can handle getting their leg ripped apart. I've seen it. John Jones did it against Vitor. Vitor ruined his arm. Ruined his arm. Vitor got him in a full-on arm bar, fully hyper-extended. And John's like, fuck you. I'm not tapping. Like, you do whatever you want with that thing. I got this one over here.

Yeah, Frank, me here. And then the only person that saved his entire fucking career was Herb Dean. Herb, dude, he was like, hey, hey, hey, your arms broken. It's a come on, bro. Yeah, it's like, let me fight.

Well the audience was booing and so I said you got to show these people the video. We got to see this video and you know the audience was booing and then they put it up on the big screen and then when they put it up on the big screen the moment you see it snap people with oh Here through the whole crowd like oh It was the worst broken arm I've ever seen up to that point

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Oh. Still feel the tendons ripping apart.

Yeah, that's the rough thing about jujitsu, man. If you break something, you're like, well, now I'm out for six months. If I'm lucky,

These motherfuckers in their big moments.

But that is a problem with a professional fighter always training with civilians. You never you never know you're not vetting these people. They're like there might be bad cops like if no Back cops are a lot of trained G.J.T. too. If you're in a fucking place and there's a guy who has that bad cop mentality and he happens to be a brown belt

No, that is a lie. This is so scary to get pulled over. You want, you want good cops, that's why. We want good cops, cops are important. And I know there's a lot of them. I think there's more good cops and bad. I really believe that. I think it's just an insanely hard job. And I think they're held to a standard that they should be held to because it's a life or death situation. It's a standard where your entire job is you're dealing with conflict. Conflict is very rare for people, right? For regular people, not like you, you fight, you know, you're pretty good at conflict. But for regular folks, they don't come into physical conflict on a regular basis. It's very rare. For a cop, it's every day. That's your overloading your system. So if you have this guy who's already a little wacky, and then you put him into a everyday conflict situation, and then he's got seven years on a job, who knows how nuts that guy is by the time he does something stupid.

You can't even ask them. You can't ask them. You gotta make them carry the boat. I think they should all go through bud training.

Find out if they're exceptional. Find out if there's something about them that separates them from a regular person. Well, if not, we'll guess what. You haven't gone in a fucking badge and the ability to pull somebody over and tell them what to do and shoot people. That takes you out of the realm of a normal person. If you want to be a non-normal person, you have to show the qualifications of a non-normal person. And I think most of them can do it. They could do it. And if they listen to Jocco, they let Jocco willing take over the training and just make sure everybody does 20% training, we can radically reduce a lot of the interactions with people. They're negative.

They do need to see that. And that's why even the people that are mad and they don't like you now and they're pissed off of you. I hope they understand your perspective. And that's why I wanted to first of all, I love you. So I want to have you on. So it's love senior. But I wanted to have you on because I know, I know that this means something to you. This is not just like some celebs cause. Like we're talking about that goofy video that those people made. You know, like, I'm, I'm going to be held accountable. I'm going to part of the problem. No, you're, you're doing that. Not for the likes. You're losing people, man. I know people are falling off your, they're mad at you. But you're doing it because you mean it means something to you and you actually care and you want people to know. Like this is a fucking real problem. And it's a problem with black people for sure. It's also a problem with just people. This better not get lost in this conversation, this message. For sure. I'm down with police reform everywhere, for sure, for sure. Whether it's Black Lives Matter or whatever's happening, we need some police reform. We need them to be held accountable. They need to be held accountable for women, for old men, for everybody. You can't just do that. You can't just behave that way. They need to be held accountable.

Well, why people that discount racism or the most hilarious? It's ridiculous. Well, that's easy to say. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's some The idea that it doesn't exist is pretty silly and the idea that all cops are good is also pretty silly. All people are not good. It's too hard. It's too hard to be a person. It's hard.

You're not a bad guy Joe showing you just want to be really held accountable. I just want to be held accountable. Because you're a bad motherfucker and you want bad motherfuckers to be cops. That's right. There you go, not bitch ass dudes. Not bitch ass dudes. That's what it is straight up. That's really clear. That's like that's a respectful position.

100%. That's so important. It's like one of the things you would tell people, if you were talking to a kid and he was like, do you think, do you think I should do martial arts for self defense?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. There's something about like, like, you would admit to this, right? There's people that get good at you just so that would never get good at striking.

You've got to go into the danger zone, son. Right. You can stay out of the danger zone with your Jitsu. You can do live drills. You can do a lot of things, but there's sparring is sparring. You know, and the first time some guy fucking punches you in the face and you see stars and your nose starts running and your eyes are watering you're like, oh my god.

But when that shit happens, when that shit happens, it's real. And in jujitsu, you get to go again. And Jiu Jitsu guy catches you. We all get caught. You guy gets you in a arm bar. Okay, tap. And you can go right again. If someone flatlines you, you're fucked for the day. You're not, this is not a normal thing for your body to experience.

Or you could be a Justin Gachy who can somehow or another ignore those lights. There's dudes that just ignore those lights. They don't mean shit. That guy comes down. I just looks at you like this. Just dead faced.

Yeah, he looks like a guy who would be ice cold. Ice. Those guys excel. Those guys excel because how much of a factor is it is dealing with the anxiety?

And I'm like, did he warm up?

Cross training. Yeah. Who's he got there? Ten means, all ten means. Sorry, ten. Yeah, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny skinny Yeah, there's guys like that out there, but it almost is like cross-training. Like prison is like mental cross-training.

Like, if you get a gun at that, and he comes to Gitu, and he comes from gymnastics, you're like, oh shit. Like, you never done Gitu ever? Like, dude, you're gonna get good quick. You're a gymnast. If you get some guy who does the rings, you know, imagine how good he's gonna be at Gitu. Yes. Yeah. What are those motherfuckers? How good is that going to be? He's pushing off hips and shit. And that's the kind of the same way you would think about a guy who's been in a lot of street fights and prison fights. Like the anxiety aspect of fighting. As long as you have the athletic aspect as well, but having that anxiety alleviation of being known how to keep your shit together.

Like he's happy. Ooh, that's crazy. It sees it when they're on. Yeah, it's fucking terrifying. Bad place to be. Joe Shelling, we did three hours already. Yeah, time flies. Time flies, stuff. Don't don't feel in any way like you said anything negative. You were a hundred percent right. Everything you said, all that shit you put on your Instagram, it doesn't mean you're a bad person or your anti-cop. You just don't want to see the disgusting shit that you keep posting over and over again.

Yeah, and don't defund the police. Please.

They're probably not any tanks. Good bye, everybody.

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