Transcript for #1693 - Evan Hafer

Hello, Evan.

Cheers to coffee, seems odd.

Shout out to still Austin. Kind of that is good. It is good stuff.

I think, you know, maybe just the, the, the name. I really have no idea.

Well, when people were attacking you, I got butt hurt. I was like, come on, Evan. Fuck outta here. I was like, I gotta have you in. It was so weird to see cancel culture come from the right. I was like, I didn't know it worked that way. I didn't know you fucking idiots would do the same shit. Like, what was going on? It didn't make sense. It made no sense. It was the weirdest dog pile I've ever watched.

Yeah, I so what was the the New York Times article was like black rifle coffee is the Starbucks of the right is that how they described it? Can they be oh? Can they be the start of the right and where was the negative part of that did you read the article? I

So what was the times take on the company?

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Well, I've known you guys for years and I knew you guys when the company wasn't nearly as big. So I've seen the progress and I've seen the work. I've seen your factory. Yeah. I've gone to the place in Salt Lake where you showed me the the fucking the coffee roaster that you guys fabricated together and told me the story about it and It's not luck. Like anybody who says it's luck doesn't know you or is willfully misrepresenting the truth in order to paint a narrative that they already had established before they started the article.

So when the article comes out and you read their take on it, did you anticipate that there was going to be blowback? No. You thought, like, okay, it's just another hit piece. Was it all negative? Anything positive in it?

So they're trying to portray you in a certain light.

It's not just that. It's also editors.

You have a good friend of mine who used to be a writer over there. And she was explaining to me what it's like to write there. And what it's like when you turn a story in how they change words, she was explaining words that they changed and phrases that they changed and things that she was trying to depict, they wouldn't let her.

So I found out about this because I follow all kinds of people on Twitter. I follow right wing, left wing, I follow all kinds of people. And I started seeing some weird shit from right wing, plea people. that we're saying black rifle coffee, shit none of their fans, and throwing their business away, and I was like, what is this coming from? I was interested, but not enough to read the article. It's like, I don't, I'm not that interested, but I was like, this is a very weird take. And then you and I talked on the phone about it and it was like, what, you know, someone needs to just sit down with you and who better than me?

Specifically those. After the kid, what does his name again? like the kid was wearing the black rifle for sure. Yeah, Kyle written. Kyle written house. Yeah. When he was standing in the kitchen with Ricky Schroeder after he got released, he was wearing a black rifle, coffee shirt. Which is like standard tactical bro outfit, black rifle, coffee shirt, you know, G-Shock watch, you know what I mean? It's like, and he, you know, this is the kid that showed up at a rally with, what do you have in the AR?

Yeah, because it's no one is going to listen past the first take. The first take is black rifle coffee shits on their friends. And then people start barking. They're not looking into it. The information that people get the overwhelming amount of information that people get in a daily basis. Almost like

And if you care about conservatism, if you care about it succeeding, you want to eliminate all the problematic ideas that are associated with it. Correct. That's one that's associated with racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, all those things are associated with it. I should just tell people, when I went to visit you in Salt Lake years ago, You have a ton of folks you brought over from Afghanistan working at your factory when you saved their lives and brought them over to America when they were in trouble when they were being chased down because they worked with US troops over there.

It is incredible. And I think stories like that, the only way to tell story like that is to just tell it. I don't think someone writing it is ever going to capture all of the fascinating aspects of it, all of the inspirational aspects of it, the human aspects of it. You know, this is what I know about you guys. So when I see the first of all were friends, But also, like, when I see someone misrepresenting a company that I think is one of the most noble companies that I've ever come across, that the amount of time that you guys spent trying to help first responders, military police, I know what you guys do. So when I see misrepresented by conservatives, and I'm not even conservative. So I see that shit and I'm like, what you fucking idiots? What are you doing? You're doing the same thing that you accuse of people on the left, you're doing. It's all nuts.

But it shows you how easy someone gets smeared, even a company that's as impeccable, has such an impeccable reputation as yours can get smeared online in this weird climate. And part of me is like, well, what I would like to think of some grand conspiracy involved, right? But I think it's more of that The way people communicate on social media is so ineffective and shitty. It's such a bad way to disseminate ideas. It is. It's not a bad way to get headlines out there. Like, you know, bombs dropped on Syria. Okay. That's like show some footage. Okay, here it is. But like even like video clips of you pay attention to there was a cop that was frisking a guy. pulled an empty baggy out of his pocket and threw it in the back seat of a car. Just pulled the baggy out and chucked it in the car while he's frisking this guy and it's like you just planted evidence in the car and then the the cop explains it. No, I didn't. First of all, the baggy's empty. Second of all, he had it in his pocket and you see his camera, where cops camera pulled this baggy out of his guy's pocket and dropping the back seat of the car. They took the clip of the cop throwing the baggy in the car and the other guy saying you just planted evidence and then all throughout the internet like look at this evidence of this cop planting this fucking baggy in this guy's car oh my god these cops are pieces shit they were trying to set this guy up And everybody started attacking the police, everybody started attacking. This is why people don't trust the police. And I saw it just shared thousands of times. And then the full video came out. And in the full video, you actually see the police officer explaining it. You see exactly what happened. And you're like, fuck, this is social media and a nutshell. This is the madness of how people exchange information online. It's a bad way to communicate. It's a bad way to go back and forth. It's not designed for human beings. No. It's like human beings trying to interface with something that's devoid of emotion and it's devoid of context. It's devoid of social cues and the normal interactions between two human beings. This episode is brought to you by Vivo barefoot. Let me tell you something you might not know. Ever wondered why your feet are shoe-shaped and not foot-shaped? All that fancy underfoot technology and conventional shoes is actually making our feet weak and shoe-shaped, which ultimately restricts natural foot function and can cause all sorts of injuries in your knees, hips, back, which all funds an orthotics industry worth over $3.5 billion. The question is, how do we break the cycle? The most advanced technology ever to be put in a shoe is the human foot. It's a biomechanical masterpiece. meat, vivo barefoot. They don't make shoes. They make footwear that lets your feet be feet naturally. Studies show that wearing vivo barefoot improves balance and increases foot strength by 60% within six months from wearing them. Unleash your natural potential for the ground up, go to www.vivoberafoot.com-jo-rogan to learn more and get 20% off your first VVos with the code JR20. This episode is brought to you by By simply safe, no one deserves to feel unsafe in their own home. Get a peace of mind with simply safe. Is advanced home security that puts you first? And these guys are some of the best in the business. They were named US News and world reports best home security system for five years running. And I think part of that is because simply safe has some of the most advanced systems out there with 24-7 professional monitoring and low upfront costs. Believe it or not, they have monitoring plans for less than a dollar a day. Picture this. You've been traveling for days. You come home to see your house has been broken into everything's a mess. They took off a lot of your valuables. And now your home doesn't feel as secure as it did before. With simply safe, that might have been avoided. Their systems and agents could have helped stop the crime in real time. Using this smart alarm, wireless indoor camera, they could have seen, spoken to, and even deterred the burglars while sending the police. and you get to go on with your life knowing that simply save has you covered. It's time to get the protection that you deserve. Try out simply save today, risk free. Right now, the listeners of this podcast can get an exclusive 20% discount on a new system with fast-protect monitoring. Just go to simply save.com slash rogan. That's simply save.com slash rogan. There's no save like simply save.

No, in this past year and a half, unfortunately, because of the pandemic, there's much more distance between people in terms of people aren't getting together as, well, at least they weren't for a long time to kind of do it now, but they, they were not getting together and talking. The people were sharing things through phones and most of the communication was through text. They're not even calling you, right? And then zoom, like people are having zoom meetings and shit. So it's like the disconnect, I was like thinking about it. Like if there was a, if you had an artificial intelligence that was trying to get human beings to abandon everything that makes you human. Like what better way than a virus that makes you scared of other people? What better way than forcing people into their homes, making other people actually dangerous to be around. And then visible thing. It's not like even a person has a weapon on them, right? It's an invisible thing that they might have, like a demon that leaps from their body and can kill your grandma. Right? So you literally scared of people. So you put masks on. You can't see people's facial expressions. People wearing gloves. They're hiding. They're socially distancing. You're keeping it far away from each other as you can. It's almost like it was, I know it wasn't. But it's almost like, like, if you had, like, a super intelligent robot. It was like, we got to figure out a way to get people to be at each other's next room and more. This is the way to do it. Make a disease that's invisible, that transmits through the air and people have to stay away from each other and there's no cure and everybody's panicking and then spread a bunch of misinformation about how it spreads, it spreads on surfaces and it'll last up to two weeks. Oh, and you spray everything down with light saw and everybody's in a panic and then because people are scared, There's a giant percentage of our population out there that has never experienced any adversity. They do not know how to handle stress, they don't know how to handle being uncomfortable, they don't know how to, so as soon as anything that comes their way that they can bark at, anything, this state, this constant state of being perturbed, and then anything that comes their way of fuck black rifle You know, fuck this guy and fuck that guy and that's what everybody does. Yeah. And then people pile on. People with also limited information. They all chime in and then they, you know, you're writing it in a tweet. You're using a, you know, a fucking hundred characters. Yeah. And you're, you're, you're barking at each other and and you're pretending that this is normal communication. It's like the worst way to communicate ever.

I don't think they believed that. I think they want people to like, put a like next to their comment. I stopped using Twitter during the pandemic. Yes, you're right. I occasionally will retweet something I find interesting. I never post anything, rarely post anything. One time I post it. over the whole pandemic so and build a blasio the this fucking dipshit mayor of New York City made this video about bringing the arts back to New York City that this is how we're going to revitalize the city this is a city that it's been economically crippled by his policies right defund the police crimes at an all-time high people are looting and smashing stores on fifth avenue he's like let them do it let them get it out of their system you literally creating a total climate of lawlessness. And then the way he's going to revitalize the city is he puts out this video about bringing back the arts. I don't have you ever seen it? No. It's amazing. And it's a video where it's like the most uncoordinated dancing. with the worst music you've ever heard and he's standing there talking about we got to bring back the arts and it starts here we're gonna have street performances and these people are dancing and it's it's I and I just wrote how the fuck is this real that's all I posted because it came across my face and I was like I got out I just I'm gonna post this there was the only thing I posted other than like reposing interesting articles it's even you find it because it's so it's so dumb that's

You need to watch this. I'm gonna pull it back for the beginning. Do it for the beginning. Give me some volume.

Our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is our cultural community is

And this is the same guy that just passed this fucking law in New York City where you have to have a vaccine passport to go everywhere. You have to have a vaccine to go to a restaurant, to a gym, to any place where people gather, it is crazy. And meanwhile, the biggest percentage of people that don't have vaccines or have been vaccinated are people of color. So this guy, people of color and immigrants. He's always supposed to be pro, you know, pro people of color, pro diversity, pro immigration. Those are the people that don't have vaccines. And now you're precluding them from going to gyms and restaurants and what about the people working in the restaurants? What about all these? It's fucking madness and then you have a bunch of people that are supporting it like yay finally Meanwhile, you have science is coming out there's legitimate articles Jamie I'll send this to you now There's legitimate because doctors have been sending me these things and you know, this is neither pro nor con vaccine. I'm not this is not a judgment statement, but imperfect vaccination can enhance the transmission of highly virulent pathogens. So this is a scientific paper from 2000 and 15 that shows that Here's what important quote. Vaccines that keep the host alive, but still allow transmission can thus allow virulence strains to circulate in a population. vaccines that don't kill the virus, vaccines that allow people, like this is one of the things we're finding out about what they're calling breakthrough cases. So people who are vaccinated can still get COVID and they can still transmit COVID is recently happening at the Comedy Store, a vaccinated comedian gave COVID to like 12 different fucking people to Comedy Store. Some of them vaccinated, some of them not. That situation where the vaccine just kind of protects you from serious damage, but it protects you from really being like badly hospitalized or death, but doesn't stop you from getting the virus can possibly lead to more potent viruses. So these people that are saying, oh, it's these unvaccinated people that are responsible for the variance. Well, there's actually scientific papers that point to the very sort of environment that we're creating by having so many people vaccinated with a vaccine that doesn't kill off the virus. It actually can lead to more potent viruses. Try finding that story anywhere. Other than doctors, I'm getting PhD sending me these things. Guys who won't speak about it publicly, because they're worried about the blowback. People who are physicians, people who are even epidemiologists, even people that deal with diseases and viruses, they're concerned. And they don't want to talk about it publicly, because people call them anti-vaccine. Oh, yes. It's really wild out there.

And it also just got us to doing that yesterday. You see the video?

Yeah, it had no mask on hanging out with everybody and then they go take a picture. She puts the mask on and then takes it off after the picture's done.

Yeah, because it comes to the pandemic.

I know smart people that are applauding it. It's so strange. And the problem with applauding vaccine passports, this is part of the problem. They are not going to give that power up. No. They're not going to. They're going to find a reason to continue to use that. If they can figure out a way to force you into carrying papers into carrying something that lets you enter businesses or lets you do this or lets businesses open, as soon as you give politicians power and any kind of power that didn't exist previously, historically they don't relinquish that power. They find new reasons to use it.

Yeah, makes their job easier. They can just tell you to shut the fuck up. Do what I say and you have to, you know, you can't work anymore unless you do what I say. That's essentially with a vaccine passport. Right. You can't do what you want to do unless you do what I want you to do. I mean, Don Lemon was talking about that openly on CNN. Yeah. Don't have a vaccine. Can't go to Supermarket. Don't have a vaccine. Can't go to work.

They don't understand human beings. They don't understand human nature. They don't understand the history of every single country that's ever existed other than the United States. Up until 1776, every fucking country that has ever existed was run by dictators. All of them. This is the first one where you had elected officials. This is the first experiment in self-government that actually worked and he created the greatest superpower of the world's ever known. He created the greatest cultural machine, the greatest machine of art and creativity and innovation right fucking here. And how did it do that? It did it through freedom. Because when you give people freedom, you let people do whatever the fuck they want to do. They actually find ways to succeed and grow and thrive. But as soon as you put the boots to them, As soon as you tell them, you have to do this or you can't do that. You have to listen to me now you have a mini dictator. You have one step away from a king. You have a one step closer. You're moving one step closer to dictatorship. That's what the fuck is happening. That's what's gonna happen with a vaccine passport. That's what's gonna happen if They close borders. You can't enter New York City unless you have your papers. You can't go to here unless you have that. You can't got on a plane unless you do what I say. And people say, whoa, it's all about protecting people from them. No, it's not. It's not because we've shown. This is a fact. Just a couple of months ago, the idea of a breakthrough case was unheard of. Nobody heard of anybody catching COVID that had a vaccine, right? That was the whole idea. You get a vaccine. You have to worry about it. Now we know not only do you get it, but you can spread it. And some people have died. Apparently it's a small number. I don't know what the numbers are, but I know that most people who get vaccinated when they do have the disease, they have a better time of it than the people who are unvaccinated. But where are the people out there calling for people to get healthy? Where are the people out there calling for people to lose weight? 78% of the people in the ICU for COVID are obese. 78%. Where is that information being shared? Where's someone who's a leader who gets on TV and says lazy gentlemen, we've got to decrease our body mass. We've got to decrease our fat. We've got to make sure that people aren't overweight. We've got to make sure that people are healthy. Walk around your block. You don't have to do something complicated. Start drinking more water. Stop eating sugar. Start taking vitamins. You can increase the strength of your immune system. We can fight things off better. We can be a healthier civilization. Better for everybody, right? You don't hear a peep. All you hear is take this vaccine that doesn't even prevent you from getting the disease or you can't go to the sauna, wherever the fuck you want to go. You can't go to the Broadway show. It's madness. It's madness. It really is madness because if it was a vaccine that really is like a like here's a like it's more of a treatment than it is a vaccine really if you look at it because you're saying you need a booster now every six months look if you get vaccinated for polio you get vaccinated for the measles you don't have to worry about it anymore you're good This is not that. This is a totally different kind of thing. And it's a completely new kind of vaccine. The idea that people shouldn't be skeptical or nervous about that is kind of hilarious.

They typically know what's going on and they're they're a great example because that show breaking points. You got Sager who's on the right and Crystal who's on the left, but they're good friends. They get along well and they're both super honest and objective. Rational and intelligent and they can discuss all the finer points of these issues. Honestly, openly and it's It's why they're thriving. It's why CNN, like some of their shows, they get 100,000 views in the key demographic. Less than 100,000 even. That's crazy. Since Trump is out of office, they don't have a boogey man. Their boogey man is unvaccinated people. That's what they're doing. Their boogey man is different things they can attack. This episode is brought to you by Dr. Squatch. I'm going to let you in on a secret. If you want to be more confident, you have to start taking care of yourself. And a great way to do that is use Dr. Squatch, especially with their new private hygiene products. They were designed to help you look and feel fresh all over. like the growing guardian trimmer. It's perfect for grooming above and below the waist and the ball barrier dry lotion helps manage sweat and chafing while beast wipes keep you clean front to back. It's the care your body deserves. Try them today, whether you're new to Dr. Squatch or you use it every day, get 15% off your order by going to Dr. Squatch.com slash JRE15 or use the code JRE15 at checkout. This episode is brought to you by Moan. Homes are a big investment. You want to protect them from fires, break-ins, and especially water. Water damage is a lot more frequent. And something is small as a leaky pipe can lead to big problems down the road. And it can also be hard to detect. since you know most pipes are hidden behind a wall. That's why you guys need the mowing smart water monitor and shut off. It's a device that can automatically shut down your home's water when a leak is detected and it also works 24-7 monitoring and tracking your home even when you're not there. It'll alert you through the app at the first sign of a leak, providing ultimate peace of mind and security. Learn more and buy the moan smart water monitor and shut off at moan.com slash flow. And right now, use the code Rogan to get 5% off free shipping and a free leak detector. That's code Rogan at m-o-e-n.com slash f-l-o. Automatic shut off in real time alert capabilities will operate when the device is configured with the proper settings.

I have a thought, and I think that news should be free. Yeah. I think not only should it be free, I think it should be subsidized. by the people so that the salaries of all the people that are working in these news organizations, there's no incentive whatsoever to sensationalize stories and that there should almost be like some sort of overview, but then how would you do that? Like how would you some citizens overview, would they make sure that people don't sensationalize things in order to get people hyped up, so they click on. And if it bleeds, it leads has always been the thing with the news. But if they could figure out a way to distribute the news completely objectively with no commercials, with no no financial incentive. Just give people information. Let them know what the fuck. There's a real problem when information in terms of like what's going on in the world. It can be distorted and it could be magnified or it could be obfuscated. They could figure out a way to paint it in a way or to portray it in a way that's going to get more people to pay attention to it. And if they can get more people to pay attention to it, then they profit more. That's what they did with Trump. And these fucking dummies got Trump elected. That's what's crazy. Like every time he would say crazy shit, like they would put him, can you believe this man thinks he's going to be president? And then people like, ah, like his style. And there's so many people out there that love when he would say shit. You know, like horse face? Yeah. Oh my god. But that was when he was present. I know. When he was present, he called a lady he had sex with horse face. Oh my god. I mean, it's a wild dude. It's a wild. He's wild. He's wild. He's wild. Well, he's a billionaire. That's the thing. It's like, yeah. You can't control him the way you can control normal politicians. And that's one of the things that frustrated him. Also, it's like the way he communicates. Right. It's not good because it does cause conflict. It's not a uniting voice. He's always going to have massive support of his base because he's kind of got them all frothy at the mouth. They're on the team. We fucking need you. One of the arguments for the January 6th invasion of the Capitol, like that whole thing, because he was like, you need to make a strong statement and go up there and show these people a lot of people like, well, you know you have these people eating out of the palm of your hands and you kind of ask them to go do something wild and then it happened. And then people are like, well, this is one of the reasons why you can't have a guy talking like that, he wants to be a leader.

barely yet that's a thing I think when you also see this because people saw this lawlessness happening throughout the entire year and I also think that the media directly contributes to

Or diminishing the seriousness of these ads. There was a photo on CNN where they were talking about mostly peaceful, mostly peaceful. And behind them is a burning building. Right. There's nothing peaceful about fire. There's nothing peaceful.

Yeah. And the people that think that you need violence in order to get your point across you don't you don't even know what the fuck violence is you think violence is hitting someone the head was skateboard that's not violence you fucking dummy like real violence is coming your way if you really want to think you really think you're gonna take over the government with skateboards blocking people over the head and throwing maltoff cocktails and I said this before and I'll say it again that's one of the things that's happening in this country that these people don't understand what they're doing when they think they're gonna like cause some sort of chaos to the point where they're going to overthrow the government. They're going to overthrow this country and burn it to the ground. I mean, this is a narrative. Oh, yeah. They get expressed over and over again by the more radical people amongst us that the United States is unfixable and we need to burn to the ground, star from scratch.

The reason why they can say the things they're saying about the United States being this horrible institution needs to be burned to the ground is one of the very beautiful things about the United States. Do you have the freedom to do that? Yeah, you have the freedom to express opinions and do you know how many people are contrarians? Do you know how many people that are never happy? How many people have everything? Every time something is awesome, they want to shit on it. That's just how people are. There's a lot of people that see things that are amazing and they're like, fuck Jimmy Hendrix. And you're like, what?

You know what people will say? Jimmy Hendrix sucks and you just go, okay, you have the freedom to do that because we live in this amazing place. That's like my line of the sand is Jimmy Hendrix. It's like, what are you saying? What are you saying?

It's a big hole in the ground. But there are people who actually had a bit about that. Did you really? Yeah, I had a bit about people go, you go to see the Grand Canyon so much, see. And I would go, look up. I go, that's, you're looking at a ditch. Like, literally, we are flying through the universe. It's an infinite number of stars. They're above our heads. There's giant fireballs with planet circling around them. There's more stars than there are grains of sand. And you're staring at a ditch. I'm like, you can see the bottom. I'm like, why is that even interesting? a bit about the Grand Canyon, about people saying that you have to see it, but it was just joke. Obviously the Grand Canyon's awesome, but the idea is that there's always going to be no one is going to universally love everything. There's always going to be people that find things that everybody loves or that a giant percentage of people love and they think it sucks. And that's their prerogative. It's one of the beautiful things about this country. You have the freedom to express yourself. And there's a lot of people to think things suck and then as they get older, they realize why they thought those things suck and they change their opinion. They change their point of view. They change their perspective. The ability to evolve your opinions is one of the beautiful things about a free country. the ability to express yourself even if what you're saying is preposterous. The problem is when people want to organize and use violence to overthrow a thing that they see as opposite of what their beliefs are. And that's one of the problems you're seeing today in this world where people think that you can use violence to overthrow things. And again, it's mostly people, if you look at these antifa protests, it's people that have no business. talking about violence. You don't even know what violence is. And my take on has always been like there's millions of veterans in this country. And if you really get to a point where you start calling for a civil war and you think that you think that you think that you're going to fucking overthrow this country. The veterans are going to come out and you're going to you're going to have a real fucking problem. You're going to have a real and it's going to be quick. Quick and ugly and horrific. Well, I

And what's amazing is it's because of people like you that people like that get to express themselves in these ridiculous ways. You don't understand that you have given them the freedom because of your dedication and sacrifice. You've given them the freedom to exist in this land and be ridiculous.

You don't have to take it all. And some people, they feel disenfranchised and they want to go right to the old cheese. Because they're like, you know, the fucking old cheese just like me. I want blue hair and old cheese and shitty music. And I wear it when our dark market. And I want to fucking burn it all down. I mean, that is what it is when people rebels. They don't feel like they're accepted in any other way. You know, I mean, that's a lot of what's going on today. There's a lot of people that are disenfranchised. They don't feel accepted by the modern mainstream world. And so they're filled with pain. They're filled with heartache and they're hurting. And they want to burn it all down because they think that's the solution.

It's like, plusized models. Yeah, plus this.

I know. Look, you know, if it was easy to just be enormous in obese and everybody would love you. Right. Well, that's what's going on now. You could just literally put in no effort whatsoever to take care of your machine and people will go, you go, boy. Yeah, you go.

But it takes a special type of person to enjoy that. Yeah. There's a lot of different people in this world. There's people in this world that should be tattoo artists. There's people in this world that should make balloon animals. And there's people in this world who should take fanboats and look for gunfights. That was me. Yeah, like that. You need everybody. You need them all. We need all of them. Yeah. We need guitarists. We need painters. We need construction workers and carpenters and we need surgeons. We need everybody. This is a beautiful machine. It requires all sorts of things. It requires all sorts of different personalities and different, but the fact that we have the freedom for you to choose what you want to do, like you're not being drafted, you enlisted. You had the choice to do this, you sought out adventure, you sought out your life's purpose, whatever calling you had to join the military, and the fact that we live in this amazing experiment in self-government. that you have the freedom to do that. We have to protect those freedoms at all costs. Whether you agree with them or not, whether you agree with people's choices or not, you have to protect their ability to make those choices because it is the foundation that this country was founded on. Freedom. That concept, this idea of freedom, there's so many people that think it's frivolous, it's not important, it's not It's not the main thing that we should be focused on, but it is the thing, the literal structure that allows this country to be so fucking amazing, is that you can choose what you want to do. You can find the thing that everyone's different. You're different than me. I'm different than Jamie. We're all different. There's people next door that are totally different than us. find your thing, and this country allows people to find their thing. But you gotta allow everybody to find their thing. As long as they're not fucking with your thing, as long as someone's not interfering in a malicious way with other people's happiness and ability to live a purposeful life, that is what we should be concentrating on. Giving people as much freedom as they can to discuss things, to participate, to choose their path in life. And as soon as you see something, anything that comes along and inhibits your freedom, you should be very, very wary and very cautious of that thing. You should be very suspicious because anything that comes along that can inhibit your freedom is by definition, it's anti-American.

No, I am such a fucking homeless person when it comes to politics. I am liberal in every social way. First of all, when I was a kid, My family, my parents were hippies. We were on welfare. We had food stamps. That was what kept my family alive when I was a small boy. I remember it very clearly. I remember going to the supermarket and my parents buying food stamps. I remember being embarrassed that we drank powdered milk. I remember being on welfare, but they got out of that. They worked their way out of that situation. They used government assistance in the best possible way and went on to live fulfilled and happy and successful life. I saw it happen. So because of that, I have a dedication to social programs. I have a dedication to this idea that all social programs like welfare and food stamps, it's not all bad. And people think it's in enables people to be lazy. It's not always the case. I think sometimes people get in a bad situation. And as a community, It's good to have a safety net. It's good to think of ourselves as neighbors. It's good to think of ourselves as a country, as a community. And you contributed that. I happily pay my taxes. I have no problem with it. I'm happy to pay more if I thought the government was competent and it was going to make for a better life for people. If it was going to make for less homelessness, less joblessness, less people that are There are fucked with medical bills, less people that are in debt because of student loans. If I thought that that was the case, I'd be happy to pay more. So I'm very liberal in that way. I'm very liberal in terms of civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, all those core issues that make a person a progressive. I'm very much in line with that. I also have a lot of guns. I'm also a hunter. I'm very pro-second amendment. I'm also very pro-military. Very pro-police. Very pro-first responders, fire department. I think you need discipline. You need authority. I've been a discipline person my whole life. I've been around people that are either military people or police officers because of my martial arts experience, my whole fucking life. I have a deep respect for them. You never hear me talking shit about the police or the military. It's not my thing. I don't, so I'm in this weird, because that puts me in conservative land. I'm very conservative in that regard. I'm very conservative in that. I believe in discipline and I believe that if you give people a way out of things, you let them weasel their way through things and find excuses and find skate goats and reasons why they're not successful and reasons why things are fucked up and they'll do it. They'll do it because it's human nature. It's human nature for people to find to seek comfort and to seek escape and to seek excuses. It's a human nature thing. So in that regard, I'm very, very right-wing. I'm very disciplined oriented. I believe that I believe that there's a lot of luck involved in life. And there's a lot of, uh, we're very fortunate. Look, I'm very fortunate. She's been born in America. I'm very fortunate to have had adversity as a young person. So I recognize and I appreciate success as a man. So I'm politically homeless. So I'm in this weird, both way world where I see people that are trying to enact programs to absolve people of student loan debt and I'm like, fuck yeah, I'm in. I see programs where people are trying to fix inner cities and provide community support and provide ways that you enact programs that help people get out of bad situations and I'm all in on those two. So I'm homeless. I'm politically homeless.

I think there's more people in the center than there are even on both sides now. Because I think one of the things that happened during the Trump administration and during the pandemic that a lot of people did not feel like they belong on one side or the other. But there are in communities where you have to support one side or the other or you don't feel like you have a tribe. And everybody wants to be a part of a tribe. And it takes real courage to stand out away from your tribe and say, I don't agree with that. I agree with this. Because then people attack you. I don't think you should be forced to do this. And I don't think you should tell a person they have to do that. I don't think you should be spending money on this or that or how come we're ignoring the corporate involvement on this side, but we're not ignoring it on our side. like I think that partisanship and tribal shit that we're experiencing right now is one of the worst aspects of this country. And the fact that we have these two parties and it's only two. It's so great, but both elections have both passed two elections. I've voted independent. I voted for Gary Johnson. I voted for Joe Jorgensen for the latest one. I just think I'm homeless.

I think, you know, we run each different state.

They got it locked up. They got it locked up. I mean, they really do. I mean, one of the things they did when Ross Perot came along, the commission for presidential debates, they decided you have to have a larger percentage of the vote in order to participate in the debates. And even then, they've still figured out a way how to lock people out, like they locked Tulsi Gabbard out of the debates.

He made me so fucking angry. People that are Democrats that want a strong woman, who's a woman of color, who's a veteran, who's a congresswoman for eight years. She has everything deployed twice overseas, worked in a medical unit. I mean, she everything about her is positive. She's a fucking leader to the bone. She's your girl. That's your girl. You guys want a powerful, strong female leader. Who who really does walk the walk and talks it? Right. Tulsi Gabbard's your girl. She's right there. She's right there. And they didn't want nothing to do with her. Now they tried to walk her out.

Yeah, everybody who supported her should have hit the brakes. Fuck yes.

The thing is there was no blowback in the media, so people who are just programmed to think that only things that are in the media are important, they just let it slide. And there wasn't even a blowback on Fox News because they didn't want to support someone on the left. wasn't even anybody on the right that said hey what the fuck is this and I think they made a mistake there they made a mistake there and I think you know just as an American there should be certain rules and certain lines you don't cross when you want to call a person who's by the way active duty right she's still deployed yes she was she was she was she fucking She faced time with me with some soldiers just a few days ago. Like a week ago, we were talking on the phone. She's still active and she is impeccable. I mean, they couldn't find anything about her. They tried. They tried, man. They tried to dig up. And so what do they do? They try to smear her name by saying a Russian asset. If you think that Russia would rather have her in place than Hillary Clinton or all these other fucking lifelong politicians, that's a hilarious notion.

As do I agree the same way? I agree wholeheartedly across the board with everything he just said.

It is America. Yeah. The idea that there's two sides, and there's a blue side, the red side, and the red side, and the enemies with the blue side, the blue side, and the red side. No. The red and the blue is part of the fucking flag. Right. Yeah. It's all together.

Literally all together. It's supposed to be together. It's supposed to be, you work things out. I have friends that are conservative. I have friends that are liberal. We're supposed to be able to communicate about things without thinking of the other side as being evil.

That changed during the pandemic. That's one of the things that really accelerate. Yeah. The lines outside the gun stores in LA were hilarious. I would be driving by going, you're a little late. You guys shouldn't have been here years ago.

More than one person asked to borrow a gun. Guys who I was friends with in LA and I've had other friends that they said the same thing happened to them like people were liberal friends were asking to borrow guns from them.

I've had these conversations with people where they're like, well, that's okay, but that's not okay. Right. Well, it's good to have, you know, if you have a pistol in your house to protect yourself, that's fine, but not an AR, right? Like they're like, look for like common ground. Like, can we agree on that? I'm like, what is the difference? Like, what do you think is the difference? One of them is better at killing people that want to kill you? Like, what do you think is, why do you think an AR is bad? Because you have more chances to stay alive? Because you have a larger round or a larger amount of bullets you can shoot? Like, what is it about it that bothers you? That it looks like a military weapon? Like, what is it, is it the looks? Like, what is it about an AR? Like, is it just the fact that it's semi-automatic? Like, what's the thing that drives you crazy? And it's a political thing. It's like, ARs have been demonized in the news to the point where people look at a magazine that has, you know, X amount of bullets, and they go, why do you need so many bullets? Well, you don't until you do. And if you do, then you're happy that you have a large magazine like this is not that complicated like if you're not going to use it unless you need to use it and if you need to use it wouldn't you want something that's the most effective tool for the job if you have 30 fucking people trying to break into your house and you only have six bullets because you have a revolver that's not good no yeah I'm not saying you're going to have 30 people trying to break into your house but if you do

Yeah, it's super fun and say that is like controversial.

Well, I think for a long time, people thought it was a preposterous conversation to say that a well-arm militia, like the right to keep in bear arms, a well-arm militia, like, wait, you're going to overthrow the government? You really think you're going to overthrow the government? Right. Like, people thought that was really preposterous. But I think there's a lot of people that paid attention to what's going on right now in Hong Kong. And they realized, oh my god, Hong Kong was just taking over, essentially taking over by China. And it's really crazy, open way. And we saw these massive protests. There's a meme that I have on my phone. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie. It says, be the America that Hong Kong likes to think you are. Let me see if I can find it. I got it in here. But it's these guys in Hong Kong waving the American flag hoping that America is going to step in and do something to stop them from taking over here. Oh, it's from my friend Lando here. I'll just text this to you, Jamie. Unfortunately, it's got, it's a screenshot. But it's good. because it's a groovy lando, lando, and auto fights with the UFC. Had it on his Instagram and I screenshot of it. It's these guys protesting in Hong Kong because China is taking over the country and they're enforcing the same sort of draconian laws that they have in the rest of China on Hong Kong, which until the 1990s was a bridge colony. Like, be the America Hong Kong things you are.

I mean, these guys are incredible. It's incredible. But they don't have the right to keep in bear arms. There's hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions in the streets protesting, China's taking over. What if they all had guns? Wouldn't that change? And people go, well, that's not here. That's not us. Well, it's not here. It's not us now. But the thing about every single civilization that's ever existed, all empires fall. And if we're in the process of this empire collapsing, and I'm not sure if we are or aren't, but I don't think anybody really recognized that Rome was falling before it fell. I don't think anybody, any of the ancient civilizations that are no longer in power.

They started getting a little too free. Yeah. Okay.

Now we've got it changes what they're supposed to be doing. They're supposed to be public servants. Correct. In this country, we don't want dictators. We don't want someone who passes some sweeping law that changes the way you're allowed to do business or the way you're allowed to act. And that's what we found during the pandemic. People passing these laws, making these new rules in order to protect us and keep us safe. And it changed the relationship. They were no longer public servants. They were the ones. They were, they were autocrats. They were telling people what they can and can't do. And oftentimes, they weren't following their own rules. We saw that with Nancy Pelosi. We saw that with Gavin Newsome. We saw that with many of these people. They were telling us what to do and then doing the opposite and they kept getting busted for it.

You need a really powerful person who can lead the center. You need a really powerful, charismatic person whose character and judgment are impeccable. And that person has to want to do that job. Is there that person?

I wouldn't know. They would have to want to do that job. It's not just would they be able to do that job. They have to want to dedicate themselves to that kind of abuse, that kind of scrutiny, that kind of microscope on their life and distortion of all aspects of their life. I mean, think about what the New York Times did to distort just fucking coffee company. You know, right? A coffee company that is a right wing military supportive, first responders supportive, coffee company, and they distort that. What are they going to do if you try to take over the government? What are they going to do if you try to run for president? You need a person who has like an impeccable background and a person knows how to communicate and a person who's charismatic where people can they resonate with that person they they say this guy this woman this person this person represents how I feel for my money. It's tells you gathered she's so I mean I know she's left wing but she's she's so appealing to so many on the right She could do it. If anybody wanted to, I mean, if you really, but the system is so rigged in terms of the debates and in terms of the coverage that you would get for mainstream media, one of the more interesting things, though, is that mainstream media is no longer mainstream. The podcasts have so much more reach than mainstream media, which is fucking crazy. And it's one of the reasons why they're so angry about it. Like when you see like CNN starts talking shit about podcasts and getting mad about YouTube shows that have more viewers than they're. Then they're shows. Yeah, because they're your show suck. And your guys are not charismatic. You're not interesting. Your point of view is not nuanced. I don't believe you. I don't think you have good character. I don't think you're a well-intentioned, reasonable person. And that's why you're show sucks. And that's one of the good things about the climate that we live in. You don't no longer really need the mainstream media. When the New York Times goes after coffee companies.

This is where we're at. Yeah. This is the world we're living in. They're distorting reality.

I have opinions and sometimes I'm long. Sometimes my opinions I'm thinking them up as I'm saying it. And I haven't really even put so much thought into it. And they think that's irresponsible. But there's an argument for that, but that's what I do. Talk shit. I'm a shit talker. I'm drunk after time. But I'm not going to stop doing that. I mean, this is what I do. And they go after you because that's their job. Their job is to write stories that are going to get a lot of views. So if the New York Times is going to after me or any other people have gone after me?

I think Obama said that recently, and he was trying to calm people down. It was a very interesting conversation that he was having. I forget he was having a whip, but he was like, listen, life is messy. Humans are messy. It's not this clean, simple thing. You would like to put everything in this box, so this is good, and this is bad. That's not what humans are, and that's not what life is like, and that's not You're not recognizing nuance.

I think if I think about it too much, then it'll fuck with my head. So I just do what I do. But I think to speak to what you were saying earlier about interacting in a negative way with people, and getting dragged into the pig's law. The thing about it is that you're not helping those people either. Those people that are negatively attacking you and negatively reacting, and they need love too, man. They all need attention, and a lot of those people are good people. A lot of those people will say bad things are good people. They're just fucking lost. They're lost and they're bitter and they're angry and they're jealous and they're sad and they don't know what the fuck to do with their life and so they say negative shit because negative shit gets people to react. Right. Negative shit gets the response and negative shit is it's a form of currency in this country and this weird climate. And I think if you engage in it and feed it, you know, you just spread it. It's not helping them. It's not helping you. It's certainly not helping you. You know, what are you going to do? You're going to get them. You're going to make something 16 year old kid feel bad.

You know, I'm a winner. You fucker I own black rifle coffee. What are you doing? Sleeping in your mouth. Baseman, you little piece of shit. You're like, yeah, God, I've got that guy today. It's a waste of time. It's waste of time. It's waste for you. It's a waste for him. You just make an enemies. You're not making friends and people that say things like, I've said some stupid shit. If I had a Twitter account when I was 15, and someone could go back and pull it up, oh my God, I'd have some spleen in to do.

Yeah, that's the human experience. It's growth and to deny people growth. And that's one of the things that people love to do, they're like archeologists for bad ideas, they want to dig up. Look what you said in the 94. Look at that mean you made. Yeah, they want to find this funny. They want to dig up old dumb shit that you thought of. Like, yeah, I don't think like that anymore. I don't say those things anymore. You know, I believe that life is about learning and it's a long, grueling process where if you do it right, you make mistakes and you grow. I made a lot of mistakes. But that's also why I'm so successful, because I've taken a lot of fucking chances. And because of those chances, I've put myself out there and I've taken a lot of lumps but I've also succeeded in a lot of ways because of that because I'm willing to take it. I'm willing to take the chances and I'm willing to put myself out there and that's the secret to this show. The people that listen, I think, no, I'm not a bad person, even if I make mistakes. I try to be a really good person. I work hard at it. It's like a big focus of my life. This would be nice to be a good person and do the best that I can do it. Everything I'm doing. I follow the four agreements. You ever read that domicile Louise book? It's an interesting book. It's fascinating. I mean, I'm not, I'm not a, I don't follow it like a religion, but it's a, it's a fascinating guidebook on how to live a, a healthier life. And he has four agreements. And there's one of them is be impeccable with your word. I try to, and I'm not always, good at this, I fuck this up sometimes, but when I do fuck it up, I'm very aware of it and it makes me feel like shit. I try to always say what I mean and I always try to mean what I say. The other one is don't take things personally. And that's how I feel about people that talk shit about me, are people that write bad articles about me. I'm still me, I'm exactly the same person. You can try to distort me, you try to paint me in some weird way, you can try to change. What I'm saying, or look at it in the most uncharitable way, but it's not gonna change who I am. This is who I am. So I don't take it personally. Don't make assumptions. Don't make assumptions. Don't assume things. It's not beneficial. It doesn't help. And then always do your best. That's the one before I even read the book I already had locked in. I always try to do my best. So everything I do. I just, I'm not always successful at it. You know, I'm not always good at it, but whatever I'm trying to do at that moment in my life, I'm trying to do my best with everything, whether it's martial arts or being a dad or doing a podcast or doing stand up, I'm always trying to do my best. And I feel like if you can follow those principles and just use those as a guide and always just try to Always try to improve upon the way that you interface with life, the way you interface with other people, the way you express yourself out in the world. You'll be on the right road and you'll be on the right path. And I think that, I mean, I guess if I had a sit and think about it, because I don't, I really don't think about why this fucking show is successful. I just keep showing up. I'm not exactly sure. But I think if I thought about it too much, I would fuck it up. And I think that happens to a lot of people that get really successful. One of the things you see about people that get really famous is they go crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I worried about that.

You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry. You're looking at Larry.

Those are fucking incredible. It's a great book. It's a really, and it's a great audiobook, too. It's narrated by Peter Coyote, the actor. It's called The Four Agreements. Don Miguel Ruiz. It's amazing. It's a really, really well-written book.

Yeah, I want people to see the you that I know, you know, the the you that I knew when you were just starting your company out when the company wasn't gigantic. Yeah, and it's crazy because

No, what you're saying is exactly what the New York Times should have wrote down. You guys fucked up.

You missed the story. The real story is interesting. The problem with the New York Times is the problem with almost all publications today. They're very partisan. They have a narrative. They start off with that narrative and then they try to justify and confirm that narrative in their story. And life is way more interesting than that. It's way more interesting. And in trying to stick things into these very, very confined boxes You limit your own potential as media. You limit your own potential as in how you interface with the people that read your newspaper or the people that whatever you're doing, whether it's a podcast or a book you wrote, you're limiting it. You're limiting it because you're not being honest. You're not being real. You're just trying to force things into some now perspective. That's a problem with the New York Times. It's a problem with Washington Post. It's a problem with a lot of publications today. They have this idea of expectation. Much like I was saying, like if I thought too much about how many people are listening to the show, if I changed who I am, because I was worried about the impact or the fame or the... It's hard. It's hard to not do that. Most people give into that. But that's where all those institutions have done. They've all given in to their audience. They've all given in to the expectations. They've all given in to these very, very tribal perspectives. And everything is either with them or against them. Everything is either good or bad, problematic or enlightening and encouraging. And it's not real. It's not real. There's a lot of people that have direct opposite perspectives than you do on all sorts of things and they're good people. There's a broad range of human beings in this world. And if you try to stick them in boxes, you fuck them up and you fuck up their message and also even the way you interact with them, fucks it up. You know, I mean, the Gulag, yeah, let's just This interview recently the New York Times had Jason Mamoa and they asked him about a scene in Game of Thrones where what is the mother of dragons is his wife. He has a scene with her. We forces himself on her. He rapes her and they asked him about that scene and what he would he feel differently about it today and you know he's like You know, he's taken a back by it. And he said, like, listen, the guy is getting gets caught. The guy is a murder. He's played called Drago. Right. It's fucking ruthless murderer. And you're talking about a horrible thing that this horrible person did. He's an actor. It's a fictional character. And so then he starts giving the guy like, turs like one word answers. And then he just goes back to, he was, hey man, I just, I don't like that question. I don't like how you phrase that. I don't like what he said. He goes, it's fucking itky. and that's the way he said it and he ended the conversation short and good for him good for him for saying that but they're just they think they really felt that that needed to be talked about no it's like You're talking to a guy as an actor who's playing good people in bat. He also plays Aquaman. You want to talk about being a superhero? He's a person who portrays, if you want to have a good film, you have to have good guys in bad guys. And bad guys sometimes do horrible things. And we have a really complex fantasy series like Game of Thrones. And you have this guy who's arguably one of the greatest warriors in any television series of all time. That kind of question is fucked because you're you're you're you're you're conflating that guy's personal morals and ethics the ethics of society in 2021 United States of America during the Me Too movement with a fucking barbarian in the world that doesn't even exist It's ridiculous, but that's what they do. And that's, and they feel like they have to. And they feel like if they don't do that, they'll get called out by, you know, the progressives and all these people, they're going to get called out. And so they think about that when they're saying these things, they're thinking about things when they're writing these things. They think about these things and they're having these interviews. And, you know, there's a way, there's probably a way to have that conversation. It's probably a way to say you have to play sometimes these horrible people like called drogos like what does it feel like to play this barbarian like does it does it freak you out to play this guy like there's a way to say that without being patronizing and condescending and being a shitty human being right There's a way to say that. There's a way. And maybe that guy fucked up who wrote the story, or woman, I don't know who fucked up. I don't know if he was a man or a woman who did that interview. But I thought it was fascinating the way he responded. That he just said, hey man, that fucks in question. He sucked his Iki.

Yeah, it's not only that. It's like an evil person. Yeah, you have to play them evil. I mean, are you asking is it feel uncomfortable? Yeah, of course it does. That's why it's good. Yeah, the reason why that movie is good is because you're watching that guy jerk off in Corona.

Girl's voice pulled them over and you're like, what the fuck is this?

I'm so glad that when you said Harvey can I tell you both that bad lieutenant?

Yeah, there's millions of interactions with the cops and civilians every fucking day and most of them are good. Most of them are good. Yeah. When you see a film, when you see someone filming with their cell phone, someone doing something horrific. That's the aberration. It happens way too often. Absolutely. Yes. I'm not excusing bad cops, but that's not representative of most cops. That's why I support law enforcement. Also, because you fucking need them. Yes, you need them. It's funny. My friend John Joseph. He's a lead singer of the crow mags. I'll send you this Jamie too because it's kind of hilarious. He sent me this text message today of this girl who got her bike stolen. That's not what's funny. What's funny is on the bike. It says defund the police. So it says missing bike here. Hello, so I'm going to tell you Jamie. It says defund the police while it says missing bike. It's like

Dude, it's hilarious. Do you get it? Do you get the image? Look at this image. I love this image. Missing bike. It was taken, but look at the fucking sign of mine. Teeth on the police.

I don't know if that's a guy or girl. I think it's a girl.

Dave Supel. Dave Supel's probably number one. If not number one of all time, he's one of all time greats for sure. Yeah. Louis C. K. Bill Burr. Uh, that's three. I would say Joey Diaz, he's an, he's an active right now. Joey Diaz is the funniest guy I've ever seen. Really? Yeah, of all time. I think he's, I think there's a moment, this is what I, I don't think he's the greatest joke writer of all time. He doesn't have the greatest specials that people can watch, but as in terms of like people that I've, I've witnessed that have hit RPMs that I didn't think were possible. like so funny that like comedians would sit in the back of the room and watch him and watch him perform and be falling down the ground, pounding on the floor laughing. Joey Diaz is the goat. He's the greatest of all time. But you have to judge someone on their body of work. If you judge someone on their body of work, it's like of all time all time I go with Richard prior. I think Richard prior all time all time is the greatest because his body of work is incredible. And also it stands up today Even if you listen to his shit from the 1970s, it's still hilarious. It's still really good, which is hard, because comedy moves on, man. Comedy passes, you know, it's like the world changes, the culture, the climate changes, and comedy moves on, but richer, prior, still great. And he was also like the first truly honest comedian, like honest about his own flaws in his life and just and figured out a way to do it in a way that was just fucking brilliantly hilarious that changed people's perceptions of things. And then number two is Sam Canison. And it was only for a short period of time. Sam Canison was like, he was the greatest for like two years, right? And then he just did too much coke and fuck too many strippers and it just didn't write anymore. He just went crazy because Sam Kinnison at a heavy-duty brain injury. He was hit by a car when he was like a little kid and his brother Bill wrote a book called Brother Sam and it's all about Sam and his life and growing up with him and about and he documents this moment where Sam got hit by a car and had a serious brain injury and then was a wild mother fucker afterwards like uncontainable crazy And that's the guy that became Sam Kinsson. So literally, one of the greatest comedians of all time was because of a brain injury. Yeah, it's wild. Roseanne Barr, same thing, hit by a car when she was 15. One of the greatest, if not the greatest female comedian of all time, one of the top 10 greatest all-time comedians Roseanne Barr for sure. Keep going down the line is probably Bill Hicks because Bill Hicks changed the way people looked at comedy. He introduced complex concepts like psychedelic states and government propaganda and war and all sorts of other things to the conversation of comedy that had not existed before. But the guys that are alive now, the guys that I'd like to go see is Chappelle, Bill Burr, Louis C. K. Chris Rock when he was active. You know, I guess he's active again now. This is a good time for comedy. Is Louis C. K. Back. Yeah, yeah, he's back. Yeah, he's back. He's torn. He just released a thing, I think, two days ago. He put some newsletters out all the places that he's touring. Yeah. That guy's a genius. He's a brilliant guy. He's just a guy I like to jerk off in front of people. It's fucking amazing.

Nobody is. No. He took, he could hit the me two thing at the beginning. Yeah. He took the first fucking, the first slap of the wave, you know. And if it happened today, if you got busted today, like if people came out today and said, do you see a jerk dog in front of me? He had been like, Hey, you know in comparison like Harvey Weinstein built up in all these real monsters like real real-monsters real monster not like hey, do you mind if I jerk off right? Okay, yeah, well he had he was fucked up. He's kinky and weird and not good But that's humans. Yeah, but it's humans. And it's also one of the reasons why he's so funny is like this sort of self-loathing self-deprecating perspective on things. He's a complex human being.

It's like music, right? It's like there's the undeniable, you know? There's the Led Zeppelin and the Hendrix and, you know, there's people that are undeniable. What about Mitch Hadberg? Oh, it's genius. He's amazing. Mitch is amazing because you could play him for your grandmother. Yeah. And like his stuff was so funny and it was clean. it's like he just happened like there's a few guys like that like Brian Regan is a guy like that right now Jim Gaffigan's squeaky clean genius hilarious yeah there's there's all kinds of comedy just like there's all kinds of music And, you know, I've always loved the wild shit. I always love people to say things. They're like, what the fuck? Did you just say that? Like, that's part of the fun for me. Part of the fun for me is the, I can't believe this motherfucker just said that. That's part of the fun for me. Right. But it doesn't mean that that's all I love. But if I have a choice, between going to see, without naming names, just going to see, and I still love to see comedy. I'll go to see the Wildman. I'm a wild person. I like wild things. You know, I like wild shit. I've always liked wild shit. I like things where there's like a real danger to what this person says. Yeah. There's real danger. People are going to get real upset. I love when people get up and yell and leave you fucking asshole. That's not funny.

Seinfeld's brilliant. Brilliant. It's a genius joke writer and an amazing performer but it's a very narrow lane that he operates in. What is loose? Who said that guy could do this? It's a sign of the era in which he evolved and came up in and he developed this style for like the tonight show and David Letterman and you know these specials where he could do and as you know as a stand-up comedian he's very very respected I mean people love him I mean, he's, you know, no, very few stand-up comedians have a negative thing to say about Jerry Seinfeld. You know, as a performer and as a writer, and as a guy who's worth like a fucking billion dollars, he still hits the clubs in a regular basis. Does he really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I saw Gotham had a clip on their Instagram page real recently where he dropped in. He just popped in out of nowhere. Wasn't even supposed to be there to show up Jerry Seinfeld with a blazer on telling jokes trying out new material.

So a well-known comedian can you just drop in and bump people and get on you can but it's very controversial some comics for a long time thought that it was part of the right of being successful to be able to just show up and go on at any time they want I have never done that I don't do that if I'm gonna go on I call in advance I tell them I'm available Tuesday Wednesday whatever it is like my time at the comedy store I would never do that I'd never just showed up and bump people mm-hmm I never liked it when it happened to me. It happened a lot and it was like a thing where like hey man dice plays here and you just step back and let dice play go up and he did whatever he wanted to do and then you would go up afterwards. It was part of being they earned that in a lot of people's eyes. But it's, you can call. Like, I didn't, and a lot of my friends who were comics would get really furious at that and they drove them nuts and they'd be like, why don't you just fucking call? Because you know, maybe they'd have a dinner date. Like, maybe they're supposed to go out with their girlfriend at 9 o'clock and their spots at 8. And then all of a sudden, this guy shows up. And he wants to do 40 minutes in front of you. And you're like, ah, fuck. And then your reservations are all screwed up. Or whatever plans you had. Or, you know, maybe had people that came to see you and they could only stay for a certain amount of time. And then, you know, they thought they were going to see your 15 minutes head of the comedy store, but instead, some famous person came and bumped you. So it's controversial. But it's also exciting. Like if I'm sitting there and it's fucking Tuesday night and I see what the lineup is, because you can see the lineup and then all of a sudden Dave Chappelle shows up. Like if you're a comedy fan, rather, You're excited. So it's I could see the perspective of the audience as well. And you got to kind of eat it if you're one of those comics that is there and you thought you're going to get to go up, but then Chappelle just showed up, you know, it's But, you know, guys like Seinfeld, if he's going to show up, he's going to show up in just 15 minutes, like legit imagine.

He's a real pro. But some guys will show up and they'll just fucking do an hour, you know? They'll just fuck the whole show up. And comedy clubs will indulge it because it's amazing to have a guy show up. that really wasn't supposed to be there, but is a superstar that sells out. Dave Chappelle sells out arenas, you know, and if he just shows up and just wants to do 15 minutes or an hour, whatever the fucking wants to do, you're going to let him do it. Yes, I don't do it. Right. I make phone calls. You know, I just, I do it in advance every time like if I'm working in Austin, I call, you know, I call up in advance or if I'm gonna do a show like my friend Brian Redbans show like on Thursday nights at the Vulcan, I'll text him like he knows I'm coming, you know, and if I do show up, if the only way I'm going up is if like he's asking me to go up and he'll tell me when I can go out like you go up here, I go up then or I'll go, I'll close the show or whatever it is. It's just like you, There's a certain amount of respect you have to have for other performers, you know, I think. When you go, are you doing like a full hour, are you doing it depends if I'm closing, yeah, or if you know, if we schedule it in advance, you know, I know I'm going to do, you know, whatever, half hour, whatever, you know, I'll know when I'm going to do it.

Well, when it was out the store, I hang around with Bill Lot, but obviously Bill's in LA now, I'm out here. And Dave and I do a lot of gigs together. We just did two nights in, at the MGM. We did two nights in the arena, the Grand Garden Arena, like two weeks ago. Yeah. And so I love that. Dave and I have a bunch of shows coming up too. We were doing New Orleans, we're doing Nashville. We've got some other shows that we're thinking about booking too, but I don't know what the fuck is gonna happen with all these variants.

Who do you hang out with? Oh, if it's Friday night, I don't have a show.

You have to have balance, man. I hang out with my kids. If I'm, I mean, occasionally I go to dinner with some friends, you know, and have a good time or play pool or something like that. But you have to have family time and it's very important. Like you were saying about like your kids and yeah. And thinking about your dad, like I don't know my dad. And when I was leaving today to come here, I had this moment where I cook my kids breakfast and we're sitting around eating, we're laughing and joking around and we're just being silly. And then I said, I had to go to work. I said, I love you. And then they both hugged me at the same time. So it's like, this love sandwich. And I'm kissing them and I was like, how did I get so lucky to have these amazing daughters? And it's just like this this amazing like love fest where they're smiling and they're so happy and I'm so happy and it's just pure just pure love and affection and it's just That's so important. You can't just do comedy. You gotta have balance. You gotta have all these things. You know, you have to spend time with friends and loved ones. And you gotta spend time alone, too, man. Yeah. Gotta be alone. You gotta think.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, my 11 year old fucking hates it. She grabs me and she'll pull me away from people. People want to take pictures. She's rude. She does a lot like it at all. She's like super confident, you know, like it's very funny. Um, they, you know, part of it, they think it's strange because their other friends don't have this. And like, they used to, when they were real little, they didn't get it. Like, I remember when my 13 year old when she was like five, like someone would, would say something to me on the street, she's like, did you know him? I go, no, I don't know him. She's like, well, how does he know you? Well, that's a complicated question. You know, I go, I do things that are very public. Like I do comedy and I do the UFC commentary and it's very public. And so because of that, people know me. And like you see the little wheels spinning and it took years for her to kind of figure it out. You know, and now it's weird because she's 13 and like her friends and school are fans. of the podcast and that's weird. Holy shit, you know, and so like boys, especially like a dad Joe Rogan with a fuck and it's real weird and she's like, get over it. He's a loser. But she laughs and she's got a good sense of humor about stuff. She's pretty funny. But I think, you know, probably they love it. They probably like the fact that I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not a failure. But it's also, I'm their dad. Yeah. And in the day, like it doesn't change anything, my relationship to them. It's just, my relationship with the outside world is odd. Yeah. But to them, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, as much as I can, I'm locked in with them. I'm their dad.

Yeah. I remember not having a father, man. I remember that feeling. It's a fucking awful feeling. And you know, I remember the moments, I remember moments being a young person of longing or good times or bad times. You remember those. And I try to really remind myself, You know the gotta have a good time. Yeah, gotta have a good time with these kids.

Isn't that interesting, like, children of alcohol, oftentimes will never touch drinks? Yeah. They're just, I don't want to have nothing to do with that. I know what the fuck that did to my family. I know what it did to my life. And sometimes when you didn't have a good childhood, it'll motivate you to be a good dad. You know? It's like bad feelings can have all sorts of different responses in a person. You can respond very differently. And you could decide that this is the reason why you're fucked up and you're never gonna, you know, it's not even my fault. I've fucked over by life and all you can say, I'm gonna be the difference. I'm gonna break this chain. I'm going to, I'm going to recognize that this is, this is what was done to me and that is going to actually help me to be a better person.

And it's, that's the thing about having experienced loss, right? Yeah. It's, it's very, in the weirdest, most fucked up way is bad experiences and loss and heartache and tragedy. It really is the thing that makes you appreciate the good things in life so much more.

Yeah, that's a healthy perspective and the perspective of a person that's constantly checking up to see what other people who they don't even know, what their opinions of them are. Right. You're going to fuck yourself up, man. And I know I have a lot of friends who do that all day long. Seriously? Oh, yeah, comedians. Yeah, especially comedians that are on the way up. right they they they haven't quite made it to the point where they're financially free or they you know they're caught they're trying to get gigs or they're trying to get. Who's on the way up who's on the way up that you love. Oh man there's so many. There's so many. This is a great crop of comedians. This time right now is really fucking cool because there's so many funny people. There's a girl that I'm going on the road with this weekend and he was Laura Bites. She's fucking hilarious. Laura is really funny and works really hard. She's awesome. She's going to be a superstar for sure. Laura Bites. Yeah, Lara, LA, all right. She's doing Wisconsin and Iowa with me. We're doing two arenas this weekend. And I don't think she's ever done a crowd like that before either. It's gonna be wild this year. Getting fun of like, arenas are daunting. You get on stage in front of that many people and you're like, how many people? It's in the neighborhood of 12,000, both shows in that neighborhood. That's been in us. That's been in us. That's not even the big ones. Dave and I did 25,000 in Tacoma. Tacoma, Washington City, 25,000. We did the Tacoma dome. Yeah, that was crazy. That's in the round. So you step out into the round and there's 25,000 people around you. The sound is insane. It's crazy. And you have to, I think I did that one with Ian Edwards, too. You have to, the experience of it is so overwhelming, the volume of the people, the cheers and everything. It's so overwhelming. It's hard to take in. It seems like a dream. It was really funny, like a right before Dave went on stage. He looked at me and we're looking at each other and the audience's screaming goes, Not a lot of motherfuckers to get to do this. And it was like, yeah, it just seems like a dream. It doesn't seem real. Because it's like just the sheer magnitude of it all. Like we did, like I said, we did Vegas a couple of weeks ago. That was the same sort of thing, like walking out on stage at the MGM Grand Garden Arena from a 14,000 people. And it's just, it's wild. It's wild. It just doesn't seem real. And I guess you could get overwhelmed by it. Boy, you could just kind of take it in with a smile. Yeah. And you got to take it in with a smile. You just got to be yourself and just, you know, one is the same as a million. Just go out there and do it. Just go out and do it.

No, it's filming especially your aware that you're filming it. It's hard. And so one of the ways I found to mitigate that is to do more shows. So I used to do two shows. Sometimes guys do one show and it's not good. It's not good to do one show because you're too aware that it's a show that you're filming. So your tense. Like a good example is Hicks, Bill Hicks revelations, which is a great material. And I've seen that material live. And I've seen it in different circumstances. He was much looser. when it was just a comedy club and you know he could be free he'd done like five shows that week it was loose he filmed this one show in a theater for HBO in England it's not his best work it's great material but it's just he's just tension and like it doesn't feel loose I like to do four shows. I do two shows Friday, two shows Saturday. And so that way it's like a regular weekend. So when I get on stage, I know if I fuck this show up, I got three other barrels in the chamber. So I'm good. So when I walk out there, I could be loose. Like the last special I did was embossed and that was strange times for Netflix and I did four shows. But really, I only used the first show. The first show Friday night was, yeah. There was only like one or two bits that I forgot to do that I edited in. That was maybe one or two tagline. That was definitely one extra bit that I forgot to do that we edited in. That was like from First Show Saturday night. most of the special was the first show because I was so loose because I knew I had all these opportunities to do it so I didn't I didn't feel tense so that's the key and it costs extra money to do it that way but if you can afford it, I think that's the way to do it because you just want to make a show where people come to see it make it feel as normal as any other show that you do That's hard to do. It's hard to be in the moment when you know as a camera on you.

It's always through shows. You don't really rehearse. outside of shows. One thing I do do is I listen to recordings and I write. So write out bits. Even though I've done the bits a hundred times, I'll write them out just so they're just like cemented into my DNA. They're just locked in.

I record all my sets. Every set I do I have on my phone like if you if I go through my voice recordings these are all my sets over the last few months so I record all of them that way if there's a new lot because a lot of times like in the middle something and I have a new line and out of nowhere it comes out and that line becomes a whole new bit

Just to just get that. Sometimes I'll do a show and I'll like that was fun. Those are good show, but nothing happened that I need to review. But every now and then like maybe every third show, some whole new subject will come up or a whole new interaction will come up. a new pathway to a bit of new direction, and so I'll listen to that, and that's one of the ways that it becomes new material.

No, that was taught that by a guy named Mike Donovan. There was a STEM comedian in Boston who was a big time local comic who was a really good guy who was really good at talking to open micers and this is back in the day where he would bring a fucking tape recorder on stage, a cassette recorder and record always shows. And I was like, you record all your shows and he's like, yeah, it was you never know. It was one day you might say something. And if you don't record it, you're never going to remember it. And that could be like a way better way to do your bit or a new way to do your bit or you might just have an idea out of nowhere that pops into your head and you say it. And you're in the moment when you're on stage a lot of times you forget what you said. And then you'll go back and listen, you're like, holy shit, like out of nowhere out of the gods, the muse is just bestowed upon you a new idea.

All the great ones are disciplined. All of them. All of them work hard. All of them are constantly doing sets. It's like it's disciplined, but it's also passion. It's like it's easy to be disciplined if you love what you do. It's like Mike Tyson said this once. He goes, real discipline is doing the thing you hate, but doing it like you love it. The problem is comedy you love all the time. So it's easy to do it. Like you love it because you do love it. Like discipline is like discipline is like running miles with a fucking weight vest on. You know, nobody loves doing that.

That's real discipline. Like discipline is getting off of that 6 AM yoga class. Right. That's discipline. The discipline involved in comedy is just a focus and just dedication and constantly doing it. But every time you do it, if you're doing it right and the audience has a great time, you get this positive feedback and you feel amazing. That's the craziest thing. I was talking to a friend of mine once about this. I was like, imagine how crazy it is to live your whole life and never kill. Like you never get on stage and kill. Like you don't know what that feels like. Like so many people they live their whole life. They never crush. They never walk on stage and do an hour and have the whole audience just cry and laughing and thank you, good night. They never feel that, right? And if you're a comic and you do get to feel that, it's your duty to continue. It's your duty to figure out how to maximize that. Like you have hit this rare air that's so few humans ever get to experience. If you thought about how many people alive today are professional comedians, it might be 500. 500. Yeah. In this country? Yeah. Might be 500. Legitimate, professional comedians that tour and people want to come out to see them. I mean, there's more trying it. There's more that get paid every now and then. There's probably a couple thousand. But like the real comics that can headline at a comedy club. It's 500. Okay. How many can sell out a theater? Less than a hundred. How many can do an arena? Less than 20. Less than 20. Less than 20. Yeah. Less than 20. At a 300 and 30 million people in this country is less than 20 people that could sell out in arena.

Guys, I can tell I'm in a arena, you've got like Sebastian, Bill Burr. Yeah. Dave Chappelle. You get sketchy. You get sketchy. You start just feeling like who else can do in a arena? How many guys? Who else wants to? Well, they all want to. Everybody wants to do these big places because it's a wild feeling man when you when you show up and there's a traffic jam and you realize oh my god, that's a traffic jam to get to see my show.

Yeah, yeah, he's the biggest like Kevin Hart can do 50,000 people. Oh fuck, are you kidding me? Yeah, he did a show in Philadelphia where he filmed his Netflix special. It was like somewhere in the neighborhood of 50,000 people in the crowd. Holy shit.

I had no idea. Have you ever seen the video of it?

There's one real recently when they did a scan of the crowd. We see him on stage and you see the whole crowd. You like, look at this.

That is fucking nuts. That's fucking nuts. And he murdered in front of all the murdered. The tech guy is so incredibly talented. Well, he's so ambitious and so disciplined too. You want to talk about the most disciplined comic? That's he's he's right up there. Really most disciplined of all time. Yeah, man. But he has he does everything. He's got multiple businesses. He runs simultaneously. He's constantly involved in different projects and doing voiceover work and doing films and doing stand up and like he does everything. He's a legit like multi-dimensional entrepreneur.

Yeah, I don't think anybody else can sell that many tickets. Maybe you should sell could. It's hard to say. Like Dave and I have talked about doing a football arena. We've talked about we were laughing around about it. Like when we did one of these big crazy shows and sold out in the eight minutes and we were like, How many fucking people can we do? Yeah. Yeah. I said dude, because this is in the middle of the pandemic too. I go, let's go to Miami where there's wide open. Let's do a fucking giant football arena. You guys could, there's no doubt. Him and I together can sell a lot of tickets. That would be a lot of fun. But that would be incredible. Yeah. Look, they'll be fun.

Yeah, we could probably do it in Texas. Well, we did a lot shows in Texas. He and I did stubs when everything was completely shut down. We cove tested the entire audience. So we had cove tests like seven, eight hundred people. You know, they'd get there like six o'clock for an eight o'clock show and who fucking test the shit out of everybody. And this was when everything was like completely locked down. and we were doing these outside shows, the Stubbs Ampitheater, and it just felt really special because it was in the middle of everything being completely shut down, and we did it safe. We like COVID tested all the comics, we COVID tested the entire audience, and then everybody was outside, which was safe, and it was pretty fun. It was really fun, really exciting. But we had done like a rena's before that, so that was like a thing that we were doing, like just in the middle of the pandemic. just to be active again like I hadn't done I wasn't gonna do any stand up until it was over I was like I'm gonna ride this out. I did work again. Yeah, I did one weekend in Houston in July and I was like it's too sketchy. The problem was like Houston was open and everybody was fine with it, but I was like I don't want to get anybody sick. That was my thought. I was like I don't I don't want to I'm not worried about me, but I was worried about giving it to other people so I was like okay I'm just going to lay off until this is over. But then Dave contacted me and it's like, hey, let's do some shows. Let's do some shows. And that was like, wow, it is outside. Yeah. Okay, as long as we test everybody and so I was in and then once I started doing it again, I was like, okay, I'm in. I'm back.

How did you keep in friends for, I met Dave and it was 19. Seriously? Yeah, yeah. I think I was 24 and he was 19 or so.

Not range in New York City. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, we knew each other from back then. And you know, we knew each other from the clubs. And then I was on episode one of Shepel Show accidentally. That was an accidental moment. I was walking down the street in New York and I see Dave with a fake mustache on holding up a box of ribbons. And I was like, what are you doing, man? It goes, oh, hey, Joe, you want to be on my show? And I go, I only have like an hour because I was in Bobcat, gold weight was actually the director. And I was like, what's up, dude? I said hi to Bobcat. I'm like, what are you guys doing? And he's like, we're doing this thing. We want to just do this thing with us. So Dave was with this crazy fake mustache was hanging out ribbons for the best New York boobs. Like you. I remember that.

This is really ridiculous moment. And that was God, I guess it was like 2001 or something like that. Whatever year it was for Pel show came back on. You know, so I've known him forever. Yeah, I've known him from the comics store and he's he's an amazing person. He's an amazing guy in that he's like a super kind person. He's really like genuinely kind. He's nice to everybody. He's me's a genius and he's a eccentric and all that stuff. But he's a genuinely kind person.

Just sketch over all time, and it only lasted two seasons.

You know, it was a real problem for him after a while because he would go do stand up and people would yell out, I'm rich. They would just want to yell it out. Yeah. Like people just wanted to yell it out like that. It was always like a storm that had a pass.

Yeah.

Yeah. There was so many different lines from those those series. Yeah. Isn't credible.

But that's how he is. That's just who he is. Right. But legitimately who he is. You know, he just happens to be really fucking famous. He just happens to be famous.

It's Bill Burr. Oh, I can introduce you. Yeah, that guy. Next time Bill comes to Austin, or anytime where you're around, I'll set it up. Moist round. He's an easy guy to get along with. He's a fun. He'll talk shit to you, too. What the fuck? Where does that? Caffin' eight miles? Yeah. some stupid shirt at me. He's a fun guy to be around.

Yes, he flips someone their head.

Well, you know what it is. It's like it's an antiquated form of expression. It's not a good way to get ideas out. You have seven minutes or whatever it is in between commercials. The guy who's the host doesn't get to pick who's on. So it's not like they're really interested in whatever fucking album this guy has or whatever television show this guy has. Usually they don't even give a fuck. So they're not really geared in or connected to what what what the subject matter is. They're just it's not a good way to do it.

Yeah. Well, here's a thing about Carson and this is the thing that you could apply even to like in a broad sense to our parents and our parents parents. People haven't been around that long. Right. You know, we like to think that people have been around for so long and this is great history. And there is, there's like thousands of years of history. And that seems like a long time. But when you go from our parents to my grandparents came over on a boat. They all came over from Italy and my father's side, my grandfather, my father's side came over from Ireland. I'm three quarters Italian. So most of the people came over from Europe. At a time where the Great Depression was going on and nobody knew what the fuck was over here. They weren't watching YouTube videos. They're savages. Right. They just got on a boat and made their way across the fucking ocean. Cross-heat land. They land on these coast and they set up shop and move into these Italian neighborhoods and Irish neighborhoods and and a bunch of criminals, a bunch of barbarians. They're wild people. Just wild people. Yeah. And they were very tame in comparison to their grandparents, who literally rode around on horses. Their parents rode around in the time where there was no fucking cars. They were on horses. Before them, there was people that tried to make their way across the fucking country and they were killed by Native Americans, or they killed the Native Americans, or they gave them smallpox. And what happened before that? They were living under the rule of King of England. Before that, they were running from barbarians. Before that, Genghis Khan was running shit. Before that, they didn't have gunpowder. It's a short period of time where human beings have been around. When it comes to mass media, if you go to the Johnny Carson Show or the Jack Parsha or something like that and try to watch those things, you have a time machine And you're literally looking back into an encapsulated moment in the history of the human race that wasn't that long ago, but was so different, so different than the way it did today. Bell bottoms and they're all smoking cigarettes.

Who's the Eddie Murphy bit?

That's amazing. What? It is, it's fine to be because it's private. Yeah. It's like, it's all behind closed doors. You shut the door and lock it. What's going on that house? Are they fucking? Yeah. What do I do?

That's weird.

That's why it's weird, but like a president gets busted or some, you know, like Andrew Cuomo's now busted for sexual harassment. Right. If you, they should be shipping prostitutes out to these guys. Like, keep them calm. Jesus Christ he's broken state troopers like help him he's trying to run this state somebody going there and suck that guy's dick he's trying to balance the budget we used to always talk about that like it

Like, AI fucked dolls. Yeah. Like, well, that's, that's the future. That's what was scary to me.

Yeah, that one day we're going to have artificial human beings that will do anything you want. So you're not even going to have to be nice. One of the things about men and women is that we have to be nice to each other. If the women are mean, you don't want to be around them. Men are assholes, the women don't want to be around us. We have to figure out how to be nice to each other so we like to be around each other so that we could enjoy each other's company and eventually enjoy each other's pleasure. But if you don't have to, If you just have like some fucking robot that looks hot as shit and you go over your, you know, your friend's house and he's got some robot wearing lingerie that's like mopping up his floors. Right. Like you could do whatever you want and walk mine spit on her and she's like, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. You're so nice. Not good. Not good for the human race.

And the balancing act between the Yen and the Yang, the male and the female, the feminine, the masculine. That's that trying to figure each other out and balancing each other out is like ultimately what elevates the human race.

That's part of it, but also wanting each other to like each other. Yeah. And then growing closer to each other by being nice to each other and recognizing that there's like this deep pleasure and satisfaction and love in like having someone that really likes to be around you and you really like to be around them and you actually give each other love and companionship and when you see each other you want to hug each other. It's a beautiful thing. Some people never get that man. They never get it. They never get that their whole life. from the cradle to the grave. They live their whole life without anybody really loving them. They're really wanting to fuck them and touch them and be around them. They never experience that. They're angry.

We've done like three hours and 15 minutes.

All right.

I love this too. Hey, I'm glad you came in.

Yeah, I'm glad we got a chance. And people that have an idea of you now think they have a better, better one.

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