Transcript for #1894 - Suzanne Santo

What's happening? Oh, it's good to see you. You look lovely. You look invigorated.

Yes, it was in the first day that it worked out for a whole month because we did that sober October thing. We worked out every day of the week.

Not usually, but I kind of did it in September to get ready for October to just like get my body conditioned to this idea that we're going out of every day.

We can't have a contest because we just get too stupid. It's very dry as crazy. I go psycho. Okay. So we've decided no more contest because we did a contest that one year and we went, we went and saying I was doing cardio like seven hours. Oh my God. Yeah, because it was a contest.

Yeah. I'll just get up in the morning and bang out seven hours of cardio.

Then I was getting up at like seven. So seven, and I was just going straight. I just have some caffeine and go straight to the gym.

Well, it was just six. It was psychotic. We were just in competition with each other. It was totally unsustainable.

That's the key. I know. The key is like not have a way out. And one of the things about this contest thing, or will this sober October thing wasn't a contest. But we had to do a 500 calorie workout every day. See, in a burn 500 calories, which is, if you do sprints on the air-dine machine, it takes about 45 minutes to hit 500 calories. Oh, okay. So it's 45 minutes of 20 seconds sprints, 10 seconds rest, 20 seconds sprint, 10 seconds rest. Yeah, or you could with lift weights, which is way easier, but that's more like an hour and a half.

Lift weights? Yeah.

Well, running is like one of the best things to alleviate anxiety. Yeah. Okay. I see that. Yeah. You just get that because if you really push really hard, it sort of rings out all the shit in your body. It's all the fucking tensions. Yeah. Like a washcloth just rings it out.

Yeah. I think both of those things are true. Like I heard people talking about it in a very like factual way. Like your back pain is all mental like no. Right. Some people have bulging discs and they push against their nerves and they have real problems. And then some people do have some weird sort of psychological thing where they like tense up and they're back and fucked up and it's all in their mind.

wound isn't it funny how if you look back on those moments though like how trivial they really are those things that fuck you up and get your tents and get your mad again the overall scheme of things yeah are you in the contemplate your death once a day and then everything the whole landscape of your worries I change a lot of that yeah

Contemplate your death.

I mean, that's only most of it doesn't matter. It's just in the moment it seems like it matters because it's the most pressing thing that's on your mind currently. And you know, especially if you don't have power over what's happening or if something's going on, it's beyond your control. It's overwhelming sometimes. So it becomes your primary focus.

And setting boundaries for other people.

How many people you haven't let down?

Yeah. Well, you're very nice. That's probably part of the problem. If you're very nice, one of the things that happens is you people use you as their solution.

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So he does it. I'm gonna fucking do that too. It looks right. Look at there you go. Yeah. And then it's like,

Yeah. That's the ending of life, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love it. It's nice. It's nice. It's nice. It works out. It sucks when people are two hyens or two hyangs, and it's like, oh, they're, they, you know, accentuate each other's mental illness.

A lot of relationship. It really is. Yeah.

And then you have to come to the realization that some people never fix any problems. They just have new ones.

And those people that's like this is like a fundamental error in the way they approach life and your help is not going to fix that.

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting seeing even people that were like hardcore vaccine advocates. They're now saying if they had known that it didn't stop transmission, didn't stop infection, and you know, it only lasted X amount of months. They wouldn't have done it. Sure. They really weren't at the same risk level that they thought they were at when all that shit was being forced on people. Now the CDC's recommending it for kids. Oh, it's so stupid. Putting as far as the kids' vaccines schedule. Right, right.

Yeah.

Yeah, I love that dude. But yeah, that it's probably part of it. There's probably some sort of legal reason why they're doing it.

But it's just a weird time. Yeah. You know, there's so many people that had such a high level of anxiety already. And then COVID came along and that was just overwhelming for them to deal with this existential threat that you can't control that's everywhere and it's invisible. Maybe that all of the all the elements that you needed to really freak people out there were afraid and some people just aren't that resilient.

Not really. I don't think you did. But people that you lost from that, it's like, you know, come on.

It also exposed a serious problem that people have with their own personal health. So many people just don't take care of themselves. And those are the people that were the most stressed out because they had the most to lose. They were the most at fear. Sure. Because they've been spending so much time eating shitty food and living a sedentary lifestyle with a very vulnerable immune system. So something came along like this and they wanted everyone to protect them. Right. You know, and that's part of what it was. It's like you're gonna get me fucked up. You know, it's like that. That was the threat. People are like, where you're fucking mask, like, all that shit.

Yeah. It's good. Yeah. It's good. It is. Suffering? It's good to know who could keep it together. Right. It's good. I appreciate those moments of clarity. Yeah. Because you know, and it's also good to see people lose their fucking minds and then regain them. And go, yeah, you know, I was a little out of line there. Sure. And just realize it. Oh, yeah. We'll be accountable.

I just wish people would like recognize like in mass that this is a real issue with personal health. And you should take care of yourself. You should exercise regularly. You should take vitamins. You should eat well. Eat good food.

If you work out, you must be a Republican.

How does that make to these sounds? I get, you know, I get the whole body positivity thing like should be happy with your body. Yeah, you should be happy. But y'all should take care of yourself. It's like better. It's like fundamentally better, undeniably better. Sure. Take care of yourself, you're more resilient. Yeah. And if you did take care of yourself and you went into this thing, healthy if you were less threatened. Oh, yeah. It's something we found out. It's like that probably applies to most things, kids. Uh-huh. You know? Uh-huh. Except like this.

Things Spanish flu was actually worse if you were healthy.

Oh, yeah, Spanish flu was a word. I think in Spanish flu, primarily attacked people that were young. Like, it did something to your immune system. Like, if your immune system was young and strong, like it actually fought against your immune system. We got lucky with this one. This one was lucky because it actually favored people that were healthy, including children, favored people that were young and resilient, and really, really fuck people up that were overweight more than anything. People that were a fat. You know, there was a thing about COVID, the way it interacts with fat. It actually replicates in fat. So people with a fat got a higher dose. It was a higher viral load. Figure out what that was, Jamie. Something about being obese uniquely targeted people for COVID. It's something about this particular virus, the way it affected obese people, which was like 78% at one point in time with the people in the ICU, there were obese, which is wild. But yet, We live in this world where you're not supposed to talk about people being fat as being a real problem. You're supposed to, you know, not fat chain people.

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It was and it's crazy. It's crazy and invented as industrial lubricants.

Yeah, and they decided to feed it to people.

Yeah, cut on all that shit. But if you cut on all that shit and then eat salads with olive oil and balsamic vinegar, you'll feel great. Yeah. They're like, a lot of people eat salads and they think they're doing well and they pour fucking seed oil all over it. Right. That shit's terrible for you. Whenever you do that, I had to sell the other day. And I was like, I know I'm gonna hate this because I know they probably put some whack ass dressing in it. And then after it, it was like, yup, there it is. Yeah. Just comfort feeling. Oh yeah. I wanted to sell it. I ate poison.

But I need some protein. I don't have a peanut allergy. Are they bad for you?

We don't get along. Moments, you don't get along. It's very important. I know. Interesting.

Wow, so you have an allergy to that?

Well, that's the elimination diet. Right. And that's the whole reason why con of war works for people because you're basically breaking it down to just me.

You throw it in a pan. There's a lot of cool shit in Austin when you can find like local places where like, yeah, this is from a farm outside a bass drop. This is where they raise their steers and they go. You know, by and from the people that actually made it, it's not getting shipped from Argentina or something.

Yeah, yeah, it is nice. Yeah, it's that's the cool thing about someone someone said something about Keep Austin weird and surrounded and the idea of Austin being surrounded by real Texas. I think really weighs on Austin because there's a lot of freaks here for sure have the very just a lot of beta signs. Oh, yeah, you know, you drive around and east Austin.

He's a politician who's so rough. He's a guy who's like doing open mics. That's what he's like. He's like never really done the job. But he's out there doing those open mics and doing it like an open micer. He's like an amateur. Like when he does politics, it's like so fucking crazy. Well, they're all like that.

They've sorted out what happened yet. Well, I always conspiracy theories that he knew the guy and the guy was in his house. Yeah. His lover, the boys weren't they in their underwear? Well, one of them was in their underwear. Right. Was it both in their underwear?

It's because we're so close to the midterm. I know it's so annoying. It's a week away. I know. Yeah, so everybody's freaking out. I know. Everybody's freaking out. People are mad at me because I said it's going to be a red wave like the elevator doors open up on the shining. And if you don't think that's the case, you're probably on that you're on that bandwagon. Yeah. If you don't think there's something really wild going on. What's sad is that

It'll be really weird if we find out this was engineered. We really weird if we find out that foreign countries have been infecting. I'm sure it is.

Yeah. And to have a group of people that you identify with that have a very specific ideology that they support. And if you're on that side, you must support that ideology. Right. So when certain things come up, you just say, yes, this is what I'm supposed to say. And you haven't thought about it. And then quietly, when people are alone, they're going, well, I don't know about that.

Yeah, that's a cult. It's very similar to a cult. It's very similar to a lot of mental contagions, because that does happen with people. You know, we're a fucking very strange species. We're very easily influenced and malleable and we're also like very hard-lined and like when we believe something, we want other people to believe it. We want to win their argument. Win that argument that my idea is the best idea.

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Have you been paying attention to Twitter how the Twitter's now fact checking all Biden statements? Good. So every time Biden says something and posted on Twitter, Twitter's like, no, actually that's not true. Like this is this is inaccurate. But they're doing it for everybody too.

It's wild. But it's also a thing you're supposed to say. I'm leaving Twitter because Elon Musk is evil and then like, yeah, he said the right thing. Yeah, like having him run Twitter, I think is going to be great. I think it's gonna be very interesting.

Yeah, you don't worry. We're getting fucking banned for cracking jokes anymore.

It's just nice to have a guy who's like a tech billionaire who has an opposing perspective and has a free speech hard liner. I think that's important. In fact, it literally put his money where his mouth is and purchase the biggest social media platform in the world.

She's so loved. I know. Like universally loved. Like no matter what. Yeah. You know, she's like one of those people like Willie Nelson. I can't hear a bad word about Willie Nelson.

Right, wow. Yeah, why still a lot. I'm still playing. Yeah, I mean, he's 90 now, right? I think so. Maybe older. Yeah. He's 10 years old and Biden.

Biden's dealing with the presidential stress, which is where's you out, like, 15 times more than normal stress.

Oh, he's definitely on drugs.

Yeah, he's got IV marks on his hands. Someone was pointing that out and they're giving IVs. Sure. But that's probably vitamins and stuff. Just to try to keep him as real bad.

Did you see Kyle Dunningin had Tucker Carlson interview Kanye West? No.

Pull it up. Pull up, Jamie. Kyle Dunningin's a fucking him and Kurt Medskirt. They're fucking national treasures together. Those guys, like those fucking sketches that they do. Oh my god.

It's the face swap, too.

Come to Tucker Carlson. I sat down with Kanye West. Oh, Kanye West. Don't sit down with him. He's a scarier. That's what the left wants you to think.

He's not like an okay guy. Take a look. Thank you for being here. Yeah. That's a question. You said Pete Davidson has a 10 inch penis. That true. Yes, who else knew about this whopping dog?

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Well, we need fucking comedy right now. That's for damn sure. We need a little bit of a break and it's one of the more incredible things about the internet as the memes. I mean, just some of the Paul Pelosi memes have been fucking hilarious. There's some really good stuff out there. Oh my god, everyone. But that's the thing about, you know, there's so many acts, there's so many different creative people out there that they can get their stuff out there. Just a meme. And it's a thought, and every spread's around, it's funny. It's like gives you a little break. And it gets you to see how most people are actually seeing multiple sides of different stories.

Everybody gets it. Bill Mark gets it. Everybody gets it. Kate and Jenna gets it. They'll get it. Joe Biden gets it. Everyone gets it. You're all going to get those jokes.

Oh, Annie, Annie Letterman. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's really funny. Yeah, she's very funny. She does that thing where you got catty daddy.

And he keeps taking the glass off the floor. He lived down with her makes a point.

Well, those guys are doing some of the best comedy available online. I mean, that's, that's what's interesting about independent stuff like that. Like, have you seen any Gillian Keaves that's my friend Shane Killis and his buddy, they do these sketches. And they did one was Trump's be dating. okay it's fucking amazing but it's the same thing it's like they're they're independent so because they're independent they can do stuff like this talk girls and things or like that thing and no one's telling them don't do it like he you know Kyle Dungeon had a special he had a show that he was gonna do in comedy central Oh, really? Yes, with the face wops. And they were like, no, you can't do this.

Yeah. One where Caitlyn Jenner was fucking Donald Trump. She was riding a dollar. It was a little too racy. Larry. It was so fun. He gave it to me and showed it to me in the green room with a comedy star. I was crying laugh and it's like, comedy central said, no to this. I'm like, oh my god, they're suicidal. They have a death wish.

Well, all the time. Most of those subjects that were taboo or risqué are now banned. Right. You can't discuss those things. Correct. It's going to bounce back the other way. It's always, there's always like a crazy cultural shift. And people realize that they've made errors. I mean, that was the red scare during the communist day. Sure, sure, sure. It's always like a time wherever they go. And then it just said, well, oh my God, what were we doing? What the fuck were we doing?

Yeah, that's going to be fucked. TV's going to be fucked, but it'll pick up on streamers. Like Netflix will have more options and, you know, Amazon places like that.

There's still good stuff out there.

The gray man?

You know why it's terrible? This is not the same as the books. If you read the gray man books are hard core. Yeah. It's pretty wild. Super hyper violent. Oh, really? Oh, it's all about a CIA assassin.

Probably just being logical. Yeah, but you know, you have to have that diffusion of what is that term, you know, when you, um, you just give in to whatever the show is. Just give in to it. What's that term? God damn it. You know that, that term. God, my brain is shit today. One day of drinking. My brain falls poor. You're going to be okay. Well, you know what you're supposed to do. Keep drinking. That's what they say. Want a cocktail?

Yeah, there's there's still good stuff out there.

It's not hard. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care.

They have a car in space.

But that's the thing if you're watching any kind of action movie. The thing that bothers you is the thing that you have to kind of know. I don't know.

I did it. Yeah. I made it 15 minutes. Oh, what? Yeah. Wow. Also, you got to be kidding me. I can't do this.

No. Suspension of disbelief. That's what I'm looking for. Okay. Suspension of war.

I like that. Well, I like the books. The books are great. Are they? Yeah. That's why I like this series. Okay. And I like Chris Pratt.

In my friend, Jack Carr wrote it all.

See this time of hoax in the wall. That's the cross time of hoax. Okay. That's the terminal.

Yeah. They're all about James Reese. Right. The terminal list of the first one. Right. What are the names of the what the other ones? I think he has these on book five now. So the books are better. Oh, the books are fucking great. Yeah, here goes. So, terminalist, true believer in the blood, savage sun, the devil's hand. I think it's devastating. I think that's what he's got out now, and then he's working on number five.

Well, that's not that headdy, but it's very violent. Yeah. Well, you know, it's written by an actual Navy SEAL. Correct. Who did experience combat duty? Yeah. It's as close to reality as you can get in fiction in terms of like, you know, obviously the good guy wins. Yeah. There's a lot of reality. interlaced into it in terms of, like, how things actually run. Wow. Yeah.

That's that that movie or that TV show the old man. Oh, not the great man. The old man. That's what I meant. Oh, the old man.

The gray man is that Ryan Reynolds. I'm gossiping. I was confused those two. Oh, yeah.

But Ryan Gosling's not old. No, he's not. I was just the old man is the Jeff Bridgette.

That's really good for a few episodes.

How was he getting away? What is going on? How's he driving all the other stuff?

Well, he's terrible to her, too.

bring it back. But in the beginning, like the first episode or two, I was like, holy shit, this show's great.

Yeah, I got heavy with the dialogue with their explaining things with dialogue. Like, you're losing me here. Do you guys get new rights?

They want to change things.

That's why a lot of things get made really poorly. Absolutely. Too many cooks in the kitchen.

No, I'm sure he would. I mean, I've gotten some of it out of him, but it's just, yeah, it's very difficult to get like one creative vision and have that be the thing that gets put out there.

They just feel like they have to include diversity and certain groups have to be represented. It's not what a story is supposed to be about. You should have as many stories from as many different perspectives as possible, but that doesn't mean you should fuck with someone's idea just because you want to add in like a gay character or black woman character or a Asian character. It's like that should be just natural.

Female Ghostbusters was good for a little while.

And then we're buffoons. Yeah. Even Bill Murray, he was bad. He was a bad guy. Right. Bill Murray's the best. They're trying to, they're coming for Bill. Are they? Oh, yeah. What do people saying? There's always people saying that he was horrible to work with. And I'm like, maybe they were horrible. Maybe he just doesn't tolerate assholes.

I don't know either.

You have to agree it's green or there's some problem.

Well, the wildest thing about the BLM thing is there's always over corrections, right? There's always like things that we recognize with giant problems as country and racism certainly is one and then things go so far. to one direction and then they bounce back the other direction. The problem with that is like you don't want it bouncing back into the area of accepting racism. You don't ever want it to be pushed and so far to one way that it becomes popular to bounce back the other way.

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The problem, it also becomes something that people barter in. You know, whenever you have an issue that's a cultural issue, you can have people that are essentially like mercenaries that use whatever that cultural issue is to, for their own personal gain, for their own, and, you know, that's one of the things that people saw with BLM was where all the money went.

Where did it go? A lot of it's missing, a lot of it was spent on houses for the people that, you know, were a part of the movement that now live in the mansion.

Yeah. But the problem is whenever you have any sort of charitable organization, you have people that are actually being paid by their organization and like how much should they make. And then, like, where is that money going? How is that money being allocated? Who gets to decide if you donate a million dollars to an organization? That organization has a million dollars. So they have a mandate very specifically as to where they can apply that money and not, and it turns out, in some cases, no. And people are donating, because it sounds a good cause, and the right thing to do it, it made them feel better to donate. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

That's the same with comedy. Right. I think it's actually harder for women to do comedy.

You know, I think it's harder for women because there's a lot of men that don't want to see women be the person it talks. So like when a woman goes on stage and she's commanding all the attention a lot of men. Oh, fucking could do that. Oh, she'll be doing that. Women aren't funny. Like there's a prejudice about women funny. Yeah, sure. Yeah, there's definitely a there's a prejudice amongst men that some women aren't funny. Yeah, and they're just like, what do they talk about? Look, if one's on stage talking about politics, good luck. It's hard not for a man to talk about politics, but when women talk about politics, again, there's a certain percentage of the male population in particular that don't want to fuck and hear it. Right. You know? You want to change the subject? No. I just think it's a more difficult role, but a lot of women make it. And, you know, those women are very popular. Yeah. It's, but comedy is a meritocracy and that if you are funny, you will and it, it gets out there and people get to see it, they will come see you. Yeah. If you keep working on it and you keep writing new stuff and keep putting out specials, you will have it a career. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that don't have a career and they attribute that to sexism in some way. And you know, I go, did you do everything you could? Are you sure? Yeah. Did you improve? Did you write a lot? Did you work on your act? Were you self-critical? Were you objective? Did you analyze your material and rework it and hone it down to a razor's edge? You probably didn't. You're probably mad and you're probably trying to trip it all sorts of external reasons as to why you're not as successful as other people. That's the point. So it's always going to be that. But then it's always going to be people who rise and most people will look at those people that do rise. and see, especially if those people very dedicated and they worked hard, they go, well, I obviously merit to that.

Yeah, it's just, you're wasting so much time, too, and it doesn't work. First of all, people don't believe it. When you blame other people for your lack of success, other people don't believe it. They let you talk, but they don't believe it. And they don't respect you, because they know that you're looking for excuses. And they'll listen, and they may even agree with you. Like, yeah, yeah, you're getting fucked over, yeah. But really, you know, it's how you behave, what you do, how you think, how you go about doing things, whether or not you can work. What the work part is the hardest part. The sooner people find excuses for not getting things done, it's like you just got to work.

But once you experience it and experience the sort of transcendent moment of the whole crowd viving with a song or enjoying it, it's like, those are beautiful moments in life and the people that don't get to see them, maybe they forget or maybe they haven't experienced it. But it enhances your life in a very unique way. And musicians like yourself and so many others, they provide a thing that if you guys didn't provide it, the world will be less fun, it will be less exciting, it will be less cool.

It feels desperate.

Well, it's the good aspect of no-one curating things. The good aspect of not having executives in charge said people fuck up and they don't, they do things that aren't entertaining or they're needy or whatever. But that's just, yeah. part of the thing. Some people are awesome at it. Some people just have a brain that's so well suited to performing in social media.

I think most amazing owls with a lot of artists. There's the, you want to create, but then you want to be recognized for your creations. And then you try to figure out how to get recognized more. And what do I have to do? And then you have to do things you don't want to do, like social media.

I think that's all you need to do to get the list.

Maybe it's Lori Lightfoot. It just blocked you from promoting.

I don't know what the fuck the behind the scene stuff is. Like Elon posted on Twitter that people that have had their accounts removed and they're trying to get him back. They're not going to be able to do it for a while because they're going through the code and they're trying to figure they brought in a bunch of Tesla engineers to like go into the code. It's amazing.

But apparently during this time, the content moderation really hasn't changed. It's the same sort of algorithm that are in control of content and posts. And so a lot of people leave. Go out of everything's different since you want to come and board. So he made a post like nothing has changed. We haven't changed anything about content moderation. They don't have the same people behind the scenes that they fired everybody.

They were employees. I got to get home to my husband and my wife.

Yeah.

Well, it's just, it's a fun time to goof on people because so many people are so goddamn serious and stupid.

Here we are being serious and stupid. Yeah, we're not contributing. We're just, we're just droning on and on what's the same. But that's life.

When you said you like retooled your career, like what did you do?

Did you and Gary record midnight?

When you guys did that, that one night that we went out, it was who put together that party, some liquor company? Jameson. Jameson. Yeah. So we went out, it was like, was like a Monday or a Tuesday and downtown, like midnight in this small place. and you guys and Gary on stage and you're singing the lyrics off your phone because you don't know the lyrics.

Well, who the fuck would sing a song that they literally haven't practiced ever? And then do it that way. You guys did, but it was amazing. It was such a great version. It was fun. And Gary sound is so distinctive. Like you hear a riff and you're like, oh, that's Gary Clark Jr. He's the best. And he's such a great DJ. Yeah, I love Gary. He's a magic person.

Yeah, there's people that are just magic. They just have a thing, and it just works, and he's so cool, and so calm, and so fucking talented. And when he starts playing, that sound is, it's just amazing to me that someone can take a guitar, and so many people play guitar. But when he plays the guitar, it's him. Oh, yes. His sounds coming through that guitar, and you can tell almost immediately.

Yeah. No, it's exciting and it's exciting that he's here. You know, he was home town. Yeah. Yeah. I remember talking to him before the COVID thing when he moved back. He moved back before COVID. He moved here. He's like, man, I just can't do it. Oh, from LA. Yes, they've been back for a while. I think. Yeah, I just can't do this place anymore.

Yeah, the collective ranks was a scariest thing today because it's like so many people adopted it. Yeah. And it seemed like the tone. That's the weird thing about traveling is you get to see the tone of a city. Like Tom Seger was just talking about Toronto and that he was in Toronto a few months back where people still have to wear fucking masks. It's crazy. Still. That's so crazy. That mask mandate. He's like, this isn't saying. And then he went back to Toronto after the mask mandate. And he's like, you could feel like this is like lifted something off of people.

Yeah. Yeah. It just a more logical approach. And the problem is there was so much push back against that logical approach that was incorrect.

Well, we're just very lucky that there's a place like this that exists. That you could go that was different. Yeah. That people weren't in captured with the fucking angst that L.A.

It's cute. It's cute. Yeah. It's cute. Yeah.

And I was like, what the fuck's going on here? It's the Democrats maga hat. Oh, my God. Twenty days. They're letting you know. I'm on the good team. Oh my God. That's what it is. And they don't want to take it off because it's an identity point.

But it's not just their fear. It's an identity. It's a flag. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

It's also like at this point, what the fuck? Are you not listening at all? Are you not reading anything? Are you not paying attention at all? Yeah. I mean, one of the reasons why I got really into fiction recently, and I've been reading all these gray man books and all these fiction books, is because it's a scapeysome. Yeah, of course. The non-fiction that I was reading was fucking terrifying. I got deep into that, the real Anthony Fauci book. I was like, I got to put a book about that. I told you about that. And Nick and I talked about it when we went to that dinner with Ford and Peterson. And I started getting into it and I'm like, oh my god. Yeah. And undeniable facts. This is not like that. You gotta take breaks from it. Yeah. Yeah. The book is long as fuck and filled with horrific details.

Well, it's good to absorb other people's ideas. It's a good to absorb other people's writing. They're work. You know, and you get a part of their perspective through their work too. It's not just the facts. You know, I'd like both. I like fiction just for just like I don't want to think about reality. It's like it carried away by a story. Right, but I also like nonfiction, but it's just like the problem was that the nonfiction I was leaning into was all just it just filled me with dismay Sure an anger and yeah, you got a bad setup. That book is frustrated. It's tough.

It's fucking depressing When they get to the part where they were experimenting with HIV vaccines on foster kids. Yeah. What the fuck. Yeah.

It's a beautiful. That's the the problems people want to paint Robert Kennedy Jr. is a conspiracy theorist like. You go ahead and do that, but there's a reason why he's not getting sued for that book. Yeah. It's because they have all of the citations. Right.

And just horrible abuses of power. There's so many examples of it. And you could really think that this is affecting the life more even so than it is. Because it's your primary focus. Yeah. Yeah. You go crazy.

Okay. There's too many fucking things to launch.

Yeah, you could kind of make a list. That's the thing that happened during COVID, right? So many people caught up on so many different things. Everything. Yeah. This is an unprecedented time for entertainment. Oh, sure. But it's just so much of it. Unfortunately, it's very limited.

Really?

I got to find something It's never had that problem super weird. I look at puzzles like this is stupid.

Right. You're working together for goal.

When you write music, do you have a process that you go through? Do you just have a thought in your head when you're writing a song? Do you sit aside and say, I'm going to write from 9 a.m. to 11 a.m. How do you do it?

So you don't have like very specific methods. You don't have like I'm going to sit down at 9 a.m. and have a cup of coffee.

just created energy in the house.

But um, that's also great about that kind of environment. Oh, I love it. I love it.

Well we mean by you not sure that they're for you or for others.

Do you do that often?

So when you're writing these pop songs, are you writing them thinking? I don't know if even know if this is for me. We just just created it.

And you just not even sure if it's for you.

Yeah. But I would you know though, like if you're writing it and you're performing it and you're creating it, you know, like maybe this isn't even for me. Like what gives you that feeling that it's is that it doesn't fit with your image is that

I think, I mean, some of my favorite artists, like, they're so different from album to album. Like, Sturgels are great examples. He's great. He's, like, he's so different from album to album. He flips people in their head. They're like, they'll fuck as you do now.

Yeah. You know, but he, you know, what he does is he goes off grid and he got rid of his phone and he has one of them simple phones now. That's awesome. All you could do is text him.

Yeah. He can't get links. It's only green. Yeah. He didn't get links.

He's serious about it. Yeah. He's pretty disciplined about it too. I think Jack White does that, too.

Well, there's a lot of people out there that are realizing that your brain is being captured by all these different things that are on your device. And it does occupy a lot of your time. Yes, it does. My phone broke once when I was in Hawaii. We went to Lenin and I dropped my phone and it just started calling people randomly. Like like like you'd hang up on it to call a new person hang up a call. Oh no. And I was like, look at this. This is nuts. And so I realized it was broken. So I had to get a new phone, but we were on the night. And it took like three or four days to ship it to me. Yeah. So I ordered it in three days, no phone. How was that? It was amazing. Yeah. It's like I have this like giant weight, but I mean why I couldn't wait to get back to prison.

The mental president gets that phone and that's Stockholm. And then check all the texts that I got that don't mean anything.

And once again, yeah, the little dopamine rush that you get from checking text messages and emails. I always feel so dirty with that like, oh, look at all those likes I got.

Yeah, and the likes, that's that's a real real fucking carrot at the end of the stick.

And that was cool. That's actual life. That's what those things are supposed to be for sharing actual real moments with people you actually care about. The problem with social media is that it's intoxicating and people get drunk off of it. They just want to be just dosed all throughout the day.

One of the things people realized about AI and recognizing problem words and flagging things, if you're writing cursive, AI doesn't pick that up. So people are writing cursive and then taking a photograph of that thing and then posting that. So you could post messages about certain things.

Yeah. Yeah. It's exciting. It's old school. It's old timey writing.

I know the sounds crazy but I have to pee. I have to pee too. Okay. So let's pee and then we'll come back and play some music.

I wrote back.

Whatever. Okay. Whatever you want to play.

What does it feel like when it songs over?

You ever think of who you would have been if you didn't discover music?

Everything about that? There's things that happen in our lives and you get into that thing that it changes who you are.

It's a good show. It was really good. Spoiled me for sure. I went from being on a really bad show to being on that show. What was the other show? It was called Hardballs on Fox. Start off really good, really good writers. Yeah. These guys who wrote for the Simpsons, they wrote for Married with Children. And it was that classic story that the network getting involved and ruining it and putting on a hack, executive producer. who had done a bunch of hacky sitcoms, like really clunky shitty sitcoms. And he just wasn't very good. And there was a lot of talented people on the show.

So I was extremely, it was just luck. It was 100% luck. I didn't take any acting lessons. I was an actor. No, it wasn't an actor at all.

Yeah. Well, my point was that it wasn't something that I was interested in doing. It was something that was offered to me. Totally.

Yes, I was doing stand-up first and that's how I got development deal and they made me go to an acting coach in New York when a couple of times it was very I didn't enjoy it It just felt weird. Yeah, you know, and it's just like I felt like the kind of acting, if you're talking about Daniel Day Lewis acting, yeah, that is really fucking hard. But if you're talking about me playing a dumbass on TV, I can do that. I know how to perform. It's like not much different than stand up. It's like a next-door neighbor of stand-up. Because you're doing in front of a live crowd and you're interacting with other people that are really funny. Yeah. Not that hard. Yeah. It's just different. You just gotta get used to doing it. And the, yeah, I think it's the only way you really get used to doing it is like if you're doing it with other people, like in acting class, I girls taking, I just don't know how effective that was. But the point is, it's like, when I was doing it, it wasn't something I wanted to do and it was terrible. The show was terrible. We all knew it was terrible. And then, um, because of all the aforementioned problems that they had with it. And then right after that, that shook its hand, and then I get on news radio. And I'm like, oh my god, this is like the greatest show.

Five seasons. That's amazing. Yeah, we did four with Phil Hartman and one with John Loves.

One thing you did to give me freedom, because I had some money. I didn't worry about not having a money for food or rent or shit like that, which is like the real heavy expense. If everything over people's head is like their credit card debt, whatever debt they have, and I remember when I first started making money, the first thing that I noticed was the lightness. of like life had a lightness to it because the stress of bills were off. And I was like, wow, how much is that weight you're carrying on your shoulders all the time? Because it felt like like physically I felt like a weight was lifted off of me. Of course.

Mostly it's nonsense. Mostly nonsense. You can enjoy some things that you like, the idea that you don't enjoy physical things, like a piece of art, like this thing, like I enjoy this thing. That's a cool thing. But obviously because it's art, But even, you know, there's stuff that people enjoy about wealth, but it's generally not worth the amount of effort that you have to apply to get those things. What really is valuable is the things that you enjoy that make you happy, whether it's fly-fishing or whether it's fucking. Yeah, whatever your thing is. The only thing that's gonna make you happy is doing that thing. The other stuff that comes with it, like the money and stuff like that is like, That can become a problem of its own for some people, because you start concentrating only on that and making more of that. And what do I have to do to maximize that? And then that becomes a primary focus as opposed to what you actually enjoy doing.

Where does it go? Where do you go to the South of France with a diamond and trusted watch and you're showing everybody what you have? Like what are you doing?

And certainly can, and the access to it, like family money, like if there's like some due to own some oil company and he's dying and all the family starts fighting over how much, you know, they're trying to get closer to dad and you know what she's been saying behind your back and like, what? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Ugly and sad and yeah, people are nuts when when when it comes to money and I've seen it with the saddest ones around when someone dies and like the family's fighting with the boyfriend of the person who died or the girlfriend. They're squabbling over money and they have lawyers involved and lawyers are looking out for the best interests or if they're trying to get a piece.

But you, you know, honey, honey together, particularly gave me real insight into how difficult it is to make in the music business. Because I always thought you just had to be talented. It's weird what catches and what doesn't catch. Because I remember the first time I saw you guys, I'm like, these guys are going to be fucking huge.

Yeah. He's one of the best ever. I agree. You know, there's Roger Waters. There's people that can just sell everything everywhere.

Because records would sell. Because people get to money for it. Yeah, that changed everything with that was the number one thing that enhanced some people's appreciation for music and killed record sales all in one thing.

Yeah, I remember the NASA days, and I remember like having like a personal group, agreement with myself, that if I got something from Napster, and it was good, I'd go buy the CD. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I just felt gross, because here I am, I'm on television, and I've got Napster. Yeah. I'm getting stuff for free. That's gross.

And I've done both. And it's great. Yeah, the nature of it, it's meant to be shared.

Nobody talks about that.

This is a wild time.

Like, do I think we got that out of COVID at the very least? Absolutely. Yeah. If we can remember what it was like in the beginning days because in the beginning days when everything we shutting down and we didn't know how long it was going to last or whether or not anything would come back to normal again. There was this importance of what actually matters. You're loved ones. Yeah. It'd be care about it. Like I had to resign myself to never do it stand up again. Yeah, I guess that's over. Same.

Yeah, for sure.

The show that you put on here at that private club was amazing.

You're great. I love, I don't get that much opportunity to see live music even though it's here all the time.

I just, it's fun. I have to for my own head to it.

Yeah. I heard continental clubs to shit.

I feel the same way about comedy. Yeah, comedy here. Yeah, comedy here is very exciting.

Well, you kind of look a little seen. They had a little seen, but when we decide, yeah, short, when we decided to come here, it won 100% changed everything. When we came here, you know, we were talking about your pastel cartel. So what you want?

Thanks. The pastel is calling you, huh? There's this meme of me and Theo Vaughn. He's so funny. He's the best. We're doing vapes. How addictive is that thing? He was very addictive. And it's like a thing where like people, people use that. It's a voiceover. So they'd lips into it. Doing all kinds of things. That conversation with Theo and I talking about vape pens.

So Tom Sigura, Christina Pazitzky, Tony Henscliffe, Derek Posten, David Lucas, Hans Kim, William Montgomery, you know, Ron White. Oh, Drunky Trussle. No shit. Yeah, they all live here now. I mean, we got a fucking army of

These shows that we were doing, we're doing one at the Vulcan tonight. I'm doing the Creek and the Cave tomorrow. We've been doing these shows. They're fucking fun and shit.

Yeah. And people are coming in from all over the world to these shows. Yeah.

Well, you'd rather have a place where you could just go all the time.

And then, if you could do your art locally, it would be great for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's our idea of opening up the comedy club here too. Right. Same thing. Right. And you just, like, an old friend. He just took a hit off that. They penned like it was an old friend. It is an old friend. A little old friend.

Yeah, those that nicotine gets people.

Yeah. They'll legit.

I'm not sure. I don't like its kryptonite.

Don't know, be honest with you. Oh, wait. Count on me for that.

Yeah, we're both super lucky. We found the thing we do. It's a good life.

I'm so happy you can. You really, like, I'm so happy so many people listened to me. I was like, listen, I think we got a way out of this. Yeah. But we got a bandage ship. And it was the right call. It really was. It's a hard call, but it's an exciting call. Because when you do something new like that and you go to a new invite, it gives you a chance to sort of rethink everything.

New pathway. Re-evaluate everything is different. The town's different. The people are different. The vibes different. You got a whole new sort of like reset of what your priorities are in life.

As he's in, sorry, he was talking about that on stage of the night. There's a video of him. He has a flip phone now. Good for him. He's like, I got my brain back. Yeah. I got my mind back. Yeah.

Yeah. You get hemorrhoids from City on the toilet for too long. It's bad for you.

It's as embarrassing as someone asking you if they woke you up. You're like, no, I'm awake. I was like, you're always lying. I was always lying. That's why I'm awake. And what do we do?

Like I talking in the sleep's a weird one.

But because I'm embarrassed. Tyquando days I would have Tyquando dreams. Really? Kicking dreams. I'd like wake up kicking. That's dangerous. Yeah. Wake up like moving very fast in the streets. Yeah. Yeah. It's like programming my brain. Oh my god. I don't want no competition. So I was sleeping because I was like, like, one, no matches in my head. It's all right. It's true. It's true. I used to have kicking. He's like, wake up like in the middle of a kick. Like my whole body would be moving. Like it was kicking. Oh my god. Yeah. Why was the sleep? Yeah. Wow. It was so stupid. It was programmed. Yeah. But that's what it is. It's like your programming yourself or something.

Yeah, it's really in your sleep if you're thinking about your songs. Yeah. And while you're sleeping, you're singing. It makes sense. Totally makes sense. Like is your programming your mind to create songs?

It's probably a good thing though Because if you could just go to sleep whenever you have like real conflicts going on, if they didn't bother you enough, maybe it never was all of them. Correct. You know? Maybe that's like some people's problems. They don't accept. Me don't learn how to accept it. You don't learn how to like think about interpersonal interactions and problems and issues.

Yeah, you're creating unnecessary negative. Yeah. There's plenty of necessary negativity out there. Yeah. You don't need to create an unnecessary negative. 100%. Yeah. And that's like little pieces fall in place when you have conversations, when you're with people, like you put this there, and then they put that there, and then you're like, what about this? And then the next thing, you know, like a totally unnecessary dispute takes place. It's common things for humans.

Yeah, you're trying to be a good person.

Yeah, that's a fascinating fucking story.

How did he survive?

How did he survive the crash?

So he parachuted out and then he gets captured.

People are very soft.

But there's that expression. I love to repeat it. That the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you. Yes. Yes. And it seems like micro transgressions are a big deal if that's all you're experiencing. Yeah. But if you've been through a horrible life experience like your grandfather did, you would have had a completely different perspective about what's important in life. What is that? That would be like the worst thing you could possibly imagine. Yeah. It's just like most people's, we are very fortunate to live the way we live now. Most of our interactions with other people are peaceful. That's so rare in human history.

The problem is social media because that would be a normal thing that a person would do.

That would just be like a bad day. And you tell your friend. But now you're telling your friend on TikTok. Right. And you're tagging people and people share it because it's ridiculous.

It's so on its head. But the worst thing that can happen is that something would shake us out of it. The worst thing that could happen was like a world event would shake us out of it. Yeah, like a nuclear world, like no bullshit. Like that's so possible right now. It's so possible. It's more possible than it has ever been in our lifetimes since the Cold War.

all of it is fucking super sketching all of it is so it fills you with anxiety because you feel completely powerless to these world events that are going on.

But it's not even doing a lot. It's like what most people would be doing. I think it's just talk to each other. You know, the beautiful thing about being able to do this shows just to be able to talk to people, all sorts of different people. I had a farmer on yesterday. Really? It was fucking fascinating. Square. Will Harris from White Oaks, Pastor. It's in Georgia, right? It's a farm in Georgia. It's a regenerative farm. He turned it from an industrialized farm into a regenerative farm over 20 years. The difference between using external herbicides and pesticides and all sorts of shit that makes it much easier to farm, but it's toxic ultimately for the land. So he went over the details of why he did what he did, what he learned and how he went from transitioning this family farm that he had inherited. which was traditionally like, you know, the way industrialized farms are working. They put all this industrialized fertilizer everywhere and then it gets in the rainwater. It's fucking terrible. So they were, they just, they turned it around. It took like 20 years. He said. Wow. Yeah, and just what it's done to the soil and the way this, so everything works in the natural cycle. Like the way he describes it, I think, is like mimicking a natural cycle.

Sure. Yeah, polyface farms is Joel Salton's place. He's been on the podcast a couple of times. Oh, really? Cool. That guy drinks out of troughs. Where cows drink so he can get the biome for his immune system.

You would want to send a rave and with that diarrhea story. You could put this scroll on a rave and put that story.

What kind of diarrhea does that give you? Oh my god he's drinking water that the cows drink out of.

He was one of the first guys who was completely dismissive of COVID in that way. He wasn't worried about it at all. So I take care of my immune system and then he supplements me. Doesn't sound surprising. But what is V's right? What if he's right? I mean, that's a thing about like little kids you'll see. Like when they're really little, especially they touch everything they put everything in their mouth. It's like, it's almost like they're trying to do that, trying to like, medicate themselves to the world. I think it's natural. I think it must be because there's exposing themselves to dirt and grime and the more kids, when kids do that, I wonder. My question would be like, is keeping them sanitary bad for their immune system and is keeping them like letting them put whatever in their mouth dangerous to them because some things are toxic. Like what's the fine line?

It's both. It's both.

It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both. It's both.

Let's go talking about um... That stuff is terrifying. Like Merissa? Yeah. Medication resistance staff.

I know. I know. Deep kid brain parasites.

I've had several friends in that parasites. Yeah.

Shouldn't you check this if you actually have a parasite first?

Can you do, is a heavy metal detox? Is that a real thing? Can you do that? Yeah. Is that possible? What do you do? Is that a real thing, Jamie? What do I do for you? No, what can anybody do?

Start listening to Sade. I had arsenic in my system at one point. Okay. I'm sure. I was eating too many sardines.

I was eating cans of him a day and I know and so the guy could that easily could be it because it was like true. Were you married at this point? No.

It was it was just eating sardines. They they're they're living in pollution.

So there are at the bottom of the water. Okay. That's all the heavy metals and stuff. Yes.

Do you really need to do a parasite? Oh, are you going to call me up? Highly unlikely that you have intestinal parasites, but even if you do, a home remedy won't do much. Well, I'll, I'll keep you posted.

Oh, that's recently. Yeah. That might be horseshit.

The thing is, it's like if you actually do have a parasite, like then there's like very specific medication.

Here it is. Alio co-bacter pylori. H pylori infection occurs when H pylori bacteria infects your stomach. They usually happens during childhood. A common cause of stomach ulcers. Playing with that dirt. Wow, that's the downside, right? Right. Infection may present in more than half the people in the world. Most people don't realize they have H pylori infection because they never get sick from it. Well, you eat the hyper signs or symptoms. of a peptic ulcer, your healthcare provider will probably test you for age-pilory infection. A peptic ulcer is a sore of the lining of the stomach, gastric ulcer, or the first part of the small intestine. So you could be just walking around with that, and have no idea you have it.

Yeah, that's the main use of it. Correct. Yeah.

I did. I did. I was saying that that'll that is a wild thing. That's like an invading army attacking your defense systems.

Kind of. Like, that's what staff is like, staff like you have a little part that we get a staff infection like you got a war going on.

Really? Yeah. Scary. It's a common occurrence with grappling because you scratched and you're rolling around and choking each other in shape. And then also you'll like see something on your shin. Like what is that?

And well, I don't have the super bug fear. I just have a, I did a show with Duncan back in the day where we went to the Center for Disease Control in Galveston and they were explaining us.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's a, there's a lab they have down in Galveston. And it's, where do you think of Galveston? I think it's a Center for Disease Control. Whatever works on the viruses, the Galveston National Laboratory, bio-defense lab, bio-defense lab. So we go down there and they're explaining to us that what they're really concerned about is not like man-made viruses. with a really concerned about. It's like something just jumping from animals to people that's super deadly. Yeah. Like the black plague, like the Spanish flu, like, you know, like, there's, there's some that are just walloping where they kill like, you know, a giant swaps in the world. Yeah. And he's like, we're always constantly trying to work to prevent that from happening. And that's when you get the scope of it, you're like, oh my God, like, this is like at any moment in time, nature could just throw us the wildest curve ball, and especially when you incorporate what happens with the animal agriculture, where a lot of those devices develop and do jump from people.

And I'm not necessarily doomsdaying, but I am saying, like, we've got to look at this thing. Like, this is what we're doing is wild. We're having a little battle with nature. We're trying to trick it and bottle it up and make anti-biotics. Oh, you hunt.

Much respect, surfers.

Oh, easy. And it's doing nothing. It's not even trying. It's not even trying. And just a little bit of undertone, you're like, oh, shit, I can't get back to the shore.

That could happen. This could happen. 100% could happen. It's happened so many times. It's already happened. It's happened so many times. There's always there was one that we're just talking about recently in the news that you can watch this giant comet was by Earth soon. Yeah.

You know, almost want to be like, right there doing that. Like, you don't want to be a survivor.

Of course, everybody feels like that. I don't want it. I feel like if something happens like that, we will be knocked so far back into the past so quickly. that you almost don't want to be alive for it. Because it's going to take so long for people to figure out civilization again. And I think that's happened a fuckload of times kids. I am having Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson come on the podcast this month to talk about that very thing. Those guys have been studying this for a fucking decades. And they're two coinciding theories about what happened. seemed to be based on this thing called the younger drives impact theory, where they think somewhere around 12,000 years ago, we got hit by comments. And there was a very advanced civilization before that, and it got wiped out. And so everything that we see from like 6,000 years ago, like Babylonian, the Samarian texts and all that stuff, all that stuff is coming from people reinventing things. Thousands of years later. So this is like 6,000 years after the impact. So if there's 12,000 years ago, we get pelted by giant rocks. And then when they do core samples, they go down 12,000 years, and they find it's high level of aridium, which is really common in space and really rare on earth. And it usually signifies an asteroid impact. And they find that shit all over at 12,000 years. So when they get to this point, it's almost like there's irrefutable evidence. It's something happened. And that's something was so big. that it might have reset civilization. We might have, human beings might have been really advanced at one point in time, like really advanced. If you see what they did in Egypt, and he realized, I think about that stuff all the time. Oh, yes. The earliest that was 4,000, 5,000 years ago at the earliest. But it might have been way earlier than that. That stuff might have been a remnant of an ancient civilization that was far more advanced than we are right now. It just got knocked into the stone edge. We just don't think that can happen. But fuck it could happen. For sure it could happen.

But we're not necessarily fucking in it up. I think it's just a process. That's okay. I don't think we're fucking in it up. I think there's a process. I don't mean it's not negative. No, no, you're recognizing real problems.

And well, it's because we're not faced with big threats. When you're not faced with big threats, you focus on trivial things. When something big happens, that's when everybody puts the American flag on their heart.

It is, but it's not big enough. The new cycle so fucked. The new cycle so fucked that every day there's like 15 new outrageous and five new conspiracy theories and then there's a new crime and then there's a new mass shooting and then there's a car accident and there's a plane crash. And it's just constant, but you're getting battered by information. So even like the Ukraine Russia thing, people are like boring, done with it, over 200 days, you know, and then they have their narratives, you know, Ukraine's winning, no Russia's holding off till the winter, like it's almost like they're fucking calling a sport.

I don't hear. I mean, I'm sure we're getting some correct information. I'm not discarding the information. I'm just saying I'm not totally aware.

Do you think they've actually gone to that? Do you think like there's governments that have actually made big videos?

Let's not say America because of course we wouldn't do that, right? But for sure, there's gotta be like some hate news footage. Yes. Yeah. It's really good to be getting the beginning of the Ukraine War. Wasn't there a video that was going around? It was like a viral video and people like, you know, look, the Jack got shot down in Ukraine and people found out it's actually a scene from a video game. I don't know about the true Jamie.

Like, yeah.

Well, I can understand them realizing that this is a human giant moment in human history.

Who's that?

Oh, I don't know who she is. What's she on?

Okay. Would I know her by visual? Mad men. Oh, okay.

No. Wrong one.

I don't know. Maybe she's lending her voice for considerable social media problems.

This is Drunk Suzanne.

Yeah, for sure. My favorite Suzanne is a little high, little drunk.

Really, uh, love it. But it's like what I missed the most during sober October for sure.

I know, it's the best.

He's so funny. That's a beautiful thing that you found that. Oh my God. It's nice. I love him so much. It's so happy. I'm so happy to hear it. Thanks. It's such an important thing for people. Some people never find it. You know, never get lucky. And so a lot of it is that. Yeah, there's a lot of weird luck in life. You know, you say you attract things in life, but are you sure?

Are you sure you're attractive?

Like at that point, like you're trying to define something that you haven't definitely defined. Whatever that quality is that does allow people to visualize things and make them happen. Right. There's a lot of other factors there, kids. Yeah. A lot of the fetters action. They've done things.

Yeah, be cool about it. Don't pretend you try it out. Don't pretend it's like a secret. Right. And don't pretend it's like a thing. Every. Let me get to teach people how to do. If you want to learn how to do it, learn from people that did it. Right. That's the best way. That's the secret. That's the secret. You know, learn from it. You need to talk to him. We go, oh, so there's a regular human and she figured out how to be a professional musician. How the fuck can I do that? Talk to that. That's the secret. Yeah.

But you know, you know what you're doing. It's not If I was a kid and I believe that I could manifest everything, just with my mind. I didn't know that there was like significant amount of work involved.

That's such a crippling mentality. It is. One of the things about being a teenager in Boston was that Massachusetts is so hard core work ethic. Those fucking people work. One of the reasons why is because you have to shovel snow. Many, many months of the year. You're doing real hard labor at your fucking house.

Do you want to be blown there back out shoveling their fucking driveway? Me. I've done a lot. Oh yeah.

Well, if you don't do that, you don't get out. You know, and if you don't do it soon, it becomes ice.

There's a part of surviving a thing that happens every year. Like the winters in Boston are fucking harsh. They're harsh. And you get that water off the ocean. So you get that salt water cold that just

It's so cold. It's fucking cold. And it's gonna happen every year. And you're gonna get ice and you're gonna get black ice on the roads where it rains first. And then the whole road is a fucking ice cave. We have to know how to drive on it. I love it. I'm winter baby. I love it. It's real. It's a different kind of person. And those are some of my favorite people that come from winter places. I'm not pulsating. I think California is like being a trust fund baby.

It's always fine. And when it is raining, oh my god, it's raining, oh my god, it's raining, oh my god, it's raining, oh my god, it's raining, oh my god, it's raining, oh my god, it's raining, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god,

It really does fuck with your character development. It doesn't limit you. Like you can still develop a great character doing other stuff and difficult things. But you're not going to get that one essential thing out of nature.

But you can't top it up yourself. But you don't know what that means for yourself. Not just for us, but for yourself. Sure. Like you have to. It's important for everybody.

It's humbling when everyone stranded at home and you look out the window and all you see is white. It's beautiful. Beautiful.

You know?

Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god.

You can't be going out there with sneakers. Fucking 80. You're gonna freeze to death.

While you're freezing your dick off. Yeah. It's cold weather people are different fucking people. They really are. That's like why Canadians are so hardy. Oh. Those motherfuckers doesn't deal with cold.

Jamie, you know. I just feel like people that have to go through shit like that together. There's like a bonding experience in surviving the winner. The only reason all these humans can survive the winner is because people are smart enough to figure out shelters. Like, you can't be homeless there. Like, that isn't like right there with that weather, you're fucked. You know, that tense not gonna make it.

Boston's pretty liberal. Yeah. It's a lot different than maybe their hearty or liberals though.

You have to overcome nature if you live at a cold climate. That's a real thing. It's a real thing of the world and emotional thing. Wow, that's really. Yeah. Well done, man. Just like the people that live next to the ocean. That feeling that you have in the ocean is the same feeling. Sure. Like you ain't shit. You ain't shit. Yeah. No doubt you ain't shit. There's the ocean.

My fucking die. Yeah. No one's going to come and rescue you. No, you can't. They can't get to you. Yeah. Don't, don't even go out. Yeah, there's times where you're told to not leave.

I've been bonding moments for communities. Oh, yeah. You're faced with a threat. Hey, like, hey, do you guys need anything? Absolutely. Hey, we got this. We got that. You know, Hank shot a deer.

It's just how you live, and it makes a stronger human, more resilient human. Yeah. That's what I believe. I think it's part of the problem with living in Los Angeles. There's so many factors that make living in Los Angeles fucked. There's a sheer number of people, which, of course, also equals a sheer number of, a lot of really interesting people. You know, it's a lot of cool people there. No doubt. Well, there may be guidelines. Restaurants and great things. It's a beautiful place. Yes, beautiful place. But you got a lot of fucking people. There's so many. There's so many.

That's toxin to all those people that that have been working hard and haven't made it. You mother fuckers.

It doesn't have to be, though. You know, the thing about all these things is they're attracting people. And why are they attracting me? There's a lot of dumb shit that's attracting me. It's still getting me. I'm still watching dumb shit.

Oh, I have to be watching dumb shit.

No, that's not what I'm saying, but I do get like, I do waste time. I'm not sure. For sure. What I was going to get at is that there's all these different factors that are fucked up out LA and that weather thing is a big part of it. But another big part of it is that everybody goes there to try to make it. And so when you go there, you're trying to get hired for something. So you're always kind of putting on this act of who you want people to think you are, and they only talk in like a certain ideological lingo. It's like very progressivey, right?

That sort of gets injected into things.

Now they're more popular.

For some of them, but then there's people like the Kardashians, they got a grip on it.

But there's been some people that got pretty popular and then people got tired of them. right you got it like for whatever they're doing whatever voodoo the Kardashians have done until the American and the world people they're fucking really good at it people are still watching That's some good food. Is that all you're selling? Yes.

Madonna selling immortality.

Have you seen her on Instagram photos?

I don't know her that well.

But if I did know her at all, I'd say, if that's what you really look like, I get it. I wouldn't show it off.

No, I'm the wrong friend because I'd be like, keep posting. I'm like more pictures. Let's go. Let's go, Madonna. Where did she, there was one where her was like, she was kind of in her underwear.

And like look, you can do other things, but like to be- But does she want to be a sex symbol or does she want to be Madonna? Is that how she feels alive expressing herself? Listen, Dick and her booty up in the air and having them big titties flop around.

The image she posted up if you can't find it, maybe they took it down. If she really looks like that, she looks fucking great. Who Madonna? Yes, for however old she is.

I feel that AC DC song right now. It's a long way to the top.

It's a long way to the top. It's a long way to the top. It's a long way to the top.

Well, maybe some people do. She's obviously got some young fellas that still enjoy them. Okay, that is a strange fetish thing. She's not understanding. Dan Bell's area in of the female Instagram influencer. Look at her. She looks hot and fun. If that's what she looks like, fuck yeah, congratulations. I'm really looking like that at 64. I don't know what the glass is. I have to put on. How does that work?

You're going to put on glasses and the person that you're with is going to look as perfect as you need them to be. That is so fucked. That's what we're going to do. People are going to get mad if you want to have something with the glasses. I want the real thing. Yeah, some people are going to get mad though. Take your glasses off, God damn it. I want you to see the real name. Look who you're really, who you're fucking in those matches.

But that's hilarious. But I'm sure that happened. It's 100% done to happen if it hasn't happened already. If it hasn't happened already, it's 100% done to happen.

Oh my god. Oh my god, it's so ridiculous.

I think there's going to be a lot of people in the future that are living live virtually. And more, more than we can even imagine. I think it's going to get so good.

Well, they think that's already probably fucking up kids' wire, right? Absolutely. They're seeing that sex all over the world. Corindictions and stuff. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, it's fucking the whole human internet technology interface situation. It's so strange to me because it most definitely enhances our ability to do things. But how much of it? It's definitely enhancing in life somewhat. It's giving you some interesting entertainment. You can listen to a book on tape. You can you can learn stuff from your phone. You can ask you questions and get answers.

Handle your booze. That's good way to put it.

But my point is, it seems to keep going in the same direction always. It doesn't seem to be slowing down and it's not going to. It goes into the direction. That's where they share work. I hope not. No, but it seems like that's where it's going. It's going to like a deeper infusion into what it is to be a person. to a point where it's a part of your body and it's I don't think it's that far away. I think once they do start implementing that it's going to be so beneficial to the people that have it that everyone's just going to jump on board. I think it's going to happen radically and I don't think we're prepared for what the fuck that means. Because I agree, I think it's gonna happen in our lifetime. I think in our life, just like when we were kids, there was no internet now the world is a totally different place. I think that's going to happen with a human neural interface. I think they're gonna create something and they're gonna improve upon it as gonna get better and better and there's gonna be a way of interacting with your mind and the internet and all the people around you.

It kind of is. It kind of is, but I think it's going to happen like to human beings and it's going to be one of those things, just like a phone. If you imagine when we were kids, like I grew up in the 80s, you grew up in the 90s. When I was in high school in 1981, I could never imagine everyone would be carrying a phone.

Yeah, was Monica with Debbie, whether those guys going.

It's a different world. But is it better? That's the question. Isn't it better to have all the answers that your fingertips isn't it? It's just different. I don't necessarily think it's bad. My real concern is that we might be the last of the Mohicans. like 100%. I think we're the last of the real human beings. I think we're destined to be cyborgs. And I don't think it's that far off. I think it's going to be lured into it with the idea that's going to fix diseases and ailments. We're already cyborgs.

I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know either, but I think it's just the beginning. It's the tip of the iceberg. That all that stuff that you just cited like people being addicted to Snapchat and stuff. That's all real. It's like that's a thing. You're connected to that device. You keep it charged to keep getting new ones. Better devices mean better connection.

You know what I feel like about that? I feel like it's like holding hands at the side of the ocean while the asteroid comes to hit.

No, I think we're going to.

You'll do it together. You'll both turn your fucking switches on the same time. I feel like we're all going to go into a world of accelerated evolution. That's what I think we're going into a world of. And I think we're going into a world of technologically accelerated evolution.

Yep. He's this neural link that they're developing. One of the quotes he said, you could be able to talk with our words.

Yeah. They're first going to do it with people that have like that are paralyzed and people don't have access to their limbs or access to the function of their limbs. They're going to be able to reignite these. The idea is to have it function almost like a central nervous system, like re-charge. these areas that were damaged in like spinal injuries and stuff like that. I don't know how the fuck they think they're going to do that. Do you have an understanding of how they think that a neural link would work with disabled people because that was like one of the possibilities that they said

Hmm, you know? Well, I would imagine if you get paralyzed, it took probably just a long time to develop your ability to walk again after that. Even if they can fix the connections to your legs, they haven't been firing. But if they can actually do that and get someone to walk again at all, that's insane. Yeah, let me see if I can find that.

But I think that's the way they're going to lure you in though. I really do. I think, but I do remember something about Nurela doing, or having that hopeful potential someday to help people with injuries. But I think that what they're describing is the one I know. A brain implant restored this man's motion and sense of touch. There it is.

But it's going to prove the range of motion in his arms and to artificially recreate a sense of touch.

So is it a chip that's in his brain and then the chip is connected to a cable? So he's in the matrix. So that's one of the things that they think that these neural implants may be able to do is to improve people with injuries. So ultimately if that's the case, that obviously will be very good for people with injuries. The real question is if people start using any kind of a neural implant and interface with technology that allows you to access information has a greater bandwidth for thinking, who knows what kind of programs will be on it that you can run. that can give you logical answers to dilemmas. Who knows what the fuck this is gonna be like?

I just don't know if that's an option. I have a feeling that's not gonna be an option. I have a feeling that once people adopt that technology, whatever comes with it comes with it, and we're gonna be on a fucking roller coaster ride off the side of our cliff. I don't know. I think we're going to be cyborgs and it's going to happen really quick.

But that's not they're not talking about an implant.

So using that implant, I think it has to do with that sleeve.

Okay, so go back to that other page so we could read the description of what it's supposed to be doing.

Well, I had that whatever that explanation was under it was narrowing. Okay, wearable sleeve showcases a unique background in developing life enhancing products for the first time ever this technology allows us to measure the nerves and muscles of the forearm with high resolution and in real time. The result is targeted simulation interventions that we create. Oh, excuse me, stimulation interventions that we recreate complex dexterous hand movements. So as you move your hands, it will show an actual hand because you're moving the muscles that are specific to moving parts of your hand.

So what is that recreating his movement of his hand? Is this person that has a paralyzed hand? Is that what that's supposed to be?

Oh, how does chip and skull? Yo.

No, no, I'm not getting chips. No, I'm not getting chips. No, I'm not getting chips. It's going to be amazing when you see through walls with these other minds.

Yeah, probably. Probably just like go on another planet in your brain. I think that's probably what happens to life. I think what we're doing right now is we're like making a cocoon. And then out of that cocoon, a butterfly is gonna come out of there. And that butterfly is gonna be a new one. You want to be a robot? Not necessarily.

Oh God, I don't. If I am, I'm not thinking about it. I want to be an eagle. That's what you like. It's like they could tell you you could be whatever animal you want. Right. Imagine animals had people who were born.

I know how fucked we would be if animals were as smart as us.

They have amazing chances. They have amazing chances. But as far as smart, no, we can like, we can plan shit. They can't plan shit. They just go on instinct for the most part. But if like, deer could plan shit.

You know what would accelerate people's acceptance of climate change? Oh God. If global warming was making spiders bigger. Spiders just got sort of getting really turns out there's a switch. Whatever. If the world gets like above one degree temperature, spiders grow by 400%. Really? Every spider just eat. No, I'm making that right now. But imagine if this is to have every degree, so but accelerates a 400% one out. You get also and you got a fucking laboratory size spider. Fuckin' up your grandma. You come home, your grandma's wrapped in a cocoon in the middle of the living room. The living room.

It's very, very difficult. But they've more faithful to the book, I think. I think that's why I was so hard.

In sex. When he was fucked up on the hooch and doing low, he made some of the greatest fucking books of all time. Anybody, you can't tell me any different. I guarantee you the hoots. You like scary stuff below.

And it was a possibility.

Well people talked about it like it was a real thing. Yeah. I was watching a YouTube video once of a guy who's performed exercises. It was a priest who was talking about different exercises that he performed.

Well, if it's real, one of the best ways, if you were the devil, you would make it preposterous that you would be real while at the same time people worship God because if you believe in God you have to believe in the devil right it's part of package deal but listen so if the president is on television it says God bless our troops everybody's like all right but if the president gets on TV and says we've located the devil he's in Sudan we're sending troops there immediately like what The fucking actual devil? No, bitch. This guy's out of his fucking mind. You can say, God bless us all. May God be with you. You can say, I am a God-fearing man, and I believe in God. I think God has a message for us all. You can say all those things. Sure. But if you say, I know where the devil is, and we're gonna go kill him.

You fucking idiot. You believe in the actual devil. There's actual, but wouldn't that be the best way for the devil to hide? Wouldn't if the devil's real if Satan is real and if they're the really our demons wouldn't the best way to just hide and plain sight and ridicule. Imagine. Imagine if all of the evil of the world.

I think it could be shit that's infecting Putin's brain right now and all these dictators and all the people that are having people murdered in this. I'm attacking and imagine.

Maybe demons are just dogs.

Yeah, there's that too.

That is right. And that's a function of what? Is it a function of genetics? Is it a function of raising the child? Is it a combination of all those things?

And other things. And just like, is it just a function sometimes of you just didn't get wired correctly? Like, how many people do you know that it is not wired, right? A deal. A deal. A deal? Especially artists. Like, some artists are just not wired, right?

There might be something to it. There might be something to just getting people to believe it. Maybe that's almost enough.

And it is creepy when you think about old stuff and the devil. That's the creepiest. That's why the exercises are so creepy. Right? They found that old talisman.

I don't, I don't want it. Ancient stuff and the devil. That's the scariest stuff. Like they found an old scroll and if you read it out loud.

Have you read it? The problem with the New Testament is, from what I understand, it was created and curated by Constantine and a bunch of bishops. They literally decided what to put in the New Testament and what to not put in. When you get to the Old Testament, the Old Testament is the wildest shit. Because it shows how petty people were over things. Like, one of them, there's a story about how a guy who's bald. No tolerance. This is a guy who's bald. And some kids called him a bald head. and so a bear comes out of the woods and kills all the kids. because the guy was bald.

Just fucking the lesson is don't be mean to bald guys. It's the dumbest lesson ever. It's like this fucking guy, these kids murdered. He had them murdered because they called them a bald head and like this was like God's version of like righteousness. Like there's some wild shit in the Old Testament. What is that story? What is that exact story about the dude

Oh, well, it's about a fucking bear eating kids though. Whatever his interpretation of what the ultimate meaning was supposed to be as thought down over thousands of years of text and an oral tradition that spans a thousand years after that or before that. What is the actual verse? What is it about? So it's some boys or they tease him. Okay. Some boys tease him. So it says he went up from Bethel and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him saying, go up, you bald head, go up, you bald head. So that was enough. And God was like, I've heard enough. I will now send in bears. So then God sent in a fucking she bear, I think he said. He called it a she bear. So what does it say what what happens where the the bear comes in? Well, this is all talking about how it's wrong. So okay, let's let's find what the kind of sounds like. Let's find what the translation is first and then we'll go and refute it. I just want to see what the actual translation was. Uh, detective. First pair. Okay. Came out and told him, go up. You bald head. They said, go, uh, go on up. You bald head. He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Lord is in all caps. Then two bears came out of the woods and mold 42 of the youth. It seems unbelievable that God would cause two bears to mall group of children for making fun of a man for being bald.

But if that is that the translation?

It's the kids killed by the virus.

It's not a word. Maybe it's bald. Maybe it's bald. They even called him content. That's literally God's reaction is to have a bear kill 42 kids. I don't know how you could spin that. This sounds like they're trying to spin it. That's where I was going to go.

Yeah, perhaps. But it wouldn't matter what the name would be, that he would call him, cut head. There's not a chance in hell that a righteous God would send a bear to kill those kids. That's, but well, so that's, if that's the actual translation that a bear came and killed the children, which I've always understood it to be, Kurt Metzker, explained to me what that saying going up you bald head, that it's like, it's more harsh. It's like, we think of it as like, I mean, it's like going up your asshole or something like that. It's like, it's mean. It's not as seen. Like, get out of here, bald head, whether it sounds like so pedestrian. Yeah. Yeah, probably as a harsher, connotation to it. Okay.

God decides to have a bear come and kill the kids. What the fuck? So those stories are the most fascinating to me. Because like how petty people were. And it was obviously like there was like human like feelings of the world, divorced from God's, if there is a pure loving God, and that God gave us a message, like the people fucked up, message up. But how many translated it down? There's a lot of human gis all over it. That's what you're just in it.

But... To me, the most interesting version is that he scrolls. Sure. Did you ever read any of that stuff like the John Marco Legra stuff? John Marco Legra was a scholar who was also, he was a diagnostic, he was a gnostic, but he was an ordained minister. So he became an ordained minister and they started studying theology and eventually became agnostic, but he was a language expert, and so he's hired to decipher the dead sea scrolls. So they did it for 14 years, he deciphered these things. They're putting together these. They had to use DNA because they had to make sure that the cow, the fragments were from the same cow, which would indicate that it was the same piece of skin, because it's literally on animal skins, that they found in these ceramic vessels in cumeron, hidden in the side of a mountain, wild shit. So they take these down, they realize this is the oldest version of the Bible by far, and it's the, I think it's an Aramaic. It's one of the only ones in Aramaic. And at the end of this translation, over 14 years, John Marcolello writes a book called The Sacred Mushroom in the Cross. And he says the entire religion was a misunderstanding. And what it was originally about was psychedelic mushrooms and fertility rituals. And that that's what created this religion. These people were taking mushrooms and they were experiencing God and they were having fertility rituals because they were trying to be as bountiful and have as many babies as possible. And that's what the Bible was originally all about. Now, by the way, it's heavily disputed. A lot of people don't agree with them. A lot of people think it's blasphemy and it's this and it's that. But the fact remains that this guy was a legit scholar, rock solid credentials, not a drug addict, not a guy who even did psychedelics. But it was his interpretation after all this time that a lot of the things in the story had meanings that would go back to psychedelic mushrooms. And one of them was the word Christ. He said you could trace the word Christ back to an ancient Sumerian word that meant a mushroom covered in God's Seaman. They thought that when it rained, it was the Lord putting seam in on the earth. And that's why things would grow from the rain. And one of the things that would grow is these mushrooms, like overnight. So overnight they'd find these psilocybin mushrooms, and these amygdala mascaria mushrooms, like uncouch it. And they'd pick them up, and they'd eat them, and they'd trip balls. And so they wanted to protect that and hide that from intruders, and they hid it in stories and allegories. And this was his assertion.

Sure. Yeah, they've crushed nations, killed innocent. And we're probably doing it right now.

It might really be. It might really be, as if you think about like some of the teachings of Christ. They really like aligned with like psychedelic mindset that the treating each other like we're all the same. Yeah. That we're all one.

Yeah. It's so many people do.

Live your life the right way. Yeah. And try to be cool man. Jesus, just be cool. Yeah. But it's like, that's what we're all doing, right? We're all just trying to figure out how to live life better. And when something comes along, it seems to be like a method that other people are using, whether it's a religion or whether it's being a Democrat, whether it is that gets you thinking that you are on the right side of things and you're with a good community and you support, you know, you get into it. We have problems. in adopting patterns of thinking and behavior and being tribal and and fucking being against other people that we just determined to be of a differing ideology and we would justify like horrible behavior in the name of doing that.

There is a lot of polarization and you write there are a lot of foreign factors like there's a lot of governments that are dedicated to fucking with people online and getting people to fight with each other. That's real. I mean that is a hundred percent real thing that seems like it shouldn't be real. It seems like espionage, cyber espionage, like some kind of crazy like a diversion of the attention of people. But it's real. They really are doing it. and whether it has a 1% effect on people or a 10% effect on people, whatever effect it has an effect. And you got to be aware of it, but I think that's one of those things that we're going to work through. We're going to be, we're going to have to be more sophisticated about what we absorb. And it's going to, ultimately, it's going to be like a cyberwinter. I'm going to have to go through a cyberwinter, develop some thick skin. And maybe that's what kids are going through. They're going through cyberwinter. I wouldn't want them to go through winter. I never went through winter. My poor children have to shovel snow. Maybe that's what they have to do. They have to shovel cyber snow.

All-wheel drive with your mind. Get free yourself from it. And maybe it's our job as people that have lived in both realms. You and I both grew up with no internet. And then all of a sudden there was an internet when we became adults. And we kind of grew up with it along the way. It absorbs and becomes a part of your life. But we know both worlds. They're not going to know both worlds. They're never understand. They will never understand our version of the world. Just like we'll never understand that people that came over on a fucking horse pulled buggy. a wagon with your family, your babies on a wagon. And there's a dusty road and there's like seven or eight other people like you ahead of you.

And then you see Indians.

We're going to be one of those stories. We're not going to make it.

What a show. The American West, like, thinking about how fascinating people were with, like, the settling of the American West, and that's only like a couple hundred years. It's a long time in human history, but it's so iconic in our understanding of what happened to America. You know what the best interpretation of it I think is? The Clint Eastwood movie. What does that movie? Clint Eastwood, the one who is your older guy, he came back. Do you remember Jamie?

Yes, I can't remember. Oh, sorry. I can't remember it right now. No, it's on the tip of my tongue. Morgan Freeman, Clint Eastwood.

Damn it. People screaming at their phones right now. I'm so sorry. Unforgiven.

Not just couldn't get it. It just wasn't there for me. I didn't take out the brain today. That's a reverse commercial. I didn't take out the brain now. I'm stupid. But that movie was That was like the end. It was such a good it was almost like he was wrapping up a story like he had to do these movies when he was younger and he had a version of the West that was very cartoonish in a way and maybe even missing you know missing some beats of reality there were 1970s movies right and then he made a real one. And in this one, this one's harsh. This one's harsh. And this one gets you a feeling like it would it really would be like to live back then.

No, it's really. You know, they say that that's what happened. Europeans came over to America. and got syphilis and brought it back to Europe. Yeah, that's like during the 1400s when all those dudes were wearing the wigs because they had like holes in their heads. It was syphilis. Yeah, well, that's over the judge. They had one of those too. But those people got it. They got it from here. Apparently that's the theory. That was a super bug. They brought it over to them. That's the scariest thing. You think about like 90% of the people in this whole continent were killed by disease over a small period of time.

And you probably didn't know what kind of dangers lay ahead. They didn't really tell you that, wow.

But yeah, if one of the forces gets taken out in the middle of the night by a wolf.

Jack Wars. Jack Wars. There's Jaguar still in America. They show up in Arizona. Oh, yeah. I know that.

No, no, no. Jaguar is a South American animal. Right. Right. Really big cat. Right. Jaguar's a little bit bigger than a cooger. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think Jaguars. I don't think they have them. I think Florida has a Puma, and it's a mountain line, basically. It's a mountain line, Elizabeth and Florida. And they, unfortunately, a lot of them get hit on the highways. I've seen it. Yeah. I've seen them once. Yeah. I've seen Doug ones. Yeah.

Yeah. But I've seen them in the wild on three occasions. One two occasions it was very briefly and they were both pretty small. One of them was in the woods and Colorado. One of them wasn't in the street in Montecito. No shit. Yeah, I saw this thing and I thought it was a coyote for a second. I saw the tail. I was like, oh shit, that's a cat.

It was a big cat. Not a big cat. Like 60 pounds. So like that. And then I saw one in Utah a year ago that was about 180. Oh, 90. It was you. It was big. Were you far away? Yeah, I was 30 yards away and I was inside of a truck. So, but it was chilling. I was looking through the glasses at it. I had to put up binoculars, so I was like looking, it was only 30 yards away and I'm looking, I'm like right on top of it with the binos that are really good binoculars and it is huge. It has this giant pumpkin head because it's got all these muscles on the side of its head for crushing things. I mean, it's a big tom. And it has enormous paws and forearms. That's what I know. It's like the forms were enormous. That these big thick rope-like things that take out elk. And it's just sitting there like that. Underneath this tree, looking at it.

Yeah. Generally, I use at least one guy. Most of the time it's one guy in me. That's eight.

You should be with at least four. Nope. You make too much noise. You make too much noise. You can't get too much smell and too much movement and too much noise. You want to do it with a minimum amount of people bottle.

Wash with that day and stuff are you trying to know? Won't work. Their noses are too good. It's it's so insane. Their sense of smell. It's all about finding where the wind is going. So what you do is you carry this little wind checker with you. So it's like a white powder like talcum powder. You puff it in the air and it shows you which way the wind is blowing. And so if the wind is blowing that way, we're going that way because that way the wind is in our face and the animals aren't going to get our scent. They're going to come towards us but we're they're not getting our scent. But if they do get your scent, you're fucked. Right. Hundreds of yards away. Hundreds of yards away. They pop up and one of them will bark. And then they fucking take off.

They make noises, they woof, do different animals do different things?

I haven't had any scary runnings with things other than in Alberta. I did see a grizzly bear. And there was a very different end. And it wasn't a big one either. It was like a six foot bear, which is not big for grizzly bears. But it was the way it looked at me was so much different than anything that I've ever seen in a while. It looks like you like this. Like black bears I've seen black bears in the wild and they look you like this like what are you we're gonna meet? Are you gonna put your food or am I gonna eat you or are you gonna eat me? They're a little nervous. Grizzly bears don't look at you like that. They look you like this. Like right at you am I gonna eat you? Who's trying to think of she eat me and we had shot guns and so uh

And not the time.

Probably good move when you're shocked on the handgun. Just because you're my friend. I love you. I love you. Probably should not be there. This is more me worrying about you. But lurks just looking at them eye to eye and thinking this is a thing that's taken out loose. This thing's out, you know, eating moose calves and shit and cannibalizing other bears too. They eat each other a lot.

But you know what might be more intense? But we're just not looking at it at scale. It's praying mantises. They might be the most evil mother fuckers on earth. I went down a praying mantis rabbit hole this morning.

No, I was watching a fucking Instagram reel. And it had this praying mantis that was destroying like a caterpillar, just holding it and just eats the whole thing. I mean, it's almost as big as it. And it consumes the whole thing.

So what they do? Oh, yeah.

They made with them and they eat them. That's a black widow thing too, right?

Jamie. She kills the dead. Like fuck you bitch. I'll raise my own kid.

myth when black widow spiders mate the female always kills and eats the male fact this myth which is not totally false but very far from true is believed even by scientists think it be found in many ecology textbooks okay but if it's not totally false so I can say do you eat your husbands I don't eat all my husbands

They do a good job and they're polite. I let them live.

You know what's the most evil? What? Octopuses? What? Because female octopuses are larger than the males. And they'll have sex with the males until they decide they don't want to anymore and then they often kill them and eat them. That is unfortunate. So the male might successfully breed with the female like 13 times in a row. And he's going back for lucky 14, but not today, bitch. You worn out your welcome and she kills them and she eats them. Yeah.

Good point. Solid point. When he went out of ruthless world, that is. And you want to complain about pronouns? Yeah. Jesus Christ.

You're not a plural.

What the fuck? If that's the case, that other person sounds like a black widow apologies. Well, this though, I read the whole thing. Didn't they? Very much so like, no, well, sometimes it's true.

They've been trying to community. They're under all your pool mattresses.

Oh, they all do a lot of spiders. Oh, Jesus. That insect world, that's what I'm talking about. That is the mother fucker of worlds. Yeah. And that praying mantis, the mother fucker, the insect world. They just hold on to bees. They catch bees, and they're like, nah, bitch, I'm just gonna eat you. Head first. They eat them asshole first. Like they have bees.

I don't know what to tell you. Find a video of a praying mantis eating a wasp. They just kill wasps. And when they do them, they're like, you like, you can kill that kept them as pets, which I thought was. What does that mean? Yeah. Look at that. Just eating a bee. Look at that. What the fuck man? You almost feel sorry for the bee. They're like the bees closer. Don't you aren't you on team bee right there? Because the bee is like furry. He's kind of like us.

Look at this evil mother fucker. Just eat his head. Just grab that bee from behind like he's hoist gracy and eat his fucking head.

Do you imagine if that thing was as big as an ostrich?

It would be like a quiet place. Oh. Like that movie? A real life version of that movie. That's what that would be. I'm not ready for it. Praying mantis is chasing a stone.

He gets all five of them. He grows this size of a giraffe. He kills everybody. The three simple eyes is eyeballs up there. One of those things to the left and the right. Super eyes. Oh my god, yes compound eyes and simple eyes. He's a murderous predator. You ever see him kill hummingbirds?

Yeah, go to praying mantis kills. How many birds?

No, I love them. No. They stay around bird feeders. But we just need to know how ruthless these things are. Because you would think there's no way they're not doing it. Watch this. Watch this. Look at it there. This is so crazy. So it's just sitting there. And the bird is no idea. No, they have talents. They pierce the fucking body cavity of that thing with talents. And then just drag it up towards it and slowly consume it. And they do it all the time. This is not like, oh, I'll try eating that. No, they eat it later. He just taking chunks out of the fucking hummingbird.

Dude, fucking ruthless. I don't want to see it. He's gonna eat a mouse. Watch this shit. They eat mice. Oh, hello, little mouse. I'm just a stick. Don't mind me. Bam, bitch. Look at that. That is a fucking super predator. Imagine something that can take out something that's quite a bit heavier than that. Oh my God. Because the mantis is way lighter than that fucking mouse.

Oh, the eat reptiles.

Oh, yeah, I get that. I guess. Yeah, reptiles do that. I'm a big fan, I think they're scary.

I think insects are scary than reptiles and lizards. Insects are like the lowest form of evil.

Yeah, they can color themselves to like, they can look like anything.

I think it's pure white like the leaves sitting on. It looks like they're just destroying things. And look at that, it looks just like a flower. And then you go over in land. And it's like, oh, come on over. I'm ready. I'm your friend. And come on right here. Here's a good spot for you to land. If you land, I'm just a flower. I'm definitely not a murderous predatory raptor like insect. Bam, gotcha bitch. He tried, didn't get him. That was a mistake. That's a lot of movement. So this thing is like picking up on movement and just trying to find the right time to explode.

When does it get it? It keeps trying. They can run. So this is interesting that it's not always successful. Oh, I got it there. So we're to get it. Oh, right there. It just, oh my god. Jesus Christ.

There's no ruthless. It's such a ruthless insight. And they're fascinating to see in the wild because you look at them and they really are different than all the other insects. Because they're a predator of insects. Like the predator of the ones that we're all scared of like bees. Now they're like, I'm scared of bees or you scared of bees? They'll kill you. If not of them bite you at once. What's your more of the killer bees? Everybody's worried about African eyes killer bees.

They're cosplay and mantises. It looks like it. No, that seems like some sort of real bug. I don't think it's a mantis, but it's something. That mantis channel. Oh, it's a kind of mantis, maybe?

Yeah, it's a, whatever it is. Yeah, we're lucky they're little. That's all I'm saying.

I am. Are you? I think so. I think so too. Yeah. I think we're all going to be fine. But I do think that we're legitimately going to become something different than we are now. Just like we are different than little house in the prairie. We are different thing. We're a different thing. And that thing that made us a different thing is just the beginning. It's just the tip of the iceberg.

We're going to see. I think we're gonna be okay. But we're not. That's the real devil. That's the real devil. Look at those devil mantis. Devil mantis.

Oh, there they're they're up in like a defensive pose if they're trying to strike.

It's good. Oh, yeah? You gotta settle into it. Suspension of disbelief is very important. Again, predator.

You like the new one, the new one's cool. It's about the command cheese. Okay. The command cheese.

Yeah. So a girl command cheese. Oh, I like that.

Yeah. Bring it on. I was like, come on. It's pretty good. It's fun. It's fun. That's, you know, if aliens really are visiting us, that's the least of our concerns they're hunting us. Oh, yeah. I think we would literally be with like.

I think for sure, there is something from another world that observes us. And I think it makes sense. If there are things that are that advanced that's out there, why wouldn't they keep an eye on us? And if there is a thing, they would understand how fragile or fucking little psyches are. Why would they let themselves be known? I think there's a slow trickle of information as our technology expands and we'd be able to track things better and better radar systems and they're getting more and more data and I think that's how it's supposed to be. I think that's how we're supposed to figure. It's only going to land on the White House lawn. Hello, we are here with wisdom. I don't think that's going to happen, but I think we're going to slowly become more and more aware of their existence because we're slowly going to have better and better systems that pick up things on earth and other places.

If that idea, if human beings create a cyborg, and that cyborgs infinitely more intelligent than a human, and the cyborg invents a better cyborg, and it keeps going until someone gets to a point where they control black holes, they can create new universities. That is a God. Maybe that's what the creative force the universe is going through us. Maybe the idea that you are God. It sounds so fucking stressful.

Oh, well, that was the horrible one. It was the one that was scary. Yeah, that was a good scary. I did not find movie.

Yeah. Lawrence Fishburn. Yeah, yeah. Solid movie. Yeah. That's a good movie. That was like a wormhole movie. They went through a wormhole and satanic shit happened. Yeah.

Yes, hell, what's hell? But I think if human beings can do what we can do, being these weird primates and these weird talking animals that have figured out how to manipulate our environment and integrate with technology in a crazy way that no other animals doing, it just seems to make sense to me that that if you could stay alive for a thousand years or a hundred thousand years, if human beings continue to evolve and stay alive, they will eventually assume the power of gods.

Like, we already have the ability to kill everyone in the planet. If this stupid shit with Russia and Ukraine, if this goes down to the point where like nuclear weapons are exchanged between countries, there's enough nuclear weapons to kill everything.

Okay, wrap this up. We're obliterated. It was great to see you. Tell people your social media.

And if someone, what's the best way for someone to get your music?

Oh, Suzanne Santo.com. And can they download digital for your website as well?

Hey. So is everything listed on your website where people can find all the stuff you've done? It is. Okay. Yeah. Well, thank you.

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