Transcript for #1930 - Adam Curry

And I was just thinking, is this my fifth time? I think so. Dude, I feel so blessed. I'm blessed to have you. It's like holy crap, man. I get five times in three years. And I was the, and we have of course the, the first show in the, in the old new studio. Yeah. Yeah, you were the first. Remember we had to wait for like two hours and the mics weren't working and we couldn't use headphones and then we made a big mistake of getting really high.

That's part of the fun. Yeah, yeah. Well, and the place looks phenomenal. That's really really beautiful.

Well, okay, so I did something and it end of last year was a shit of done 10 years ago. I had a real problem. No experience. No, I wish. No. Well, I wound up kind of being a cool experience, but my the bone in my jaws degenerated. You know we go to the dentist mate stick that thing in and they go to three nine nine eleven and that's millimeter. So you know I had like a good habit pocket so the bone is just degenerated. And so I was really a candidate for full-on dentures. Oh, Jesus. Uh-huh, exactly. And so I found these great dentists, one in Fredericksburg, one in Kerville, and one does all the cosmetics that I said, look, dude, I cannot. have dentures. In first of all, my wife will never sleep with me again. That's the worst thing. I'm not going to put shit in the glass next to me at night. No. Second, I'm really worried about my speech. You know, I can't be glistening and doing all that shit. This is what I do for a living. So they figured out they could remove 12 teeth. Jesus. Amen. Twelve teeth and now mind you I've never had any procedure I've never had never been under anesthesia I've never even had an IV so and quite frankly I was quite terrified of it. But it had to be done, because as they did the scans, they do that. I think it's a CT scan. You can slice through your head. Not only was this degenerating, but it's gotten all the way up to my sinuses, and there was a low level infection. Holy shit, you didn't know? I thought I had allergies. Wow. So we'd always go out to eat in Austin, you know? And then, you're like, Austin's filled with shit, because in a minute, I'm eating in a restaurant. It's like, that's just streaming down. Like, what is going on? Turns out, eating, you're aggravating the infection and the sinuses, and it just, you know, it would just really get bad. Oh my god. So I didn't even know this until, you know, just before I got this procedure. So the idea is they knocked out 12 teeth, formed the front, for the bottom, and then, you know, a couple of these molars, which was, I mean, I was fucking afraid. Did you take pictures?

I'll show you. No, you're gonna think it's a TikTok filter when you see it. But so it put me under for five and a half hours with fentanyl. Hot damn. Exactly. Now mind you. I'm there my wife is there. I'm like, I was more afraid that I'd be than anything. I've never had this. I've never had an IV. Never. Never. No. And so it goes in and I was that it. Who? But I kept waking up. Of course, by then, you're anesthetized and everything. And as I kept waking up during this procedure and they would hit me with some more fentanyl, I didn't even know. And I guess medical fentanyl is pretty, pretty normal to use for this kind of procedure. And later they said, Any red hair in the family? Red hair. Any Irish in the family? No. Because they apparently red hair and Irish have high tolerance for all kinds of anesthesia and drugs. Interesting. And I said, how about Bilber? And I said, how about a group and Amsterdam? Oh, yeah, yeah, that's probably. We gave you enough fentanyl to put an elephant under, man. It's okay. But I kept waking up and I remember a lot of it specifically. So after that's how swollen my face was.

That's what everyone knows and believes it. Yeah.

Yeah. And so now I'm also firing my bone. So they put a platinum titanium. What does that word? Awesome. It's growing. You're growing bone. Oh. And the what they, you couldn't do the technology is amazing. You couldn't do this 15 years ago. They have to get some bone from your hip and graph that on. Awesome. It's still an attitude. So they put a titanium plate on the top and the bottom with two little screws, titanium screws, and then some plates where the mullers were. And then they take some of your own blood. They mix it up with some, I think, pig blood and maybe some weaker bones or something. We don't really ask about that. If I start speaking Chinese, then you know what's up. And so now in the growth process and so I have a bridge here. And I think they look good. I mean, these are temporary, but like, hi, I can smile. They look totally normal. Thank you. That's no idea.

Oh, I should ask about that.

Well, I want in permanent, but yeah, there may be benefit to put in a different, you know, put a little, little fang in there or something.

Great for how low. One time a year, you did it. So literally have these two bridges are connected to my K-90th. They have to adjust them because it's going to be six months before the bone is ossified enough to then put the posts in and the permanent teeth. That's crazy. Yeah, but these guys are great, you know, they're like mid 30s.

Part of us genetics also when I was young like two or three we lived in Uganda for a couple years and my parents if they were also young parents and but they didn't know what the fuck they were doing I guess so they put me to bed every night with a chocolate cookie So by the time I was 11, 9, 9, I just had cavities and all kinds of shit going on. And that's why I developed an incredible fear of dentist. So later on, as I said, I should have done it 10 years ago, but going through a divorce and the dentist was actually some gay guys start hitting on me and I was like, you know, fun time.

I'm like, now what are you doing, man? No, so I didn't want any of that. But I'm so happy I did it because not only is it almost fixed my sinuses just by removing them just by clearing that all up. I also hear better. You know, I have my hearing aids. Yeah, not that it's louder per se, but I hear more high end. So because of lack of infection. Of course. Of course.

Well, this is this was the downer. Well, the infection just kind of goes away. I mean, I don't think I had any Well, I did have some, or um, yeah, just some, some pill I would take, but they get for pain, they gave me ibuprofen and hydrocodone. Whoa. And the hydrocodone I took for maybe five days, you take ibuprofen, hydrocodone. And the hydro, it didn't nothing for me. It's like, this is not helping any pain. What it did is it made me fucking constipated. Oh, no. And you know, and then you get gased, it's all trapped and stuff. Oh, man, this was weeks of act.

Yes, an opioid, you know, and so, and you proven was great, you know, it's just, and that was none of that was the problem now. It's like, every doing everything with the mouthguard in, you know, I'm used to it, but you feel it. Oh, yeah. And they're still, you know, they're some slissing and the teas and the, you know, so I go back and then my guy in, in Fredericksburg, he'll, you know, adjust it and it's like, you know, it's the technology's amazing. It's like, look, I'm going on Joe show. I can't be something like this. You got to fit me up, man.

So anyway, so a week before this procedure, this episode is brought to you by Robin Hood.

You know, I'm smoking tobacco and weed since I was 13. And, you know, morning, noon and night. Just always, you know, kind of keep myself nice, medicated, and Mitch, who's in curvil, he's the periodantist, who, you know, this is a guy where I said before we even went down this road, I said, why did you choose this profession? He's like, I love surgery. Okay. Cool. Cool. Now you're my guy. You're my guy. So he calls me up. And we kind of became friendly. He's also a pilot. And so we got a little, yeah, we got friendly. And he said, Adam, we're in a week out, do me a favor. So with that, stop putting fucking fire in your mouth. Okay? Because it's not going to make my job easier. It's going to make the healing a lot harder. And you just can't put hot smoke and fire in your mouth. You got to stop that shit before the operation and during the healing process. And this was the moment that just pushed me over the edge. Like, okay, I'm just going to stop. And I do have a vaporizer, an actual vaporizer, we put some weed in it, and then it vaporizes. But I kind of, like maybe once a day or every other day, I'll take a hit and it's cool because it's all, it's cool down. And the THC is actually good for the healing process. But I kind of, yeah, I don't know. I'll still take a gummy or something like that. I don't know, I don't really, I get a lot more shit done amazingly. When you used to be smoking all the time.

I thought that was the weed goes in there. Oh, wow. Right. And you close it up and then you turn it on, it goes to 190 degrees and then you take a couple hits and let me see that.

It's the, it's the mighty plus Joe. I don't know. Someone turned me onto it a bottom line. Yeah. It's most of its battery and cooling tubes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And it has a, you know, sure. It has the, has the display. Oh, wow. And then just wait fucking stoneers. You know, I still, I still like it. I mean, this, this is my culture, basically. I get it. It's my culture, too. But, so, of course, I really love smoking. I love fucking God on the porch, you know, have a hit or two, you know, I've either pure weed or tobacco and just a little bit of tobacco in there with the weed. I loved it. And my wife was always like, you should stop that shit one day. Yeah, sure. She's kind of mad that, you know, so you stop because of this, you know, all of them all my asking never did anything.

No, it's just smoking in general. It's just smoking in general. No, I mean, it's not a problem about the weed or anything. It's just smoking in justice. It's not a smoker, so it's just nasty. I get it. Yeah, so I can't have cigars. I'm probably just never going to do that again. I had the equivalent of it. When this is all done, it's like a Porsche basically in my mouth. That's pretty cool. This is not insurance stuff, not insurance level. So now it's 190 degrees. You flip that open. very little just a very, very small.

Yeah. Oh, it looks totally stupid.

Yeah, the dab. Yeah, the dab is, that's pretty harsh, man. It's basically the wax you mean. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's way heavy shit. Yeah.

So, you know, I put a little bit in the pipe. I'm like, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I like the God's flower, you know, give that to me. It is like that's fine.

Well, you keep thinking people die on this shit and because I think it was a party in San Francisco was an absentee party. No, not there, but yeah, people have totally died from absentee poisoning.

Sure. Yeah, it's just super, you know, super charged and here. And they poured over sugarcube or something like light on fire and all that stuff. I've never been a drinker really. I love a drink. Yeah, love wine. I love whiskey. Sometimes it beer, but it's never been my, my high. And again, it's really weird that I don't really miss being kind of semi-stoned all the time. And I'm really getting a lot more done. I was like, my wife's like, she was like, man, you know, You got all this shit done on your list. I'm like, I know. I know. So productive. All this shit on your list. I got this like, I got to do this. I got to do that. I'm a procrastinator. Yeah. Always have been.

I'm 58. Maybe it's maybe it's time to, you know. rain it in just a little bit yeah definitely why start now why rain it in now and you're already 58 seems like the health thing was that really that really told something you know it's like and Tina started she did the the 75 hard probably with that yeah yeah which is amazing I didn't do that of course But she also decided to go all carnivore. And, you know, we get our stuff from the ranchers directly at K&C and anyone around that some good ranchers. And I just, I feel so good. And we will have hamburgers for breakfast, you know, and you know, all the, like last night we had bovet, you know, bovet is a great cut of meat. I mean, it's just amazing how tender and beautiful and so, you know, we're just cooking more. And now we go out to a restaurant, like this, this is shit. You know, we've come beef snobs. Just like, this doesn't taste good. And that I think really has helped a lot with just my general health and how I feel and everything. It's really quite beneficial. I think there's been quite a setup on people in general, like, you know, red meat and you're going to sit in your colon forever and you're going to get cancer. You're going to die from it. And I think nothing could be further from the truth.

Oh, is it? Yeah. Congratulations.

About five, five, six months now. Interesting. Straight for five months. We'll do hog. We'll do bacon sometimes in the morning and eggs. Yeah. But yeah, pretty much.

Animal base protein.

Well, there's these guys who I met, they're actually in Bastrop, the Meet Mafia. They did, you know, guys like 28 and they were high school or college athletes. And when they left college, their bodies just broke down. And they were, you know, like bowel problems and shitting 20 times a day and just, and both them, independently, just all kinds of issues. And someone turned them on to pure, you know, a carnivore diet, and they were doing grass fed, grass finished. And within two weeks, In all of those problems, 20 years of problems, and then all of those problems, or 15 years, all the problems went away. And you'd be amazed how many people I've turned on to. Why just try some of this? Don't go to H.E.B., let me give you an address we can get the stuff direct from the rancher. And within two weeks, most of the problems start to clear up, complexion, all kinds of stuff.

Of course, gluten is a real problem. I think that's inflammatory.

See, I'll address it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And if you know any like canola oil, of course, we probably talked about that. It's basically industrial byproduct. You know, yeah. It's a industrial lubricant. Yeah. That's how Chrisco started. Now, Chrisco was basically the the candle business and electricity came around and people didn't want candles anymore. And it changed the candles into Chrisco to to loop up. I mean, to use for baking.

Well, in the 50s and 60s, that was a lot of money.

You want the fat. I want that part. Well, the problem we have now is climate change. It's being used to remove all animals and You cannot, you know, look on Google news at all any day without seeing, oh, you know, we're now making chicken out of actual chicken cell cultures. And we do it in this big fat. And it's going to be even healthier than eating real chicken. And this and people are buying into this brother. They are buying, are you tired?

I'm just like, God. Oh, that was a discussed look. Okay, I guess. I just get it.

Well, I saw Will Harris, I've been to White Oaks pastures. Oh, have you? Do you want to Georgia? Yeah. The beef initiative had a meetup, and that's where you kind of, you know, I'm just helping them out. It's not really a money-making operation, but it's connecting It's helping ranchers understand that there is a market that they can sell directly to a consumer and it's teaching consumers who are interested that they can go to a rancher and get, you know, basically the protein from the source. And what the beef initiative figured out early on is that who is interested in that is Bitcoiners? Because Bitcoiners have money, they got Bitcoin, and they understand value or they have a certain understanding of value. They like to hang out and like to do meet-ups and then you bring them together and you have some ranchers talk and the Bitcoiners talks and now we have ranchers understanding Bitcoin taking Bitcoin's payment holding onto some of it which is can be very very profitable in many cases. In many cases. Yeah well like last week I went to Cole and I bought like You know, the third of a cow basically all in cuts and I paid him Bitcoin and you know two days later boom he's got 20% you know extra value just because the price went up and I was happy. I'm happy for him.

Well, we buy, well, we got in at 4,000 during the pandemic. Because, yeah, I think I told you, I had 4,000. I had 65 Bitcoin that were given to me in like 2011. And somewhere around 2015 or 16, I'm like, holy shit, this is worth $900. So I sold it all. So that's not going to happen to me again. So when it was, you know, everything tanked during the pandemic and so it was 4,000 Tina and I said let's buy in, let's do this. And then, you know, we've been doing what's called daily cost average. So buy a little bit every single day and, you know, you're basically, it's like a savings account. And we only will spend it on literally on something like that. We just keep it. And we'll see. We save dollars, too. But this is kind of a who knows. I mean, there's so much talk of even Elon Musk is probably going to be the guy who runs the money system once he has his ex. project all in place that he's doing with Twitter. The whole concept is to have that be your wallet. You know, that's all of Silicon Valley wants to be your bank. And what do you know is no exception.

Well, it will either be a coin that is specific to him or just looking at his overall history where things he does usually turns into a government project. Maybe that's where the central bank digital currency comes in. I don't know. You know, just had Brazil and Argentina decide that they're going to have the same money and it will be a digital, a digital peso, whatever it's going to be. And that will probably be a completely controllable central bank digital currency, which is being implemented everywhere. And the dollar would be the last one. I know that Elon seems a very good, like that he's doing that, that's what his whole overall plan is, I think. He's always said he wants to be like we chat and in China, everything's on we chat, including the government who then can turn off your money if you hit that boy. Yeah, I think that's coming. So it's a bit of a hedge to have Bitcoin and Bitcoin is the only, I think we currently do that.

So the only way I know to resist that is literally Bitcoin and only Bitcoin.

considered, you know, too conservative, too crazy, queuing on, whatever, then you can't get a bank account, you can't use any of the payment systems. They literally debank you, so you can't receive money. And I think the self-sensoring comes from that, certainly advertising related. If you have a podcast or you do anything with advertising, You know, that is a wedge. You know, people will go after your advertisers and use that as a wedge. Well, you know what that's like. Yeah. To bring you down. And so that is, it's already kind of here. And that's not a good thing.

It's very strange. Which is probably the biggest bad actor out there.

Well, first of all, we have obviously seen that the COVID vaccination, which is not a traditional vaccine, required more than one, two, three booster. So that kept on going. That's definitely more money in the bank. But the financial system and the big pharma are connected in this regard. The financial system, I believe, the financial system needed a lockdown, needed a complete stop of spending, just had to stop and sit in your place because we never really fixed what happened in 2009. That was all shoved under the rug, and we just took interest rates down to almost zero. That's stimulated everything. Get free money for everything. Free money for every company, every door dash, you know, every Silicon Valley thing. You're not to make profit. It will just raise more money. Keep going. Keep going. Until, if you look at what something called the reverse repo market, it's a banking thing. Spiked, just like it did just before the great recession, the housing bus, that's right then is when, oh, we got a lockdown, we've got a pandemic. And I would argue that seeing as, you know, this recent bug that people have that's going around, which is not COVID, it's not flu, whatever it is. It's unidentified. I don't think anyone cares anymore, although it seems to be pretty bad. It was the media that really freaked everybody out. We had death counts on the screen, all the stuff going on and on and on. And everyone stayed home. And that allowed everything to calm down, allowed the financial markets to do some shuffling back and forth. And then we did, of course, what they needed to do is create a whole bunch of extra money. and get that out there, which, of course, is what caused inflation. And this is going to be here for a while. And so those two are linked, whether purposefully or not, the lockdown and the pandemic and the fear and destruction of companies and jobs, et cetera, was beneficial to the financial system. And now I think they're just out of control. I think it's some, like, 40% of all dollars ever created, which, you know, they're printed basically on a computer. were made in the last three years. So since it's been dollar started. Yes. No way.

Yeah, and that went to, yeah, you can. And that went to, you know, a lot of people got really rich. You know, if you look at Lake Austin, After the pandemic, everybody upgraded their toys. There was new speedboats, everyone had news. Everyone who had money just made more and just did incredibly well. So, here it is.

Well, I can tell you what this leads to. This is MMT or modern monetary theory. And this is something that economists are all in on. And the idea is, like Japan, you can just keep printing money, printing money, handing it out. And if you think unemployment insurance in Texas, even though it's supposed to be for three months, it is on par with a $65 or $70,000 a year salary. I mean, you can get buy on unemployment insurance pretty well for a bit. The modern monetary theory really is like the universal basic income Andrew Yang, you know, that was his thing. This is what Japan did, and it's called the Japanese debt trap. And you just keep printing and printing. The problem you have is you need to have young people. You need to keep making human beings. And this is the problem. And I've spoken to bankers, you know, like real Wall Street guys. I know them that friends. And they say, oh, we have nothing to worry about in America. It comes to modern monetary theory. So why not? Because if we don't make enough babies, we'll just import them. Hence the border being pretty much open. Oh, keep people coming in.

You need humans. Literally need humans to do stuff.

It doesn't matter. I do not know a single Wall Street guy who gives a fuck about who, which party is in power. Now care doesn't matter. That's not matter. It's a uniparty essentially. Look at the military industrial complex. Republicans and Democrats are all for war. You know, yeah, let's go buy some more shit or make more shit. That's what most of what we're doing with Ukraine is we're giving them our old shit and Raytheon and Boeing and all these companies are creating new stuff and we're it's even funnier than that because you know so we say we've given forty five or hundred billion dollars to Ukraine we're not really we've given them all of our time we have about seven weeks seven days of resources left if we really had to fight you know we've given all the stuff to Ukraine the Bradley fighting vehicles all crap that is really outdated And the money that the taxpayer money goes to these the military industrial complex companies and they're developing new weapons Europe They are actually giving you crane the money and Ukraine has to pay us They have to pay us for the stuff that we're giving them You understand what I'm saying? So Europe is now their pissed, like hold on a second. You know, we don't have, we have airbusters or whatever. We don't really have a lot of big weapons industry. And so we're giving Ukraine the money that you're then paying the US for to get the old shitty stuff and they're building new stuff.

Have you know them? I don't know. The Bradley fighting vehicle. This was like a week or two ago. Oh, we're sending the Bradley fighting vehicle. There's a Kelsey grammar made a movie called. What is it to something of war? It's basically it shows the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. It's on YouTube. It was a training video for for the Army, you know, how actually the Pentagon war made a training. Yes, yes, it's a movie. It's a proper movie and it shows how this thing was acquired and what a piece of shit it always was was how it just went through all the all the all the all the paths all the channels and it and it got implemented into the The Army started using it, but it was really a huge scam. And it's just one of these things. I mean, Joe, we spend $8,900 billion a year on stuff. It's the biggest cost we have. So tax pay.

What is it? It's a fighting vehicle. It's supposed to, um, what's the difference between a fighting vehicle? So it has, it has anti-tank weaponry on the top. And so it's supposed to be able to bust tanks. The problem is if you lob a mortar on top of this thing, then all those anti-tank missiles explode. And even though you remain at die from the explosion, the hole, the turn can get welded shot. And it's a bad scene. I mean, you have to watch this movie. It's well worth, you know, the hour and a half. It's really, and to this day, I think it's still used as a procurement training video. This is what we don't want, right? Yeah, wow. Yeah, yeah, I think he produced it too. I think I think else you're going to produce it.

How crazy is a war as an idea? It's sane.

Oh, yeah. And there are massive, they're now rounding up 16 and 70 year old boys on the street in Ukraine just to have them fight. This is not going well for Ukraine at all. It's atrocious. It's really atrocious. Oh my god. The whole thing was unnecessary, it's stupid. And I don't know how we get out of it. You know, we kicked Russia off the swift system, the international payment system. So they're an island. What are you going to do? I mean, they give no out.

The Russia's not winning.

No, that's why you invite me here from talking to time. Yes.

I talk to military people. Our audience has filled with professionals who are in the business and they know what's happening.

It's a problem. So I never got to go, Nan and Nan and I don't get to do that. I mean, dude, what we write about ESG where we write about.

This new guy, this new general they brought in, he's a super asshole. You surrender they don't take prisoners they kill him. This guy is a horrible horrible guy. Is the Russian guy talking about the new Russian commander? The only thing that will stop this war is if Putin is killed. Every single politician, every pundit, it's one guy, it's one guy who's just, and it's Putin, and he has to die. And I thought he had cancer, I thought he had Parkinson's, you know, he has still hasn't died yet of his own record.

We can probably establish that the world is fake. Everything we thought is fucking fake.

Well, let's stay there with the vaccine. So now I think it's universally accepted. This thing doesn't really work.

But that was not the story. No. And it degenerated down to take the booster because you will not get sick and won't have to go to the hospital. Right. So it went from 95% effective. You won't spread it. You won't get it to, oh, sorry. Okay. We're here. At least you won't go to the hospital and be really sick. The next step is, you'll die, but you'll go to heaven. I mean, I don't know what they're going to say next. But most people don't know that. Most people aren't involved in look. I mean, they're so tired of the shit that they will, you know, read people magazine USA today and they get your booster that families are still torn apart. I know many, many, many My own family to agree, to agree. We have disagreements over this.

It's also been hammered into it by authority figures. Exactly. Follow the science. Trust the science. It's the science. I am the science, Fauci said.

Yeah, the cops, anything.

And we were calling it mostly peaceful in CNN's backyard.

Was pretty good son, but you know, really telling was when you were being accused of eating horse paste. Yes. And then you had Sanjay Gupta on and you said, why the fuck did they lie about that? And he could not answer his brain could not process the question.

Yeah, you're just not going to get that.

A lot of people have checked out, which I think is the most dangerous to check out, like whatever, I don't care. I'm just going to, I'll just believe whatever I believe. The internet made the job of the intelligence agencies and propaganda so much easier. And you're right that because of the internet, we can find out more stuff when we communicate directly. But what we saw during COVID, you had an opinion that wasn't the mainstream science and you got kicked off and you were de-platformed and you were, I think the one thing Elon is doing was really smart. is he will, and I disagree, I don't like it personally, but the digital ID, you know, he's onboarding people with a financial authentication. So you have to be Joe Rogan on Twitter. I have to be Adam Curry on Twitter. I can't be You know, random dude with a fake name. I can't just be calling people out for shit. So, you know, if you disparate someone, if you slander them, you can get sued. And I think that is proper. And he may have his reasons why he's doing that. But Twitter is going on.

They're saying horrible horrible things and when it's anonymous when you can be anonymous now I Mean we've been we've been trained Twitter's been around for a while your Facebook has been around for a while we've been trained to be a part of these circles, be a part of these networks, and it's so bad now that, you know, Twitter, like, transport companies use Twitter to communicate to their, to people who use the buses, you know, it's like, it's so ingrained in the infrastructure of the world.

Of course. So what's interesting is that, and I like this development, so Twitter changed hands and Elon starts doing different things, and of course, I'm incredibly happy to see the Twitter files, not that mainstream is touching that at all, you know, it might as well. It's all right.

I mean, it's a conspiracy theory if you even bring it up.

It is a literal conspiracy of politicians, of the intelligence agencies. I mean, and Twitter itself. I mean, it was big tech. It's crazy.

It's a very human thing. It's very human. Now, we had in the early 70s, we had something called the Church Commission, which is now being now apparently Josh Hawley and Kevin McCarthy, they're going to create a new Church Commission. And at the time, the accusation was that the CIA specifically had reporters working for the New York Times, CBS News, who were CIA agents or took stories from the CIA. It turned out to be completely true. Those were good times when you had Walter Cronkite and you had the New York. That was it. So they could tell you whatever you needed to know. It's always been a narrative that was created and the internet kind of Like, holy shit, what are we gonna do? And so once these avenues start to grow, like Twitter, like Facebook, like Reddit, you name it. Yeah. That's when, oh, we can go in. We can do stuff with these companies. And then when you get the divide and conquer, I mean, I read some of these Twitter files. And I can understand where the people who are in trust and safety and whatever these departments are. Like, yeah, no, we're protecting people. We need to do this. And it's the government. They're telling us this is what it is. So we have to do it. And it's important. I can't fault them. I can't fault them either.

Well, the whole world is in this situation. It's not just America. Every single country is in this. I saw it. The main thing in Europe was a lot of immigration coming into Sweden as a great example. Every night there's car bombs going off. There's fires. There's all kinds of no-go zones. There's all kinds of stuff happening and it was never really in the news and it's starting out now they have a different political party because the people are clearly upset like, oh, we want some different leadership and starting to come out a little bit. It doesn't matter. It's ruined. It can only be about

You were talking to Louis C. K. It was a great interview. I love that guy. I said, I remember I he's really funny. I had no idea.

Well, my take away from that conversation. And I actually, I foolishly, in 2006, I had, you know, I thought I could do a podcast network which never works. You can't monetize the network. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work.

Well, we have a network course network. Okay, that's the way we're going off topic, but I'll say when I see Bill Mars saying, well, you know, we're going to do with a random podcast network. Here's what happens. It happens every single time. Half of the, you have one star. Yeah. It'll be Bill and maybe one or the one and everyone, all you get is, well, I didn't get any ads. I didn't get any promotion. It's a fucking nightmare. It doesn't work. individual stuff is what like what you've done you build something is just you. I don't believe in any of that shit.

How about starting with making something that's worthwhile listening to? You have to have a good fucking product. I mean, this happened with blogs. I'm going to blog and be like, and we're solid, but I'll make a million dollars a year. No, you can't write. You're not funny and not interesting. It doesn't matter. You have to have to have something. It's just not for everybody. There's 4.2 million podcasts that we have in podcasts index. I thought it was more. I thought it was five. I don't want to disparage anyone you might be commercially tied to so we'll just leave that for what it is.

Okay. Well, Spotify bought anchor and during the pandemic about because we literally sift through it all about 2 million podcasts a million and a half of those podcasts are one episode of someone going to toast. And that's counted as a podcast.

That's it. That's it. Next thing got a hundred. Next thing got 50. You got to build a community. You can't live in a bubble of this doing a show and not even thinking about the people who are listening. You have to connect with them somehow.

You would do that. But you need to do the work. And it's serious. We're now what I was going to say is that comedians are coming back. And I love this. The comedians are finally finding their voice again. Not as many people are afraid of saying that. I mean, there was a while there that, and I'm not in the comedy circuit or anything. I just see what I get from Netflix, et cetera. You know, and Chappelle was a big part of that.

I finally watched, uh, uh, I said better things that he co-created, that TV series. It's probably about five years old. Never saw it. Oh, it's so fucked. And then, you know, that his, she's the platforming moment happened. And so after a season three,

Yeah, it's off of Louis C. Yeah, it's fucking brilliant anyone can do that you just have to hunt for down and do it.

He's always been horrible on stage. That's just crazy.

I mean, Austin would not allow a guy like that to perform in the moody theater two years ago. No fucking way, especially not Lewis the case toxic. Do you don't think so? No. No. He was he was very, very toxic.

I mean, that's a very liberal venue, the moody. You're not going to find, you know, a lot of crazy crazy fox performing in the moody.

And the comedians feel Louis and you know, the top ones I don't think ever change their game, but it's becoming more acceptable. We're finding our funny bone again. Not everyone's as triggered anymore. And I've always, it's well known. But comedians are the ones that will put their finger right in the fucking wound, the bleeding and just twist it around and then hopefully make your laugh about or think about it. And so when I see comedians who are doing podcasts, I'm super happy because that spreads more like, hey, let's just laugh for a little bit and don't worry about don't get so fucked up about everything. Because the control is there, the control of people live in social media. I mean, my God, man, we've, you got kids, you know, you see what's happening. We didn't have these phones, you know, we're kind of in that in between generation where we had before internet and digital stuff and then we have, you know, then afterwards where we are now, this is not for human brains, the stuff that, you know, I mean, it's definitely not. It's not healthy. It's not at all.

It's very, very sad. And when I still live in Austin, I would give myself points. Like, if I see someone walking on the street with a phone in their hand, one point, if they were looking at it, standing still two points. If they were actually walking and looking at it, that's immediate five bonus points. And now it's just the most, sometimes I'll just remind myself, oh, let me see what's going on. And you see just the continuous looking at the phone, looking at the phone for everything. And it's engineered. That was 100% engineered. The social networks engineers that we started a mastodon for no agenda in 2017. And it's basically a social network without the algorithm. So it's a chronological timeline. You start here. And then at a certain point, oh, I've seen that message. I saw two hours ago. I'm done. And there's nothing is going to start pinging me when I want to leave. You know, if you're on Instagram and it looks like you're going to leave. But boom, you get all these likes all of a sudden.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what's really cool about that is the journalist all went, well, well, I can't do the Twitter anymore. We're leaving. Of course, they haven't really, but they're trying they went to mass it on, set up their own servers. And then immediately went, well, this is not working right. We need to, we need quote tweet till we need this. I mean, all these different things. And it's, this network, Macedon or the GNU social networks, I mean, going on for 12, 14 years is not new. And everyone went, yeah, you know, fuck you. No, we're not going to do that. And, and many, because you can block a whole, a whole server. So all these journal dot host or whatever, these different, well, these journalists went. People go, yeah, you know, it's going to block all of you not interested. You only hear the troll us to get a sound bite and now the journalists for the first time realizing they don't have any power that powerless against this and they're confused because they used to just be able to do whatever they want. I have a blue check mark. I'm from a series news organization. You should believe me what I say and now they have no power and it's very I mean, I don't wish anyone ill, but I'm kind of like snickering about it. It's like, oh, that's so cool. You can't do anything.

They had super power over Twitter and Facebook and such a, with a proof messaging.

Yeah. it's such an important process if it ever really existed. I mean back in the day Walter Cronkheim was it was that legitimate journalism or was it just all narrative that was controlled and direct very good question because it used to be that I thought that it was legitimate journalism a certain point in time.

Yeah. Have you read that? Yeah. Yeah.

He did a nice wrap on that. That was cool. He ran it down perfectly.

Well, JFK himself talked about this network of men and it's a silent network and no one dares speak about it. Chuck Schumer. Chuck Schumer. Yeah.

Chuck Schumer. He said, oh, Trump better watch out. The intelligence agencies have, uh, was it 12 ways until Sunday to get you to, to, I mean, there's fear. The CIA was spying on the senators in the Senate Intelligence Committee.

And the early days of the CIA, he was very high up in CIA. He's still with us today. And back then it was Catholics in action. That was the acronym CIA. So it was kind of religious oriented, a very proper, you know, of the suit and tie. And it was literally jump out of airplanes and save the world. That's what the CIA does. And somewhere that got corrupted. And it just became a fucking shit show, a real shit show. And they, in my opinion, they run most of everything. And they have control over Everybody, I mean, it's really, really, you don't know how much money they have, you don't know their budget. These are the same people who sold weapons, sold traded weapons and trade for drugs. That was the Iran Contra, which actually my uncle was kind of a part of. And then those drugs came back, what are we gonna do with these drugs? Boy, I know it's turning to crack, let's fuck LA. This is shit that they did. It's not denied or anything. It's that's horrible because we don't want to fund that anymore. It's okay Congress We can't fund that anymore, but what do you think boys we gotta keep this going this is something we gotta do this is important for whatever reason I don't know I don't know, but I like your accent he gave it That's my character acting

That's completely the Barry's in, I mean, Arkansas. Yeah. But it goes, like in Gary Webb, the guy who blew that open and the journalist, he, you know, he wound up committing suicide by shooting himself in the head twice. I mean, this is the level of advice.

I believe the suicide was two shots of the head. I mean, that's always been the joke. But he was known. You know, when 9-11 happened, you know where you were, right? Everyone knows where they were on 9-11. When JFK was assassinated, everyone who was alive then knew where they were that day. Except one guy, one guy doesn't know. He cannot remember where he was that day. Is that guy? George Bush. I can't remember where I was. Wow. That's a pop a bush, right? Right. And he, of course, was in the CIA at the time. And he had, there's reports that he was in Dallas. You know, so there's so much.

I was listening to Howard Stern driving into the city when, when all of a sudden that news came through.

And, you know, everyone was like crying. It was fucked up.

I was thinking about this on the way. When I was at MTV 86 87 to 93. There were comedians. Empty had a real, oh, we got to get these comedians on. But it was always Paul Provenza, Judy Tanuda, Gilbert Godfrey, there was no kinnison only. And that's where I met him. We did the rock and jock softball game. And he had his own team and as hilarious, the whole thing was fantastic. But there weren't a lot of I thought it was a very small set of comedians where at the time, if I think that was New York was really poppin' with comedy and clubs were comin' up, but it always seemed like Paul Provenjade, Judy Tanuda, with El Emo, or whatever.

When they recruited me, I was in Holland, I was working, and They said, okay, we really want you to come and work for us. And I was like, okay, that's kind of interesting. I was 23, 22, like go live in New York. Fuckin' hey, how much are you gonna pay? It was a two-year contract, 175,000 for year one. No, 150,000 for year one, 175,000 for year two. That's not a lot of money. It's not a lot of money to be a star. You know, because like how much money are you generating? I mean, I'm not from a slaining, but it keeps a living in New York. It was not a shitload of money. Right. It was, you know, rent was three grand for decent place.

And I was there for seven years could never negotiate much higher. And they forget firing me and shit. That's so crazy because you were like a star on MTV. No, no, stars don't exist on MTV. You can't be a star. No, shut up. But you were to me. I was like two. And that got me through it, Joe. I was just just scraping by in New York, but I know I was a star to other people.

Yeah with VJs who were basically radio jocks on video and then I I started uh uh some radio stuff because it's where I come from and I had my own syndicated uh uh at Adam Curry's top 30 hit list. and it was on you know hundreds of stations and I you know the way it would work is you give the you give the show for free and then you sell national ads or sold reboc and Pepsi but to clear the station to get the station to run it on Sunday morning like Casey Casey Morshado Stevens I had to go every weekend to another station and do the being 95 summer jam. So I actually toured with Marky Mark in the funky bunch and sisters with voices and all these track acts that were just going around the country. They had to do it for free to get their record play. I had to do it for free to get the show on the air and it worked really well. But MTV then can't say well, what do you want to be me when we are a radio jockey or VJ? I have it in my contract that I can do this.

Well, they wanted to lock you into MTV right for low money. So you know I had like I could do other things.

It was worse than that. They started MTV News, a syndicated show, and aired on like K Rock in LA and stuff. And, you know, so, well, you're competing with us now. So, I was kind of there before you did this. It just became, they, we never had a good, well, I was there for seven years. We never really had a good relationship. People did not like me there. They, in fact, some of them despise me. Because I wouldn't cut my hair either. That was the big thing. Cut your hair. Cut your hair. No, fuck you.

That's the nature of the beast. But how stupid is that? It was the nature of the beast. I think we had creative director. They would come here.

A new creator director and then all the stuff. We had light switch was my favorite moment. There's like all the VJs. You're gonna be on blue screen. All you do is you sit on a blue box and we're gonna put you your VJ segments will be a diner. And it'll just be a New York diner or Delhi and you'll see a TV in the corner and you were on the TV. So we went from my head on the screen to this guy in the corner and a little 10 and that was a whole, it was called Project Light Switch and it was I think it was I think it was a daughter of Silverman or something. One of the NBC or big universal execs or something like that. And she was going to be the star. And of course, you couldn't make more ratings out of MTV. And they were smart. The only thing they could do is to do half-hour comedy, our remote control. That's where they went from a 0.5 rating to a 1. You got a 1 on MTV. You were the man. I mean, that was all money driven. So a 1.1 or 1.5, you know, that was fuck videos. And they were right because it was commoditizing. You know, we used to have to compete with the BET for Michael Jackson World Premier videos. I said, what did MTV do? They wound up buying BET because they couldn't control it. And now, you know, videos are just, you know, that's just a cost of doing business. Everyone's got a video for their song. That was a moment that we shared together and you know if you weren't alive and in your teens watching MTV you don't understand what that was like for young people are videos important today like is that a thing?

How long before TikTok's banned? Well, let me tell you what's going on with the TikTok. I have a very opinionated explanation for what is going on with TikTok. Okay. TikTok was eating Silicon Valley's lunch. They were taking all the ad money from Instagram, from Twitter, from Google. I'd say Google and Instagram and Facebook, just killing it, knocking it out of the fucking park. So look at who is saying, oh, it's a China and they're tracking everything. And it says it's communist party, dude, Facebook tracks you, Google tracks you, everyone fucking tracks you all over the place. But all of a sudden TikTok is a problem. No, it's because they're eating their lunch. And instead of competing, because they've tried, no one can seem to create the TikTok algorithm and the thing that they have going there. It's what people want, the quick hits, the sing-alongs, et cetera. So they decided to lobby politicians and come up with this scam. So it's holly, it's Marco Rubio. Oh no, this is China. Fuck no, it's because Silicon Valley couldn't compete with them. That's what's going on. Interesting. Oh yeah, that's an interesting perspective. I know a lot about the advertising business because I ran companies that were in that. Everyone was buying TikTok. And when you have a big company like, Facebook or Google who are tied into government. How many times have they been to DC to explain what they're doing? That's all controlled. That's the only avenue they have to compete is to get these guys out of here. And luckily, even though it's American companies that run it, it's China. So, no, I'm not a China fan, but this is a fucking scam. They are just taking them down to get rid of the competition. It's very sad.

You think so? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's already, you know, it's banned at UT. You can't, you can't have TikTok on your phone.

It's no different from any other app that you have on your phone.

So why doesn't Apple kick it off? Because people use it. If Apple doesn't have TikTok, people will actually give up their iPhones. They're not going to kick it off. Now what Apple did, if you remember, they changed some things in the way in what they allow apps to do. That took about $10 billion off of Facebook's income. Yes, because they couldn't sell the information that way anymore. Right, and they were mad. And TikTok is less interested in selling your information. They're getting the ad dollars. So people, it's just, it's continuous ad money. The whole thing is a big ad. Everything's an ad.

Well, not advertising, they were, they're basically selling your information and creating profiles and they all do it. I mean, that's why I have the graph EOS, you know, I've had this phone for a while. I just don't, I don't

And then you went to a pixel. So we basically rip all the Google stuff off. And this is the six. I had the four. It was just timed upgrade. You know, screen was cracking as falling apart. And yet, if you're connected to a network, you're still, you know, still know where you are. But the apps cannot spy on me. I know what the apps are doing. I can, if they're running a sandbox, so nothing goes in or out unless I give it that permission. That's graphing OS. Yeah. Yeah. No agenda phone.com. Instructions are right there and how to do it.

Everything is tracked. There's only one telephone company is the US government. They have everything. Everything is recorded. Everything that you put on a network anywhere goes into it. In Utah, they've got the big data centers. They're all cooled underwater, all kinds of high-tech shit. Whenever they need to find out what Joe Rogan's doing, Let's put up Rogan, did he text curry on signal? What day was it? It just comes up. That signal, the encryption is a problem, which is a problem for the government. But again, how many companies just give up the goods? Apple does maybe 30,000 a month or something. What do you need? We'll give it to you. They pay for it. The FBI pays. We know that from the Twitter files. It's like, hey, we need information on this account. Okay, that's $5,000. And, oh, okay, no problem. We'll just pay. These numbers are making them up. Right. There were millions of dollars that they paid Twitter just for handing over account information.

I'm pretty sure that's true. Well, Facebook certainly did, and Google certainly does, and they published those numbers.

Well, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, Well, let's see. No, this is the right message. You want to know what you are saying today.

Well, I think you can look at this paying for account information because the Silicon Valley companies are like, well, we're not going to do this work for free. You got to pay or we got to put people on it. Right. So it's normal.

Well, I think what we're seeing with Twitter. We're seeing with Twitter is it was not a very profitable company. You know, kind of ran a little bit.

Well, I think he's doing more. I think yes. And I'm not sure. I listened to the, someone sent me the clip of you and him about four years ago talking about AI and how that's going to take over the world and how he tried to stop it and now he seems to be all in on it. But I think that's his ex-dot-com, which was what he wanted PayPal to be, and that didn't turn out the way he wanted. And he's literally said, I wanted to be like wechat. I mean, he has said that I want to be your bank, I want to be your social, the app you super app. He calls it a superb. That's what he's doing. And of course, with that, once you have authenticated everybody with a real name, you don't need trust and safety, if someone does something bad, it's that person and we can send that feds on them or the feds can find go themselves or you can have a lawyer sue you if you say something slanderous. But it will be the thing that you use like in China for everything. And that he said that. So it's his words. And so it behooves him to keep as many people on the platform by just letting it open. It's beautiful to watch. I don't know if he's over-extended himself a little bit on the cost of it. It's costing him a lot. It's costing him in value and Tesla stock value and he seems to be okay with that, which is great. We'll see. It's a big nut to crack, to create the wechat of America or the rest of the world. But then I see like Starlink, which to me was, I mean, Starlink was what an amazing fucking invention. I have it at home. I put this fucking dish on the ground. And I got internet. And it's fast and it's groovy. But of course, where does the real money come in now? It's a military system. which I think was probably the plan all along. I mean, it's great to give consumers this for $110 a month. Well, me had the military, and that came out of Ukraine, you know, how he said, hey, you should pay me for this. And they went, no, fuck you, you should do this just because you're a good guy. And after a while, he's like, you know, I'm moving satellites around, you should probably pay me to do this as a service. And I forget what it's called, but it is now an actual government military service that is used in the field.

That was the US government saying that the US government was saying that.

It wasn't the platforming request. I totally agree with that.

it's a dry business transaction but it was because of you know tens of thousands of accounts that had the information had to be collected given to the FBI completely separate from politicians saying you need to look at this guys you know they're against your own terms and service against what Fauci says take them down flag them deep bloody you know don't amplify them that's that's the egregious part that is nothing to do with the FBI as far as I'm if you okay if you look at I think we talked about it in 2000 Maybe 2010 or 12 Mark Zuckerberg was man of the year and it was on the cover of time magazine and if you read that article don't let that happen okay if you read that article in the middle of this interview Robert Mueller FBI director pops his head in. Hey, I was just had just happened to be in the building. I just wanted to say hi, everybody. And even the reporter who wrote this time magazine article says it was the most bizarre fucking thing I've ever seen. The FBI was already in these companies from inception. They were already for the collection. It's a beautiful system. People post pictures, you know, this location. Here I am, you know, it's a beautiful Why wouldn't you want that as an intelligence organization? But they were in, then, and Robert Mueller, who must have been 2012 because they extended them for a couple against the Constitution, which is really funny, because it's only supposed to be there for 10 years after the FBI has assorted history. And there was a very solid law put in place. No FBI director can be FBI director more than 10 years. Except Robert Mueller was in for an extra two years for some reason because of whatever when Obama came in. Well, we need this guy and he was in fact literally in the Facebook building. Oh, it just happened to be in the building. The director of the FBI. That was, you know, so they've been there for a long, long time.

It becomes expensive. Google has always charged them for it. I think Apple has charged them for it. And they published those numbers. It just is not so weird. It's all part of the distraction to keep us guessing and whatever you do keep posting selfies. We need you to keep posting selfies. Keep letting us know what you're doing. That's back to TikTok. That's why Google is upset. Because kids today, I'm just going to use kids because we're old-fox now, Joe.

Kids today. Thank you. I feel good about my impression now. When they want to find a good restaurant in Austin, they don't go on Google and say good restaurant in Austin. They go to TikTok. What's a good restaurant in Austin? And then there's a video. This isn't great. Look at this food. That's where they're going. The search is falling apart. And that's Google's business is searched. Everything is random for them. 120,000 people have been fired in Silicon Valley in the past 12 months.

The free money train is over. The interest rates are now 5%. So free money is just not free anymore. It used to be almost zero. I saw this comparison.

This is a problem for Google.

And then we get the next problem for Google, chat, GPT. This is this open AI. Yeah. This is very interesting. What's happening?

Oh, about TikTok being the place where the kids search for search. They don't search on Google anymore. They search on TikTok.

I see grown men in Hill Country, like total, like Trump, hardcore blue collar, like my, my septic guy, Paul the septic guy. Love this guy. It's a fucking great guy. TikTok. Well, man, look at this shit. I got Greg, who, you know, does some welding. Yeah. Oh, look at this shit. I got it. And then this spend hours on TikTok. I mean, dude, you're grown man. What are you doing? It's funny. It's great. It's very, the algorithm is what Instagram tried to replicate it with reels. And they're just failing. The TikTok nailed it. They just nailed it.

Look at this bullshit. This video, which of course, half the reels are actually TikTok repurposed on Instagram.

Well, this is, this is, yes, and it's part of this. It's become a part of the system, because for people who have podcasts or do stuff on video and they promote it on Instagram or Twitter, it's become part of the, the man, it's out to get me, you know, you follow me over on rumble. Like rumble's gonna be, rumble's gonna be great forever. No, rumble's a public company. They're gonna have their own shit. They're not gonna be able to put everything up there they want. When there's money involved, that's what's mastered on us so great. We cut our served 10,000 people. Now, you can follow me at him at noagendasocial.com from any master that on account. But we just want 10,000. Otherwise, it's too much of a shit show. We can't manage it. And even I, because I have, you know, all the power in the world on that server. If I see someone who all these doing is just posting to other people on other servers saying, I mean, all this horrible shit boom, you're done. Get the fuck off my server. You're done. I kick you off. So it's logical that this is going to happen in these big companies for whatever reason. It's too big. It's just none of it makes sense to have on your platform if you want to have advertisers. You can't You just can't do that. It doesn't work that way. And what's cool about Macedon is you can just set up your own server. You don't need anyone's permission. You can do whatever you want. If you want to be on my server, you know, that is our community. You got to be it. Just be it. You can say whatever you want. I'm not too worried about words, but you got to be involved in the community and not just shit posting other people. You know, that's just rude. You know, go find your own thing.

But that doesn't matter because I draw that line for whatever I feel like. Right, but you can take your account and you can go to another server, you take your followers with you. You don't lose anything. That's how I'm saying.

Well, he touched that. He touched the third rail, you know. And he has his reasons. And these are long, rooted reasons that we are neither of us are qualified to discuss.

This is why centralized systems are bad. So Master Don is decentralized. If I kick someone off my server, I don't remove their ability to do the same. They can take their followers within the go anywhere they want and that nothing has changed just not on my server, not on my computer cycles.

That's the difference in a centralized thing. And decentralized. Yeah. Now, about, you bring an interesting point out. I grew up in Amsterdam. And I have to pee so bad.

You were doing a good job. I grew up in Amsterdam, and when I was playing with friends at their house, their grandmother's would be there. And a grandmother, some of them had tattooed numbers on their arms, because they had been in concentration camps. And there was a huge sentiment against Germans. I mean, the Netherlands capitulated within 24 hours. He is my bike, take over our country, whatever. And now this was in, I was there in the 70s. So it was really only 30 years after the war. And you know, just like fuck the Germans, we don't like the Germans. Now, the German people, they will say, we didn't know, if you're having a sneeze, we didn't know, or we were just following orders. And the thing that we take away from that is never again, or never, they say, I would say always remember, but they say, never forget, never again, we can never have that happen again. So who really were the people doing it? They were mind-controlled brainwashed into believing that Jews, gypsies, crippled non-arion-looking people were all bad, and they were the source of their problems. I'm gonna take that and say that by 2000, it was finally we had a new generation of Germans. Now we're like two generations in. Still, Hollywood still makes the Germans look like, I'm smart, I hop at the International! It's still, it's traumatizing to German people. This is exactly what happened with COVID. And the people became the Nazis, just like the Germans became the Nazis. And we said never again, but we fucking did it again. And we didn't realize that we were doing it again. We were othering people. Othering. Yes. And it's still going on today. And this is a travesty. And it's othering, I don't know if we can even Stop it, but it will go on for generations.

But where does that is, is evil just a natural thing? Does it? Do you think that it needs to be resisted? Do you think it's actual evil in the world? Yes. And that evil makes good people do evil things?

I believe there's evil in the world. I think there's evil in the world as well. And if I believe there's evil in the world, then there's got to be good in the world. And beginning of last year, it was actually not only Klein wrote a couple of substacks. And she was, you know, not only Klein, she's like Jewish ladies, super leftists. It leadists, you know, hangs out with all the hedge fund people has the dinner's upper East side. And she saw people who she knew were not evil saying and doing evil things in hedge fund and money and stuff like that. And she said, oh, you know, there has to be good. And she went on kind of a spiritual journey. And I was very interested by this because I've looked at every conspiracy theory, you know, moon landing, 9-11, JFK, I mean all kinds of conspiracy. But the one I had never looked at, and now, you know, I'm 58. So I'm like, okay, let me look at this one, is God. And I said, let me see about this god thing. I've never been a religious guy. And so I start reading. And I start talking. I also found that around me, like a couple of people I was working with, they were all Christians. And not that anyone was ever pushing anything on me when I asked them questions. They were gladly answered. And there's a lot of stuff written about Jesus. There's a lot written, you know, thousands of years of books and this contemporary stuff such as evidence demands a verdict. And, you know, it's just so much. And I gotta tell you, Joe, as sure as I know, the building seven didn't fall down out of sympathy for building one and two. God is real, Jesus existed. He was a badass outlaw, and it's changed my outlook on life. It has really changed the way I look at things. And I believe that we can win with God. I know the may sound a little weird coming from me, but I am all in on this. And I'm not, you know, like, you may think of Son who believes in God or Jesus as a crazy right wing, not job, which I'm obviously not. But man, it's powerful stuff when you put prayer into your life. It's really powerful, the Holy Spirit.

That's not really contemporary religion anymore, but yeah, I understand.

Well, it's interesting because you look at the concept of the simulation or the matrix. And that's certainly believable as an idea, red pill, blue pill. And so you could also say evil or good. I just know that there's a lot more... I'm a conspiracy therapist, so I look at stuff. I read stuff. And there's a lot more documentation of Jesus walking the earth and God and the Holy Spirit than there is about the simulation. It's just a lot more believable information out there that has been studied by scholars for thousands of years.

Well, he was literally the son of God and he was on the earth to teach and he wandered. I mean, he was an outlaw. He did some crazy overturned-to-tax tables and, you know, you really railed against the law.

Well, the Jesus had to die after teaching us how to live a good life and how to be a good person, which is all about love, and that was to absolve us of our sins, which is kind of a cool out. So everyone's a sinner, everyone's fucked up, everyone's flawed, but you are forgiven for that, as long as you try to be better. I mean, that's literally every book in the Bible is about Like I was reading this morning, forget what I was, but it's like Jesus said, be quick to listen, slow to answer, and slow to get angry. And I took that here, because I remember last time I was here, which was over a year ago, and a lot of people said, dude, you're a fucking asshole, you keep interrupting Joe. And I did. And you even said, come down, I don't come down. You're excited to talk.

But it's better if I listen. It makes everything better. It's just small things like that. But ultimately, it's 100% about love and knowing that it can be beaten. This evil in the world can be fought against. In fact, it's probably already done. Um, and I'm just new to this show. So I can't answer everything. Um, but I love studying. I love reading. I'm just, it's fascinating material. And it is fast. Oh, much there. It's really fast.

Again, I'm new to this, but there's so many amazing things about the books in the Bible. There's code, you know, certain scripture has exactly this amount of letters, but none, no consonants or vowels are duplicated. It means all kinds of crazy stuff that just seems like it's impossible to phony that up. But your question is why do I believe that?

Just as I know that JFK was assassinated and I really believe the CIA was involved because it's been written. I've just read documents and documents. So when you look into the Bible and everything that's been written about the Bible, that's a hundred million times more has been written about that and it's survived all these years.

I'm not telling my process is when I investigate things and to me it was a conspiracy theory. I'm just going to start reading and I read for three weeks until I gave up and said I can keep reading but all the evidence just is thrown at me over and over again. If I'm going to believe certain things about JFK or 9-11 or whatever, which I've read as much as I can, but there's not that much, it's just for my own conscience, I have, if I'm going to believe that after reading, you know, 50 years of documentation versus that thousands of years of documentation,

That's why I call myself a believer, because he just believed. Yeah. And I've seen what it has done for my own life.

It makes me a very happy person. Prayer does work. Not if you're asking for stuff for yourself. But I've experienced, it's not really just the miracles that I've experienced, but it really, it makes me happy. Good things have been happening.

Of course they will. Which is why I'm bringing it up with you because I love that you can discuss this with me just as two dudes discussing this.

Talking about sports. Something happened to Mar-Hamlin. The Mar-Hamlin got a hit. You know, he's the buffalo bills. He got a hit. He goes out. He's down. Cardiac arrest. Yeah. This is the number one TV slot of the week. Monday night football. What did we see? We saw huge men of all colors, all backgrounds, and women, and anyone from the sidelines in a prayer circle. And they prayed for him. Demar Hamlin said that day before the game, he said, I think God is going to be working with me in a different way today. Why he said that? I don't know, but it's historic. He wrote that. He said that before the game. Do you say that publicly? Yeah, if it's the critical thing. Yeah, there's articles that is reporting on it. Wow. And then now no one said, look at those crazy Christian fox in their prayer circle. That's not going to help. Of course, the guy lives. The Buffalo Bill's quarterback. says what happened there has made me a better follower of Christ. These are not coincidences. I mean, you just look at that and say, holy, macro. That is really interesting.

I think it happened before. I mean, there's I've seen a news article, but okay, maybe not. I don't know for sure.

I mean, if people get to get, let's call it what you want. I mean, I think I always consider, I'm spiritual, I believe in energy, etc. So I've just put a different name on that, which I truly believe in. So what is that energy? That has not been scientifically really shown, or it hasn't been really given a name, but when people come together in church and pray, or on the field and pray, it can be very beneficial. And I think that's the hand of God. And the hand of God works. It's not like God says, oh, make Him live. No, hey, medical science people. Let's help him. I got some prayer here. Let's do this.

And that's fine.

But some people do that. Of course. That's why I said, I believe there is evil. COVID, where's it come from? Did it come from a lab? Did it come from a bat? Did it come from evil energy? Did it come from evil people? There's there's a guideline which gives you just an incredibly good feeling and I have to say that I mean the people that I've met who are Christians are no one walks around saying yeah I'm a Christian you know this is what we should do now they have their own ways and I think I'm bringing it up with you because I feel like it's honest with you I want to tell you where I'm at in my life I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yeah. Well, thank you. I can do that with you. No one else, I could do this with no one else. It has made my life that much happier. And the people who I meet are just happy people. We don't sit around talking about God.

I do for depressed. The idea is not that God fixes everything. The idea is if you can believe in it and can put yourself in a mindset, I'm just looking at a little abstract now. You put yourself in a mindset that things can happen, that miracles do happen, that things do impact your life, and that you look at things in a different way. You're not always completely fucked up about, this is not happening for me, or that's not happening.

No, it's not, no, because everything isn't smoother, but you at least don't freak out when shit isn't smooth. Right.

I just sort of slide. What is this software? What is the code? It's the Bible. It is the gospel scripture. That is, if you want to look at that way, it is the code that you run in your brain and it does things for you. Yeah. So that's a way of looking at it. It's a kind of a good way actually. I hadn't thought of that one. I like that.

Do you know that one of you get a nice user interface? Most of your life, most of your life runs on AS 400 mainframe still. So airlines, the government, everything runs on pre-DOS shit. I mean, it's still all wrapped up in that.

It's funny. It's funny. I love it. I love it. It's the world.

Outrageous. That's true. Outrageous. You are the great American conversationist. you will go down in history as the only person in our modern time who would have conversations with people across the spectrum and just not even put your opinion on you rarely put your say what you think but you don't try to you but you leave people in their own value you say I want I think the only way to find out what someone really thinks is to let them talk and some people say well you don't push back enough like it's a there's a fine line the t-jays but I think

My favorite is a category of people I call the TJs. The TJs. Yeah, TJs. Well, the TJs. So I made the mistake of saying on no agenda. I'm going on Joe on Tuesday. So the TJs are the tell Joe's. Tell Joe to talk about this. Tell Joe to have him on tell Joe. He needs to be orange pilled by Bitcoin. Tell Joe. Tell Joe. Tell Joe. Tell Joe. And I'm like, dude, I'm going on show. I'm excited to talk to Joe. We're just going to have a chat. Don't tell me what I have to tell him. Tell Joe. Tell it's everyone and their grandmother comes out to tell Joe. Yeah, I get that. Oh my goodness. I hear about that.

Fantastic.

109 people in Congress took money from FTX.

This is so loaded with shit that I don't think I'll ever see the bottom of this pit.

I'm very happy that it blew apart because these are all shit coins as a guy who was into Bitcoin, not crypto. All of this came after Bitcoin, all of it shit and all of it needs to go to zero. And they think Bitcoin is the only way. Well, yeah, no one controls it. There's no CEO, no one can do anything different with it. It just exists. And it kind of exists because of the network of people, because ultimately you don't need any company. You don't even need mining companies. I run two miners at home. I print about $1.50 a day. And I love it. It makes me feel in control of my destiny that I can do things with other people. And the government can't tell me what I can or cannot do with my money.

It's fun. It really is. I'm sure. But I integrated that into podcasting 2.0. So not 25 a day. $15 more at the current prices. It's not about the money is more about fun. I'm keeping the network alive. I'm part of the network. I'm part of millions of people who believe in what Bitcoin is capable of. And then it's really an escape hatch. When all the shit comes down, if I want to receive value or money and the government won't let me or Elon's system won't let me or PayPal won't let whatever it is, I can still transact with someone and you literally cannot stop that. You cannot stop. the transfer of Bitcoin. You can stop buying Bitcoin for dollars, you can stop selling Bitcoin for dollars, but you can't stop me from mining Bitcoin, and you can't stop me from sending it to you, or you sending it to me. That just can't be. Unless you turn off the internet and then still it can still work.

Yes, well, if you look at the mathematics of it, it is intended to always increase in value.

I literally, the way you, so if you can remember 12 short words, your Bitcoin is always with you. So I can travel across the world. If I can remember 12 words, and I enter those into any random Bitcoin program, my wallet, my money will come right back. There's some people, I don't believe this, but some people who think that if you remember your 12 words, when you die in the after world, you'll still have your Bitcoin. If you remember the 12 words, but that's a very unique feature that you can go anywhere in the world without any technology, whatever, as long as you can remember 12 words, you can have access to your Bitcoin. That's cool.

Of course. I'm not too worried about that.

Every company on NASDAQ and Dow Jones has gone down, like 60, 70%, so everyone's value is down right now. And remember, it's Bitcoin versus the US dollar. When the US dollar gains value, the DXY, which is how they versus the pound or the euro, Then, of course, Bitcoin is going to be less valuable. If the dollar goes down, Bitcoin becomes more valuable. It's two sides of the same coin when you look at Bitcoin versus dollars. If you just look at Bitcoin as in Bitcoin, then it's still, if you have a Bitcoin, you still have a Bitcoin.

They made it up. They just made it up and they could create as many as they want. That's the whole the whole game would go back to the dollar. They created 40% of all the dollars printed were made in the last three years. What do we get inflation? Bitcoin will be 21 million. That's it. And we won't mint the 21 million Bitcoin until 150 years from now. We'll all be dead.

It's a same thing. It's a same thing. It's a same thing. It's a same thing. It's a same thing. It's a same thing. It's a same thing. Token and coin is the same thing. There's something called a stable coin. And this is kind of where it started to go wrong. The stable coin is a token that is supposed to be equal to the US dollar. So one Tara, which went bankrupt famously, won US DC, all these different stable coins. And they are used to transact at a dollar value. But they are backed by, they're supposed to be backed by one to one bonds, you know, money, cash, money, et cetera. This is now getting regulated. This is what BlackRock is doing. BlackRock invested in USDC. And so I believe it's inflationary, but it really is the idea is you can now transact with a digital dollar back and forth that is the value of a dollar. And it turns out that some of these don't, no one has actually said, well, So there's 10 billion of, I'm just making note, 10 billion USDC tokens stable coin. When you ask, can you please show me that you have 10 billion dollars in value backing that up? Everyone says, no, that's not your business. So it's very iffy what's going on there. And Tara, which went, that started the whole thing off. That went bankrupt because people started saying, I want giving my stable coins give me US dollars and it was a run on the bank and they didn't have all the assets to pay everybody the money and then it just starts to unwind because that's what all these guys in a Bitcoin was a it's now 14 years old's a great invention and people saw that and said what a great idea I'm going to rip people off by creating these shit coins make them valuable by just by buying and selling creating more pop everyone everyone buys them I get out. I have ten million dollars. You're holding the bag. It's a fucking scam. The whole thing is all of that is a scam, including Ethereum.

Yes, I love that. I love that. And they'll sell the shit. This is great.

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Yeah, I think these kids were abused.

She did have the super pack where the money was flowing through. Oh, yeah. She's definitely hard than the fitting. Yeah. Definitely been a fitting.

I don't think he's that smart. I think he's he's pretty dumb actually.

I would say Ukraine is at the center of all this. The Ukraine is at the center of this. When I was growing up in Europe, If you want to drugs, hookers, or someone killed, Ukraine was the place to go. And everybody knew it. And in 2014, the United States created a coup. It's universally recognized, you know, Victoria Newellen fucked the EU. They put their government in place with people that were predetermined as phone calls, as evidence of this taking place, Victoria Newellen, as evidence of this happening. And no doubt our current president with his son and all was always involved in fucking corruption, just corruption. And there's so much running through that country.

I know. And I think that this episode should not air anywhere. This should be deplatformed because Curry's nuts.

And she has in the past the fact that a local newspaper basically a New York newspaper is the law is the truth of the world is crazy.

But what is the authority? Who is the authority? Is the authority the university where these papers were written?

They have a system. They have a database. They can look themselves. Don't even have to Google it.

Anywhere, not on Fox News, either can't say it anywhere. Go look at the map where the where the concentration camps were in Ukraine. During the second world where there were concentration camps in Ukraine too and they're all kind of right on that border with Poland where there's still a lot of Yeah, but also brigade. I mean, but you can't talk about it because that is wild.

Well, but the Russia thing is interesting. I went to Russia in Moscow, the Moscow Music Peace Festival in 1988, which is a whole story by itself, which is hilarious, because it was really to get Doc McGee out of jail and all this stuff. And this was before the wall came down. And the first thing I noticed there was what a bunch of shit this country is. They got this, where's the high tech? They had like gray Volkswagen type buses. And that was supposed to be the KGV. And it was like, this is bullshit. I saw, you know, I met the the Moscow Hell's Angels. I mean, there was, there was, there was Mayhem that hookers everywhere. The whole country was amazing. It was great to be there with Motley crew, Bon Jovi, Skid Rob, Los Yosborne. It was a, it was a crazy process again. 88. And so now the so that was the Soviet Union. And many people look at most people in Congress now, you know, the ones that are in charge are 80. And so they went through the Cuban missile crisis. They went there traumatized literally by Russia. Russia is going to my own family. Russia, Russia, it was the Soviet Union. So when we kind of struck a deal with the Soviet Union, and we said, look, Minsk agreement. This wall, it's coming down. We got to unify Eastern West Germany, and we're going to, now, the US by the way, had completely fucked them financially. They had nowhere to go. Just the same thing as we're doing now. We completely fucked them financially. They couldn't participate in the World Financial System. So they had to open it up and they had to stop the insanity. And of course, ultimately Moscow, you know, you've got big luxury brands there, and it really revitalized the country. But the agreement was, which was never documented, the agreement was, will never push NATO any closer to your border. And although it was there's documentation that that was agreed upon, it never made it into the agreement. And so it was never signed, which is just true. So idiot Russians or Soviet Union dudes, what a fucking moron you are that you can get didn't get that in writing. Because subsequently, we've had NATO just expand and expand and expand. And at a certain point, and this is the Russian disinformation, Putin now and Russia says, no more. You've got to stop. You've got to stop. And then when Ukraine wins a Lensky, the television actor plays the piano with his penis. You've seen it, right? You've seen it? No. He played the president of Ukraine on television in a movie. Yes, see that. But it was also comedian. And so if he has this bit where he would play, you've got to, Jamie, you've got to fight. It's hilarious. It's a funny bit. He's behind the piano when he's playing it with his dick. So when there you go, that's the president of Ukraine.

It's limited funny bit. It doesn't last that. Hold on a second.

So again, that's government. See, I think it's true. Absolutely. So when Zelensky said, yeah, we need some nuclear weapons from NATO here on our turf. That's when, of course, this is disformation. Putin went, no, fuck no, you're not going to do that. And then the corruption is important to keep Ukraine where it is, because money's running through that, there's all kinds of cyber shit.

I don't know if they're winning.

From military, military people who are in Poland, in Belarus, and you know them? Yeah, personally.

Yes, I mean, let's just look at some of this which is I think well documented. There's a lot of this gear doesn't really make it to the Ukrainian front. It you get stolen. It's all over Eastern Europe everywhere. These weapons tank tank mortars all kinds of stuff.

It's exactly like that. Robert Downey Jr. goes there and he sells it to some other dude because on the way to the front lines. Hey, I'll sell it to you. I'll sell it to you. Tony Stark.

All I know is The message from our government is Putin has to go, so they want a regime change in Russia. Putin has to go, and we're historically bad at killing leaders, like we tried Castro with exploding cigar, bit in everything, and we just sucked at it, and Putin is way too isolated, he's guarded, whatever. But that seems to be the only way that that changes is if Putin is dead or is gone. And I just don't see a way out of it. I mean, it's a fucking travesty. People are really dying, Russians and Ukrainians. People are dying. It's stupid. And all we can do is hang a flag and put an emoji on our Twitter hand like, oh, I'm for it. You shouldn't be for it. It's disgusting that $800 billion a year goes to the military in our country. Do you know how much shit you could fix for that? I think it's even more than that. Well, I'm just, I'm just giving you the top line number.

Here's a fun scale. Here's a fun statistic. Okay. If you made a dollar a minute, right? He'd be balling out. I can join. Within 12 days, you'd be a millionaire.

But let's just, let's just look at what this means.

I think it's 8 or 900 billion. Let's just call it trillion. Just to just ignore it. It was called it trillion. If you made a dollar a minute, you would be a millionaire within 12 days. If you made a dollar a minute, you would be a billionaire within 31 years. If you make a dollar a minute, you'd be a trillionaire within 31,000 years. That's how much fucking money this is. That's how much money this is. And we just hear billions and trillions and we don't think about it.

I got a great story for you about this. So we've never gotten an audit of the Pentagon. And the last time we were supposed to have a serious audit, Donald Rumsfeld was the secretary of defense. And on September, he comes out and he says, there's $2 trillion we can't account for. That was September 10th, 2001. Yeah. So last time we ever heard about any of the money being gone.

So first of all, two trillion in 20 years ago was a lot of money, but you know, that's a pit and freedom.

Well, I did grow up in Amsterdam and that was a part of life and it was normal.

normal to where the culture is and it's just later in someone's life like hey there's not normal yeah that's that's where things get weird like if you grew up in a place that had a red light district I guess you get a cost it's gone now it's always gone now oh yeah I didn't know that oh it had the the wage the coffee shops are going away of course it has to harmonize with the rest of Europe it can't it can't be this place where you got legal prostitution it's never been legal it was um not worth the word I'm accepted Tolerary. Very similar to Austin. Oh, you know, if you get conversation with weed.

All of that. Tolerated. All of that. Now the Netherlands now is without a doubt a narco state and the crime capital of the European Union. I mean, all the drugs flow through Rotterdam, all of it. Every single ecstasy pill is manufactured in the Netherlands. They invented that shit. Oh, yeah. Oh, and there's people getting killed left and right. There's gangs fighting. There's lawyers, journalists getting killed on the street, broad daylight. Jesus, just because they're trying to, they called the macro mafia, which is mainly Moroccans. You know, it used to be, you could kill someone for 5,000 euros. Now it's 50. You can get anyone to drive by in a scooter and kill somebody. It's fucked up. And people pretend that's not happening.

It's Russian disinformation.

Yeah. It's wild. Oh, yeah.

Well, I think the problem is the Netherlands really, you know, they almost have no, the farmers are going the way now. So they were a big agricultural community. But what are they doing?

It's the nitrogen. They say nitrogen is there's too much nitrogen in the soil and that is hurting a certain type of frog. I kid you not. That's the excuse, but that's not really what's going on. What is going on? The Netherlands, they have a lot of food technology. There's 8 billion euro a year business with Royal DSM. Used to be a chemical company. They switch into the number one manufacturer of taste and texture products. So your fake meat, your fake chicken, your fake everything will taste and the texture will be just delicious. because of that company and so then thing they need to do is get rid of as much get rid of the cows get rid of the cattle get rid of the animals because that's going to be like one big bedroom there's a tricities project and if you ever heard that'll be the Netherlands Belgium I think part of Germany and that's where people will live in these 15 minute cities you're just going to be a body that is useful for money like we talked earlier like as long as you have people as long as you have people who are around who can keep going then you have a business and the business is is just the people you know it's money it's all about money they so they don't care actively trying to get rid of these farmers because of the competition yeah I mean it's a done deal I mean it's fucking over it's done and this is a united nations codex elementary it's been going on for 50 years that the farmers have they gotten rid of Well, they're just starting, but they're going to get rid of every single one of them. And they're paying them off. So the farmer's saying, oh, I fuck it. Now, I'll take the two million, whatever, to give it up. I mean, the net, the Dutch, I love the Dutch, and I grew up there. So it's very important to me. But just like they capitulated against the Germans within 24 hours, They are all you know the farmer protests like yeah fuck yeah farmers yet fuck yeah we're all for the farmers hang the flag upside down when the after a week the Dutch are like Hey man, I can't get to work I can't I can't go to the supermarket could you stop the fucking protest already see that's the Dutch? And not everybody, of course. So they're going to give up. It's their culture. It's just what it is. They're not like America. We still have people who will fight. We're also armed that helps. That is a big factor. Yeah, that's the factor. I think it's the number one factor that we have.

That, we would be so toast. We would be so toast. We'd all go along with it.

I would not shock you Joe Rogan. I wouldn't shock you. I would be like fuck you can kill me. I'm not gonna shock Joe Rogan.

Hey, we finally got a flying car.

That's Adam. That's Adam still in the old school.

Oxford has already implemented a 15 minute city. Did you know that? Oxford, UK. Yeah. Is it 15 minutes?

Cold climate change is the excuse for everything is the reason why you got to eat fake meat. It's the reason why you can't fly. It's wild, right? Because we're not going to flying will be something only for the rich. Beful, but the only something for the rich. All the shit is happening is really I'm 11 months ahead, Joe. Yeah, you're always loved. We talked about this before. I don't think everything's going to go to shit in 11 months, but it's happening.

Well, here comes Adam's answer. Pray. Pray to God. I don't know any other answer. I don't know any other answer.

All the video is always fucking grainy. I mean, give me a joke. We got 4k in my fucking phone. Show me your shot of that TikTok. The TikTok man.

They can see, they can see your dick from outer space.

I think the Antarctic is really where the action is. I'm kind of of the mindset that when we brought all the, all the Germans over Operation Paperclip, you know, it's where Vom Brown and everyone came over. I can easily believe that they were flying saucers in the Antarctic that they had a city beneath the ice, you know, you can't go there anymore. You're not allowed to go there at all. You know, you can't go there to just end up. guys are doing shows there there's there is a no-go zone and there's an area and there's and there's an article here there's a trolls and stuff and you can't really go there but how much of that a lot of don't want you in a fucking die up there and have to go retrieve you no zero no fuck that sorry No, well, I don't know, but I think that there were people there who had this technology and, you know, at that, it's also where we got the, we had the technology to go to the moon, apparently. You know what, Bob was ours?

I mean that was the discussion. I mean it would be kind of crazy for me not to believe a that there's a lot out there in the universe and there has to be more than just us. It's also crazy to not, you know, to just discount that we've been bullshitted for all of our lives and there's they got a lot of cool shit going on and we just could be a bunch of peons. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me.

I believe in the firmament, baby, the firmament.

Yeah, possible. Yeah. What I like is the fact that, uh, what was his story, the missile silos, you know, they, they wouldn't open and just, and the saucers were hovering over them and it wouldn't happen, you know, call it what you want, but I, it makes me feel good. Yeah, they made me feel good. It was just, news just won't work.

Well, they should do something because it's getting a little heated out there. I mean, we're going to drop in and say, enough already.

That's not going to kill us. The connection to the internet, us and the internet becoming one, the singularity, the AI singularity that is seems a, seems just like it's a given at this point where we'll be even connected even tighter to the network. And a lot of people seem to like the idea, we already like our, our watches, you know, monitoring us and telling us what to do and when to get up and when to sit and when to run and how fast a cycle. That is the, in my mind, the true danger, everything else doesn't matter. We will kill ourselves that way before anything else does. I'm quite convinced of that.

That was that sauce. I'd love to be the guy that sees all the zombies around him. That's kind of cool.

We be of any use to them.

I think we should have stopped when the flesh light came out. That should have been the last human technology integration ever. We should have stopped there.

I love you, Joe Rogan, because whenever we're done with the talk, you always go here and I love it. I know that we're almost done. We're almost done. He's just going to take it to the ultimate. It will take a while, though. I don't think it's going to take that long. Let's party. Let's have a good time. Let's love each other.

Yeah, that little thing to beep into the phone to get to retrieve your messages. Oh, my goodness. I had to beep.

Not even a beeper. If you just think you called your own number, the answering machine, you you gave it the tone and rewind the tape. Right. That's right.

I think we've discussed it before there's a book or a manuscript called Industrial Society and its future and it predicted this entirely and where we're going and how this is going to end and the reason why the author of that document is in jail is because uh... he was the professor known as the unabarmer and he killed people that he was so convinced that what he was saying was right that he killed people blew them up so that the new york times in a washton post would publish his manuscript which they did yeah and if you read that it's on the internet is in the library is not a legal book it's or manuscript is very interesting because he predicts it with people who are over socialize and under educated Hello. Yeah. Hello. That's where we are right now.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You totally got MK Ultra. Beautiful. Yeah.

Which also turns out to be true.

And where do you think they are now with what they're doing?

You know, the hill country where I live, Fredericksburg, there's a vape shop, vape delicious, and a Kathy and Jerry run it. And it's basically a place where everyone comes together, vape's, and we talk about conspiracies. And these sounds like these are kind of plays. These are farmer, these are truck drivers. It's beautiful. And so the latest thing is I'm bringing it to you straight from the front lines, Joe.

Clones. Clones. Trump is a clone. He's not the real Trump anymore. Everyone's a clone.

I don't think you would be able any say in the matter.

No, he probably thinks he's really a beautiful man.

That's great.

But there's a lot of history between American Jews and American descendants of slavery. There's a lot of history there that I've spoken to Mo, Mo facts. I do the podcast with, and there's stuff that you and I don't know haven't been exposed to when it comes to black Americans versus Jewish Americans. coming from kind of the same place at the same time, being outcast and having a difficult time integrating. So there's, it's old, old, old shit that is never discussed. And if only they could do that. And so I think that's what Kanye is trying to do. He's trying to say, we need a conversation about the history of these two tribes, tribes, all Americans, but tribes, because we're all immigrants one way or the other. and that's not happening I think that's what Kanye is trying to do and it's above my pay grade but there's something there that you know he should be able to speak but he I mean you know man it's just that's not how the world works bro if you go everywhere and you know you can people also get tired of it you know well you shouldn't want to I mean you

You can't. If you panic, I.

But ultimately is all about money and advertising. The advertisers run away so we have to control that and it became the way they run business. It just became that it evolved. It evolved. It is about that.

Now, this is tech are a bunch of horrors because if you'll remember, what are you saying? At a certain point in the, I would say, was it No, it was in the 2000s. All the Silicon Valley CEOs were handing out Atlas shrugged to their to their employees. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. Objective is in my Iran. Yeah. Fuck it. You know, it was very right wing, very Republican. Peter Teal still stayed that way. But most of the other ones went, I'm going to be over here with the winner.

He's the, how we did that in the last couple of times. 30 years ago, they started that. Yeah. And the seeds were planted. It seems like it could be possibly true.

That was a whoopsie.

Yeah, I really, I don't kill you.

It looks pretty shitty, so it must be 89.

The CIA also did the same thing to Europe. They had all these cultural people and artists and beat nicks and they went over to Europe, all CIA assets to integrate, you know, to kind of get everyone more Americanized, come to our side, not don't go to the East, you know, stay with us, stay with us. And they were integrated everywhere. I mean, just, you know, music, theater, everything. And that's, it made it now documented for sure. So this is just the way of the world. It's the way of the world. You are the exception which is very, very exceptional. What you are doing is, you know, seemingly you're not a puppet for Putin or a shield for the CIA. It's very exceptional what you do. It's, it's, you are a dare I say it, a national treasure. Oh, that's all sweet of you. Yeah, I mean that.

Invented the idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And where that came from, I don't know, it just, I was, you were there. It was like, I saw the iPod. I saw what Dave Wyner was doing. I said, let's put this together and boom, it was podcasting. And then I just started podcasting. So the developer software developers would come and make applications. What year was this again? Um, 2004. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah, you got kicked off in the next day here.

What's interesting is it's all video and really podcasting to me is still audio and it's very expensive. The problem with video is it's very expensive to do if unless it's free on YouTube, which is why YouTube tries to always capture a word, podcasts are here, podcasts here. But honestly, I listen to JRE, you know, I just don't have the time in my, in my life to be watching. Yeah, listen to most

Yeah. Or I'm going to walk at the gym. Yeah. Or doing the dishes. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, you're being way too kind. I mean, I just, Dave Winner, of course, was a part of it, and it happened. I think our genius was, we didn't try to patent it or to copyright it, you know, just let it be what it is. And that's, we were always, we'll be free believers in the open web, the open internet, and stay away from anything that centralized.

Yeah, because they're still doing that. Well, they basically move towards subscriptions.

But this started happening around the time that we launched a value for value streaming payments and podcasting 2.0. How long ago?

And all right, I don't have to pee. So once you go pee, okay. I'll wait and then we'll wrap it up.

to rest in between sets then you can if you do five like I get fully recovered so I do a hard set I get fully recovered and then I do another one and it but it takes a long as time to do a workout that way and I'm drinking a lot of water can ask you a question with all the things you do yeah when you actually read and prepare for these chats that you have I mean you're on the road you're doing shows you got all the stuff going on you're working here whatever four or five times a week Do you sit at home?

I just can't you do that when you're working out? Can you also listen to audio book? I can.

I had to stop reading.

Yeah, we know him from the age time He and Berks and Redfield, they were all there with the AZT and the HIV of the 80s. Well, that's in the book. I know. But I remember it. I did charities with him and, well, Elton John Charity or something like that. And they would always be there, Fauci, Berks and Redfield. And, you know, the friends of mine died. But I think they died from AZT.

I go watching in between sets You know, you know, it's not for me

Yeah. I just walk three times a day with no music, no podcast, nothing. Just my dog. Just walk. Just walk nice too. Oh, it's so good. Rain, shine, whatever, just walk.

No, in fact, I guess the pandemic and the lockdowns really took a lot of that away from people and they've been conditioned to, you know, for the next phase. I mean, clearly it's a plan of some sorts.

I think it's certainly being taken advantage of.

Like it's just what it is. The industrial society in this future. It is the technology that is taking us this We have tailbones, Joe. We're not prepared for this. That one real fast. You got to make it one really fast with the cell phone came. And before you knew it, remember when you couldn't even cash a check from another bank. Now we have to do it. Debit cars. Apple pay in our lifetime. There's a lot of advancement.

And we kind of the last ones who know what it was like. My daughter's 32. And she, you know, she remembers a lot of the analog age and so she's still okay. But anything that's grown up digital there. Yeah, it's a new breed for a new breed of human and must be taken advantage of. It's taken advantage of all of the propaganda. All of the propaganda. It was so easy. It's so easy now with the propaganda. You know, you walked in the mall and just see what's going on. You'll see the kids in their stroller two years old with an iPad.

You know, fuck you, parents. This is not a good idea. It's really dumb, but it's inevitable.

I gave you my answer earlier. That's the only one.

Because we'll love each other and we'll have understanding for each other. Yeah. They won't even have emotions.

No.

I would be organic. I would definitely be organic.

Five years? Yeah. Wow.

I think we saw them in a brave new world if you read that with someone. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, yeah. Well, people go for that. Absolutely. But right now, we as humans the organic humans have a responsibility to call this shit out and say hey hold on a second this is where it will go with your kid if you treat it like this and you give it this this this upbringing so you know sports all kinds of stuff you can do with your kid that cannot involve technology it had kick-a-ball anything do anything write a horse I don't do some shit with the last the little he can's out I'm curious

Oh, it's safe. Yes. That's right. You get a wire. And it's good for you, Crane. It's good for you, Crane.

It's good for you, Crane. It's good for you, Crane.

What's crazy? That or Jesus is real. I don't know.

I will send you evidence, demand to verdict. It's a great book. What does it say? It's an outline of all, it really proves with empirical evidence based upon writing and artifacts, et cetera, that this happened.

How can you possibly, you could never get to the end, of course not.

It is. Look, all the writings, all the gospel. It's not all one language. It's a whole bunch of different versions of it. It's meant to be interpreted by us, by humans. That's my opinion.

Well, look at the pyramids. It's all the same time. Look at the pyramids, man. That's some crazy ass shit. Yeah. The pyramids. So there was something going on. Maybe they were much more advanced than we are right now. Maybe we're just the dumb shits that are left over after, you know, Noah's Ark. I don't know.

And that's. But we don't have to worry because NASA now knows how to push them out of orbit. Oh, for sure. We'll be safe.

And then Elon's going to go up there and mine it for lithium or iridium or whatever we need in our cell phones.

Yes, they're minors, but also the Bruce Willis movie was that?

No, they were mining and then they had to blow it up so that wouldn't crash into earth.

I was too distracted by what's her name again? Holy crap. Oh man. Yeah, that's the future.

We'll no longer take care of everything. Everyone just be hot. It'll be so boring. Yeah, she's hot. Yeah, it's hot and it's hot. No one has flaws. No one has little things. Right. Weird that that is truly the part of the human condition.

Well, I'm already on the way with my spelled body.

I don't remember. I don't remember. 11 months from now, I will probably have my, my real teeth in my new ones.

I hope, well, let's, I got to justify, brother.

Thank you so much for inviting me to come by again. My pleasure, brother. It's always really time for this and thank you for making Texas even better than already. Well, that's ridiculous. We love you here.