Transcript for #2016 - Patrick Bet-David

Yes, yes. We still have the goat as the president, Joseph, that she's doing a really good job. He's amazing.

You know what was kind of weird what I saw the other day on Twitter. I saw an ad from Newsom for campaigns. So I'm like, what are you doing? What's the outcome of your raising money right now? It's not like you're running for governor or you need to start raising money now. So what's this all about? So that clip, the ad I saw for two days of Newsom that kind of made me think, I remember four years ago. I don't know if you remember this event. It's four years ago. And Joe Biden's not on Instagram at all. So he's not on Instagram. He's not doing anything. All of a sudden, every joker, you know, Joseph Biden, he's on Joe Biden's on Instagram. And I put a comment. First comment. All this means is he's running. Okay. This is pre him announcing that he's going to run. And I'm bone. Because what's Joe Biden going to do on Instagram? You know, put a picture of who is, you know, you know what he's doing pictures with hunter or pictures with his seven grand dot you know you're not you're not going to know what he's going to put up there right so when you see signs with new some doing that there's something there you know with whether these guys are planning for taking them out at Chris come on the podcast a couple weeks ago And one of the things I remember during COVID, I don't know if you remember this every day we would see Andrew Cuomo. Everything, the conversation was just gonna be the next president. Look how presidential he is. You know, the the vast difference between two guys from New York, one acts presidential. The other one doesn't. If Andrew ran today, he would be the president and every day, you know, we would go on Facebook, he's doing this thing he's eating. And then maybe this guy's going to do that and he's on the show always with Chris and they're doing their stuff and maybe this is going to happen. And then all of a sudden, his own party chose to eliminate him because he couldn't be controlled. So the thing about the Democratic Party sometimes, it could be both sides. I think if they choose to eliminate Biden, it's going to be two, three, four stories on what they're going to say. He's choosing to step away due to health. You know, my wife and I had a conversation, Jill, we're going to spend more time with the grandkids. And if he doesn't do it, then they're going to come out and they're going to say, listen, man, we got a lot of dirt on you, bro. You got to kind of step away if you want to protect your legacy or 81. We're going to have somebody else come in here. Notice, new Sims been edifying you and prop in you up and new some trash as the Santas and he's edifying you. This is a way of Newsom to come out if he thinks, because I think Newsom thought it's going to be him in the Santis, because the Santis can't maybe thought he's going to fall out, Trump's going to drop out, and Newsom's maybe thinking about that as well. And then, so Newsom's going to come out and say, look, you know, the Santis is not loyal. How do you trust a man that wasn't loyal to the guy that helped him become a governor without Trump? The Santis wouldn't, he would say that. I think he would say that, and then he would say, but look how loyal Newsom was to the very end to Biden. I think that is a good story line for them to redirect the world.

I don't disagree. I don't disagree. How they get away with it now and you're hearing everybody from the other say how they're weaponizing the justice system to eliminate a candidate. I don't know if you're following what Vivek said yesterday. He came out and says, look, I want to compete against Trump, but not by using some like this and what they're doing on the other side. All I'm saying is, If Newsom shows that he's being respectful of Biden, because what is your theory of why the sentence is not having momentum?

You got to respect the a level of deceptiveness that's been used. I mean, look at what Hillary did going and saying, hey, it's Russia, but it was really, you know, what she was doing and now they're using a similar play as well. I don't know. Did you, did you ever, because I remember when I was in, when we did, we were there at the show. Was it in Jacksonville? You were performing and it was UFC, all of it combined to get, I think the Santas was there watching, right? Yeah. And he came to the show. Did you and him ever talk about him getting on the show or no, you guys I'm I talked to him. I said hi to him. Okay. But you've never invited him to be on the show. Okay. Here's what I'll tell you from my experience with his camp, which is kind of weird for me. So everybody you speak to from VVX camp RFK's camp, Trump's camp, like this they get back to you. Let's just get back to you. Here's what's going on. Here's what we are. Every time you try to get a hold of anybody from the synthesis camp, good luck, and by the way, it doesn't matter if it's like, you know, we go and we meet with them in, in, in, in, uh, Tallahassee. I sit down and I meet him in this wife Casey, Brockstar, Casey something else, and the synthesis is a genius when it comes down to policies and all that stuff, but maybe not a marketer. Whether it's Christina, whether it's this other guy calls me the other, they say, hey, they're telling me you're having a heart time getting a hold of us. I said, no, no, we're not having a heart time getting a hold of anybody. You guys call, we ain't never call back afterwards about doing something together. So then that gets me to think. Now all the interviews that he's doing with people, the first question everyone's asking is, why do you think you're rating solo? Why do you think you have to do this? Why do you think you have to do that? I think their marketing mistake was big, not coming out the gates early on. and they're suffering the consequences because yes, I know answer the question he doesn't want to answer constantly. So, I don't know, you know, then the other conversation is, is this guy ever going to be able to be a president? Is that ever going to happen? Is he, you know, marketable enough to do that? No one knows, but I think they're marketing teams screwed up or imagine your handlers, people that are your handlers, okay? If they come, if I go to your handler, And I say, hey, here's what we like to do something with Joe. Let's just say you and I have never had any interaction together. I'd like to pitch Joe XYZ show or do this. Okay. He says, let me give back to you. If there are professionals, there's one of two things that happens. One, he comes up to you. If he doesn't get back to me, my interpretation is, Joe's not interested. Or they forgot to follow up, okay? Because they're so busy. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt that they forget to follow up. But if it happens three different camps, it's not the team. You don't want to do a lot of these tough long form interviews. So I don't know. This is going to be a very interesting election cycle to see what happened. I don't think a lot of people think Joe's going to be there at the end.

I think one person will lose their minds if Joe steps down.

One person would absolutely lose her shit. You know, who that is? Oh, Hillary. Yeah. She's not the first. Carolina becomes the first president. You know, if he steps down before, right, or if he finishes, I mean, that's some crazy stuff right there.

Yeah, but on the back end, when they flip, they're all united when they flip, meaning If they go after, if they did it with quam. Exactly. So to me, Andrew Cuomo is a case study of what's about to come. Like, it's a conversation where whoever that guy is, whoever the guy is, there's got to be a guy that makes the phone call, right? That guy can talk to him. And it's a joke. It's time. And we got to figure something out. And you got to step away. And we're going to protect your legacy. Netflix has already agreed to do a massive four-part series documentary on your life. And we got you a $30 million deal with Simon and Schuster. And outside of that, you're good. You're scored away. You're going to get this award. You're going to get that award. And your wife's going to get this. And you're going to get this. And you don't have to worry about pardon all this. But you got to step away. That person's going to make the phone call, especially to the people when you're part of the establishment. That person can't make the phone call to the anti-establishment people. But that person can make the phone call to the establishment people. And he's full blown establishment 50 years, if you want to, you know, 60 years. The new thing is a little bit interesting. I think new some is 10 times more marketable than Biden. When Newsom went on Hannity, I don't know if you saw it or not. Most people said Newsom won. Oh my God, it was he did a very good job representing himself as a politician. First of all, what you're doing is you're going in enemy territory, Sean Hannity. Sean Hannity is a Trump guy. So you're willing to go to anybody and you go to him. You didn't go to somebody that's a little safer. You went straight to him. And afterwards, everyone was like, you know, Newsom showed up, he did this, he did that sort of Newsom takes a page out of Trump's playbook to go against opposition. He shows strength, Democrats are just going to get behind somebody and they got a behemoth of a machine to start talking about why he's such a hero, why he's such a this, you know, why he's so noble. So, you know, the other part, Joe, that RFK is confusing a lot of these guys are if can be back what did the two guys doing they're going on podcast they're going everywhere yeah and and and and some of these guys are not realizing the power of you yet the power of the podcast model the power of freedom is the power of going and talking to the people because it's digital you know i'm i'm looking at the video here 15 minute clip five minute clip twitter short clip so i think this could be the first case study where mainstream media for an election, this could be the last one where they have a little bit of an advantage. I think it's about to be done for them.

So I got a question for you. So in regards to Tucker, we're not, you know, professional psychoanalyzers, but we're just speculating and having a conversation. When you think about Tucker, what do you think his play is? Meaning? Do you, does Tucker come across as a guy to you that wants to be the next Robert Murdock billionaire? Do you say, I think this guy wants to be a billionaire? That's one. Two. Do you get the vibe from Tucker's like, look, I just want to do podcast, be left alone. I don't want to work for anybody. I want to do my own thing and that's it. or three. Do you get the vibes from Tucker that Tucker wants to be? A Netanyahu, a church hill, a guy that is, you know, journalists that's been debating everybody has been reading every issue for the last 20, 30 years. He was went through the phase of John Stewart sitting there on Crossfire when he had a bow tie on trying to bully him and then he comes out and crushes everybody. Tucker does. What do you think is his play? You think it's billions, you think it's just being left alone, and let me love my life, or you think it's actually maybe he wants to make a run for 2028?

Do you ever know when somebody does?

Now we'll be in told this now we're being told. Yeah, and then New York Times came out saying a third of the deaths could be exaggerated. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah.

Yeah, it's pretty wild when you think, by the way, when you talk about Tucker, what you were doing on the podcast space, he was doing on the mainstream space. Yeah, very interesting. Now, when you think about talent, I'm sure if Fox invites you and says, hey, Joe, we'd love to have you on a guess for 10 minutes, secondly, like that I'm not doing a 10 minute segment. It's probably not going to be your style to going to want, you know, gone, newsmax or Fox or CNN to give a 10, five minute answer that you give. America doesn't want that anymore, right? And a lot of these guys that have these TV shows for them to go from there to doing a podcast, they think it's easy. It's not for everybody. You know, you used to reading a teleprompter. Hey, so that earlier today at 6 p.m. you know, Devon Archie did this right, but Tucker It's comfortable there. Right. You know, when he did the Iowa event with the blaze and he's up there interviewing everybody, boom, you know, he goes after ISIS. So, you know, now that you know everything that you know, did you take the COVID vaccine and how do you feel about the decision? Right. And he says, did you take any of the vaccine? No. Mike Pence, hey, so you know now that you're this, you know, what do you think about that? Well, I'm glad you're paying attention that I'm running. Yes, but how about this? Right. One by one by one by one. That is very scary. It's not a duplicatable skill set for a guy like him to do. Tucker. But the key is is this guy going to get the edge because at the turning point, USA event, which are the Kirk. Afterwards, I'm asking everybody and I want to know who stole the show. You know like you have suffice the guy get $50 bonus you're gonna give. That's maybe it's not the main card, but it's someone that steals a show. Okay. It was 60 40 Trump 60 40 Tucker. Yeah. So it's like Tucker's coming in to, you know, but the part that he's not doing right now is, which I think is going to work in his favor. He's not going in there saying I'm not running this time around. You know, he comes out and says in 20 28. And imagine if a, let's just say Trump wins and he runs 20, 28th and Trump's endorsing him, I mean, he could be an office for eight years.

Would he get your vote?

So when you have in Trump on, Okay, you're the lord. I don't know. Maybe like you got something maybe. Okay, good. That's good. I think that's it.

Yeah, you know, when I was thinking about you interview and Trump. And I know you've said in the past, you know, I would never help them. I think you said it on alex. And you turn to lex and you say, like, would you interview Putin? You know, and he's, can you guys got that, you know, moment together? And then I saw how you opened up RFK's interview, which by the way, incredible, the way you opened it up, the whole conversation back and forth. And you said, look, I thought you were this. I thought you were that. I thought you were this. And I'm bom. You do the interview. And people are like, wow, kind of like the sky, you know, I kind of like what he's doing. And he's been out to getting whatever number he's at right now, 15, 16, 17%. I think if you think about the most complicated, misunderstood person in our generation, let's just say if we say the last 30 years. What would you put Trump as the most misunderstood, complicated person that we've had in America in the last 30 years?

He's untouchable.

Yeah, what's wrong with golden showers? He's going to make something up, you know?

Well, I think you would break the internet.

Yeah, when you do that, you know, I had a clay Travis and buck sexton on and we're having a conversation with them. Here's what I asked them. And I disagree, but I'm curious, and about you can't really answer this one, but it's something that we can be thinking about. I said, listen, can you imagine 10 years ago Joe Rogan saying he's going to vote Republican or he's going to vote for Trump or even six years ago him saying that, right? Can you imagine Elon Musk saying that six years ago seven years ago? Both of them left to state California. That's a bad look for Newsom. It's not a good thing. You're here, he's here. I know right now Elon's kind of playing the card of San Francisco. We're not going to leave. We're not going to do this because Twitter X, all that stuff great. That's a completely different position he's taking. But what is the power? What is the power of a mosque or a U? All of a sudden saying, yeah, I'm not voting for Joe Biden, but I would consider voting for Trump. What does that do? See, that's the stuff that I don't think we know the case that he have yet. We don't know what the impact is. A lot of people when you talk or Joe Biden people, you know both sides can be pretty delusional. A percentage of them can be delusional. Joe Biden's a great guy. What are you talking about? Family guy, great father. You know, all this stuff is fantastic. He's just sweet. He's loving. He's caring. He doesn't have a temper. That's just the right wing people that are doing that stuff. It's a QAnon type of people that are saying that. Okay. Then there's a people that say stuff about Trump and they'll defend at all costs. Perfect. The question becomes, uh, with Trump statistics, if that New York Post article, the tweet was out and they didn't block it, would you have still voted for? No way. So Trump would have been president. Yes. Okay. If, and this is asking liberals, if there was no COVID, would you have still voted for Trump? Well, forget about it. If there's no COVID, Trump's getting reelected. Okay, great. All these ifs that you go with, if, if, if, if it's all, yes, Trump, yes, Trump, yes, Trump, two terms. So now today, there is a group of people, Joe, that are Republicans who are, who are convinced Trump can't win. They don't believe he can win. They're convinced, believe it or not. They don't think this guy can win, okay? And these are not lightweight people.

So they're like, there's no way he's going to win. I mean, look what happened.

No, some of them are the guys that supported them. You know, some of them like, you know, Bill Barr comes out and says, you know, if he's the nominee, I'm on a jump off a bridge. I'm like Bill, which bridge? Because you're jumping off a bridge, right? It's going to be happening. I'm a knee, who's going to come out and be an nominee? Who? You know, a Vivek is kind of playing his cards in a way of being a VP and he saw what Trump said the other day. Trump said, you know, I'm going to watch everybody to see who's going to fight that maybe I'm picking my vice president. What is he saying? I'm not going to be on the debate stage, right? When you see some of this stuff. So I don't know. There's a part where you think it's going to be a sweep and he's going to come in and win like 44 states like Reagan beat Carter, something like that that could happen, which is like a underdog. type of a situation, or the Dems have to move very quickly, but I don't think they have a lot of time. I think I got 30 days to move.

Here we go, Joe. You want to go to election fraud?

Yeah. Okay. So, election fraud. It's happened for a long time. It was a lot easier back in the days than it is today. A lot easier back in the days than it is today. You can always go back to the do we think, you know, Chicago, John F. Kennedy, they thought they needed it. It's got 7,000 dead people to vote all this in the later on. We never need it in the first place.

That's right. All of that. So, but then today, so this is where my skepticism comes in. This is where I get paranoid. As a Middle Eastern, we're naturally paranoid by nature. We don't trust a lot of things, but this is the skepticism. So, TSA, November of 2001, Bush introduces us to TSA. Prior to November 2001, there was no TSA, you walked to the gate. Family could come and see you at the gate and wait for you. No moving forward is TSA. Today, if you go through TSA, all you do is give the ID, bound, bound. You don't even show the ticket. Go in, right? Okay. So why is it racist to do that when you're voting? Right. See that that a logical person I can see a Democrat. Defending that, knowing it's an edge for the other side, strategically. I get it. If you understand what I'm saying, I can see you saying that not, I don't think that's fair for us to do. Hey guys, let's pull the racist card. This is going to be big for these guys. Totally get it. But to the independent or the reasonable Democrat that's sitting there saying some of the stuff you guys are doing, I'm not part of this camp. I'm a JFK Democrat. Let's just say, right? Right. Those guys are sitting there saying, I'm sorry, what? You just took my idea, TSA. I'm going on a flight to New York. You don't want to take my ID for voting? You don't want to do that? Right. You can check my eyes when I'm going to work to sign in to work and you're going to go like this. Okay, great. He signed in at 858. Great. You don't want to do that for voting. You can't do some of that.

Yeah, you get a couple million here. and then in 2024, like if you think about issues to run on, right? You go, Trump ran on 2016 on what? Build a wall, all these, they're sending their worst, they're rapists, they're doing their rap in our women. Okay, and then he went after a couple different people, Obama ran on freedom or forward or whatever the dream. Okay, Carter ran on human rights, everybody runs on something. If they run on dream, dreamers, you know, let's legalize the dreamers that are here. Again, you got to give the Dems credit. Leave the border open. Let them come in 2024. We convert these guys to voters. We just got two million new voters. Right. Say 90 percent vote are sides. Say 80 percent vote are sides. You know, I think the Hispanic vote is 64 percent Democratic right now. 36, you know, 36 is either independent or, you know, Republican. African-American is still between 88 to 94%. 88 to 94% votes Democratic. Okay. So if they can convert that, that's another edge for them. But for me, the fraud, voter fraud thing, if you're hesitant to want to check IDs, it's just like a parent talking to their kids. So where were you last night? with them to come home. Oh, dad, you know, I had a, you know, something happened at a flat tire. Oh, you did? Yeah, who changed it? Oh, my friend changed it with which tire I've had flat tires before, right? And you kind of watching your some bullshit and you're like, I was 14 before guy. Yeah, I'm in 16. I know what you're doing. I'm not a dummy. So when the government does stuff like that, The people that are sitting there paranoid, they're like, why would you have a problem with this? The level of hypocrisy hurts. I'm sort of climate change argument, for example. You know, while we have to be worried about the future of our kids, you know, what about this? Nothing is more important, Joe than white supremacist and climate change. Nothing. And like, really, whites are meant, yeah, climate change is dangerous. You see what's going to happen? He's so great at thumbwork. I don't know if you saw that video.

Did you see her doing the fake like she's like, how dare you?

Yeah, she's just doing this thing. But she's a kid. Yeah. But again, she, she fooled a lot of people, don't they? Girls got six million followers on Twitter. Is that fooling people? Not really. She's a useful idiot, don't you?

But you know, Dylan likes girls.

That's called being straight.

And you just wear a Halloween costume?

How do you, how do you feel yourself with this, this whole thing? Um, I had, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh So, and I ask him a question where I say, so let me ask you, how good are you at giving blow jobs? And he looks and I'm like, kind of a freaking question is that. He says, I'm sorry. And I said, yeah, how good are you at giving it? He says, no, I said, when you were 11 years old, did anybody teach you how to give one? No. Why would they teach me that? That's what they're teaching in schools right now in many different places. Oh, they're not doing that. They're not doing that. There's no way they're doing that.

There are books, right? Okay. So if a person wants to sell that book at Barnes & Noble, go for it. If a person wants to sell that book on Amazon, go for it. But what do you think about parents that are protesting all over the place where some districts, these guys are saying, no, this is recommended reading by the teacher and it's normal. It's okay. You should learn about this at an early age. How do you feel about them?

What's the percentage of parents do you actually think? Obviously we don't know the exact number. But what percentage of parents left the right middle think that's okay? What do you think that percentage is?

You think it's 1% 5%, 10%, 15%, you think it's 20%, plus like if you were to guess.

do you think that's kind of like let's just say I'm your friend okay and we're out at a restaurant and you know how there's the guys that all of a sudden somebody's gonna say Joe you're picking up a topic we're having dinner we're having the conversation what do you think about voting this way and one of your friends this guy feels like I have to agree with a hundred percent of what Joe says because it's Joe Joe's my boy Joe said this Joe you're running one hundred percent right And then you got one of your friends, like, I don't know if I agree with you, man. I think it's this, this, and you're having debate. Do you think there's a part of the political party where they feel like just because I'm a Democrat, I have to agree with 100% of what everything they're pitching me? There's a bunch of people like that.

So, Joe, how are you? I'm 44. 56 in a couple of weeks. Well, you look great for 56, you're all I'm just looking at your place, you're walking around walking behind you, I'm like, holy shit, this guy's in shape. But okay, 55, we're going to be 56. From your experience at this age, when did you and I care the most about what people thought? What age were you when we cared the most about what people thought?

Okay. Fair enough. Okay. So how little do you give a shit about what people think about you today?

Would you lose sleep at night now? Okay. So that's the point.

Totally agree. Totally agree. But let's not pick people like you and I. Let's pick a regular guy. One of your guys out there, you know, that I won mention names that, you know, he's always with you. Do you think he cares more at 42 years old? What I think about him?

So let me ask you this question. As a 55-year-old man, if you were really gay right now, Joe, would you care about coming out?

You know, by the way, I'm not trying to convert you to come, you know, for both of us right now to make an announcement. Public announcement right now. Joe Rogan and Patrick with David came out and we're both getting married. We're both getting married. We'd take some last name.

Yo, I got a hyphenated last name, but hyphenated, but I understand. Rogan, bed, David, or bed, David, Rogan. So I want you to think about this. The part where I go is the following. The statistic, traditionalists, 0.8% are gay. Boomers, 2.6%. Then it goes to 5.1%, then it goes 10%. Is it really 10%? Oh yeah, Gen Z's right now is 21%.

Do you want to pull this? Jimmy, can you want to 1% gay? 21% of Gen Z right now is gay.

Check that out. Look at that right.

Yeah. Look at the 0.8% tradition was boomers 2.6 Gen X4 to Millennials 10.5 and it got Gen Zs around 21%. Right? Okay. So when you look at the statistics, why would Gen Z become gay? They care about what other people think. You know, this is like, you know, it's kind of versus the traditionalist dude. If I'm like 72 years old and I'm gay, guess what? I'm coming out. I'm like, hey, man, I am. What do you want to do about it? I'm going to go and hang out with Jose over here and leave me alone. Leave me alone. Do what you got to do. So I think You know, we're truly messing up with a generation that really cares about what other people think and we're screwed them up in a big way.

That's a good point. Like even the social dilemma thing kind of like where you're going, where these kids are so worried about what other people think. I think it's a big mistake and I think we're going to pay a price for it. And it's going to take us a decade or two to see the results of this.

So Joe, question. What age should a person if they want to try marijuana or smoke weed? What age is an appropriate age to smoke weed? Well, I think you've talked about this before in the past.

Those videos, do you see those videos? These guys are walking all like zombies.

Well, I think there was a statistic that came out that even with the taxing of weed in California, guys were still selling weed themselves and buying it directly illegally because it was cheaper due to the tax. And so they still have an access to it. So it's kind of like if you look at cigarettes right now with their worth, you know, the amount of tax they're putting on cigarettes. So there's a counter argument to that where if you do tax it, some people are still going to sell it illegally because it's going to be cheaper. You know, the whole thing about education, all of that stuff, you know, that's a libertarian position. You're making their will it become a national thing? There was a time nobody thought marijuana was going to be legal. But today nobody cares about, you know, the marijuana's legal or not.

How do you solve it? The whole thing would legalize and get what you got to tear the bandaid off.

Joe, at this phase of your life, you know, 20 year old is different, 30, 40, 50 year old's different. What for you when you're looking at a president? Are you more looking at like, here's the five issues that matter to me the most today. If somebody can run on these five things and you can win, you got my vote. Are you more looking for person with policies that match yours? Are you looking for somebody that can be in charge, lead, cannot be controlled is a somewhat of an anti-establishment personality that can do their part. What's more important to you at this phase of your life?

Do you have a president is there a president?

No, no, I'm not talking right now. I'm talking in a past like is there somebody where you're like

So when you guys are going paddle boarding together, you guys got something in Austin Lake or a nice shallow place.

So you think we would ever know what really happened to the guy?

So you know how there's certain things in life you can debate with other people because it's personal. For example, let's just say you were always a pro gun guy. A person was okay. One day he's got guns in the house and a robber comes in in the house. you know his son grabs a gun and tries to shoot the guy accidentally shoots his wife and the robber shoots the son the son and the wife die right there okay obviously this is a one in a billion chance but I'm just saying okay so if that happens okay he comes home wife is dead son is dead the shooter is dead let's just say okay in that moment And he's a proud second amendment and are a member for 30 years. He's a 52-year-old guy. Let's just say. Okay. When everybody's gone and he's by himself, does he sit there and say, and if I didn't have that gun, and I told my 14-year-old son that it's going to be above the whatever kitchen, He would have never pulled a gun out. He wouldn't shot his mom and the shooter wouldn't shot him. They would have been here today. You know what? For the rest of my life, I don't believe we should have guns in house. Let's just say that philosophical. Okay. Changes the person's opinion. And you and I, we don't know this guy. We're at dinner. And we have a second amendment debate. Okay. And all of a sudden, he's like getting emotional. No one should own a gun. I don't do what is wrong with this guy. What do you mean you should on it? So my freedom is this, that's nobody should, because you never know what's gonna happen. I'm finally like, can we ask you why you're saying this? And then he walks away. And then his friend says, here's what happened. I'm not okay. I don't want to debate this guy. I got it. That's a life-changing deal, right? At what point does an event need to happen in an area of your life that you fully agree with to say, dude, I don't care. This doesn't make sense. I have to get to the bottom of this. Did my son have a heart attack because of the vaccine that we took? Or is it politics more than I may be wrong?

And that's why I think you are as influential as you are because so guys are asking me a question like hey Pat your friends with Joe you know you guys talk you this what you think he's gonna do do you have insight like do I've never asked Joe and I don't know whether Joe's gonna interview Trump or not right but I said let me tell you what I think of Joe here's what I see of Joe of following him and You know, you and I have had dinner three, four, five times together, some like that. But we haven't like hung out, hung out, hung out to really know of each other. Maybe we've spent 20 hours to get a total. I know a couple of times we're in, you know, Jackson, we had dinner to four, five o'clock in the morning, that in itself, we had some good times together. But I said, I think he's going to interview Trump. Why do you think he will? I said, because Joe's level of maturity is such a level that he's comfortable to say, Yeah, I change my mind. I want to talk to the guy. Okay. Most people can't do that. Because a level of ego stubbornness that we have, we're just not going to do it like now. No, never. Never. I'm never going to do it. There's no one. Okay. So, Kyrie is in LaBrancia. Kyrie doesn't want to take the vaccine. They don't let the guy play. You know, the whole New York, New York, Brooklyn, Nets or whatever. would you, Stephen A. Smith coming up, this should get rid of him. This man shamed on him, $19 million. You should take the vaccine. It's not the responsible. And you know, Stephen A is the spokesperson for ESPN. So bomb, Stephen A may be the same. What his job is, and that's maybe what he believes in. But I think what's going to happen is when a guy like you who I would say pre-2016, 2017, maybe even pre-2019. Most of your listeners percentage-wise, I don't know if this date is out there or not, I would say most of them would be libertarian if we were to put, you know, right, center, left, whatever, I would say most of your audience until 2019 was probably center-left, is what I would put it. Now you could dispute this degree, whatever, I'm just giving my opinion, okay. For the guy that said marijuana should be legal. For the guy that was in documentaries, you were in documentary talking, what is this? And you're giving your argument about kind of, kind of makes sense. You know, maybe you should make this legal. You all of a sudden were like, yeah, no, I'm not with the guys. For years, I was like, vaccine is what we saw it say so many lives and I'm not with it. And as you went on the offensive and then they went and brought old clips from you because you're target, And then they spend nearly $300 million of marketing dollars. You know what I'm saying when I say $300 million of all the shit they talked about you, they didn't even know what they did. They made you the guy and it's game over. They screwed up on the way they approached the enemy. Where I'm going with this show is, if this happens to the wrong person, where to them, it's not politics over known to truth, the shit's over. And if it's somebody that's part of their camp, you can't all of a sudden say will a brand doesn't know what he's talking about he's not a doctor you know yeah that person doesn't know what they're talking about they're they're they're gonna try to demonize them undermining whatever they're gonna do with a person right there But eventually, I believe it's going to happen to somebody who was provaxing, who took the shots, who made a decision as a family for their kids to take it. And some's going to happen and they're going to say, I'm sorry, I have to find out for the rest of my life. What's going to kind of like RFK has to find out, no, no, what would you guys do to my dad?

Founder of our last 19 early treatment fund.

I think they're easy targets to say, look at this conspiracy theorists and they go after them. I don't think they're going to move the needle.

I think you move the needle. I think Elon moves the needle. I think LeBron moves the needle. I think you know Aaron Rogers moves the needle. I think I think a joke of which moves the needle. These types of guys move the needle because you have to talk about them. When Bill Gates is at Australian Open and he can't joke of which cannot play because he suspended due to COVID or whatever and in the next time he comes and he wins. He wins in front of Bill Gates. That's redemption for a lot of people that said, hey, dude, you took one of the grand slams away from this guy. He should have one or two other grand slams. So I think there's gotta be, you know, like, for example, you know, your podcast. Who listens to your podcast? You know who listens to your podcast? But you really don't know who listens to your podcast, Joe. Think about it. Like, okay, does LeBronless in your podcast? Is he listening right now when this goes live? And he's sitting there talking to his wife. What do you think about Joe says? Is Kyrie sending this text to LeBron and saying, LeBron, watch the clip from hour and 28 minutes to whatever and look what Joe and PPD are talking about? This is what I was telling you about. There's certain people that watch your podcast that can't tell anybody that they watch your podcasts, right? And those guys are mainstream type of people that watch the podcast. I don't obviously get the messages. But I'm sure celebrities text you and they say, or DM you and say, hey, I'm agreeing with you, but please don't tell anybody. We're on the same page, but I can't because it's going to risk my, that, that, that, that, that. Just been a few of those. First time I was on your podcast, I got called me from Hollywood. He says, hey, I just want to let you know the idea you were pitching to Joe, that, you know, what if he starts a social media company and you're like, I have no interest. I don't want to do that. I don't know if you remember the last time we talked about it. Look, well, I have the idea, like I said, man, you know, what you want to do, you need Joe, if what you want to do that. But the point is, when those guys flip, that's problematic.

You know, the podcast you do with Bill Burm, where you're like, I would do something really bad to this person. And Bill is like, Joe, relax. It's not real. It's just a video. It's another guy, you know, that clip.

That's right. And you went to a dark place, right? In your mind, you're like, oh, brother, I would go to jail for it. I don't know what you said. You'd go to jail. You said something. You're gonna go for the rest of your life. Okay. When I think about RFK, you know, what makes it very pulling with RFK is sometimes you're meeting people for the first interaction 2, 3, 4, 5, but I don't know if I'm fully there with this guy yet, but let me see, right? RFK, I had them on the podcast three years ago during COVID, we got a strike, we got another strike, they took it down, we got multiple strikes as of RFK three years ago. And I'm like, I don't know if this guy's a true believer. I don't know if he's just kind of saying this stuff, just to say this stuff, one night, we're in Dallas. Dallas is a conservative, you know, Texas is a conservative place. And Dallas, some would say more conservative than any other cities in Texas. Our kids are going to a Christian school. My wife comes to me and she says, babe, the kids got to get their vaccines. I said, what are you talking about, babe? We're going to a Christian school. You can get exemption. No, we can't. That's bullshit. Yeah, I'm telling you, you can. Our first two kids got all of them. Our third one, we're like, I don't know about that, okay? So my oldest is 11 972. So go to 2020, whatever 2023 year, so it's 8, you know, 6, you know, 4 and my last one is in Bourne, Brooklyn. And I'm like, babe, there's no way this is no babe. I'm telling you, they're telling me I need an exception, you know, I need to go out and get the vaccines. It's a bit, we're not doing that, babe. I text RFKates, 11 o'clock my time. I'm in Dallas. He's East Coast. I don't know where he's at at that time. I take hate. Robert question for you. I know it's late. Maybe you'll call me tomorrow. They're forcing our kids to get the vaccines here and our kids go to a private school and it's a private Christian school and we're kind of surprised. Is this true? 30 seconds later he calls me. I'm like. I was not expecting to call, right? I picked up the call, I'm like, babe, hey, Robert, it's my wife and I here right next to each other. Oh, hey, and he starts going, they can't do this. Let me see what I can do. He's three ways another lady and 45 minutes later. He's furious that they still have to take it. And he's still saying, I would think twice before I do something like this for your kid. We get off the phone at this point. It's midnight, okay? I sit and I said, there is no camera here. It's not like you're doing this to have a show where other people are going to be like, oh, this guy is this. That guy is this. I told you, I said, babe, this guy is 100% true believer, right? So his father, they kill us dead. They kill us uncle. How long are you going to spend time thinking about that? When he did the interview with News Nation and just said, Look, this drug thing is a real deal. At 28 years old, when my dad died, I dealt with 14 years of being addicted to drugs and he openly talked. I'm like, what a noble guy to talk the way he did, right? I called him, I said, just wanted you to know. Your town hall would, you know, News Nation was unbelievable. He says, man, brother, thank you for the call. I needed a Pa Pa Pa, and he goes his way. The true believers, I think, are going to wake up. But for some of these true believers, that potentially could have a contract with China, potentially could have their business being affected, they have to privately make a decision between one of two things. And this is what anybody else being around. They have to sit there and say, what's more important to investigating what they did to your kid, or to your mom, or to you, or your wife, or your buying over a contract that you're gonna get with China, or Hollywood, or this. What are you gonna do? That is a cowards play if you don't do anything about it. For the rest of your life, publicly you can act as tough as you want. You can go to all the parties you want. But every time you look at your mirror and you're in the car by yourself and you're shaving, you can be like, listen man, I know you're a coward. That battle, I think, in the next 6, 12, 24 months, I think some major names are going to come out and shock the shit out of a lot of people. I'm hopeful that that happens.

And what was the number I don't remember? 12,000 dollars, 10,000 dollars versus the other option to have was $50 or $100.

It's going to catch up. Last year, I said 2023 is going to be called the Europe Investigations. Everyone's going to get investigated. It's going to be left and right Investigations, whether it's the left or right all this stuff. Do you think, do you think we're eventually going to find out what Fauci really did? You think it's eventually going to come out while he's alive? I know we know. I know we know. I know we know. But I don't know if it's a mainstream enough yet where, you know, the average person who took it is saying, shit, I should have never taken a lot of people saying it. You think a lot of people are saying that right now?

Why are they not allowed about it?

Nope, not gonna do it. Yeah. So more guys like they tie Reese, I don't know if you saw tie Reese speaking out recently. No, I didn't see that. Tie Reese talked about the Satan and the dark side of Hollywood and what it's going on. And I think the other actor, it's a Tom Holland. I don't know if it's Tom Holland. One of the actors did a podcast with Jay Shetty. And he says, yeah, I don't want to be in Hollywood. I'm trying to distance myself as much as from Hollywood. Not in a bad way. I just don't want that life. I want a simple life. I want this. I want that, you know, more and more people are kind of starting to see, you know, the trend of what it's going on. But I still don't think Joe enough people are out for given a, you know, a conclusive evidence that we know for a fact, no, this is what happened, you know, this is what happened. I think it's like the JFK assassination, where it's what percentage of people you think the government was involved for JFK assassination, you know, 64%, 67% used to be 22% know the government didn't do it. No, like we're at what he called it, the restaurant we were at a minute ago, capital grill, and I see LBJ's picture there, right in front of restaurant, I'm like, I don't know, LBJ, because in capital growth, the way they do it is each capital growth you go to, they have paintings of people from that city. So I'm like, I don't know, I thought LBJ is from Dallas. So I Google, you know, capital, you know, LBJ is from Austin. Okay. So till today was he behind it? You know, was the Jack Ruby and this guy in the videos and this came out and that came out and who was being the Warren Commission? You know, what happened here? 67% 64% think it was the government being behind it. But we don't know 100%. You know, Fauci, yeah, I think as time goes by, more people are gonna say, man, this was a shit show. You guys are fraud. You heard millions of people. But is it gonna be public coming out telling us what happened?

And did you see what they said? Well, they said, oh, you know, there's no such thing as the 20 conversations were really about, you know, President Biden was asking about how the weather was. That's actually what they said. They said they were wondering how the weather was and, you know, the fact that he was asking about his oldest son and they were having conversations about that, the level of deflection and the guys like, no, 20 times we had a call and he knew we had business dealings.

He's a world renowned artist though. I mean, what are that?

Have we actually seen what they look like? No, I have not. But they actually look good.

They actually look decent. I don't think it's a bad art.

A lot of crazy people are good artists. But here's the question though, the question becomes.

You know, sometimes you read a book and you're like, that guy's a, you know, he used a ghost writer. He didn't write that book. The criticism. I mean, art of the deal. Somebody has wrote that book. Trump didn't write that book because it goes, is that a ghost artist? You know, like, can you imagine it's is Hunter hiding a hiring a artist who does it, but he's really doing it. And he's given that guy like five grand apart.

What do you call artists?

You see, you think that's what it is? You think in his mid-50s, he becomes a world-renowned artist?

Can you check? I don't know if he was an artist. I don't know. Listen, if we've never talked about it, maybe because he wasn't an artist, but here's the question. Do you know what percentage of art is fake? They don't make. Do you know what percentage of art is fake? What do you mean by fake? Meaning it's not real. It's not a real piece of art. It's fake. It's not AI-generated. Not AI-generated, but 70% of art. If you Google is what percentage of art sold is fraud, you would see a number 65 to 74% 65 to 70% something percent of art. It's fake.

So there was a guy who hires a local artist who draw a painting, who had a style of Picasso, like Picasso. This guy pays a guy like 500 bucks. Okay. Then he takes the art and he reaches out to Picasso and says, hey, Picasso, he's on his deathbed. The guy's not doing well. He's not healthy. He says, can I come? There's this kid that admires you. He wants to show you the art. to see if you think his work is good. He goes to Pablo, shows him the art. Pablo says, yeah, it's okay. So well, great. I'll go tell him that. But before I leave, do you mind if I take a picture with you? So they take a picture with him. Okay. Then Pablo dies. Now you have Pablo's last. Art didn't get this. So this is the kind of stuff that there is a lot of gamesmanship in art, collectible cards, right? For the longest time cards, people were selling fake cards. There were prints, reprints, some of them did a good job, some of them did them. People were falling for it. Or they would cut the edges with a, you know, scissor and the corners would get better because it was shitty before and against that a sell under for 500 bucks, not their selling for $1200. Instead of $20, you pay 1, 24, right? That happened in cards until PSA showed up or BVG or BGS or Beckett showed up. Now there's a grading service. Art is going through that as well. But for me, I don't know if they're such thing as, you know, ghost artist.

Yeah, the 400 million dollar one. Yeah, it's a wild story. It's a wild story. It's a wild story. Have you followed it all?

Somebody pay 400 million dollars for.

But somebody paid 100 million for prior to him. So it's not like he was the final one. Right. And originally, so for like $5,000 in 1940, I don't know the year, but it's a long time ago when it's sold for five or 10,000 dollars.

So you're a big art guy.

Is it anything you're into or?

Yeah, that's, that's, that's all my God. And I didn't know he says it's based on a pen. So I went close to it and you know, it's got a syringe in the bottom with the, you know, heroin and it's got the very interesting Is this a famous artist that her name is Melania Blackman?

That is incredible.

Yeah, and by the way, for the audience that's watching this, if you see it from 10 yards away, it looks like a complete different piece. Yeah. If you're close to it, it's different versus being 10 yards away from it. Yeah.

It's great. Would a pen?

Oh, so she does a video of it while she's going through it.

I wonder what the process is like how long it takes her to do that.

So are you like is your next move getting maybe like a nice hunter Biden piece in here?

I mean, I think they're a little overpriced. By the way, how would that interview be if he was on the podcast? I tried to get them. Did you? I tried to get them.

And it went on Kimmel and he talked about it.

That would be fun. That would be insane. Let me ask you 100 Biden or Trump, which one do you think gets more eyeballs?

Totally get it. No, you know, it's interesting. But from a fans perspective, you know, where you're kind of looking at numbers or fans says, which is going to be bigger or the other. But the talent, the artist, you don't think about it from that perspective, you know, for

Who was your most difficult, where you're doing the interviewer like that? I can't wait for this thing to finish.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing you and Trump together. Yeah, you keep pushing that. I think, okay, I'll tell you from my perspective, like on why you ought to consider it when you do do it. I'll just give you my, okay. Just so you know, he and I don't speak, you know, it's not something that is like, hey, his camps ain't going there and do this and do that. I've never interviewed the guy. So it's not like I'm, you know, lobbying for it. But I think if You know, when you think about sports or you think about fights, what is the boxing world if Frazier Ali never happens, right? What is the UFC world if DC John Jones doesn't happen or could be Connor doesn't happen? And they're both at their peak and those fights don't happen. We can go on with sports, you know, with baseball, with you know, interviews of Oprah Winfrey Michael Jackson, you know, you go look at, you know, some of these things that happen with Larry King or her and, you know, a bunch of different guys. He's a guy that's probably the most misunderstood by a side and a guy that... I think he's misunderstood more way. I think the media has really painted this guy to be evil. I had, you know, like, I like to talk to people. I fully disagree with. And I think they're delusional in certain areas to understand what makes you believe what you just said. I don't understand what you just said. Tell me how you could be that convinced your right. Jank was on the podcast yesterday. And Jank is convinced he's a better businessman than Trump. I mean, how could you say something? But he's convinced. And he says, no, he's a loser. Trump's a loser. I said, what do you mean he's a, there's only two things he's won in his life. I said, there's only two things he's won in his life. Yes. Yeah, there's only two things he's ever won in his life. And this, the second time, Jen, can I have an conversation together? Politically, we're on a very different side. I'm just trying to find out why do you think this way, right? And he says, yeah, only two things is a great marketer. I needed this. That's the first of all, 15 years. You know, apprentice. Good luck. God, no, he had great producers. I don't care if you have the greatest producers in the world. You can hire any producers Joe has and go try to match those numbers with podcasts. Yeah, because it's his producers. No, it's it's a lot of work 15 years book how many years as hard a deal does it? Well, yeah, but Pat imagine if you started with $430 million, you would have been rich in that him today. That's a $430 million. What's his $430 million? He got $430 million. You like counting in today's money versus well, you know, it's estimated this. Okay. He got a million. He got 14 million. No problem. He got family money. I'm willing to make the case. that you are more likely to screw up your life if your family gives you money. He says, what do you mean? I said, so I went and studied. I got four kids now. We're going, you know, we've done a state planning multiple times, but now I just sold the insurance company. So I have to sit there and see, what am I going to be doing with some of this money that came out of nowhere? Goldman, Morgan, a state planning. Do we do this? Do we do that? Let's go study. We put our research team. Go find out who did it right out of all the families. Okay. The Medici family, seven generation, they kept a wealth within the family. What are they doing? Great. Vanderbilt family, the money lasted one generation, maybe two. Like when you know Anderson Cooper's mom's like like, where Vanderbilt's? But you ain't yet nothing. You make your own money, right? Okay. You know the Rockefeller family, they're at three or four. Okay. We can go through all these families, most of them that get a lot of money, the kid becomes a wed. Drug addict, drug dealer, spoil, they don't work, they're not this, they're not that, okay. So let's just say he did get a money and he still doesn't do drugs and he doesn't do alcohol and his vice is women. And he works as an asset in business, and he makes it where he makes it to. Yeah, it's very easy to make the argument that actually if you do come with money, it's a harder life than a person that doesn't get money to have that driving ambition, not necessarily it's a harder life to have that fire, the ambition that you know, you got, you can't teach that. You either got it, you don't have it, right? Okay. So then we go into politics. So let me get the straight. This guy wins in New York. He becomes a billionaire. He wins on TV. He's one with women. He's partied with everybody. In 1988, he's doing an interview with Oprah Winfrey. And Oprah Winfrey says, you sound like you're going to run for office. No, I have no interest. But if I ever did, I'd win. Okay. Then he runs, everybody thinks it's just a marketing deal that he's doing. And then when he wins, I don't know if you remember when he walked down, he's like, even him and Sim Soft, they were kind of like surprised, babe, we just, we just won. And the day before the odds were if you bet $100, you'd have to bet $350 to $100 on Hillary, but if you bet $100, I think you went $550 with Trump or some number like that. The underdog won the greatest underdog of all time of politics, right? Okay. So let's fast forward 20 years from now. Let's go to 2043. We're doing a podcast. You're 75. Okay. I don't know if you're doing podcasts, but that'd be one hell of a podcast at 75. And Maybe we feel a little bit more comfortable coming out at that time because we're traditionalists, we're older generation, then maybe we're a little bit more careful about what people think about us right now. But at 75, we look back and we look at the list of podcasters who are the greatest podcasters of all time, Joe Rogan at the top. Goat, who's the greatest, this, this, this is that. And he's like, dude, but he never interviewed that guy Trump. I'm going to be like, what are you talking about? Wait, let me get to straight the greatest podcast of all time, never interview Trump at a time that he didn't do that. Dude, that's great. I don't believe it. Why not? It had to be personal. It had to be this. So to me, I think the guy that's going to interview him in a way that nobody else is going to interview you. You're going to ask some questions that you want to know about. Like, you know, hey, what happened with JFK? Are we really going to find out, can you commit to it? Are you going to come out with the files or no? So I really want to know. Last time you said you did, but you only give us 80% or we're going to get the other 20% aliens. What the hell is going on with these aliens? Are we going to know or no? Can you give us a glimpse? Do you think we should know? I'm not going to tell you anything about that. But what I'm saying, but what I'm saying is whatever angles you choose to take. Right. Okay. It's your show. You can get to take whatever angles you want to take. I think it'd be very weird. to look back. There's going to be no mainstream media 20 years from now. You know that I know that to look back and say Joe never interview Trump. That's kind of weird. So that's my pitch to you. I like what you're like weird. I don't know about that. I think I think, you know, I think one, why don't you interview? Why don't I interview? I think if I give you my assessment on why have you ever tried I'll give you my assessment of why think okay I think if he's him okay your here Joe everybody else is below you in this space not mainstream In mainstream, he'll do Tucker. He'll do, you know, making Kelly, whatever. I don't know if he's done making Keas and done it. He'll do Tucker. He'll do Brett Bear. He'll do Hannity. He'll do all that stuff. But in this lane, we're in. You have to do you first. Then comes everybody else. He can't do that. So I think we come after you come. Okay, I know this sounds crazy to you. Have you tried to get them on? We've talked about doing it. Multiple times it almost happened, but it never ended up happening. A lot of the times was in 2015, 2016, we were talking to Hope Hicks. This was early on. This is when we had like 100,000 subscribers. We're like a small show. No one knows who we are. We're not doing anything crazy yet. And, you know, 2015 or 2016 was a 2015, yeah, 2015, 2016. And we're talking to Hope, and I don't know if you remember Hope Hicks, you know, she was a rock star, but it was trying to figure out who this girl is, who's underground, dropped it, gorgeous, girl, great. I getting stuff done. And we're on a call. Yes, we're doing it. It's going to happen. The next day, he makes the comment about Muslims. We talked to her. She says, guys, We have so many requests from mainstream media, we just don't have the bandwidth right now. So that was the missed opportunity in 2015, 2016, based on what hope told us. Now, you know, in regards to us doing an interview, we would absolutely do an interview because I think our audience, we take a different angle with the guy as well. But if I'm his advisor, if I'm his advisor, I would advise him. You can't go to anybody else unless you go to Joe first. And I'm telling you from a perspective of if I'm as counsel, I would say you go to Joe, then you go XYZ. Everybody else is XYZ Joe. Your Joe. Everyone else is XYZ. Okay. And I think he knows that and I think The person in control right now is not him. It's you. Like the person in control with Hunter is Hunter's camp, not you. Do you know what I'm saying? Like the 100, no Joe, they get to whoever gets to say no they're in control. So, but from your perspective, what's going on in America today, I would say if you don't do the podcast with him, You're helping the establishment and you're helping a guy named Joseph Biden. I think you're helping that person. It's kind of weird. But indirectly in your mind, you're helping Joseph Biden win by not interviewing.

You brought up Trump multiple times.

I think you did. I could tell you, Joe, don't go live with this podcast. and keep it until you do Trump's interview. And then say, Pat told me don't do it and then they're going to release this even if it's three months from. I wouldn't care if you did that. Your guys support. I respect. I love the work you're doing. I'm talking to you as if the camera's not on right now. Don't go live with this. Go live a week after Trump. And we can data right now. We can show the phone. It's 312 August 2nd Wednesday. Okay, here's camera. If you don't go live with this until after Trump, I don't care. Well, I'm going to go live. I'm just saying to you. I'm from my perspective. I'm trying to tell you, I don't want you to think there is a, you know, my purpose of being here in Austin. I've been working on a gift for you for God knows how long, which at the end of the podcast, when you said we're done, I'll show you a couple of these gifts. One of them took us a while to get. I came here because, you know, as a middle eastern, you're opening up a comedy club, we talked, you know, you dreamed the way you build it, everybody, you know, tells me, I gotta go, I'm like, dude, I gotta go, but I don't wanna go empty handed. So I came here to give you gifts. And you said, if you're here, let's do podcast. And I said, no problem, let's do the podcast. So now we're here, you know, I'm gonna give you the gifts, all that stuff. No one's here with a motive. The motive is, as a friend, as a guy that's in the same space as you, and you're the Michael, you're the Brady of the Space. I'm encouraging Michael and Brady to consider this. That's it.

Jamie, what's the chances this thing's going live?

That's going to get.

If you love you. No, I don't want you to think. I don't want you to think there is motive and something that this person wants from you.

There's no question about that. Oh, I'm not and I said this to you in a text a year ago when you know I said so, but yeah, I do want to see it selfishly as a fan.

You know, and you ask people, have you read the book? How would I read it? It's a conspiracy theory. I don't want it. Why wouldn't I read a book by a guy like that? I said, if it's so wrong, if you go on Amazon, I don't know how many reviews it's got Jamie right now on Amazon, dead book. Fauci's books got 30,000 plus reviews. He sold a couple million copies. And it's not like he went through Simon and Schuster or Penguin or anything like that, right? And so yeah, so how come no one's investigating him? How come no one's questioning and how come no one's turning it apart? How come no one's sitting there saying when I first bought the book I think like six or seven hundred pages I'm like dude, I don't I don't have time to go through seven hundred page book right now. Then I made the mistake of start reading And it's five more pages, 10 more pages, 20 more pages. Yeah, 20, 23,000. It's insane.

We've got to kill us. Yeah, so, so, but by the way, what do you think about Mark Cuban? Because I know Mark responded and, you know, he said what you guys are doing is exactly what mainstream is doing.

I think the left, that's a good candidate for the left. If they want a guy like that, I think they'd be a good candidate for him. How much Joe have you looked at, you know, Larry Fink, so-row, state street, you know, Vanguard, Black Rock, how much have you looked at what they're doing and what their ties are?

Yeah. They're pretty much running everything.

S&P 500, you know, the number that 88% of the companies on S&P 500, 88% of them, the largest shareholder of those companies is either state street, black rock, or Vanguard, 88% of them, okay. And then you see their influence in defense contracts. Okay, so we went through with the Adam, like let me see if these guys this ESG Larry Fang Vanguard State Street, if they have any influence on military contract, defense contract. If you Google the largest shareholder for Raytheon. Three added a four, top shareholders of Raytheon, Black Rock State Street, and Vanguard. It could be top three would Raytheon, but I think it's three out of four. If you go look up General Dynamics, if you go look up Boeing, if you go look up, you know, Northrop Grumman, okay. And then you work backwards and you say, okay, how much money is that in what these guys are doing? You'll find our, you know, the amount of money we spent in our military, $744 billion on how much we're making from defense, but you'll see some numbers saying last year is 13% of our GDP, which is around $850 billion. That's more than the next 10 combined. We gave more money to Ukraine than Russia spent on their military last year. And when you look at these contracts, then you're like, okay, think is there. These guys are there. Okay, let's go look at Hollywood. Same thing you see there. Let's go look at pharmaceutical. Let's go look at this and you're like, wait a minute. These guys essentially have a monopoly. Well, how big is black rock? 10 trillion dollars. How big is 10 trillion dollars? Only two countries. have a bigger GDP than what black rock has, assets under management, US and China. That's how big black rock is. So then they went and they started getting all these other guys to sign on and say, hey, we want you to participate with the same thing as what would ESG. And they ended up having, I think that 31 signers, I think end of 2022, they got 60 something signers for total of $70 trillion of assets under management that they're controlling. So now they're controlling other places. And just recently, if you saw the rebuilding of Ukraine, did you see this contract? Rebuilden of Ukraine, $400 billion contract, black rock and chase is helping rebuild Ukraine. And then I go, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but what the hell is going on here? They have that much control. to get everybody to do what they want them to do? Yes. So Dylan Mulvaney, who cares? Why? Bud Light. How does that tie up? You got the DI, the HRC, the human rights, and all this stuff. And then you go even deeper, which is even a crazier part with, you know, the education, schools, like, you know, the biggest union we have in America. I think it's national education, something, NEA is the largest union. We have three million teachers are part of that union. and you look at that and you go deeper in that would open society and who's funding it, who's the money behind these organizations? Comes back, sorrows, sorrows, sorrows. How do you feel about the kind of power they have right now to fight against them? Because this isn't like a billionaire can come out and say I'm going to go up and up against these guys. They don't have a little bit of money. A billionaire to these guys is nothing. They got the kind of control that can make companies fire boards, they can replace CEOs, they can replace leaders if they don't like. They have their hands so much into it, where many times when people say they, the people of power, the people of power, I'm kind of like who are the people of power. Are you convinced these guys are really running the world or what do you think about what some of these bigger companies are doing like state street, Vanguard and BlackRock?

It's the question is how do you fight it? Like for example, the way we fight mainstream is by what? The show that we do. And we have to be patient. It's going to take two, three, four, five, ten, twenty years. Now you have some influence, right? Okay. We can fight. There is an actual strategy on how to fight that. No problem. You got a kid in school who's a bully. He's bigger than you. He keeps bullying you. You have a strategy on how to beat the guy. You take a year, digits or two years, this is that bomb. One fight he knows I'm never going to touch Joe again. Screw this thing. I'm not doing this normal, right? There is a play to it. When you have this much Joe 88% of SMP 500 companies. That is a form of a monopoly. If I'm a president, whether it's a Trump or whoever else goes out there and does it. Our monopoly law in America is 50%. They say 50%. Like if you tie and said, at what point is a 50%. And I've done calls with the FTC. Like we had one of our guys technology we were using. The FTC called and said, hey, we want to have a call with you because they're thinking about buying this other technology company and we're worried it's going to be a monopoly. So we have the call. Okay. At the end of the call with us with a bunch of different people, we said, we love their product. We love their product. That deal didn't end up happening. Okay, the monopoly law. Some of these guys are influencing it. But they say 50% is a monopoly law. Do you know how many people in America have an iPhone versus droid? You know what the numbers market shares in America with iPhones? I think it's like 60. 58%, 60%. That is already a monopoly. But who's knocking on the door of Apple, 10 cooks, and hey, 10. You got 58%. That's break in a monopoly law. Nobody is. I think someone's got a break apart. You know, in 1993, I don't know which Senator it was. These guys that were trying to get the defense contractors to be better at the pricing, what they were charging, because they were overcharging DOD and DOD people don't know what the hell is going on. They're like, yeah, okay, how much $68 million do it? $1.2 billion do it? I'm not going to over negotiate the money. They took 51 defense companies and they brought it down 25. It's only five companies right now when you want to buy anything. Think about that. So defense contractors is five. We know how these guys make money. Earlier, you know, I was asking you question, why do you think vaccine aid like pad? That's how they make their money, right? I mean, if you and I run a hotel, rooms are empty, we're not making money. We need people to stay in the rooms. If we run a hospital, we need people on the beds to make money. Yeah. If there's no people on the beds, we ain't making money. If these five contractors are fighting for $744 billion, what do they want more of? Wars. They want more people dying. You know the Papa John saying, better ingredients, better pizza, Papa John's. You know, these guys is more wars, more people dying, more profits, defense contractors, right? That's a valid concern that I have. because behind closed doors, this whole military industrial complex when you look at the numbers, whoever becomes the president, unfortunately. This guy's an anti-establishment president. Good. Unfortunately, if you're an anti-establishment president, everyone's going to come after you, especially these military defense contractors. So if a president got up and said, if I'm going to be the president, here's what we're going to be doing. We have to look at all the contracts. You can't overcharges. We have to open it up. You have to sell some of your companies. You have to let them be independent again. You have to do this. You have to let them go public, separate whatever way you've got to break them apart to have competition again. because we don't have that today. So that is a major concern where we say we have a commander in chief, but really the commander in chief is Larry Fink today. The guy running black rock is really the president of the United States. If we look at the kind of influence he's got in every industry, Joe. And he's like, wow, you know, I kind of feel bad. I'm ashamed that all the weaponization, the word, you know, ESG is being used and all this other stuff. And Elon tweeted about the ESG. I don't know if you remember when Elon tweeted about the ESG saying the S in ESG is satanic. Okay. So this is a part where even a Charlie Munger, who was Warren Buffett's partner says, look, I love Larry Fink. But I'm not interested in having an emperor. Some words like that he said about Larry Finch. So this mode of him, by the way, Larry Finch is an interesting guy because he majored in college political science. His aspirations was politics. He accidentally got into money. and he learned to trade and then he lost a hundred million dollars at thirty-six years old I think and and he teams up which sportsmen and they start this company and after a couple years ago five billion under management eight billion and thirty-two billion and then they have a difference because you know he wants to give equity and Jamie's you know sportsmen's like no name they separate but influence of politics you get into business your billionaire it's you sorrows So I'm extremely concerned about what these guys are up to. And we think our president is the most powerful person. That person is not. Because being a closer is going to be like, look, guys, let's relax. That guy's only going to be there for four to eight years. We're going to be all right. He'll be out. We're running the world. We're OK. We were running America. But now we're running the world. We control all the ETFs in America. We're controlling all this stuff. everyone has to come through us, and we can tell everybody what to do, because everybody fears not getting money from us, but being downgraded, a Tesla on ESG score is nothing, but a Philip Morris gets an A rating. How to hell the company that's Philip Morris has a better environmental social governance score, D-I, you know, not D-I, but the C-I that is scored, they give it over Tesla. So they can bully some of these guys, not Elon is vocal, Elon can stand up. Elon's not the guy that can be bullied. But some of these other guys that don't have 150 million followers and they don't own a company called Twitter. They may be billionaires. They may be 50 million dollar guy CEOs. But they got a sit and say, babe, if you say something, you're going to lose your 26 million dollar your salary. Just do what Larry tells you to do. Imagine if you had control of 88% of CEOs of S&P 500 companies, what kind of influence do you have? So to me, as a person when I ask you earlier, what are your top five things you would want somebody to run on? I think somebody's got to figure out a way to break those companies.

I do think it's possible, but I also think it's possible that that person who does it is risking a lot of things. There's a lot of risk, you know, for example, again, going back to Jank. I love hearing these types of arguments. It's like, oh, you know, I said, did you watch Oppenheimer? I did. I think you watch Oppenheimer. Oh, yeah, I'm so okay. So anyways, when you watch Oppenheimer, it's a three hour movie that could have done it in two hours. But if you're somebody that's interested in that stuff, you gotta watch it. So I had to go watch it. Okay. I said, what do you think about the ending? What he says to Einstein? I won't say what he said, but they had an Einstein and have a meeting at the end at this place. And how, look what we invented, right? He says, oh, there is no way I want the button to be controlled by Trump. No way, it would be a World War III. I said, okay. Fine. Jank, friendly conversation. We have four years of track record. of what happened under Trump. No wars. Peace. No one talked about ISIS. People forgot about ISIS. All we feared was ISIS. All of a sudden, we're not talking about ISIS. And the place was fine. He wanted people to stop dying, right? There's nothing going on on all these other places. Yeah, but look what he did with Edel, you know, you know, Sheldon, Adelsson, or, you know, the whole thing with $100 million, say, but he didn't take money from the establishment. He wasn't controlled by those guys. So, when you think about what is really going on and what could happen with it, I think it's going to be a lot of work, but I think it's a big risk on the person that decides to go after these guys. There's certain people you go after you better be ready for it. I think going after BlackRock's State Street and Vanguard's going to be formidable.

I think Vivek is a person who is making a lot of noise with that. He wrote a book specifically on ESG. Vivek did. And by the way, Vivek is a very interesting guy. Very interesting. 37, 38 years old. Working as ASA, family guy, billionaire, self-made, born here, smart guy, intelligent guy, well-spoken, respectful with the opponent when he's given his presentation. Down lemon is pushing him on, I said, look, done. Respectfully, I just disagree. Here's what we are. And he went from last place to getting past Tim Scott, Nikki Hayley, Mike Pence. He's passing all these guys up. There's only one person out. He's got a pass up. He's about to pass in Ohio. He's ahead of the census, by the way. And very soon he's going to pass up the census. So it's going to be him and Trump. So if Trump's not going to be doing the debate and those guys going to debate. Now imagine if Trump runs and Vivek is a VP. Trump may go Tim Scott, Trump may go, you know, many different angles to make gold. Trump and Vivek would be very interesting. Oh my God, it would be very, very hard to bear. So to answer your question, Vivek's gone after the ESG folks.

So, Schulz said something very interesting. Schulz says, look, these guys are driven by money. They're not going to do anything to destroy any economy, to lose their own money. Because they want that. I say, okay, so very good, Andrew Schulz. That's a very good point on what you're saying. Fine. So, you know, you know how sometimes Michael Jackson, you see the interview with them with kids. Oh, they're just sleeping in the bed. That's all it is. And we're just having a great time and we're storytelling and like, ever, I get it. It's a little weird. You've got to seven, eight-year-old, ten-year-old, just stepping in your bed and, you know, all this stuff. And it's a little bit fishy which you're talking about. It's not normal. Well, if you're in Hollywood and you've slept with as many people at these people sleep and it eventually you have to have other options because what else do you have to try new things? How many three cents have you had? How many this? How many that? So you start trying all these other things and sometimes these guys go to such and such place. It doesn't matter. It's kind of weird and fishy, right? And what you want to do? Great. Okay. So why these guys doing what they're doing? You have all the money in the world. You live in a hundred million dollar house. Not you. Larry fainting some of these guys. I'm not, I don't know if he lives in a hundred million dollar house. But you got some money. You're living a hundred million dollar. What else do you need? You got nice cars. Jamie Dams got a 900 million dollar art collection according to an article. It's a nice art collection, right? You go to all the nice restaurants, you meet prime ministers, you meet presidents, and maybe there comes a time when you're looking at a couple of these guys, their presidents and prime ministers, and you tell yourself, I'd be a better president than you, bro. How do hell am I not reading the country, or they tell themselves, you think you're a president? You're not a president, you work for me. What else is the motive? But that the point is control is what I'm saying. So the motive becomes control more than money. After you have all the money in the world, what's next? It's got to be controlled or a true vision. So a sorrows when you're talking ESG, that story is a complete different story. You ever heard sorrows as interview with 60 minutes where he says, I see myself as a god. Have you ever seen this interview? Or what he says? No. Really? He sees himself as a god. Oh my god, Jamie, do you mind pulling up the quote? I think it's, if you tap in LA times sorrows, god. If you type in LA Times, sorrows, God, when you hear what he says, it's like the second to the last paragraph all the way to the bottom. The guy asked a question, you know, about who he views himself as. I want to quote it properly, exactly what he says. Is there a video of him saying? Yeah, 60 minutes of video as well. So if you go all the way to the bottom, sort of, let's go. Go a little bit higher, go a little bit higher on the quote. Well, I mean, next to my friends, I'm going to join some of some, like, my friends. No, go a little higher. I think it's a little higher, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm kind of, sort of, sort of, sort of, sort of. keep going higher, keep going higher, keep going higher, keep going higher, keep going higher, try to be able to use a little higher. There's a part where he says, keep going, what year is this article by the way? It's an old article supposed to be 2004. That's the one. This is the one. Okay, right there. It seems that Soros believes he was annoyed and anointed by God. I fancied myself as some kind of a God. If truth be known, I carried some rather potent, macyanic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control otherwise they might get me in trouble. And then, on the next line, when asked by Britons, independent newspapers to elaborate on the passage horror sets, it is sort of a disease when you consider yourself some kind of a god. The creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it. Now, since I began to live it out.

That's right. Ask anybody who's from Hungary, bring up the name Soros, see what they say about him. This guy's manipulated the market currencies.

So he's like a bad guy in a movie, but he's being interviewed on 60 minutes. See, if you can find the interview, he's been an interview on 60 minutes and he says, so you're 14 years old. You're being used by Nazis to go find Jews, okay? And that must have had a big impact in your life because you're essentially helping people be found that they're going to kill. You know this. Did that impact you at all? His answer. No, not really. And he's got a spawn on his face. And the guy comes back. This is a famous interviewer from 60 minutes. You'll recognize the face on who it is. And he says, no, not really. Says, at that time, you know, When you're thinking about life, you're not thinking about things like this, et cetera, et cetera. When he's 14 years old, I think that 14 you are thinking, look, I'm having real conversations with my nine-year-old son. I was at a refugee camp at 10 to 12, Joe in Germany, with Czechs, Yugoslavians, Pakistanis, Afghanistan people. And I remember the conversations. I remember why they left this as the one.

No, if you can find if you go on Twitter, but best way to do it.

I mean, that totally makes sense. Yeah, that totally makes sense. No, this is not the one. It's not Charlie Rose. It's another person, Jamie. I'll find it here right now. So Rose asked not see here. Let me see if I can find this interview.

Experience anyways, there is a clip you if you keep looking forward there is a shorter version of it Where he's being asked so he's just kind of like downplanning. I've seen that. Yeah, just kind of downplanning. I'm like I want to really know this guy's story. So I watch his documentary and the documentary they made about him is a pro solo documentary. Okay, that's the one so it was scrub from the internet So if you can find it, I don't know if you can listen to it on the mic while we're doing a podcast to find it, you can't do that. Okay. So it's gonna be, yeah, dude, if you've seen it, you've seen it. He's being asked and he just kind of has a small on his face. Now, here's a guy that had 14 years old Russian soldiers raped his mom twice. So he's gone through some traumatic experiences. You know, and yeah, I'm gonna do it. The clip is insane if you can find the clip. There's a 30 second clip on Twitter that's out there. So this guy starts open society foundation. Do you know how much money is given to open society foundation in the last 30 years? 32 billion dollars, bro. 32 billion dollars is given to open society foundation. That's not a small money. He's worth 7 billion right now, which is passing down to his son, Alex, I believe. That's his name. 38-year-old guy, which is just like his father. Okay. So what is the problem with a Soros versus a Fink? They're both true believers. Like Soros is not doing this because he wants to be, you know, he already fancies himself as a God. This God-like tendency when it happens to some people who are your entire life, you know, when I'm doing this, I'm that, and you know, You know how you sometimes talk to some people and you're like, do you really believe you're to shit? You're not. You really believe you're better than everybody else. Like there's certain people that actually really believe that. You know how there's an insecurity of a typical good fighter or good athlete where, you know, is that it? This is it. You got it. That's the one. That's the one. You're in a human, there you go, you're perfect. This is it.

Everybody is going to respond to a life-changing event like that under the different way. to be desensitized the way you have from a situation like that. Yes, I mean, it's a little spooky to answer the way you do. People don't like it. It's funny. It's kind of like the market. No, no. People died is what they went through.

Exactly. Which by the way, that doesn't necessarily mean it's true or it's not. But this becomes the problem. This becomes a problem. People ask the question, so what do you think is wrong with America? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? What do you think is wrong with the world? If we go back, like, when I was 14, uh, man, I was, what years, a 30 years ago, 1990, two, 1993, who was a hero? Michael, you know, Jordan, sports, billionaires, life of the rich and famous, you know, guys like that, just a very innocent, that's a hero. You know, I've got one day when I grow up, I want to be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? Today, the hero is the victim. Today is the hero, the person that's going through a mutilation and the parents support their seven-year-old going through it, what a hero the way it is. You know, what a hero. You know, and the mother of the child is saying, why don't you just wait till this kid is 18 years old to do it? No, we're leaving the state of Florida because Florida's not allowed us to do what our kid wants to do. That's a hero today, Joe. A hero today is the person that dresses up as a syringe goes as a show, late night show, and is getting people to take the vaccine. That's a hero today. That's what they've painted as a hero today. And the longer these guys control who the hero is, kids are going to be confused. We're not recognizing the parent that is doing what he's doing with his kids and doing a hard job of raising his kids. It's not easy being married. Marriage is very hard. You and I are both married. It's not easy being married. It's a very hard job to be married. And you have kids. And you have self-interest. And you have your own selfish desires. And you want to be a good dad. And you want to be a good husband. And you want to do anything. That's not easy stuff to do. But guess what? Who are we turning into hero? Not the father that's taken his responsibilities in doing his part. That's a boring story. Let's not turn that person into hero. Let's not turn a person into hero that's fighting the establishment. That's not the hero. That's the villain. That's the villain. Joes the villain. You're not a villain. You're a hero. So unless if we get back to selling the dream. Like when I watch Ron, the scientists, I ask myself, sell the dream. Sell me America. Sell me why this is the greatest country in the world. We're no longer selling the dream. We're not selling the business. It's nightmare. It's confusion. It's gaslighting. It's dividing. And selling people into heroes that are not necessarily heroes. George Soros. To see what he's done with his life and what he's done with his money right now, what he's investing it. This guy wants to change the way a lot of things are being done. He wants to go from America as long as I have my money and I got influence around the world versus seeing what America's doing. That's not a good thing for me. If you study Hitler, and I don't know if you've read my comp for not or if you've gone through it or not, the translation in English, You see how this guy used to go to local debates, just to watch. He'd go to local stuff that was going on smaller than things local that they're voting for. You know, his guy was like a big architecture guy, he liked buildings, he liked stuff like that. And you kind of like, okay, so what was this guy's motive? What was he doing? You know, what was he getting rid of? He realized later on, you know, people can't believe in God. That's a big enemy, Joe. Yeah, and I'm not debating Christianity or religion specifically like a God. We can't recognize people that believe in God. That's risky. You know, we can't. We can't really be doing that because if people believe in God, they believe futures bright. You know, people who have faith are typically like, I have faith. What is a main basis of faith? I think everything's going to work out. No, I don't want you to think that. I want you to think it's the end of the world. Climate change is coming. I don't want you to think everything's going to work out. I want you to think the future is scary and you need us and we're here to save you. That's kind of how they're pitching their savior mindset. God like fancy myself as a sort of a God and now that it's become reality and I'm experiencing it. So these are not people that are sitting there saying, well, that guy keeps talking about God a little bit too much man. That's not good. We don't need people to believe in God. We need people to believe in government. That's a scary thought. So, for me, I think, you know, when we have the debate with religion, it's a great debate to have, you know, with Muslims or, you know, seven day or Scientology, there was a year, 2003, I was an atheist or 24, 25 years of my life, and I'm going out, they're trying to find out what's really going on. I'd go read Dynetics, I'd go read all this stuff on, you know, LDS, and, you know, Gordon B. Hinkley, or Clions, you know, all these guys, you're reading on, okay, okay, okay, I see this, I see this year. There's a place for religion debate. Let's do that, no problem. But for me, I want as many people around me to try to exercise whatever faith they're going, whether you're a Christian Catholic, you know, you're LDS, you're this, you're that I'm a non-denominational Christian today, right? We need more people to have faith. to see that future looks bright. Doesn't mean we don't need to be skeptical. Doesn't mean we don't need to be, you know, only the paranoid survive. That's a quality and business you need. But I think there's a bit of a confusion right now. Well, who we're turning into heroes? And a more we do that, we don't know who we want to be when we grow up. Who do you want to be when we grow up? Shit, I don't know. People who bitch a lot, line a lot, cry a lot, do these TikTok videos of eating, doing all this stuff. They're getting all their getting famous. That's what I'm going to be. Those are clowns. That's not a hero, but that's what we're turning into heroes.

ESG factors in it that they get to dictate. You have to, you know, do the LGBT. Explain ESG to people. Okay. So, for example, Hollywood, what's Hollywood going through right now? Oscars came out. I don't know if you saw the structure on Oscars. Have you seen what it is to be nominated for an Oscar today? Yeah. That you have to have a portion of your actors be either disabled, black, part of the LGBTQ, the workers, behind closed doors. That are all the stuff that they have to be. part of the the the sect to get funding or to be nominated and all that stuff who gives a shit that I have to do that but people do to get a high score if you get a high score you get more money you get rated better your how do they get more money okay so if if I may if I may a state street or Vanguard or XYZ company okay The more you're growing, you're going to need to raise capital. You're going to need people to invest into your company. Whether you're going public or it's private or you're raising debt, there's only a few companies that are behemoths to go and get money from those guys. If you want money from those guys, you have to follow their guidelines. If you don't have a high ESG score, D.I. score, they're simply not interested in your company.

Why do I think they're implementing this? In regards to, in regards to what? Why do you think they're doing, you know, the indoctrination, the growing data?

I control what you want to do. I control, I dictate the terms. You know, I dictate the terms on what you need to do. Like even when they talk about environmental, most of these companies are not doing anything to improve the environment. They use it as a word doing this because climate changes are real crisis. And we're being noble because we're worried about the future. But then behind closed doors, that's not what's shown up. You know, we're just fighting after a sport when we were selling our insurance company. I'll never forget this. We're meeting with a bunch of buyers. Now, the company we built insurance, the average agent was a 56-year-old white male. That was the life insurance industry. Think about a life insurance agent. What does that person look like? They don't look like this. Right? Okay. So on America was 56 year old white male. Well, I said I'm going to go complete different angle. When we sold the insurance company, our average agent was a 34 year old Hispanic female. So I'm going and talking to buyers. One of the buyers we talked to, they're like, hey, we're having a hard time recruiting African Americans and Hispanics to want to come work for companies like ours. We need it because we need to increase our DI score. What's your DI score? We'll show our DI score. These are your numbers. Yeah, you see them talking to each other when we step out. Well, you know, I think our board will like to learn a little bit more because this will be a great partnership for us because this can help us with our DI score. You shouldn't bias because we're diverse. You should bias because we're good investment. So the decision making process is being diluted simply based on pleasing the people at the top that are given these guys a score. Does that make sense? Yeah. So versus go produce a better product, be more competitive, let the guys compete in the free market place, and let's see who wins. And how long ago did this get implemented? This is not something that's been around for a long time. Yes, she's a recent thing that they started. They originally started with something called a PRI, which I want to say, if you can type in ESGPRI, I think it's 2006, I want to say. when they started off with this. And then gradually there is the HRC organization that was now given E, C-I scores, and then they started given D-I scores, but it started off with a 2006 PRI, some of this stuff. And if you go a little bit further back, they started long time ago by another person who wanted to kind of indoctrinate businesses, control businesses, they didn't like businesses that were having as much power as they were having, but it's recently that's turned into what it is today, where people are actually concerned about their scores.

Yes. So think about, you know, Equifax Transunion and, you know, what's the last one I'm forgetting one of them? Equifax Transunion, who's the third one that does your credit score? Equifax Transunion, there's one other one that does it, right? When you want to buy a house, if you got a credit score of 600, What are you going to do? You're not going to get that house. You're not going to get the best rate you want, right? Shopeal, I got to increase my five to square one. You come back a year from that two years from now. Let's get a pre-approval, rather, letter based on your credit is improved and all this. Okay, that's okay because we're getting responsible people to buy a house. No problem. I'll make my car payment. I'll do all this other stuff. But imagine if now they say, Joe, you don't have enough gay friends. You don't have enough game employees. You don't have enough black employees. You know, you don't have enough this. You don't have enough that. Then you're sitting there saying, Guy, I'm just running a company. I'm hiring whoever's qualified. I want my job. It could be anybody. That's qualified. You're no longer making decisions based on what's best for your company. You're making decisions because you want to get that loan. You want to raise that capital. You want to raise that money. And the amount of control, I can tell you a bunch of different stats on what things in Wall Street and what Vanguard, what these guys are doing, they have a lot of power in America today.

100%. I'm convinced in that site, absolutely. And they got a lot. And by the way, it's not one industry. Every industry, like you imagine, in every industry, there's a power player. Right. Media was Robert Murdock. If you watch Robert Murdock's, what are your own? They own MarketWatch.com. Most people don't know that. That's under NewsCorp. You know, Fox News, Rupert Murdoch owns Wall Street Journal. Most people don't know that. That's owned by NewsCorp, same company that owns Fox News. So, okay, guess what, Rupert is a power player in the media space? Good for you. Ted Turner is a power player in the media space until he sold the CNN time. We're not all that stuff. Up into that, Ted Warner was, Ted Turner was the guy, right? He ran for president one time. He was the guy, right? So he bought the Hawks. He bought the Falcons. I think he owned the, you know, Hawks out one by healing all these things. You know, he bought channels. He bought this. He bought that. He was the guy. Great. No problem. But imagine now there's power players that control 50 industries. That's a real power player. It's not a musk who almost Tesla is worth 200 billion dollars. And, you know, is doing his businesses and I'm going to make Twitter into the next WeChat and it's going to be worth the trillion dollars. That's great. These guys collectively, they're sitting on 70 trillion dollars of power. That's why you long tweeted on and said Satanic is what the essence for an ESG. So, it's no longer power player by industry. It's power player of all industries. 88% of S&P 500 company. One of those three companies is the largest shareholder.

That's crazy. Yeah. So, it's like a form of monopoly. That's not illegal. It's a form of monopoly that's not illegal. Wow. Somehow, it's got to break that apart. And it's going to be The person to do that's got to be a right guy to do that.

I think the more you talk, like what did you do, Joe? The more you talk about a topic, the more everybody says, that can't be true. And then what do we do? Oh shit, I've remacked an India up up up. So what? Hydrox, what are you talking about? So why is this such a big deal? Wait, and then you go four hours one night to one o'clock in the morning, kids are asleep, and we will go on through. Don't worry, we'll do that. Look, what is going on here, right? Okay. So, the more we talk about this, the more people are going to go do this, and they're going to say, oh, shit, this is actually happening. And then the more people talk about it, then we, the people, have been fooled to not realize we have the power. Guys like you have validated in the last three years that we do have the power. And if we do our research and question things the right way respectful way, people have to respond. Eventually they're cornered. This is not something a lot of people have talked about. It's not something a lot of people are looking at.

It's sold and packaged so well, Joe. It's packaged so well. Yeah. Half the battle is how you package your message, right? Yeah. If you think about Trump's packaging with his message, great message, he beat Hillary. Right? The Santa's is packaging of his message? It's not packaged well. Right? Yeah, I think this is a, um, it's one of the things we have to be concerned about. We got to recognize who the heroes are. We got to address the drug issue that we're having with the borders. We got to kind of see what's going on with these monopolies that no one's looking at, like no one's looking at this stuff. And you know, what is a monopoly? Are we really enforcing our monopoly on? Yeah, I don't know if we are. There's a reason why we have the monopoly loss, so the big I cannot bully the other guy, right? Right. When they pitch stuff like we need to raise the minimum wage, the bigger companies love it when you do that. Trust me, the big companies love it when they raise minimum. Amazon loves it. Walmart loves it when you raise minimum wage. Keep saying raise minimum wage. They don't have a prime going from 13 bucks to 15 bucks to 20 bucks. They could care less if you keep doing that. Because they're going to raise their margins by 20% or whatever it is and make the money back on the back end. They're not dumb. You're still going to buy it. We're still going to buy it. We don't have a choice. But it's going to put that guy across the street out of business. So the more small businesses go out of business and fewer small businesses we have, the more these big companies are controlling us. Like you know, this whole thing with banks going out of business and chase by a couple of them and these guys bought a couple of them. This is helping the bigger guys. Jamie Diamond sitting there saying, oh, you know what? Let's keep raising and we have to do the responsible thing. Because the bigger guys get to buy the small community banks or the regional banks, this favors them. So this concept about, you know, the bigger guys don't want to raise the minimum wage. It's the small business owner that doesn't want to raise the minimum wage. That's the guy in Kansas who cannot afford it. So you need to leave that guy alone. They need to control New York, like making 15 bucks in New York to it. You don't have a life. So I understand New York's minimum wage has got to be different. But New York's minimum wage has got nothing to do with Kansas. It's got nothing to do with Oklahoma. It's got nothing to do with North Dakota. Right? It's got nothing to do with some of these places that can't afford to have a number like that happen. But the Walmart's, the Amazon's, the bigger guys are like, oh yeah, yeah. Well, you know what Bernie Sanders? You make a lot of sense. We're going to do the noble thing. And moving forward, Amazon, we're going to put our minimum wage at 15 bucks. That guy's working at Joey's liquor store, Joey's market across the street that's been there for 72 years, passed down in three generations. He goes to Joey and says, hey, listen, bro, I know you're Joey to third. I got to go work at Amazon. They're offering 15 bucks an hour. And I'm only 18 years old. I'm only 19 years old, because you're only off from me, 12, 20. Now I get that guy's going to so I'll go to 15 bucks as well. Totally get it with that guy gets a richer benefit. Now he has a razor prices. Now families go to Amazon. So capitalism, if we eliminate a lot of these small business owners, man, it's a very problematic issue. They get to raise their prices whatever they want to raise it to.

Think about most restaurants have a story. You know, you go to a restaurant, you know, you're like, so, how do you guys start this place? How many of these guys do you? Oh, we have three of them. How did it get started? Guy name, you know, Louis started at 48 years ago and his son did this and now his, you know, grandson is running it. Awesome. Stair can dream bro. It's awesome. Yeah. Sun is I'm making 200 grand a year and it's doing okay for himself and restaurant is his boom 48 years gone. The average person is like yeah, it's just a restaurant. You just not a big deal. That family's legacy that that busted his ass in the 60s or the 70s to pass this down to his son and his grandson. That guy's dream is done. You know how we go to funerals and you're sitting there saying Oh man, that guy's crying pretty bad. You know, you lost his mom and I don't want to go through this. One day's go look at that guy. He lost his wife or he didn't. You cry, right? It is just as emotional to me when a small business that's ran by regular family. They've kept it in. They've made their own money. They didn't rely on the government. They didn't ask for handouts. They busted their asses. Restaurant is a tough business. You lost your business. That's a funeral. There's a lot of funerals that we had. All those stories, all the going of bed, your laying next to your wife and your same babe. You know what I'm watching about Gary? What babe? I think he's gonna run the restaurant one day. And wife says, babe, I feel it as well. I'm so happy. It's gonna be so great. That's Gary, that's the father and the mother's dream. They've put so much time into it. In our community, there's a family. They bought three houses, right? And a mom and dad started this medical company and they grew. They got 7,000 employees today. And now both sons are living next to them. Each son has four kids. And you're going to their house, tradition. Here's what we do. Two days, Mondays that are there. Great story. I look at the mom and dad, and you see mom and dad, the founders are always a little bit rougher, because they're the ones that pay the price. You can always feel, you know, there's a certain dynamic to it. So, yeah, I don't know. I think, you know, to me a Trump candidate, I really wanted the census to play ball. I really was, when I read his book, I'm like, okay, this guy's gonna come out now. So now when he came out with his book, he didn't. I think they missed the mark. We moved to Florida because of the census as well. We moved to Florida 4. We were living in LA and I was gonna move the media company to potentially new portbeats because I like new portbeats. We were looking at Greenwich to be right outside of New York so we can recruit talent. We looked at Nashville, we thought about staying in Dallas, and we thought about Tampa, and then all of a sudden I'm like, okay, the way COVID is going, babe, we're going to Florida. We went and rented a house Christmas in Florida, then I said we're moving in Florida, because of the scent is. But I think Trump is a guy that I think he's the only guy that's showing him an RFK that are willing to go up against some of these guys. But our RFK's got to go through a guy named Joe. and these establishment Democrats, there's no way they're going to give the platform to him.

Him? Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. My idea would have been, you know, like I say, if you can't run as a third party, apparently he can't now if they don't do it, he can't go back and run as a third party. I think you have to run as a third party from day one, you know. Do I think they can stop it? If Joe steps out, or if K can get in, Like if Joe steps out of new some comes in, they have to debate. Like imagine new some RFK debate. Dude, that's sick. Don't you want to see that? Yeah. I'd love to see that, right? But Joe has to step out for them to fight forward. So that has to happen. I don't know if that's going to be happening.

He's gone. Joe's not there anymore. You think mainstream's turned on him yet or not fully yet.

Yeah. Well, let's just don't know what they do. But they got to move quickly. Yeah. If that's the plan, then it's August of 2020.

No. And you know when Trump ran in 15, you know when he announced it was on his birthday. Whatever his birthday is. I think he's born on June 12th or June 14th. He announced on June 12th or June 4th. One of those two days is his birthday, right when he announced. Okay. July August. You guys kind of got to figure out what you're going to be doing because the longer you go and you say it ain't going to be, you know, Joe? Yeah. They're not, they're not helping themselves because it's just helping RFK. Right. So the longer thems go, let you say their play is to get rid of Joe. Is Newsom going to get enough playing time to create a momentum to be the guy? I don't know. You know, you know what I'm asking like, I think he needs momentum to to bring it up. I think it's gonna take a minute.

I think it's gonna take a minute. So I want to give you the gifts I got you, bro. I want to give you the gifts that I got you here. So for me, I got five of them. Let me see if all five of them are here. That's a lot. Yeah, let me see if I got one of them. that he brings the other one as well.

Sam, if you're watching, it's a small box. Yeah, if you can bring that one and that'd be great. First one. Okay, so I'm betting myself, I think you're gonna love one of them. I hope it goes in your comedy club. Okay. I think the other ones you're going to be like whatever because you could buy it yourself. But then the other two, I think one of them may make it on the wall. It's a competition because you got like a hundred pieces sitting around that's not on the wall. Okay. So we'll see what's going to happen. First of all, so you're a Jimmy Hendrix guy, right? I think you're a Jimmy Hendrix guy. Perfect. I got this, we looked up to see what we can do with Jimmy Hendrix. Jimmy Hendrix that a month-long that a special Jimmy Hendrix penned that while you're sitting here, writing stuff, I know you're probably not a big guy that you care about having a fancy pen or not. But we got you the special limited edition month-long pen with Jimmy Hendrix. I hope you like it. So that's one, too. I think when I think about personalities that kind of push the envelope a little bit, presidents in the past that were anti-establishment people that pushed the envelope. One of the names you think about, you think about a guy named Andrew Jackson. I, I, this took me a minute to find this, but this is a letter written by Andrew Jackson president signed at the bottom with COA and he is known as the first ever anti-establishment president minus the founding fathers. So I hope you like this. This represents that aspect of you. That's guys. So that's this part. Now, next one. You've gone down the rabbit hole with John of Kennedy assassination. What happened there? What happened to him all this other stuff? Let me see what we can find with this. This took us a minute to find as well. This piece, Joe, is the actual... This is the actual Warren Commission letter. Okay. Signed by... Gerald Ford. Okay, the letter to the right is the Warren Commission. Then you have the autograph of Jack Ruby. Then you get the autograph of Lee Harvey Oswald and you got the autograph of John of Kennedy.

Okay. So I hope you like this with the letter. See all of it. Okay. And then the last one, I'm convinced this is the one that I think you're going to like a lot.

Last one took us a minute to find. Okay, I put it here if you don't mind.

This one was work, bro. I hope you like it. Okay. Who's one of your favorite comedians of all time?

Who else? Lenny Bruce? Okay. So, I called around. And I spoke to Lenny Bruce's daughter, Kitty. Okay. I don't know who she is or not. So I spoke through, yeah. And I said, guys, I want to find something special for Joe that's tied with Lenny Bruce. So you open up a comedy shop. This is with the, the what do you call it when you're doing the, is it a stand? Mike's stand? Mike's stand. Okay. When he would go on the road, he had a Mike's stand and a Mike that he would use. I think this is from 1959. This is the original mic. Let me Bruce used. Okay.

So now if you don't want to do with that way you want to put the stand we got the stand there as well.

So, you know, for me when I was, you know, we were wanted to come down sooner. That was the missing piece. That's the one I wanted to get for you. Wow. And I said, let's wait till we get that and then come and present it to him.

Wow. I know for a guy like you, Joe, it takes, you know, when people give me gifts, it's kind of hard to get a gift for somebody that they're going to have a reaction to because you can buy all this stuff yourself. The hard thing is finding it.

That's incredible. Yeah. So by the way, there's a letters, handwritten letters by him. How he took notes to prepare what his jokes. We got all that stuff in the back as well. Sam will give it to you later on. Wow.

Any time, brother. So.

It's a Christmas. I got that. For him, by the way, my book is coming out in December. I mean, you can't buy the book right now. My book comes out in December 5th. But they send me the first copy of the book. It's titled, Choose Your Enemies wisely. And it's not an easy thing to choose your enemies wisely. Most people choose the wrong enemies. Portfolio send us the first copy of choose your enemies wisely and my first copy they gave to me. I'm given to you brother. Thank you. Again, people can't buy till December 5th, but these are gifts from us to you. You're a very important guy. You're your super likable guy when I'm talking to your guys and I said, so how's it feel working in your man? He says man. Joe's a coolest guy to work for. We love Joe. Everybody loves you. You know, for what you've been able to do the last few years. I got a lot of respect for you. There's a level of admiration for you. There's true love for you. There's true protection for you. I have a natural tendency of protecting people that I think are needed to be protected. You don't need any protection when it comes into a street fight. I can't protect you in a street fight, bro. That's you. You know how to fight and take care of yourself. But I think there's got to be people that fight in different ways. Their weapon is a different weapon. My weapon is worth and my weapon is the way I process issues. You've got a guy here that is going to be fighting for you for a long time, bro.

I appreciate that.