Transcript for #348 - Steven Rinella, Bryan Callen, Cam Edwards
SPEAKER_02
00:02 - 00:06
Mr. Renella. What's up, brother? How are you, man? Good to see you again.
SPEAKER_03
00:06 - 00:07
Where's my bear me?
SPEAKER_02
00:07 - 00:24
You know, we have all gone through a very unique and spectacular experience together. You do it on a regular basis, but all of us, like doing that together, I'll never forget that. I'll never forget that trip for the rest of my life. We had a great fucking time.
SPEAKER_03
00:24 - 00:30
I watched the episodes twice. And I love them. And I thought it was shot really well. I thought the music was amazing. I thought it was amazing.
SPEAKER_00
00:30 - 00:34
It turns into blood brothers. Yeah, to be out the field.
SPEAKER_02
00:34 - 01:00
No doubt. Yeah, it's a totally different. Yeah, and see how people respond to like waking up in the fucking freezing cold and, you know, nobody benched out. Everybody kept it together. No way. That's important. You could take some fucking set through green type characters with, yeah, on the road. Sorry, Seth Green. I don't know why I picked on you. How about me? How about Joe Rogan took care? Why? That doesn't make sense because I did it. But I mean, there's a lot of people out there. Sorry, Seth. I have no reason to take shots at you.
SPEAKER_03
01:00 - 01:59
Did you know? Did I tell you that what they anthropology did that study about how men who show up in a bar all done up in jewelry? and why they get beaten up traditionally or why. Why there was so much like actual violent pressure for men to actually conform to a haircut and to a look like the joke is men. They have two criteria for how they dress. They don't want to look like a pussy and they want to be comfortable. And they mainly don't want to bring attention themselves. Like, you don't see a guy unless you wear a net net with Tarty shirt, but you know, those guys are usually jacked and ready. But for the most part, men will wear things that are like, you know, blues and grace and, you know, simple stuff. Because this, the sense of pause was talking about the idea that if you, it goes back to how men used to hunt in groups. And if a man if you guys were all set we're gonna go hunting and also I show up in a bunch of sparkly shit and bangles. They're making a bunch of noise You guys can be like you're gonna spook the fucking deer they can see it a mile away and you're making like hanging what I like these and yeah, I don't buy this no
SPEAKER_02
01:59 - 02:01
I don't know that's getting shut down son.
SPEAKER_00
02:01 - 02:09
I want to hear a point of view on it because look at how I mean look at the way that a lot of of of indigenous hunters today still adorn themselves.
SPEAKER_03
02:09 - 02:14
Yes, but they don't they don't for not not when they go hunting, right? Isn't that for?
SPEAKER_00
02:14 - 02:34
For additional dancing stuff, but not all like you might go in you might go to hunt or go in the battle with like face paint or elaborate jewelry or there's a matter of so many accounts of like command she would wear wedding vails and stuff that they gather during raids and just crazy. Well, I would always wear a wedding veil. I think that's a wedding veil.
SPEAKER_03
02:34 - 02:37
I don't want to fear to see my expression change.
SPEAKER_00
02:37 - 03:16
But you're saying that I contested and I don't mean I don't mean the accurate on the final. But it reminds you of something similar that's equally interesting and it's that like I was reading this book on human evolution and he was arguing like how could it every would be beneficial to be a daredevil right to me like what is the selective advantage to being a daredevil and this guy argues that it's you're saying to a man is saying to females you're like I'm so ridiculously fit you know that I can do something so stupid and still thrive, and still breed you.
SPEAKER_01
03:16 - 03:18
You know, like that's how I feel.
SPEAKER_02
03:18 - 03:37
I don't think men get to shit like wing suits. You know, how about fighting bulls? I don't think men with those bulls. Yeah, but fighting bulls is kind of a scam, because there's a lot of other dudes involved. Like it's not just to matter during the bull. There's other dudes stab in the bull. They put poison darts into the bulls. They do a lot of creepy shit.
SPEAKER_01
03:37 - 03:38
Is that crazy?
SPEAKER_02
03:38 - 04:20
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's other dudes to stab the bull. Yeah, the pickadillos. Yeah, but when you're in a fucking wing suit, you're in a wing suit, okay? Those crazy assholes that jump off those mountains and they're going 100 miles an hour in those suits. Have you seen them fly through cities like through the middle of buildings? No. Dude, there's a guy who jumps out of a plane in fucking Brazil, okay? Jump out of a plane and does this wing suit shit and goes flying over to the city. through buildings. There's a gap in between these two buildings. And he shoots through these two buildings before he pulls this parachute in land. Is he flat? No, he's going to slide. He's just gliding. It is, it hurts your head when you're watching it.
SPEAKER_03
04:20 - 04:23
It's just like, shit, what is it going to fucking crash on the die? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
04:23 - 04:29
I'm how much can you really totally control it? I don't know. I mean, I don't know how much you can really steer it.
SPEAKER_01
04:29 - 04:29
I guess I guess.
SPEAKER_02
04:29 - 04:44
This guy, he can see you get this. Are you kidding? Yeah, that's him and the wingsuit. This is the camera. Oh my god. Oh Jesus Christ. No. Yeah, look at this.
SPEAKER_01
04:44 - 04:45
Are you kidding me?
SPEAKER_02
04:45 - 04:47
By the way, it was Misty. Okay, it was.
SPEAKER_01
04:47 - 04:52
Oh, that guy's a badass. Oh, that guy's a badass. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that.
SPEAKER_03
04:52 - 04:53
Look at that.
SPEAKER_06
04:53 - 04:55
Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that.
SPEAKER_03
04:55 - 05:09
Look at that. Well, Red Bull spots in the highest.
SPEAKER_06
05:09 - 05:16
Imagine they had to calculate when the first flight takes off. So you know, Peter in the air by a fucking plane going five on a mile an hour.
SPEAKER_02
05:31 - 08:00
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SPEAKER_00
08:23 - 08:34
I land and in a woman is like, I'm so impressed by that. I'd like to go out with you for drinks tonight. It would demonstrate that there's a selective advantage there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
08:34 - 09:09
There's a selective advantage in being an irritable. Yeah, there's definitely that totally makes sense. Evolutionarily. And it also makes sense that we have a disdain for people that are like wearing jewelry and dressing flashy and tracking a lot of attention to ourselves. Because classically, that person who like aims to stand out so strongly ruins everything. They get too loud. They turn things into fights. You know, that the person is like really loud and flamboyant. And they usually, it's just a natural instinct. It's the feeling you get is like, oh, look at this fucking guy. Like, what is this guy going to bring to the party?
SPEAKER_00
09:09 - 09:11
Like, what is it? He's not a team player.
SPEAKER_02
09:11 - 09:16
He's not a team player. He's some crazy asshole with jewelry on. Right. What's he doing?
SPEAKER_03
09:16 - 09:17
Why is he like Chris Angel?
SPEAKER_02
09:17 - 09:18
Why's he wearing a flag?
SPEAKER_03
09:18 - 09:34
I got to get annoyed at Chris Angel because he's too, he's too into his body and he's too into his brim jeans. I'm always like, I don't know. I'm sure I'd like him but when I see him I'm like punch that guy in the face man. I'm talking about the fact that he's really muscular. It's kind of a good looking guy. So I'm a little jealous of him at the same time. I'm like, I don't know either. Maybe I'm a little attracted.
SPEAKER_02
09:34 - 09:58
That's probably one of the best ways to get girls ever to be a beautiful magician. Oh, he's awesome. Beautiful. He's got the attention with a great body. He's great. He's got a lovely guy. Yeah, it's like there's an evolutionary advantage in that way. Are you kidding? They must be right. I feel that they're much to be able to trick that many people into thinking that you're mysterious. He's awesome. I mean what are you doing? I mean every magician has got damn trickster. That's all they're doing. They're just tricking you.
SPEAKER_03
09:58 - 10:04
I'm friends pretty good very good friends with David Blaine. Yeah. Women love him. Love him.
SPEAKER_02
10:04 - 10:09
I'm good friends with Pendulette and women love him. How about that? That's even more impressive.
SPEAKER_03
10:09 - 10:14
That's impressive because Dave's a good looking guy. He's got a mystery and you know, tall and dark and stuff.
SPEAKER_02
10:14 - 10:19
Pangeal, that's a bad one. That would tell you about this. Is that Penn Lake? Pentellum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
10:19 - 10:19
He's awesome.
SPEAKER_03
10:19 - 10:23
David Lann, who tried to fight Mike Tyson. Well, that's our time story.
SPEAKER_02
10:23 - 10:24
Try to fight Mike.
SPEAKER_03
10:24 - 12:04
I run into David on the street and he's he's just jacked. I mean, he felt like me, but he was just so muscular. I was like, Dave, what are you doing? He goes, I was training for eight months to fight Mike Tyson. And when he went to a trainer, it might have been Teddy Atlas something. He goes, I want to fight Mike Tyson. And I think I think it was Teddy. I'm sorry, David, if you know, someone like that, and he goes, the trainer goes, Well, what's the trick and David said nothing I just want to last three rounds and the train goes not in this lifetime and it goes no, but I think if I train hard it goes you're not gonna I'm not training you to fight my Tyson you won't last five seconds you never fought in your life your magician if there's not a trick it's not gonna happen and my Tyson, you know things David's magic apparently so so that didn't happen so he goes to another trainer and the trainer goes what's the trick and David goes there's no trick I just want to do it and he goes I'll take your money but and I'm gonna happen I'm gonna say how front he goes no I want to do it so David pays him in crazy amount of money and they start any trains for six months and finally they put him in the ring with his cruiser weight just a guy who's there cruiser weight tall thin guys you know who can who can box and David said that David said that the guy jabbed him once I was bad and they went oh Oh my god. Oh, it's a fairly fairly fairly pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty This was a long time ago. Like when Mike Tyson was boxing still, uh, it was right when he retired, I believe, right when he retired.
SPEAKER_02
12:04 - 12:09
I would Mike Tyson do that. He's ridiculous. Why would he think that Mike Tyson was going to do that?
SPEAKER_03
12:09 - 12:11
I don't know. I'll talk today, even I'll come back with.
SPEAKER_02
12:11 - 12:19
But it's, that's kind of insulting. for him to even think that Mike Tyson, while the greatest fighters of all time, would be willing to do that.
SPEAKER_03
12:19 - 12:26
Well, David's kind of guy who just loves endurance. He loves thinking about the hardest thing to do. Like he wanted to cross, I don't know if I can say it on air because he made me.
SPEAKER_02
12:26 - 12:58
Right, but a fighter only has, I mean, even though Mike Tyson would run through him like a hot samurai sword through a molten piece of butter. Yeah. And a fighter only has a certain amount of fights in his life. And a certain amount of times you can punch a man in the head with your hands, with that I'm breaking, a certain amount of times you can explode, moving on somebody, not tear a muscle. You only have a certain amount of those people. That Mike Tyson would waste one of them. Even if it would be a quick crushing, why would he waste one of them fighting a guy like David Blaine? That's so arrogant. Like you should have a fucking, you really think you could be a boxer and fight Mike Tyson. Have an amateur fight.
SPEAKER_03
13:00 - 13:25
I think a lot of guys it goes back to what we were saying a lot of dudes and we meet a lot of these guys in LA a lot of guys don't really understand what it's like to be hit by somebody who can really hit you you don't have that experience you are you're on your your experience comes from what movies where you see a guy get punched and face and he comes back and hits against you think that's how it is until you get hit by a guy who really understands how to hit and your whole world your whole world changes
SPEAKER_02
13:26 - 14:14
What's just, it's very difficult to relax, too, when someone's hitting you and one of the things that happens to people is they freak out. And their stress level goes up so high, they lose complete control of their ability to control their breath and they get exhausted and they fall apart. It's like one of the main things, and it's because they can't process the actual reality of getting hit. If you've been hit before, you can calm yourself down, even though you know that, like, wow, I just got hit hard, but we got to keep moving. We got to open, keep your eyes open, hands up, and you start like calming yourself down. But that's a process you have to get really, really, really used to. You ever see boxers where the guards take in a jab, and then he has his eyes open, and he's countering. Like eyes open, you guys, touching your face. Like they get so comfortable with it. They eat jabs with their eyes open.
SPEAKER_03
14:14 - 14:21
It's incredible. Diaz, Nick Diaz is really good at that. Nick Diaz can actually eat your jab and keep coming. He's one of a few guys I've seen who's got that.
SPEAKER_02
14:21 - 14:32
That's a good move. He's always get the fuck away from punches, man. Did you see the HBO boxing this weekend that don't air fight?
SPEAKER_03
14:32 - 14:40
No, but did you see that Bradley fight with Bradley and... Did you see the chick fight? No, what? Yeah, that was the thing. Did you not see the Bradley Hopkins?
SPEAKER_02
14:40 - 14:41
No. No.
SPEAKER_03
14:41 - 14:47
Bradley, what's that guy from Siberia? It was the fight of the year or just recently. It was the crazy thing I've ever seen in my life.
SPEAKER_00
14:47 - 14:50
The guy that he fought in Rocky III. No.
SPEAKER_03
14:50 - 14:57
The Siberian guy fights out of Freddy Roach's gym and it was the craziest thing. It's the crazy.
SPEAKER_02
14:57 - 15:02
Oh, I know. I know exactly what you're talking about. I was shocked. It was a crazy fight.
SPEAKER_03
15:02 - 15:04
Yeah, don't tell anybody what happens. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
15:06 - 15:21
That makes you people who have no respect for that, like people who have never been beaten. You don't have any idea what those guys are sacrificing to try to entertain people. It's the biggest sacrifice you can ever make physically without dying.
SPEAKER_03
15:22 - 15:40
it is and what's really interesting is some people have a genetic like an ability to take punches that that you as a human being should never be able to deal with like like even watching big country when he was taking those knees to the face and you ever see that you call the fight credible like how he can take that kind of punishment to his head is that nutty is thing about it.
SPEAKER_02
15:40 - 15:50
So a lot of it is mine too. A lot of it is your determination to see the physical build your face. That's one big like mark hunt like that big fucking thick head.
SPEAKER_00
15:50 - 15:52
How would you say the physical what are your face?
SPEAKER_02
15:52 - 16:27
physical can build of your face. It seems that guys with really thin faces like narrow jaws have more of an issue with getting knocked out or as big square jawed guys, you know, or they say that the fighting trainers look for they look for a short neck and a wide face. Yeah, that supposedly is the, like, David Tua, perfect example. One of the best chins of all time. Like, Lennox Lewis could crack him on the jaw and he just sort of wobbles back and forth and keeps moving forward. I mean, David Tua had a ridiculous jaw and his head is as wide as a football field.
SPEAKER_03
16:27 - 17:13
I know his, I know his, I worked out with his strength coach for, and who got him ready for his first fight. And his strength coach said that David Tua had never squatted. And he put him on the squat rack, where he put four and 90 on the squat rack, and two went from, like he went from, he took them weight, four and many pounds, and didn't do a regular squat. He did a deep squat. He did an all the way down squat, and then came back up with no problem. And he was like, how much do you practice squatting in two? I was like, I don't, I don't practice squatting, but I don't, I'm just, you know, I don't know how much weight was that because that was 490 pounds with no belt or anything. You just put it on your body and went all the way down because you're not supposed to go all the way down. You just have to go down to it like where you put your butt on it.
SPEAKER_02
17:13 - 17:24
Kind of shitty trainer was that guy. Why the fuck did he put so much weight on and why didn't he tell him how to do it first? That trainer sounds like a douchebag. That story sucks. Hey man. Hey man. How about that man?
SPEAKER_03
17:24 - 17:29
Hey man, let me retell it.
SPEAKER_00
17:29 - 17:32
It is definitely important. You got to edit that one a little bit.
SPEAKER_03
17:32 - 17:36
You know what squatting doesn't help with hunting. when you're out there trying to stalk a deer.
SPEAKER_02
17:36 - 18:00
See, I disagree. I think all those body weight squats that I do, that totally helped me. I don't hike. No, I never go hiking. We were hiking for fucking hours. I was like, there's a couple of points while I was like, whoa, like I'm breathing like really heavy. Like this is a really taxing. You know, and someone who's like in shitty shape, and you try to do that badlands hiking all day, you're, that's not good for you. Well, when we had to huff out all that meat,
SPEAKER_03
18:01 - 18:06
Yeah, I thought it was a small one. I thought it was heavy and I was like, I was concentrated.
SPEAKER_00
18:06 - 18:56
Yeah, I think it's a peculiar, it's like a peculiar kind of in shape. Just like walking around an uneven ground. Yeah. You know, I remember when I, like I grew up in Michigan, you couldn't. Yeah, but you couldn't find a good, you couldn't find where you could, where you need, need to do walk, you know, like a mile walk, it would be a big walk there. We were, you know, we all consider ourselves like pretty tough about that kind of stuff like hunting and Michigan and trapping stuff. And when I moved out west and first started hunting elk, we would get where, like we'd hike in, we might hike in like eight or nine miles somewhere, to hunt, and then hunt a couple of days and come back out. And then we'd like getting in the truck and drive to a gas station, you know, and you go in to get like a fountain pop. and fountains pop.
SPEAKER_03
18:56 - 19:02
Yeah, like you'd go to it. That's soda for you for people. So we're not living in the fifth. But I remember like, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00
19:02 - 19:44
A fountain pop. Okay, a belly washer. So but by that point in time, you'd pull up and open the door and couldn't get out of the vehicle. Like just that 20 minute drive and mark like my legs would just like seize up. Like seize up so bad that it would take days of their cover from it. Wow. And then now I don't understand like now. It just like doesn't happen. And even if I didn't go and do that for a year, maybe not a year, if I didn't go do that for six months or something, I feel like I would just be fine. Do I mean like something like goes away or comes or breaks or heels or something from just like those long arduous hikes, you know?
SPEAKER_02
19:44 - 20:32
Yeah, the human body is incredibly adaptable. I mean, there's things that people do if you go to a martial arts school and watch guys who have been doing jujitsu to their whole lives and watch like how you can move your body or how you can manipulate your body. The only way you could do that is if you just do it for years and years and years and years and years and you're hiking up those crazy slippery slopes like all those places we we hike top were really slippery. You know, it takes like a specific kind of balance and leg endurance when you're, you know, moving through mock and stuff. And you're just, that's like a skill, you know, you're just really good at it. Yeah. You were barely getting tired. It was crazy. I was really impressed. I was like, this guy's barely breathing heavy. Like we get to the top and he's like, glassing, and I'm going, Yeah, he's like barely breathing, but at the same time keep in mind.
SPEAKER_00
20:32 - 20:52
I live in fear of I'm catching a direct hit from my two-year-old He gets a big time out for that and I'm like, you know, I'm kind of covering my face like I can't take a hit from him. He's 35 pounds When I take one of his matchbox cars and he bullied and he deals me a blow to the cheek or something like that it puts me out Kids can fucking they can't hit you hard.
SPEAKER_02
20:52 - 20:53
They don't pull
SPEAKER_03
20:54 - 21:09
No, my daughter decided to take her heel in to me. She went. Yeah, I was like, she jumped on me. I was lying and bed. She jumped on me and decided to ride me and she took her heel and went and went. Get that in my rib and I went. He was crazy. How did you get that much power out of that heel strike?
SPEAKER_02
21:09 - 21:11
Do you teach them martial arts yet?
SPEAKER_03
21:11 - 21:12
No, yeah, my son will definitely be learning.
SPEAKER_02
21:13 - 21:24
I train them when they're rolling the four-year-old in the two-year-old because they wrestle around together naturally. So I train them positions. And I was like, this is not when you want to stay. If you're in this position, when you want to do, you want to pass the car.
SPEAKER_03
21:24 - 21:28
I think it's important.
SPEAKER_00
21:28 - 21:40
My wife today, I was like, two hours ago, my wife sent me a message on my phone asking if I thought that our little boy would like karate classes. It's really good. I never did anything like that.
SPEAKER_02
21:40 - 22:14
Well, you did a lot of hunting though and a lot of physical things. I think men need a lot of physical things. I think the idea that a man that it's natural for a man to have no explosive release physically for the rest of his life and just sit in a cubicle and just go through life with shiny shoes on with a fucking time. your body is going to break. That's a totally unnatural thing you're asking of it. And if you don't, you don't have some sort of physical release, or at least understand how to manage it. You know, you got to understand how to manage it, like managing it is super important.
SPEAKER_03
22:14 - 22:23
Well, also, it also harmonally for a man doing exercise like that, harmonally changes you harmonally. When you don't, when you don't exercise, you lose it, man.
SPEAKER_02
22:23 - 22:26
Yeah. Oh, no question. No questions.
SPEAKER_03
22:26 - 22:30
Way healthier to do. actually lifting heavy is a good thing too.
SPEAKER_02
22:30 - 23:03
Yeah, but we're talking about for little kids for little kids like learning like learning like how to do difficult things like early on. It's so important because it's the foundation like think how well think how normal it is for you to like sleep somewhere that's fucking cold a shit with a sleeping bag and like all right well this is what we're doing here. We are you and Mo curled up together in that van using your asses off that for for an average person that's like some you know, walking dead type shit. That scenario never comes up. And if it did, they would fall apart. They wouldn't be able to deal with it. They'd be complaining and whining. I mean, how many people would complain and whine?
SPEAKER_03
23:03 - 23:36
Well, Steve, you shed some light on this, because I've read accounts of where the settlers, when they would move west and they'd come in contact with Native Americans, they'd be a barely cold winter or something. And they would see like Native Americans and children who's not not dressed warmly. Like dressed in like, you know, or not warmly compared to Western. So they'd be like, you know, 10 degrees out of something and they'd be in, you know, two skins. But, but not nearly as bundled up as you would expect them to be.
SPEAKER_00
23:37 - 24:00
Yeah, I think that I think that people, I think that people acclimate to that kind of stuff. And you see your own minor version of it, just like the way you might behave through all the winter. Right. Do you know what I mean? Like, you get, you get just a gentleman, you call him through it through all the year. And then you see like mild variations where people who like might grow up at Northern Latitudes move down south, they come back home and can't hack. Right. The cold.
SPEAKER_03
24:00 - 24:05
Yeah, I wonder what that is. Maybe maybe your body naturally starts preparing for that or heating up.
SPEAKER_00
24:05 - 25:33
So yeah, something shifts and he looked like even then, if you look at cultures like like, like, any of it cultures. I mean, just in that that small amount of time, and that's not like a, like, relatively, that's not a very ancient, that's not a very like ancient people or very ancient culture. Like they're like fairly new arrivals in the Arctic, but they already like demonstrate. physical differences and physical adaptations that would help them adapt the cold like how much how much stuff you spread out like how much you know blood you send your extremities and how well you can shut that off and control it either another thing is There's this thing that's like it's called the Bergman principle It's a it's a principle in in while and while they're physiology in the Bergman principle holds that like if you have a species, okay, like let's like take away till deer And in the southern extreme of that species range, the animals are going to be much smaller than in the northern extreme. So if you look at white tail deer from Alberta, there's just monsters up there. You guys get like 280 pound deer or whatever. Down in the southern extreme of the range, they might weigh 90 pounds. And what they find is that a bigger, like generally a bigger animal has less surface area. So that bigger animals better able to retain body heat in a smaller animal in a mammal shape. A smaller animal has greater surface area and is thus better able to shed heat. So it comes down to heat, shedding and heat retention. And when you look at like human cultures.
SPEAKER_03
25:33 - 25:38
Wait, so a smaller animal, say again, like a bigger animal.
SPEAKER_00
25:39 - 27:48
If you have, unless you have exactly the same shape dogs, okay, but one of those dogs is 200 pounds and one of those dogs is 50 pounds. The larger dog has less surface area per unit of mass. And in the smaller dog has greater service area per unit of mass. And so that's a way in which animals help, you know, shedding heat and keeping it. And nothing you see in species like, like, not that we look at the woolly mammoth. The woolly mammoth at very small years. You know, we think of elephants that have an elephant time giant years. The woolly mammoth at very small years. It was the Arctic and sub-artic inhabitants. and you look at like the African element and near equatorial zones, big ears. So it's like the ability to shed heat to send a bunch of blood into that big ear and drop that heat off. And what I'm saying is, that's not just the body size thing, but just like attributes, long legs, you know, things that long legs would help you shed heat, squat legs, healthy retain heat. So when you look at human cultures, like human cultures from equatorial areas and human cultures from artic and sub-artic areas, when some way demonstrate that same tendency of or, you know, that same physiology of being squat and compact, being able to handle cold. So I think that, you know, it doesn't take that long for, I mean, whatever your feelings are about, like, you know, when I talk about evolution, though, it's just like tangled on, you know, people think you're making like some grandials comment about religion or the Bible, but I'm just like, the things are different. You know, things look different where they come from. Right. And it doesn't, and I think that it goes pretty quick. in species and humans and stuff making, you know, like acquiring adaptations that help them deal with climates, you know. And you talk about the guys going out west. I mean, like settlers going out west, who's going to wind up a thrive in the guy that can have to cold the guy that can sleep out, you know. I think it's like on an individual level, I think so much of it comes down to getting comfortable with discomfort. Yeah. And that was something I learned over a long time of like, like, hunting in the last, the hunting Alaska was just kind of like the mental attribute of getting comfortable discomfort.
SPEAKER_03
27:48 - 28:26
Yeah. Well, they said that the seal teams, they tried to figure out what prototype would do well in the, you know, a stocky guy or whatever. A lot of guys just stock here. A lot of guys were wrestlers. There are three sports they could recruit from, believe it or not, across swimming wrestling and one of their footballs. But they couldn't actually, they've never been able to really pinpoint who makes it and why and they certainly can't even do it physically. Like some guys just defy the odds and they shouldn't do it, but they do it. So there's no like, well, that guy has this, these six qualities, he's definitely going to make it through Buds. No. It's just a very difficult thing to pinpoint.
SPEAKER_02
28:26 - 28:39
Why would have been talking, uh, cam? It's a cam. Just walked in. We only have one extra mic here. So you guys are going to have to close to each other and talk. Are you, uh, you Steve's, you Steve's friend? You guys know each other?
SPEAKER_00
28:39 - 28:42
We know each other a little bit. I'm going on cam show a number of times.
SPEAKER_06
28:42 - 28:51
Yeah, Steven and I are both on a sportsman channel. I do cam and company, which is five o'clock Eastern Monday through Friday. Big fan of staves and we've talked about.
SPEAKER_02
28:51 - 28:57
So I thought I was confused. I thought you guys were good buddies. Traveling together. You're not traveling together.
SPEAKER_06
28:57 - 28:58
Not traveling together.
SPEAKER_02
28:58 - 29:07
Oh, I got a now. My information sucks. I don't know where I'm getting a wire from. So you're here to promote
SPEAKER_06
29:07 - 30:16
But here to promote your appearance on mediator and talk about the MMA week that we're developing for Cam and Cavity coming up last week in April. We're going to be having Stephen on and hopefully having you on Randy Kittor is going to be joining us. We're going to talk about the, I think a lot of the similarities in the crossover between the MMA world and the world of hunting. You talk about what attributes it takes to, you know, make it as an AV seal. And you talk about what attributes it takes to make it as a hunter. You know, I think that there's all kinds of commonalities there when we talk about what it means to actually be better than what we are and to grow ourselves, whether it's, you know, the putting yourself in that state of discomfort where, you know, a lot of people bug out. I mean, they don't want to do that anymore. We live in a world in which our entire existence is based on how comfortable can we be. But again, you don't become better unless you're pushing yourself unless you're breaking out of that comfort zone.
SPEAKER_02
30:16 - 31:03
Yeah, it's a sad thing to see a whole generation of kids growing up that don't experience that as young men. They don't have difficult tasks to perform. And I think that's a very critical aspect of your behavior and your character and growing your character. You've got to fail. You've got to be pushed. You've got to get to a situation where you pass your limits or you surprise yourself with new limits and you change your own definition of yourself. But if you don't test yourself, if you don't get into bad positions, you're always going to have that weird and security about you. Like that weird and security that guys have that have never been in any kind of conflict ever. And you don't know how they would react. There's certain people I know exactly how they would react if the shit hits the fan. But there's other people like, oh, you squirrely bitch, you might fall apart on me.
SPEAKER_03
31:03 - 31:17
And I think that like you always said to, you know, if you're, if you're trying to be really good at anything, you can find all those, all that, you can find all that discomfort and all those platoes and everything, just in trying to get great at the guitar or the drums or anything.
SPEAKER_02
31:18 - 31:34
There's a certain amount of humility and an understanding of what's really going on that you develop when you sort of make any strides in any really difficult thing. Or if it's playing chess, whether it's writing, whatever it is, it's a matter of doing something difficult and testing your boundaries.
SPEAKER_00
31:34 - 33:09
Yeah, I was thinking at a time all that came more natural, I think. If you just look at the way people's lives used to be structured, you know, and even just, you know, not even 100 years ago or so, it wasn't like we had to manufacture opportunities for stress. Right. So I mean, it was just like, you had things you had to do, like you had to clear land or people would actually have children because they needed the additional read. They didn't look at children as being a deficit. They looked at children's being like an addition of resources. Like have kids because they'll help me do more work. Not like I'll have kids so that I can pump money into them and pump, you know, resources into them. I'll derive from them. And now I find, I still don't live that way. Now I find that I manufacture, I try to like, in small dosages, manufacture that feeling for my kid to like, give him this, he doesn't see this artificial, but given this artificial sense of him having to have output, you know, that I'm doing something, and maybe I'm doing something completely unnecessary, like he wants to make a birdhouse, so we're going to make a birdhouse, but at a point it becomes just like arduous, you know, there's a part where the fun dies. And now we just got to get it finished, you know, and to make it and to turn it into like, no, we're doing it. We're doing this. We're doing this. And it's like, and I don't care if it's enjoyable to him anymore. And he's so little. This is all just like experiment now. Right. But just trying to like create that sense of that you have to now in some way do something you don't want to do. Yes. That is productive.
SPEAKER_03
33:09 - 33:44
That's part of life practice, right? It's a part of that, you know, you get, you start getting good at something and just, you know, if you're trying to be a good wrestler or whatever, there are days you walk in, you're like, I don't want to wrestle, I don't want to do any of this. I don't care about this anymore. It's all a bore. I don't like that guy, I don't like any of this and you, it's like getting into a cold bath until your skin gets acclimated, you know, that's that. That's a huge part. It's an interesting thing where they put it, get comfortable with discomfort. I don't think you can get good at anything unless you get comfortable with it.
SPEAKER_02
33:44 - 34:36
That's one of the things about wrestlers that separates them from my opinion, almost every other athlete. wrestlers go through such horrendous stress throughout high school and college. between sucking weight and the training wrestling is the most brutal fucking training you can do and then you're doing strength and conditioning hill sprints whatever kind of crazy you know weight lifted program they have you on you're you are broken down all day falling asleep in class you're dehydrated your sucking weight you're eating fucking turkey breast and lettuce with lemon juice on it like you're essentially starving while you're going to burn lifestyle And these guys, they developed this unbelievable ability to just grind through shit. And they break a lot of fighters just with their sheer will because of that, that mentality that comes being a successful wrestler.
SPEAKER_03
34:36 - 34:58
It's like, well, I'm doing tomorrow. I'm having Ron Rousey on the Brian Collins, everybody. And sorry to push my podcast, but um, she, I'm, I look forward to, I think I've got a change in name that's stupid thing. From man thoughts, a lot of people want man thoughts back. He used to be called man thoughts, and then Joe was like, come on, dude, just have it to Brian Collins. I was like, all right, I'm changing it back to the Brian Collins, everybody. Man thoughts.
SPEAKER_02
34:58 - 35:12
It's not, it's not, you know, people look for the Brian Collins podcast. They're not going to Google Man thoughts. Exactly. It's a little disconnect there with people finding it. It was an idea to lay, but I can't do any, I'm so bad at labeling.
SPEAKER_03
35:12 - 35:40
It was the first opportunity. A lot of Rousey, Ronda Rousey, because the UFC champion, the point is I'm making, is that I think part of what makes her so great, she was an Olympian in judo, which is so difficult. That was a kind of training group. And you get an, you get an octagon with Ronda Rousey, man. She's been through the mock. And that's what I'm going to talk to her about is what her, she's an extreme winner, you know, and I want to talk to her about how What her mindset is, how she keeps that going, how she deals with the pressure, how she deals with all the other.
SPEAKER_02
35:40 - 35:47
Her mother developed her, you know, her mother's a judo champion as well, her mother just taught her to be a total badass, you know.
SPEAKER_03
35:47 - 36:14
Well, she said in the interview, Ron, I'm going to talk about this is when something bad happens to her, she immediately says, wow. I wonder, I wonder what I'm going to get out of this. You know, I wonder, this is, this is going to, this is the sucks right now, but I wonder what good is going to come out of this because something good is going to, something good. I'm going to react in a good way. My reaction is going to create something positive in this atmosphere. That's a great way of looking at any kind of adversity.
SPEAKER_02
36:14 - 36:21
Sure until you get kicked in the head. Well, that's true. Then you go, okay. Ain't that the truth, right? That's the ultimate equal.
SPEAKER_03
36:21 - 36:37
The man seen he is to say, who is that? For his younger listeners, he was a World Champion boxer in the room. Ray, man, seen he and he said, my father always said, you're a tough guy. Tell you not. Bottom line. You're a tough guy till you're not. Somebody hit you in the face. You're not a tough guy anymore.
SPEAKER_02
36:37 - 36:57
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SPEAKER_00
38:41 - 39:03
age doesn't start to get through age where your references don't work anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
SPEAKER_02
39:03 - 39:09
How about when Bruce Jenner used to be the Weedys guy not some freak in a fucking reality show? How about that?
SPEAKER_03
39:09 - 39:11
How about when Bruce Jenner had a man knows?
SPEAKER_02
39:11 - 39:27
How about when Bruce Jenner was a man? What's going on? When you when you become like this guy who's on this reality show and all your your daughter's little upturn knows all in the news and everyone's mad They're all crazy. They're completely crazy.
SPEAKER_00
39:27 - 39:28
Yeah, you used to be a champion.
SPEAKER_02
39:28 - 39:30
You used to be a lucky boy. I was a dick
SPEAKER_03
39:30 - 39:39
Yeah, he was one of the best in the world. He was a go-go-metal and and and and and Andrew's handsome and then decides he he's gonna go and get his nose done.
SPEAKER_06
39:39 - 39:48
I'll just play the game like try to flash forward 20 years into the future and and find out you know like think okay, what's the liberty that I know now who's normal is gonna be that fucked up 20 years
SPEAKER_02
39:50 - 39:59
No, it's too easy to make fun of the ones that are fucked up right now. I'm not really into fucking the stock market of celebrity deliciousness. I'm I'm looking for them to be fucked up right away.
SPEAKER_00
39:59 - 40:08
I mean it's always something but there's some that you picture like if someone just rolls you the wrong way for whatever reason it's fun to fantasize turns that could happen
SPEAKER_02
40:08 - 40:16
Right, you know what was really fun is when what you don't like one and it actually happens and you get to watch Yeah, yeah, we watch some fucking skid and hit the wall.
SPEAKER_03
40:16 - 40:33
As you get older you can kind of you can kind of get you get really good at figuring out you look at some celebrities and you go Oh, there's a lot of flash noise there, but you're not drawing from much brother You're working with one bag of tricks and that's getting empty I can watch it and and you're like you got to call up with something but you a lot of times we'll see that
SPEAKER_02
40:33 - 41:02
it's a very disappointing thing when you realize that there's all these really douchey people that on camera and they have the sort of like artificial acted they put on and then they'll do films where they're like really good at pretending to be someone else so they do that and then you know but you get to meet them and you see them and you like this guy's a douchebag like a straight a great a douchebag and a poor in a poor yeah boring crazy psychopath who's just who's all about themselves
SPEAKER_03
41:02 - 41:27
pathologically self-envolved. I know a movie star like that. It's just, you know, and you grow up watching him. And you get, and I got snowman. I was like, you are an absolute cuckoo bird. You are all about yourself. Never ask me a question about my name. Never ask me one question about myself. Not one question. I don't even how you do it. Never not a question. No interest. It's all about him. He's truly the center of his own university.
SPEAKER_02
41:27 - 41:57
There's guys. You're the fat. I had a buddy that I had to cut off because I couldn't ever just have a hey, what's going on, man? I couldn't have that. I couldn't say the copy. Because no, no, no, no. Because when you would say hey, what's going on, man, he would just go into his career. Like this, I mean, it was like a fucking five-minute diatribe on how well this audition went and he's pretty sure he's gonna be back for a second pass at that. And I think once I can get in front of producers, I could show him what I could really do. I know you're talking about talent here.
SPEAKER_00
41:57 - 42:00
Nick, can I interrupt you long enough just to burn? I mean, how's your family?
SPEAKER_05
42:00 - 42:06
Dude, I can't believe you're making some big show.
SPEAKER_01
42:06 - 42:09
Thank you for listening. He wants to make sure he's off the ladder.
SPEAKER_03
42:11 - 42:16
Steve, right now you will never be on that list. Yeah. You can do your, you can do no wrong.
SPEAKER_02
42:16 - 42:32
What we're talking can before you got here, we're talking about how it seems like, you know, Brian and Steve and I are, because we went on this crazy trip together because we went to Montana. We have this weird blood, brother shit, blood brotherhood ship going on.
SPEAKER_03
42:33 - 42:35
It's really felt that way when I was watching the episodes.
SPEAKER_02
42:35 - 42:49
Yeah, I was like, I was like, I was like, there's nobody. I missed those guys. Like Ryan Ryan. Yeah, for five days, we had a great fucking time with no TV, no cell phone.
SPEAKER_03
42:49 - 42:51
We need less sleep, right? Remember that didn't
SPEAKER_02
42:51 - 43:06
I mean we slept like rocks, you know we slept on the lights went out basically we ate slept and but getting up it was it wasn't what didn't seem that hard like it was it was it was really it was practice we were going to bed at eight wake up like yeah six what I did get about 14 hours asleep
SPEAKER_03
43:07 - 43:09
I didn't even need a nap!
SPEAKER_02
43:09 - 43:26
I'm rugged! It was hard to figure out how to sleep at first, but I've realized eventually that the softest way to do it is to keep your, your, not just your sleeping bag, but your jacket on as well. Let me use all my clothes on, my jacket, my sleeping bag, and the, the down jacket and the sleeping bags. I think this is just enough.
SPEAKER_03
43:27 - 43:35
Let me tell you something. The next time we go hunting, I'm bringing a shirt, but I guess what he's gonna carry. A big fucking mattress on his back. And fuck you guys.
SPEAKER_01
43:35 - 43:37
Oh, portable heater.
SPEAKER_03
43:37 - 43:40
Oh, man, a portable heater. I want a fucking mattress with a big pillow.
SPEAKER_00
43:40 - 43:43
Remember we passed that one? Do you lose something, though, man?
SPEAKER_03
43:43 - 43:49
Whatever. Really? Oh, really? Good. Oh, shucks. What did we just talked about? Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_00
43:49 - 45:39
Sorry, guys. What did we just say? You're not a soft, but there's a famous quote. I can't remember who said like you don't really know a man, you know, T-100, 100 with them. I was like, forget that, I don't know the guy. I don't know what he said or who said it, which really destroys my point. But, the bra thing I was gonna say is that there's like, I was talking one time with the older friend of mine, he was talking about being at his fishing camp. And he was trying to describe it why he likes being at his fishing camp, what his buddies, now his fish halve, and Alaska. And he's like, everyone's just so, so competent. You know, and it wound up being like that he just kind of appreciated that, like hang out with people who like have the ability to just to take care of things. Yeah. Yeah. To do things and he was saying like you got a weight in line if you want to wash a dish, you know, with this crew of people he's always. And I think that in ways, another thing this is exclusive to honey, I mean, there's many things. But just like going on a trip, you know, going on a trip with people where things aren't so great all the time. Like there's there's elements of being cold, there's elements of having not slept enough. But it's kind of having this feeling of, um, Everything's gonna be okay and these guys are like great people to be with and they're just like really confident people and right now we're doing those like that that behind like we're doing like this little crew show on like the media it was just on the one that's coming up or kind of about the guys I work with and when I watch that I kind of see that where I just feel so like comfortable being around people that I've spent a lot of time out hunting with and again I don't want to make I think that sports teams feel something similar you know I think there's there's a military is that way like guys serving in the military but just kind of a way of being away from things and sort of relying on other structures, relying on other things and having assumptions about people holding their weight. If you're complaining, make it funny. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's right.
SPEAKER_03
45:39 - 46:36
You know, that's funny. I went spend 11 days and I've gone as time doing a USO tour. One of the things I came away with was I realized I went, you know, I've been in LA for a long time where I'm the center of my own university. Everybody around me is always about them. And one of the things I found very refreshing about being in a war zone, if there is such a thing as being feeling refreshing, was that when you're in the military, you're a marine, you're an army guy, you come last. Those guys put themselves last and everybody around them comes first. So when you get off a bus and you're unloading bags, there's always a line of people unloading everybody else's bags. Everybody's looking out for the other guy next to them. And that's ethos, that is that is credo in the military that's that's drummed in you. I got to say that having come from LA which was the exact opposite to being thrown into that experience was very very kind of it was really I didn't expect it this is one of the most ridiculous places to live in the world if you want to if you want to find like actual real humans to talk to
SPEAKER_02
46:37 - 46:40
Real, yeah, real authentic.
SPEAKER_06
46:40 - 46:41
It's true.
SPEAKER_02
46:41 - 47:15
Man and women. It's like it's such a brutal grind to try to find people that are your friends. So you can talk to. I've cultivated a group over the years. And one of the things about doing your show is that I knew that if I was going to do it, and I brought this motherfucker around, I'm like, we'll change the whole tone of the show. Like this show is just going to be a five day silly fast. I'm like, this is the perfect thing to do because, and also I knew that Brian Cowen holds up a new no matter what happened. The fucking asteroids could become, and we'd be looking at each other. Well, pal, it's been a good time. I don't see us survive in that fucking thing.
SPEAKER_03
47:15 - 47:20
I'm always ready to go out with a bang. I will stand by your side no matter what. That's how I think of friendship.
SPEAKER_02
47:20 - 47:34
He's my form the morning. I got a body to get rid of guy. If I had if I had a guy that I had to call up and go dude Meet me. I would take a risk for you. Meet me. Meet me in your bargain law.
SPEAKER_03
47:34 - 47:40
No, I take that very seriously. My real friends. My real friends. Oh, I said I'll take a risk for you. I take a risk for you. I take a risk for you.
SPEAKER_04
47:40 - 47:40
I heard you in jail.
SPEAKER_02
47:40 - 47:49
That hurts my feeling. You. You too, sweetie. I would love to carry more. Yeah, he can carry a body. You might get uncomfortable walking through the desert. I also got holes.
SPEAKER_03
47:49 - 47:52
I got holes in stores of life.
SPEAKER_02
47:52 - 47:54
I would have to stop for cigarette breaks.
SPEAKER_00
47:54 - 48:05
I'd fuck the evidence away. But you're not just looking for someone who'd be cool with the fact that you had a body. Right. It'd be someone who'd be who'd be helpful in getting, oh yeah, no exactly how to get rid of it.
SPEAKER_03
48:05 - 48:09
You've got to go in a mission mode. You've got to get rid of that fucking body. That's the way it is.
SPEAKER_02
48:09 - 48:10
Yeah, you know it.
SPEAKER_03
48:10 - 48:29
You know it's because it's like Jimmy Berks friend who his is is it comes home his girlfriend is having a fight with her boyfriend boy for his hitting his daughter. He comes home and his daughter's in a fight with her boyfriend in the backyard and the and the boyfriend starts hitting her. He comes out and he's a construction where he comes out.
SPEAKER_00
48:29 - 48:30
Can you keep back up?
SPEAKER_03
48:30 - 48:31
Okay, so so yeah
SPEAKER_00
48:32 - 48:35
So not that. Oh, I don't understand. Okay.
SPEAKER_03
48:35 - 50:41
So the story is, so my buddy, my buddy, my buddy, my buddy, your buddy, is it your buddy? My buddy grows up, grows up with a guy named. I think it was a, who gives a fuck what his name is. Comes up and comes home. His daughter is in the backyard with a boyfriend and they're fighting. They're having a fight. A boyfriend starts hitting his daughter. Okay. Right. He goes out of the backyard and tries to break it up. The boyfriend I guess gets smart with him. He kills the boyfriend with his bare hands. He fucking kills him. Whoa. He punches him to death. Now he says to his daughter go inside and he's got to get rid of the body. So he calls his buddy. Wait a minute. Are you should you be telling the story? Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. Are people in jail? Yeah, they're in jail. So so he and this is a long time ago. So he calls his huge friend Bozo. Bozo was a knucklebreaker who his clan the famous he had the longest tongue on the planet. He would stick his tongue out and you go oh Jesus Christ like that. He'd scare people with his fucking tongue that was the size of a cow's anyway. Bozo's a giant man. Bozo shows up. Bozo goes I know what we're gonna do calm down because what he goes I'll be right back. Bozo goes and gets a dolly He takes the dolly, he ties the guy to the dolly. They fucking in the middle of the night, they take this guy, they dolly him to a gas station round the corner. And they leave him behind the gas station, whoops, you drop something, then they come running back like, heee, we did it. Good job, buddy. Blood brothers, I got, I helped you get rid of a body. Well, here's what they didn't think, because they were a little drunk to calm down. The guy's hand had dragged, dragged along the ground. So when the cops showed up, they brought the dogs. And the dogs went, oh, well, let's just follow where the dogs go. And the dogs go. And they just went around the corner and found themselves a little house and started barking. It cost like knock, knock, knock. Hey, you guys, Dolly a body, round the fucking thing. Ah, sorry we did it! You're going jail and so are fucking you, pal. And they did some time. Not in the end of the 25th life, they did some fucking night of night.
SPEAKER_02
50:41 - 50:52
So your point is, you don't want any old dude getting rid of a body. You got to have a plan through this shit. Before a hat. Yeah, you got to think through this shit. You got to rehearse this shit. And you got to get a body up before it stinks.
SPEAKER_04
50:54 - 50:58
It's important. Well, insect blender, guys. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
50:58 - 50:58
One blender at a time.
SPEAKER_03
50:58 - 51:10
Well, there was that guy that fed the body through, uh, uh, I guess, uh, he had a hog farm and fed the body first through a tree shredder shot all the all of it into the hog thing and the hogs ate it, but they still ended up.
SPEAKER_00
51:12 - 51:21
You know, this reminds me of that link, like Joe said, you sent me a link recently of like the great cannibals of wild west. Great cannibals of the west. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
51:21 - 51:22
Wild shit, isn't it?
SPEAKER_03
51:22 - 51:24
What's that? Like the Donner Party?
SPEAKER_02
51:24 - 51:39
Yeah. Well, like the similar similar. Similar, but one of them was a guy who his wife got killed by the Cherokee. So he went on a rampage, just killed a bunch of Indians in eighth or liver. And they called him liver eating Johnston Johnson. He just, he would kill guys and eat their liver.
SPEAKER_00
51:39 - 51:41
So that was the city policy.
SPEAKER_03
51:42 - 51:44
That's a serial killer who'd be fantastic about that.
SPEAKER_00
51:44 - 51:54
That is whole life. They killed my wife. Before I could eat her liver. He later became the sheriff. Like he later became the sheriff of red light as a red light.
SPEAKER_02
51:54 - 51:56
Something. Something he was. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
52:00 - 52:24
Sydney Pollock made that movie. Great movie Jeremiah Johnson. Yeah. And Jeremiah Johnson was based loosely off of the legend of of liver eating Johnson. And it was about liver eating Johnson. Liver eating Johnson used to cut firewood on for the for the boats on the Missouri brakes. Wow. Where we did our float holy springs is holding away full circle in a weird way. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06
52:24 - 52:26
Johnson also had an eight inch tongue. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02
52:30 - 53:28
You're a stories man about the old west were so great You know you know so many cool fucking stories like when we were Mike Brian when we got back when we were on the boat and you were like oh my god that the last day of on being on the water was so fucking cold my god I didn't even notice cuz Steve kept telling me all these cool last fucking Indian stories How this guy got away and this guy hit in a beaver's den and this guy they they told them you could run naked you can try to get away if you can if you can run away and I was so I was so frozen I saw you and it was so cold that you had like there were icicles on your beard and you were just smiling the whole time I was like how is he not cold right now? So you did your job you distracted him. I wasn't joined myself man. I never bothered the I mean the knowing that the cold was only like a five-day thing. I was like, as long as it's only a five-day thing. And what we were walking around in the day, it wasn't bad. As long as you have gloves on, I mean, if you're done upright, if you're wearing the right shit, it's not bad.
SPEAKER_00
53:28 - 54:02
I had something to do. That's the thing. It's like a paradox, I'm gonna swear. When you get uncomfortable and cold like that, Some party wants to just stand there. You know, but the only time you're actually comfortable is when you're out screwing around. Yeah, you got to move around. You're going to soon start moving around. But there's something to admit, you stop. Some thing comes, some thing inhabits you and makes you want to just like, stand here and be cold. And it's like the guys that are good about it are the guys that just you look and instead of hanging around talking, there's like walking up and down a little hill. Yeah. And they're totally fine.
SPEAKER_02
54:02 - 54:12
Well, it's weird how we comfortable. We got sweaty. Even though it's like nine degrees out. You know, there's, you know, a lot of times we're fucking sweaty. No, it around a lot. That's why we got kills, right?
SPEAKER_03
54:12 - 54:14
You know, it's sweat. You got to have wool.
SPEAKER_00
54:14 - 55:36
The opposite of that. You're familiar with paradoxical. You're here with paradoxical and dressing. No. It's like when people, uh, free to that. That's where they'll find hypothermia. Yeah. Like victims of hypothermia, though, they'll often have, they'll often shed their clothes, but in erratic ways, taking jewelry off, um, making run sock off. But there's this thing that happens where you spend, like, like, your body, when you start getting cold, your body spends a lot of energy, it constricts certain blood vessels and stops the flow of blood out to your extremities, like to the tip of your nose. You know, when you get cold, like, tip your nose, it's a good kind of numb and whiteness, your fingers get that way. Like, your body's working really hard to, to, to, to, to, to, stay off heat loss. So it doesn't want to send as much blood out to places that lose blood easily. But as you tire and you start to peter out, that gives way. Your body can't expend the energy necessary to do that and it opens those up. And it's a rush of heat. So it's like your fingers have gotten very cold. Your limbs have gotten very cold. Your face has got very cold. And also your body's like, can't do anymore. And all that hot blood rushes out with those things and people apparently get this feeling of intense heat. Running for the start. Yeah, and then so they'll find someone and it's always like, you know, he's got some poles over here and his wedding rings laying over that way and, you know, whining rings burned.
SPEAKER_03
55:36 - 55:40
But you know what, man?
SPEAKER_00
55:40 - 56:22
I was down fishing and floored and I got beat up by black flies real bad. And the first time since I got married, I took my wedding off for a day. And I felt so good. I got like a guilty conscience feeling. and I had to put it back on you know it's uncomfortable because I just felt guilty and then I get here and I'm looking at my bag and find my wife's writing wedding ring in my backpack because like a week ago she didn't know where to put it and I put it my backpack and I call me like do you even know what you're doing to wonder where you're pointing things up you just hear a bunch of dudes in the background come back to the hot tub I don't know we had a hot tub down here like like trying to scratch undermine you know and hers is just in some unknown location too
SPEAKER_02
56:23 - 56:48
I left my, uh, I left my wedding ring at a spa where I got a massage from a dude. So I go, I've been getting, I get massage from dudes now. I gave up because girls can't do it hard. They can. I need, I need deep tissue and it's, it's brutal. It's painful. It doesn't feel good, but you gotta have a man doing it because women just, they're not strong enough to do it. Some women are the user elbows really well, but I have to have a... I have to have a... Board of Lines.
SPEAKER_03
56:48 - 56:49
He has to have a mustache.
SPEAKER_04
56:49 - 56:51
Board of Lines violent. Is that hard to come with a guy though?
SPEAKER_02
56:52 - 59:12
It's not that odd. So anyway, I go and I come back and she always makes fun of me forgetting the size of my dudes, right? And then I go, fuck, I left my wedding ring there. So I run back, I get the wedding ring, I come back home, she goes, was it in his ass? This episode is brought to you by Moan. Homes are a big investment. You want to protect them from fires, break-ins, and especially water. Water damage is a lot more frequent. And something is small as a leaky pipe can lead to big problems down the road. And it can also be hard to detect. since you know most pipes are hidden behind a wall. That's why you guys need the mowing smart water monitor and shut off. It's a device that can automatically shut down your home's water when a leak is detected and it also works 24-7 monitoring and tracking your home even when you're not there. It'll alert you through the app at the first sign of a leak, providing ultimate peace of mind and security. Learn more and buy the moan smart water monitor and shut off at moan.com slash flow. And right now, use the code Rogan to get 5% off free shipping and a free leak detector. That's code Rogan at m-o-e-n.com slash f-l-o. Automatic shutoff and real-time alert capabilities will operate when the device is configured with the proper settings. This episode is brought to you by Crash Champions. There's nothing worse than being overwhelmed by an unexpected car accident and not knowing what to do next. But as bad as a situation like that might be, Crash Champions is here to answer the call turning your bad day around with trusted collision repair. They'll save the day by getting your vehicle back on the road quickly, safely, and looking like the accident never happened. Next time, Iraq ruins your life, remember to trust Crash Champions. They will answer the call and make it right. Ask your auto insurance company about Crash Champions, visit CrashChampions.com to find a location near you. It's awesome. Oh, yeah, it was fucking hilarious.
SPEAKER_04
59:12 - 59:15
By the way, did you actually go to Dick Party in my mouth and see what that was?
SPEAKER_02
59:15 - 59:16
No, I just made that up.
SPEAKER_04
59:16 - 59:18
Good check it out. Was it real?
SPEAKER_02
59:18 - 59:18
Yeah, good check it out.
SPEAKER_04
59:18 - 59:21
It's hilarious. Powerful. Dick Party.
SPEAKER_02
59:21 - 59:34
We're talking about who is domain name privacy that when you register a domain, you can also register it anonymously. So people don't know who owns Dick Party in my mouth.com. Yeah, they're gonna be surprised. Why was it surprising?
SPEAKER_04
59:34 - 59:38
It's pretty shocking. Okay. I'm gonna tell you at the beginning. Pretty shocking. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06
59:38 - 59:40
I think with the URL, I mean, like, how are you?
SPEAKER_03
59:40 - 59:43
What are you on? What's your next question?
SPEAKER_00
59:43 - 59:45
How do you talk?
SPEAKER_02
59:45 - 59:54
It's all about the Constitution. How weird is this? Oh, it's Desquad. That's hilarious. Did you just transfer it?
SPEAKER_04
59:54 - 59:55
I bought that during the commercial.
SPEAKER_02
59:55 - 59:59
That's a signed up and everything. That's been moved, man. That's just why I'm moving.
SPEAKER_04
59:59 - 01:00:03
How much was on like that cost? 13 bucks. I just keep on code Rogan and save 10%.
SPEAKER_03
01:00:03 - 01:00:08
Guys, guys, while we're doing this, are you not going to fucking pump up your shot?
SPEAKER_02
01:00:08 - 01:00:11
Yeah, I'm going to try to tell people where you're going to call it.
SPEAKER_03
01:00:11 - 01:00:18
If you're happening to be in Edmonton, April 25, 26, 27, 28, then come to the comic strip if you're there. I mean, but otherwise don't.
SPEAKER_02
01:00:19 - 01:00:25
Steve, you are the only hunting show that I know of that shows on a regular basis. You'll show if you get scunked.
SPEAKER_00
01:00:26 - 01:00:28
You know, yeah, we call them skunkers.
SPEAKER_02
01:00:28 - 01:00:41
Yeah, you'll show you he'll have a whole episode like there was an episode where you were going after our dad wasn't that one you got so close, but it was like too dark for you to like we've done four we've done four skunkers.
SPEAKER_00
01:00:41 - 01:03:13
Skunkers. I mean, you don't can't get nothing. Oh, I thought I'm getting skunked. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I'll stop using that. The first time I was on successful hunt. Right. I was very nervous. Now it's trying to make the case that we wouldn't air it. I don't know why. Now it seems stupid to the time it seemed like a good idea that we wouldn't air it. And then once every one out went to hunt mountain lions with hounds with a friend of mine and went and spent six days hunting and didn't get anything came back. went back out again. It's been, I think, seven days hunting didn't get anything. And at that point, we just had to. So then we cut that into one. And oftentimes, the winds up being that, um, not oftentimes, almost like the Norman way is people will then pick those out as their favorite shows. Really? Yeah. And I think it gets back to that thing I was talking about earlier, like, is, um, is that whole thing of like, courting uncertainty? Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And like things that are challenging and things you won't figure out. So I think people like to see that represent it. Also, I'll say that there's a big rift in in hunting as experienced by the American sportsman in hunting as seen on hunting television, you know. For me growing up like we was thier hunting deer the bow on October one and you could hunt deer right up almost the rifle season which was November 15th and you had 10 days of the hunt with a rifle then you'd pick your bow back up and you'd hunt to December 31st and It would be plausible that you would hunt pretty hard through that whole thing and never get a deer It was just the thing that happened man. You would like you know most years you get there, but it'd be might not. And there's a lot of guys right now, right now it's turkey season. There's a lot of guys around this country facing the prospect that they work pretty hard on it five, six, seven days and they won't get a turkey. So I think that people, and I think that like the assumption is always that people do want to get something and they do. And so when they're watching something like when they're watching television, it's a form of escapism. And so you want to see people achieve what you wish you achieved, you know, and so there would be a thing like you'd want to go and see like I dream of killing a big buck. I want to watch a guy shoot 10 big bucks, you know, and that's like one form of entertainment, but I think at the same time people like to see in some way their life reflected back to him.
SPEAKER_06
01:03:14 - 01:03:25
I think more and more people actually are going the route that you just described. They want to see that that authentic experience, especially because a lot of reality TV now is very unrealistic. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
01:03:25 - 01:03:29
Hey, man, you got to pull up to that Mike. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's okay. It's just it's so hard.
SPEAKER_06
01:03:29 - 01:03:32
Yeah, no. But a lot of reality TV right now is not really reality.
SPEAKER_00
01:03:32 - 01:03:33
Yeah. It's scripted.
SPEAKER_06
01:03:33 - 01:03:43
Yeah. And so there is something completely unscripted. You know it's real if you're watching meat eater and you don't get anything. I think you know that's a real show. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
01:03:43 - 01:03:46
I know that really happened. Yeah. It wasn't like we actually got a bunch of stuff.
SPEAKER_06
01:03:46 - 01:04:09
And it's not gonna be better to just, you know, show that sometimes you do exactly. Yeah. But you know, and that's the thing. I mean, you talked to anybody who's hunted for for any amount of time. And a huge part of the hunting is is about going out with the guys that that you're going hunting with. And it's about the experience. It's not about what you bring home in terms of the the the game. Right. That's what you bring home up here and in here.
SPEAKER_02
01:04:10 - 01:04:25
Yeah, I think it's important to show that you don't always get something because it's a real show. Everything you're doing is real. And that's a part of the whole thing. It's got to be a part of the whole presentation.
SPEAKER_03
01:04:25 - 01:04:29
It also lends to the drama. Yeah. Actually, when there are some shows, you don't get it.
SPEAKER_02
01:04:29 - 01:04:50
It's now that our dad cheap one was a great one. Even though you didn't get one, it's just like seeing you in the dusk where it was just getting like, you're like, I need five more minutes. Five more minutes of fucking light and you just couldn't get it. Like shit. Like you had it. You had it right in your sights. That's real. The mountain line thing is real. And I wanted to talk to you about the mountain line thing for a couple of minutes.
SPEAKER_00
01:04:50 - 01:05:17
I want to add one thing to the what you're saying. I do want to talk about the mountain line thing because the Jaguar thing too, but yeah. We did have a guy email one time. All the emails you get like people saying. I love that you show like some failure. We had to email from a guy who was violent. He'll never watch the show again. because he has enough failure in his life. And doesn't want to see. And doesn't want to see other people fail.
SPEAKER_01
01:05:17 - 01:05:18
That's hilarious. So awesome.
SPEAKER_03
01:05:18 - 01:05:20
I got to appreciate that guy.
SPEAKER_02
01:05:24 - 01:05:30
That's a fucking DB show. And if I tell you what, I watch Ted Newgeon every week, God damn many never messes.
SPEAKER_03
01:05:30 - 01:05:37
That's like Steve Burns joke where a girl calls up and she's like, you know, if it gets what almost happened, he's like nothing because it was almost click.
SPEAKER_02
01:05:37 - 01:05:54
Ted Newgeon shoots, he'll shoot three deer with a bow and arrow in the first five minutes of his show. And I'm not bullshit. He shot three deer with clothes and arrows. Yeah. I mean, it's, and my, my favorite part about it, after he shoots a deer, he goes, can you believe that?
SPEAKER_01
01:05:54 - 01:05:57
I believe he just fucking did, he just shot one five minutes ago.
SPEAKER_02
01:05:58 - 01:06:12
I don't know what kind of limits Ted Newgeon has at his back yard. I don't know if it's like a land management issue, you know, where you can make the call if you got a high fence operation in Texas, like how many of these are you taking out?
SPEAKER_00
01:06:12 - 01:06:13
Yeah, you can do your own management.
SPEAKER_02
01:06:13 - 01:06:19
Yeah, that's management. He's sitting up there in a fucking tree stem blasting deer with his bow and arrow.
SPEAKER_00
01:06:19 - 01:07:22
Yeah, there's a lot of variability. It's surprised people that don't look like having familiar with hunting. One is surprised people that there's regulations at all. Sometimes, like if you grow up, you know, I have friends in New York who are pleasantly surprised to hear that wild game is managed. Right. And I think also beyond that, it's surprising to people the variations from the different states, their strategy in Holler Managing. I think a lot of it comes down to how much of the state's public. And like Texas, they even got a school, got rid of school, trust land. So like, you used to be the one in every 36 sections belong to the state. And they could use that to either build schools on or use that land to fund school. construction and they threw mineral leasing or timber rights or whatever and at a point taxes even scrap that they even sold that off into private interest so they it's like there really is like public trust wildlife isn't as vital in the place like taxes because there's not publicly owned land with publicly owned wildlife on it
SPEAKER_02
01:07:23 - 01:07:25
You know, that's kind of crazy isn't it?
SPEAKER_00
01:07:25 - 01:07:48
Yeah, the state you take a state like everything is probably Yeah, you guys that you guys have humongous national forest Right there's a lot of public trust land and public trust wildlife in place that California so yet you have a you have the government plays a much stronger hand and a much more detail oriented hand and like What's happening all this stuff was our harvest like then in some states where it kind of tends to be like well, it's your land you figured out
SPEAKER_02
01:07:48 - 01:08:03
You are show on the mountain lions. One of the specific reasons I wanted to bring that up is because the idea of hunting with hogs or hunting with dogs rather is that would work off.
SPEAKER_03
01:08:03 - 01:08:10
Why can't I get a mountain lion with these stupid hogs?
SPEAKER_02
01:08:10 - 01:08:14
Dude, I'm sorry my iPhone road hogs. I may need trained dogs.
SPEAKER_03
01:08:15 - 01:08:17
Fuck man, I was confused.
SPEAKER_01
01:08:17 - 01:08:22
I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused.
SPEAKER_03
01:08:22 - 01:08:23
I was confused.
SPEAKER_01
01:08:23 - 01:08:23
I was confused.
SPEAKER_03
01:08:23 - 01:08:26
I was confused. I was confused. I was confused. I was confused.
SPEAKER_02
01:08:26 - 01:09:09
I was confused. Um, but California doesn't allow anymore coincidentally I saw a mountain line Last week in Santa Barbara. Yeah small mountain line wasn't very big. I thought it was a coyote at first because but it wasn't you know coyotes they move kind of stiff this thing have like this bounce to it That's a tail. That's so important Yeah, wasn't a bobcat? No, it was a tail at a long tail was mountain line. It was probably 70 pounds Wow
SPEAKER_00
01:09:09 - 01:10:02
Yeah, I think you're seeing like, and I don't mean to say, I hate to, I don't want to sound like, you know, like, taking cheap shots at California or anything, but you're seeing a pretty, uh, a real erosion of, um, you know, hunting right, like a gradual, not even grab, a pretty steady erosion of hunting right at some California. There was a debate, but that's why it's easy because there's a thing that there's a thing, I mentioned this somewhere in some of that wrote, where you can go to American, like you can go to the American public and say like yes or no, like do you approve of regulated hunting, okay? And you get the vast majority of Americans, it's something ridiculous, like 74% or 75% of Americans will say like yes I approve of hunting, but then you start asking them specifics. You know, like, well, how about hunt with dogs?
SPEAKER_02
01:10:02 - 01:10:03
Right.
SPEAKER_00
01:10:03 - 01:10:48
And then those numbers start to go down. Right. When you start because because you can come as it's easy to sell people on the idea, it's easy to sell people who've never seen a hunting dog that were never experienced with a hunt dog have never laid eyes on a line. It's easy to sell them on the idea that somehow there's no challenge in it. Right. No. And so then you can you can a way to chip away like a way to chip away at Liberty, like personal liberty and stuff, it's just to do like one little thing at a time. You know, we'll do this, and we'll do that, we'll do this, we'll do that. And so like, we'll never be a thing like, well, ban hunting. It'll be that you can't hunt on this kind of land, you know, you can't this kind of animal this way. Well, in fact, we don't want you hunting that kind of animal at all. And you see that in certain places. Colorado's had some experience with that.
SPEAKER_06
01:10:48 - 01:10:56
There was a demo, you got the lead ammo ban in the California Condor range that they're trying to expand statewide so you couldn't use lead ammo to hunt at all.
SPEAKER_03
01:10:59 - 01:11:50
I heard a big debate about this mountain line issue and one of the things that the guy from the fishing game wildlife service set is when you guys don't realize is if you're actually a preservationist the majority of money that we collect to preserve the land you like to hike in comes from hunters. It comes from hunting licenses. That's where the Fish and Wildlife Service and these different organizations that are responsible for maintenance of the land that is hunted, hiked on, and camped on. That's the 90th some crazy amount 95% some crazy amount I can't remember the percentage comes from hunters and the do's and fees they have to pay to hunt that land so I think that the debate has to be couched in those terms too if you really wanted to get rid of hunters we wouldn't have revenue to actually maintain
SPEAKER_02
01:11:51 - 01:12:35
Well, I think there's also this part need to appease a certain liberal sub part of the population that is very uncomfortable with hunting in the first place and would like to look at people hunting with dogs. Okay, Jesus Christ, that's part of Eric, you're sickened dogs on them and then you're shooting them. It's a poor defensible sound. I understand that. But there's, especially when it comes to predators, there's a population management issue that they're not willing to address. And if you don't address that, you're going to deal with it in the suburbs. OK, they just shot a fucking mountain line with the tranquilizer darting Glendale the other day. Yeah, it's all in the news. And they killed that one in Santa Monica a year ago that was 90 fucking pounds. I saw one in Santa Barbara the other day. I mean, I'm not comfortable with those things like getting more popular.
SPEAKER_00
01:12:35 - 01:14:11
Yeah, I'm never I'm never comfortable with terms like like overpopulated because it's just like I don't know really how to define it, but overpopulated in the sense that you're going to wind up seeing impacts that might be counter to what it is you're going after you know like you'll lose in in fringe areas you might lose species to to predation and have predation have a serious effect on species that you may be will want back at some is now what happened with wolves in Yellowstone is now what is happening Yeah, they're having a radical radical decline. A radical, very localized decline in elk and moose, okay? And it's hard for people. If you look at a map of the country and what used to be wolf territory and then at the time of European contact, it was wolf country. The country, you know, the entire nation was in somewhere in other had had wolves, not the entire place, but a lot of had wolves. Now, let's say you're a guy, and you live in Colorado, all right? And you're here to their hunting wolves in Montana. You're probably thinking, but we don't even have wolves in Colorado, or we do, but there's not many, and it's kind of controversial, whether it's a stable breeding population or not. And you're telling me that they're killing them right up in Montana, because hard for people to visualize the localized impact of these things. So you can have too many wolves in Montana, and then jump down through Wyoming in the end of Colorado, and you could have not enough. Why is that?
SPEAKER_03
01:14:11 - 01:14:15
Well, I guess they stay within a certain territory. They stay within a certain territory.
SPEAKER_00
01:14:15 - 01:14:36
They stay within a certain territory. And they have a really, I mean, they have a profound effect on stuff. You have to think like, Have you guys been the Yellowstone National Park? When I was a kid. Yellowstone National Park, you know, the last, like, Yellowstone National Park was hunted for, you know, 9 or 10,000 years. I think the oldest artifacts they've found that they have reliably data from Yellowstone, something like a spear point from 9,000 years ago.
SPEAKER_02
01:14:36 - 01:14:37
That was mine.
SPEAKER_00
01:14:37 - 01:15:52
Yeah, it was. But the last 100 years, no one's hunted it. Yellowstone Park, when Yellowstone Park became a part, there was still an Indian war. Like the Ness' person went through there and killed some tourists while they were fleeing the U.S. military. Okay. After that, they banned hunting Yellowstone National Park. Anyone who goes the Yellowstone National Park now will see the way the elk and everything just has no concern for humans. They've ruled out the humans are troublesome. So you have this long absence of no wolves in that ecosystem. And when you put wolves back in, it's just taking those animals a really long time to figure out, to get back to knowing what's going to be. And so we hadn't flated, we hadn't flated numbers of elk and some would argue and flated numbers of elk, some would argue and flated numbers of moose. And what the wolves came back is just I mean, just plowed them into the ground. There's toddlers hurt mountain ranges that maybe had 9,000 now they're down the less than 2,000 home. I was talking with a guy from a conservation organization that deals with elk and they're looking at the very real probability of if the wool situation ever does get under control in the area of having to reintroduce elk into some mountain ranges because there's a positive reading age female.
SPEAKER_02
01:15:52 - 01:15:54
Oh God, because they're all getting killed by wolves.
SPEAKER_06
01:15:54 - 01:16:01
And it's just and like Jesus, but you still have groups that are trying to stop the wolf hunts in Montana in Idaho.
SPEAKER_03
01:16:01 - 01:16:11
Well, the problem is also I heard you can't actually you can't shoot your way out of this problem when it comes to wolves in fact. Yeah, I'm trying to hear that. Yeah, but then that, that, that, that, that poise box is and all that.
SPEAKER_02
01:16:11 - 01:16:12
Drone. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03
01:16:12 - 01:16:13
You're talking, Joe.
SPEAKER_02
01:16:13 - 01:16:32
Look, I've never been a fan of wolves. People, uh, try to pretend they're dogs and get all attached to them because, you know, it looks like your colleague. That's a fucking wolf and that'll eat you and they've eaten people before. In fact, I, I told the story on the podcast about France. France, did I say it, Brian? France? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
SPEAKER_00
01:16:33 - 01:16:44
I mean, no one's really, I mean, I don't think there's any real argument you made that there's a human risk. No, yeah. The highway. No, but because there's an argument you made that there's an ecological risk.
SPEAKER_02
01:16:44 - 01:18:00
I think there's still a human risk. I think if you get around a big pack of them and you just a child happens to be in that area while that's called going down someone sneaks out of a house and they have a farm and like There's a story I read online about this woman who was watching these wolves tear apart sheep in her backyard. It was fucking wild on the way around. She said they got into this they had a pen of sheep and they got in and it was like four or five wolves were just running through ripping these sheep apart and you just heard these horrific noises of tearing and growling and Horrible sheep screams all this It's just looking out the window watching this going holy fuck Imagine that that's going down in your yard and then they know that this is a place where food is I think it's a timber wall think it's like 120 hundred thirty thousand yeah Well, they're the real big ones that they're experiencing now. I mean, these these deer are getting very large from eating all these elk and eating all these deer that didn't know they were coming. There's people that are shooting them. They're taking pictures of them and you would swear it's a Photoshop. These are enormous fucking wolves. You're like guys hold them and the thing like looks as long as them. I mean, I don't know what it waves. I mean, it's more than 150 pounds. They're big dogs or big wolves.
SPEAKER_00
01:18:01 - 01:18:19
I actually like, you know, I don't want to get rid of all the wolves, man. Like I support wolf recovery. Kim, you go, I mean, you deal with wild, not so much wildly politics, but sort of like public perception of public opinion. Would you say that, I mean, Hunters being billed as being wanted to destroy walls, but I think it's not really, that's not what I hear.
SPEAKER_06
01:18:19 - 01:19:00
No, it's not about destroying the wolf. Put that mic up, put that mic up. It's about getting that balance back. Right. I mean, that's the thing. So you've got these groups that are out there trying to stop the wolf hunt. They want to put the wolf back on the endangered species list, even though the wolf is no longer endangered. The wolf isn't threatened in these areas. Again, these local areas that we're talking about here in the state of Idaho, the state of Montana. There is a way to try to manage the wildlife so you get that balance. But right now, what you've seen is sort of, it's out of whack and right now the wolf has the advantage and we're continuing to give the advantage to the wolf in some of these states. And I think that's why you're trying to, that's where that battle comes in right now. Well, one wants to see, I don't think anybody wants to see wolfs.
SPEAKER_02
01:19:00 - 01:19:51
There's these people, these unrealistic urban people, and that's really what it boils down to. The people that are really almost all the people that are against hunting or against the idea of wildlife management, almost all of them live in cities. When people live in a place where you have to contend with it, Someone has to be the top predator. And if it's not going to be a person, it's not going to be people. And you're living around these animals, it's going to be them. And that's just the reality of the food chain of life. If you're a meek person and you're wandering around through the woods and you stumble into a pack of hungry wolves and haven't seen an elk because it decimated the population, don't kill you. I mean, that's real, especially if you might not happen might not happen, but it's happened before a woman died in Alaska recently. She was killed by wolves and she was also wearing an elk sweater.
SPEAKER_00
01:19:51 - 01:20:18
Yeah, that was the first documented case in a long time. Yeah, like 100 years. And in that state, I think that 90% of the 95% of traditional wolf habitat in Alaska is still occupied by wolves. Wow. And they have very, very few fatalities. I think that moose kill more people. Yeah, they do. They're at any else. Yellowstone National Park, the greatest cause of injury now. Yellowstone National Park is getting dored by Buffalo.
SPEAKER_03
01:20:18 - 01:20:34
My parents live in Utah in Park City. You know what they always tell you? The locals, they go, hey, be careful of moose. Please don't think of them as deer. Do not approach them. And what do people do? They're like, there's a moose. Gonna take a picture on the moose. It's like, nah, I'm gonna trample you now. People get killed by moose.
SPEAKER_06
01:20:34 - 01:21:12
Yeah, they'll fuck you out. People who grow up in urban areas, only living urban areas, have very unrealistic expectations of what animals are. They have this anthropomorphic, you know, it's the stopper, and it's bambi and they don't understand. No, you know, I just became a farmer now so I have pigs and I have chickens and I it's so completely different actually like sit down and study these animals are you doing it for for your for a business or you doing it for meat for the provide for yourself. Yes all of the above. I mean eventually I like to get to the point where I can sell some you know we're doing heritage livestock and
SPEAKER_02
01:21:12 - 01:21:33
I was just super just doing something like this recently. I was like it seems like if you have resources and you could get a plot of land and hire people to take care of it and grow it and have animals that you slaughter there and have food that you grow there like why wouldn't you do that if you could do that why wouldn't you do that right absolutely but you know it's like yeah
SPEAKER_06
01:21:34 - 01:21:57
It drives me crazy to hear these people say oh, but look the pig is smiling in the pig is happy and the pig is the pig loves you and how are you gonna kill that pig and turn it into bacon? I'm telling you the pig doesn't love me the pig the pig is a pig the pig doesn't know in my love I mean I'm a lovable guy, but Yeah, I be honest with you. The point is you are this I think it will talk later a good way to look at man thoughts that pants some man thoughts together
SPEAKER_02
01:21:57 - 01:22:13
Good way to look at his position is not going to lose forever. If you don't kill that big, it's not going to turn into a fairy and care cancer. It's a fucking pig. It would be about 15 in the daytime. I mean, I can tell you. If you don't eat him before they die, you lose all the delicious meat.
SPEAKER_06
01:22:13 - 01:22:19
This pig, the pigs that I have in my farm would not exist. And last we were going to eat them.
SPEAKER_02
01:22:19 - 01:22:28
That's the only one we could make your own kids and start eating them. Well, we were to be like this earlier. I made kids because where I live a good child.
SPEAKER_06
01:22:28 - 01:22:36
See, I made kids for the free labor. See, I've got, unlike Steve, I've got five. And hell, yeah, it's about doing the children. Isn't all the stuff I don't want to do? I'm not there, I'm on my yard.
SPEAKER_05
01:22:36 - 01:22:38
It's about the kids.
SPEAKER_00
01:22:38 - 01:22:46
How many, how many do you have to pull up? Three. Oh, you have three. Yeah. So you, you don't have a facility where you would do this.
SPEAKER_02
01:22:47 - 01:22:53
this air agriculture. No, no, I don't, but I would think about buying a piece of land. No, just getting something positive.
SPEAKER_00
01:22:53 - 01:23:01
That's a good idea, man. Look at me because it'd be like prominent podcasts, holes, comic, actor, and farmer.
SPEAKER_02
01:23:01 - 01:23:32
I think it makes, it's a, well, I have chickens, you know, just recently got chickens, so that I could eat their eggs. But I've been thinking about this for a while, like everybody's like worried about GMO foods and everybody's worried about like you know Monsanto and they're worried about what's organic what's not organic and what are the standards? If you grow your own shit, you know exactly what it is and you could take care of your soil Italy still Italy if you go through I took a train going to Italy He's trying to become sophisticated. Everyone in their backyard grows their own food. Like it's so common.
SPEAKER_03
01:23:32 - 01:23:38
My grandfather did not have a big yard in New Jersey, but every part of the get coconut water, what do you want? You want a coffee? You ever have bulletproof coffee?
SPEAKER_02
01:23:54 - 01:23:55
Do y'all pull a proof coffee?
SPEAKER_00
01:23:55 - 01:23:56
Do we have to explain it to me?
SPEAKER_02
01:23:56 - 01:24:09
Yeah, but a proof coffee is not just no mold. Do we have anymore? Okay, makes more. Yeah, I want to trouble. It's not trouble. We're here. We're party and let's get this freaking in. You want beers and I'm in on beer?
SPEAKER_03
01:24:09 - 01:24:10
I beg your pardon.
SPEAKER_02
01:24:10 - 01:24:20
Yeah. Yeah. A couple beers. Hey, Jamie, bring out some beers, man. That's right, son. Dick party. What? Dick party in the mouth, Doc.
SPEAKER_03
01:24:20 - 01:24:21
I said Dick party.
SPEAKER_02
01:24:21 - 01:24:31
Now I am a boner. I forgot exactly what we were talking about. Gardeners. And yeah, thank you for coming to Farmer. The idea has been fucking around with me for the past couple of months.
SPEAKER_04
01:24:32 - 01:24:34
I didn't know you got chickens, man. You could just have them right at your house.
SPEAKER_02
01:24:34 - 01:24:36
Yeah, built a chicken coop.
SPEAKER_04
01:24:36 - 01:24:38
Do you have somebody taking care of it? Or is it just real easy?
SPEAKER_02
01:24:38 - 01:24:39
No, it's not that hard.
SPEAKER_03
01:24:39 - 01:24:45
I just, I just built a planter. I didn't mind. Yeah. I had a planter built.
SPEAKER_02
01:24:45 - 01:25:42
I just think it's a great idea. And I think that the idea of relying on somebody else for your own food ultimately is like, why would you do that if you have the resources? Yep. You know, and zero and one left, is it what is? Bring them all out. Um, the, um, the, you know, the idea that we, we all rely on supermarkets. You know, well, you look at what happened with Hurricane Sandy, New York, I'd shut down. I was talking to my buddy Tommy. He's like, I had to drive hours just to be able to use my cell phone. The towers were down. Everything was down. There's no power. Everything was fucked. and you know him talking about his like dude that was scarier shit man he goes because I realize like this whole thing is like very fragile like if you don't know where your food's coming from he goes went to the supermarket it was just insane it was just empty shelf after empty shelf people had just taken everything there was nothing left so there's not a supply Sam what about water we don't have water reserves I say in my basement now I'm getting to be like an old rude man where I save them
SPEAKER_00
01:25:43 - 01:27:04
freeze-dried food and stuff in my base. Very smart. But I still haven't done the water things when you got to do. I got to get, you know, watch it. The farm and deal home farm. My brother, he has those pack-loms. You see those pack-loms? Yeah, I love those things. So, he bought a 10 acre pasture. Like a very unpicture-ass, just like a irrigated pasture. And realize his loms have just in habit, like a back corner when he used diddly of his pasture. So just because he's just a pragmatic resourceful person. And he thought it's out there. It's getting wet and growing grass. So he started putting out lambs and he put out goats. Now he's got a calf out there. And this guy, he hunts so much. So he hunts all of his own meat and he eats the meaty hunts. And he just puts it out there and takes care of it and makes sure he has water. And then like gives all that stuff to his friends. who come over and butcher the lands and take them home and feed them to their kids. It just kind of a sense of like If the land's there, you know what I mean? It's like it's there. It's been manipulated by man. It's not like he's preserving some kind of like, you know, primeval ecosystem. It's just an irrigated pasture valve, phalpha. Right. He's like, why not just have that be, like, have output? Right. Can I just place them to look out my window and be like, it's producing. Yeah. Yeah, producing things.
SPEAKER_03
01:27:04 - 01:27:13
When you have, when you have a acre of land or whatever that is, and it's, he's growing out alpha. Is that all you need for the animal to live basically? Did you just put it out there and they just live on that?
SPEAKER_00
01:27:13 - 01:27:54
Well, I'm delving way into stuff I don't understand now, but I know that can't price because it's better because he's got alfalfa, but it's an old alfalfa field. So I think people typically in some areas, I know, replant alfalfa every seven years because eventually the alfalfa loses out to other plant species. It's my understanding, I don't know for sure, that there's a lot of animals. If you go out and put them on just that, I'm sure there's a lot of guys that know a lot about this like cringing right now. If you go and put it on just alfalfa it's considered to be like a hot food and they'll they'll over eat it's too rich and they can damage themselves if you put them out on just like pure alfalfa.
SPEAKER_02
01:27:54 - 01:27:59
That's interesting because I read the deer that eat out of alfalfa fields are delicious that they actually have like a little more.
SPEAKER_00
01:27:59 - 01:28:05
Yeah, some species can hack it by no I think that I've been told that horses say this makes sense to you.
SPEAKER_06
01:28:06 - 01:28:18
a little bit more pig and chicken as opposed to a lamb and stuff because that makes sense without foul for making the deer taste better. Yeah, I think what but the deer is not going to just be eating out foul for either. I mean the deer is going to be, you know, roaming and getting a lot of colors.
SPEAKER_03
01:28:18 - 01:28:26
I like how much land is a farmer? Do you need to grow, you know, your own meat and your own vegetables? Not much.
SPEAKER_06
01:28:26 - 01:29:41
I mean really not much you could do it on so we've got forty acres but right now we're only using about four we've got you know we've got our big garden we've got our chickens that are free-ranging we've got the pigs we're going to be getting some dairy goats and really like you know you know you know and really four acres is we don't even use all that space I mean they're spread out the pigs are over here the chickens are over here uh... you know the goats are out in another out of pasture you guys could read you guys could feed like 30 people off 40 acres where we're way more that's why you know eventually like what we want to do is is to get into the business side of it and to start you know selling some stuff and and really even like some of the vegetables uh... you know i want to do a uh... what do you know what do your pigs what do you feed your pigs so right now that's all Yeah, we have pig feet right now that they sell like big old dog food bags. We're going to attractor supply and get 50 pound bags of pig feet. They they eat the roots in the pig pan and then we're going to well we're about ready to move them out to a bigger area that's going to be about an acre and they'll they'll wander around they'll eat you know what when I was a kid never stop
SPEAKER_02
01:29:44 - 01:30:48
When I was a kid in my stepdad, he was in school and one of the agriculture classes that he had to take was like, it was co-op farm that people in the school all did together. They had animals and they grew plants. I mean, it was like a pretty like involved thing. And I remember even as a kid saying, what a cool idea, the idea that they all like chip in together, everybody does like a little piece of something and everyone sort of communicates what needs to get done. And if you think about that in a real neighborhood man, You can have as long as you had the soil and as long as you had the resources to get it started and then you know make it so it's self-sufficient. If you had a sizable piece of land and everybody sort of chipped in and you grew livestock and you grew plants and you know you fed them and everything like it seems like would be so economically manageable. I mean, like people would get all their food. Imagine if like we all got all our food from like a lot down the corner where we all knew that this goat had eaten all these food that we had given it. And you know, you knew exactly where the tomato came from because you put the fucking seed in the ground.
SPEAKER_03
01:30:48 - 01:31:24
This is happening to the point where in cities now, they have flat bed trucks that you can rent. Where you have a flat bed truck, they got a bunch of soil on that flat bed truck. They're also doing it on roofs. And so what you people are doing is getting time shares and saying, I want to buy a share of that flat bed truck. flat bed truck comes out you garden it you take your vegetables for the day and it moves on to the next house also they're doing it with like there's a lot of roof space like in China they built a whole city I guess where the roofs are basically planters to grow the food for the city
SPEAKER_06
01:31:24 - 01:31:31
I just saw a story out of Chicago where they're using like some of the old warehouses. And they're just turning them into indoor farms.
SPEAKER_02
01:31:31 - 01:32:20
You see those two CIA workers whose house got broken into in Kansas. The fucking DEA came in guns blazing because they thought these people were growing weed. And there was former CIA agents and they were growing tomatoes and vegetables in their basement. They had a whole hydroponic vegetable system set up with lights. Well, these assholes drive around looking for a heat signature from your home that shows that you're using some extraordinary amount of light, which mostly people are using to grow wheat. So they come in fucking guns out and, you know, DEA dogs and Yo, pit no pond. It's two fucking former CIA agents going, you crazy assholes. The fuck is wrong with you. How about you knock on the door? I show you my badge and my fucking tomatoes.
SPEAKER_00
01:32:20 - 01:32:22
Right. You know, I want to, I want to. Right.
SPEAKER_01
01:32:22 - 01:32:29
I want you to do a fucking search of the guy who lives there. Oh, it's that CIA guy.
SPEAKER_02
01:32:29 - 01:32:35
Let's fucking, let's, let's go arrest him in his wife. They're probably selling weed, CIA, it makes sense.
SPEAKER_03
01:32:35 - 01:32:36
Yeah, exactly. Crazy.
SPEAKER_00
01:32:36 - 01:35:18
Oh, mucks. We had to say having reason where it was like this perfect cohesion of hunting and farming. We were down in Florida, and we were hunting turkeys on this guy's ranch. And the guy keeps coming in and getting us because he wants us to go out at night and run hogs with his hound dogs. And what it is, he's got a cattle ranch. This is near Oak, Chobie Florida. And there's a, I heard two figures, 55,000 or 45,000 acre nature preserve down there. It has a lot of rare native birds on it. And the nature preserves M.O. is they just acquire agricultural land. When it comes up for sale, they take out the dyke systems and put it back in the bird habitat. And it's funny because this guy actually has sold this preserve some of his land. And he is putting his whole place into a conservation easement so that at a time he's like my whole place is going to be part of that. And he was actually glad about it. He liked, he liked the preserve. a big enemy of the preserve is wild pigs, which consume a lot of ground nesting shorebird eggs. So they have a guy, the preserve is so tight, so tightly administered that you can't in most areas you can't walk around in there. And they have a guy that contracts to kill wild pigs, so this guy has a contract where he's supposed to kill X number of pigs every year. He can't in any way keep up with them. This guy that has this candle ranch likes to hunt pigs and he would always go back and hunt the the boundary between his ranch and the preserve because so many there's such a great influx of pigs coming off the preserve at night coming out of his ranch to get into the you know less utilized land and uh... but his dogs would chase him in the pigs of promptly run back into that preserve where he can pursue him so he gets some hog proof fence and builds a 400 acre enclosure a budding the preserve. On the wall of his fence that actually joins the preserve, he puts in trap doors. Hinge doors. Okay. So the pace can come in and out. And so in, but they can't go out. No, he, he props the door open. Okay. and he kind of watches and he's always out there checking for tracks and after a while he'll realize there's a lot of big traffic coming out of the preserve on his land then what he'll do he knows that they come out after dark they come on to his ranch and before day break they drift back to the preserve so he goes out for in the morning He's got these doors strung out. He's got a strung out for like a mile every 10 yards. Oh, that's the stick holding. That's the thing down pulls all the sticks. That's hilarious. And it cuts his dogs loose. Oh my god. So we go out with him right away.
SPEAKER_03
01:35:18 - 01:35:20
We're going to dogs like these pit bulls are
SPEAKER_00
01:35:21 - 01:35:43
Pippbull ask I'm not good dog, but not no he's got she's got bloodhounds over breakfast. He's got trailers and catchers. Yes, so different types of dogs. Yeah, his bloodhounds find them, but they won't he don't like to let the bloodhounds actually catch the pig as a pig. In fact one of his dog got really tore up, but um then he puts a holding dog out big pit bull like dog who secures the pig. The first pig we catch.
SPEAKER_02
01:35:43 - 01:35:46
I mean, just barely those Argentino dogs.
SPEAKER_03
01:35:46 - 01:35:52
Yeah, the first one we get.
SPEAKER_00
01:35:52 - 01:36:08
It's not even dark yet and he gets we get one. It's a big bore. And he's intact. He's got his nut sack on him still. And the guy like this one's not. Why does the dogs usually pull off? No, no. I'm getting a little bit ahead of myself. Just hold that piece of information from it. Not sack. He's got the nut sack.
SPEAKER_06
01:36:08 - 01:36:11
Hold the nut for a moment, Joe.
SPEAKER_00
01:36:11 - 01:37:50
And he says this won't be any good to eat. Like they're too lean. They got a lot of testosterone. They don't take good care of themselves. And he takes this pig. It's a big pig, you know. Not big and like not like the ones you see on the internet, but you know, a sizable 170 pound pig. And he puts it in a trailer just to can find in there. We go on a hunt again in a violated the dogs, bust this other pig out of a, out of a palm grove. They call the hammock like a island of palm trees out in the grasslands. And they catch it. And this pig's castrated. And it castrated like a bore that's been castrated as a barrel hog. And the incision where they had where the hog had been castrated is all healed up. And they told me that when we catch a bore, we always castrated. And then turn it back loose because two things happen. One, the pig. won't procreate, won't contribute to the problem that the Preserve is having. And the problem that he has for, you know, pigs on his land, ruin his area. And it'll, and it'll do what he says is, uh, take it's mind off grass and put it on, you know, take it's mind off ass and put it on the grass. And he says in 90 days, that bore will be fantastic eating. And they'll have a layer of fat on them. So we, but we cut the juggler on the castrated pig. and kept it for me and it smelled great and was beautiful. The next day, we go out with the bore we caught and they take a knife and castrate that bore and turn them out, knowing that sometime down the road, they'll be lucky and catch that bore again and he'll be a barrel and then he'll be good to eat. So these boys, these boys do this every week.
SPEAKER_03
01:37:50 - 01:37:54
How do you secure a bore of powerful bore head?
SPEAKER_00
01:37:55 - 01:38:31
Don't tell anyone I mean to dogs. It's amazing. He's watching the dogs take them hold the guys are cattle ranch. Yeah, these guys are cattle ranchers. So they I mean, it's a daily occurrence for them to wrestle like yeah one of the dog does it because they grabbed by the year grandma hadn't pinned them down. Now the tracking dogs caught the pig and the pig caught one of the tracking dogs real good and he was gonna take that dog to the vet and I asked him I bet you're vet probably You know, doesn't like you bring in dogs that probably they may have gotten injured in something that the vet might regard as unnecessary. Right. You goes, yeah, that's why I go to a vet who likes to run pigs with his dog.
SPEAKER_02
01:38:33 - 01:38:48
Well, once he started realizing how many pigs there are, especially Texas, his millions of pharaoh pay. Millions. They have a real millions. Millions. Millions. Millions. They have a real problem. Look, I know you don't like that show, Pigman. But I don't say that.
SPEAKER_00
01:38:48 - 01:39:00
There's just things. There's like, I have an anti-intellectuality. I have an aesthetic. I have a punching aesthetic and an approach to wildlife that I admire and that I try to stand by.
SPEAKER_02
01:39:00 - 01:39:35
No, I know you do we we had long conversations about it so helicopter gun ships are I You're there's but it's not really it's not my idea Honey, it's not really hunting I mean what they're doing is they're getting away with being psychopaths and If you haven't seen it Brian pull it up. It's so it's a eradication of it's pigman and Ted Newjet shoot pigs from a helicopter I give all the money to the needy Oh, yeah, look. Looks end by the way. It's a real fucking problem. They really do have to eradicate these these populations of pigs. They they tear up the mean they show these crops that are getting fucked up by these pigs in the episode.
SPEAKER_03
01:39:35 - 01:39:38
I want I want to let's go hunting.
SPEAKER_02
01:39:38 - 01:39:43
But I want to ask you. What is the the one with his nuts taste like you didn't tell us that?
SPEAKER_00
01:39:43 - 01:39:45
We haven't cooked yet. We're cooking it on April 25th.
SPEAKER_02
01:39:45 - 01:39:47
But it won't be as good you don't think?
SPEAKER_00
01:39:47 - 01:41:00
I'm sorry. No, no. We, okay, on April 25th, I'm cooking the bastard, the barrel hog. Right. Now, I have eaten boars with their nuts, but I've never eaten a boar that was as aged and as venerable as that one. You could tell that he was a very old, battle-scard, boar and very lean. And these guys, I might have eaten and thought it was okay. And it might be that these guys have very high expectations. you know, they pick on an offer they have a sense of like what's best most not best the same way that you might disregard a hot dog half a hot dog laying on the side of the road, but another person might be in a situation where they really appreciate that hot dog. So for these guys who hunt borers a lot, and eat them and like love to eat them they were like no and when I expressed interest in the in the intact talk being like I don't care I want it they were so adamant that it wouldn't be good that they were denying me getting it like they don't want and it wasn't because they were in love with the pig they're like no no we'll get you good and we'll get you going that was no good for you
SPEAKER_02
01:41:01 - 01:41:07
Maybe that was their take on more. I tend to like lean or meet anyway.
SPEAKER_00
01:41:07 - 01:41:30
But I will tell you this. When they do and you know, I'm pretty, I've done a few, I've done a bit of pick on it. And they can get where they do have quite an older tune. And this board just stoned like, you know, but this come from guy who will eat black bears that have been feeding on salmon. Right. And what does that like dead salmon?
SPEAKER_02
01:41:30 - 01:41:34
It's like the meat that meat tastes like rotten salmon.
SPEAKER_00
01:41:34 - 01:42:31
Yeah, because I'm telling you man, like the fat is so the fat just carries. There's a book on the side of the Harold McGee's book on cooking the science and lore of cooking or science lore of the kitchen. He has an explanation there why animal fat is such a reliable indicator of what the animals have been up to. I should we show that on you. Yeah, refer your listeners to that rather than try to explain myself. But you show it on your show when you fan shot that bear with that a deep and blue boom. It's just like unbelievable. And you can just drink the fat. You can melt the fat and drink it in a taste good. Now the fat on a salmon bear you really have to carefully and this is in the spring when they haven't actually eaten a salmon in six months or something. Yet the very carefully trim that fat away. Then the flesh becomes more palatable. but it's just like kind of a trotter's now got a friend of Montana he shot a barrel of a overriding collar one time same thing he thought was nearly an edible.
SPEAKER_02
01:42:31 - 01:42:35
So what do you do when that when you have that situation? Do you continue to eat the animal?
SPEAKER_00
01:42:35 - 01:43:51
Yeah, I respect. Like if something, if I'm eating meat that's great, okay, super high quality meat, I cook it in a high quality way where I do as little to it as possible. I'll take a lot, like, you know, we ate some pretty straight up meat when we were out. Yeah, right. Basically animal. Like just like meat, delicious. Cooked to warm. Yeah. Was salt on it. You know, so good me know do that if I get an animal that's that's funky not and I killed a female pig one time that was probably one of the worst game animals I've ever done a I'm just gonna eat it okay. It's like for me Any displeasure I experience eating off-tasting flesh isn't as bad as the displeasure that I would experience from having killed a big game animal and not consumed it. That's a very great statement. So for me, I'm going to eat it. And whether I make pepperoni sticks, if it's bad, I make pepperoni sticks. I eat the thing, you know, and I haven't always done it like I've explained you many times, I used to do a lot of fur trapping, you know, sell animals first. But now at this point in my life and like my relationship with the hunting now, I, you know, like to eat what I hunt for. To the point, I mean, we ate a coyote not long ago, we're down in Mexico. So how is it? How is it?
SPEAKER_03
01:43:51 - 01:43:58
How is it? You're the only person on the planet. This is what's great about the podcast. We had a podcast in the next one.
SPEAKER_01
01:43:58 - 01:44:01
I never thought I'd be someone who ate a fucking coyote.
SPEAKER_03
01:44:01 - 01:44:04
That's as weird as saying, I killed people sometimes.
SPEAKER_02
01:44:04 - 01:44:08
Oh my god. Why did you eat a coyote? That's great.
SPEAKER_00
01:44:08 - 01:44:32
Oh my god. Why did you eat a coyote? That's great. Oh my god. People up at times will show up. So the people so often. I get asked, like as the guy that's eaten stuff. I get asked all the time, like, what does it like to eat this? What does it like to eat that? And I have fielded the question about what's like to eat a kiosk so many times that I started to feel like it was professional, you know, mouthfeasants for me to not have a good answer.
SPEAKER_02
01:44:32 - 01:44:35
You know, to be like a professional mouthfeasants. This is not ever good answer.
SPEAKER_00
01:44:35 - 01:44:42
What a fucking kiosk. Yeah. So it's like as professional development, I wanted to know, and we got a kiosk.
SPEAKER_02
01:44:42 - 01:44:45
And so you have to eat the whole kiosk now in your mind.
SPEAKER_00
01:44:46 - 01:45:25
We ate like well, there's a handful of us there and we put the vast majority of that thing down And we burned the hair off. We burned all the hair off it and then roasted it. Wow. I was skinned on. What a taste. Well, I got to steal like the best description. I got to steal this from my buddy. Remy Warren, I was on with. And Remy Warren tasted it and he and this is like esoteric comparison. Remy Warren tasted it. He's a hunting guy and he said, uh, it tastes like overcooked diver duck. That's the cool side coming.
SPEAKER_02
01:45:25 - 01:45:32
Folks, you don't know. You explained this to us on the trip to there's diver docks and floaters. Is that what they call the other ones?
SPEAKER_00
01:45:32 - 01:45:48
Yeah, like a like a non biological taxonomy with docks would be like puddle docks and diver docks and people call them dabbler docks. So docks that don't go underwater to hunt.
SPEAKER_02
01:45:48 - 01:45:50
And the ducks that eat fish are the ones you don't want to eat.
SPEAKER_00
01:45:50 - 01:45:58
And divers eat a lot, divers eat a lot more animal matter. And diver ducks and puddle ducks eat a lot more vegetation.
SPEAKER_02
01:45:58 - 01:46:07
See, but to you, that expression, an overcooked diver duck totally made sense. Yeah. Folks on the subway right now, I'm going, I don't know. What the fuck is this guy talking about? A fucking overcooked diver duck.
SPEAKER_03
01:46:07 - 01:46:15
What am I going to do that to me? I'm going to make sure my eating's like, I don't like, I'm going to make sure my eating's like, man, this takes a lot like diver duck. Thanks.
SPEAKER_02
01:46:16 - 01:46:22
Yeah, um, you had a couple shots on the the show at at Fezans, too, right?
SPEAKER_03
01:46:22 - 01:46:29
We couldn't wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
SPEAKER_00
01:46:47 - 01:47:10
I love mallard ducks, but if you get mallard ducks and southeast Alaska, like near my cabin, you can barely eat those mallard ducks because even though they're mallards, and in most areas they taste great, and southeast Alaska, those mallards in the late summer are just in their hammer and invertebrates. So they're hunting the tide line, eating expuls and invertebrates up in down there, and you get those ducks and they taste like Kyle.
SPEAKER_03
01:47:13 - 01:47:17
They're eating invertebrates, meaning the clam.
SPEAKER_00
01:47:17 - 01:47:19
It's so important. Yeah, little insects.
SPEAKER_02
01:47:19 - 01:47:51
That's what, you know, people who don't understand modern methods of farming and the way that animals are fed and the foods that they're fed don't understand the whole corn versus grass fed debate. We've talked about so many times in the podcast that people like hashtag things, grass fed, but it has nothing to do with it that they're just being silly. But cows are supposed to eat fucking grass. I try to ruin it when you give a cow's a corn. The whole thing is, it's like given a person a corn. Like, we get fat as fuck, you know? Well, cows often syrup and shit.
SPEAKER_03
01:47:51 - 01:47:56
Yeah, that's why they have four stomachs or whatever it is. And to break down that grass?
SPEAKER_02
01:47:56 - 01:48:08
Not only that, I bet you the corn doesn't grow as good magic mushrooms. I bet you the corn poop. I bet it's a fucking mess. It's not grass pumped through the stomach of a double-enulate cow. That's corn.
SPEAKER_03
01:48:08 - 01:48:09
We're using big words.
SPEAKER_02
01:48:09 - 01:48:16
You used to wear an upboard fucker, eating corn, growing abscesses in his body. Have you ever seen that a food day?
SPEAKER_03
01:48:16 - 01:48:19
That's why they have to, they grow their liver's abscess. That's why they have to give them an abominable.
SPEAKER_02
01:48:19 - 01:48:35
Meanwhile, God damn it's delicious. That's a problem. It's so good. A good rib eye, a fatty corn fed rib eye. Ooh! It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good
SPEAKER_03
01:48:36 - 01:48:49
But the best meat I've ever had in my life was a grass fed. It was a corn fed ribeye from Whole Foods. And I cooked that and I'm telling you, me and my buddy ate it and it was, it was just, you're probably high.
SPEAKER_02
01:48:49 - 01:48:50
You're probably high.
SPEAKER_03
01:48:50 - 01:48:51
I wasn't. I was, I was sober.
SPEAKER_02
01:48:52 - 01:49:05
I really have to, I think the best beat I've ever eaten. My life was two things. One, the liver and the heart of that, that deer that we ate. When we were sitting there by a campfire, chopping up and we had a cut around the bullet hole.
SPEAKER_03
01:49:05 - 01:49:09
We were also angry though, and we'd spent three days eating those bad mountain.
SPEAKER_02
01:49:09 - 01:49:16
I thought that bad. Doesn't, I'm telling you, I thought that those mountain bags were gonna taste way worse than they taste. I thought they were delicious.
SPEAKER_00
01:49:16 - 01:49:17
It's situational.
SPEAKER_02
01:49:18 - 01:49:20
Yeah, but it's not as good as the meat.
SPEAKER_00
01:49:20 - 01:49:37
No, we work with a guy. We work with a guy and he's like, I don't care about food. I just want to be full and then go do what I want to do. And so he's always talking about he's like, yeah, I'll be home and I'll be home and I'll eat for his dried food because it's just more efficient for me. I just want to be done and then go do what I want to do.
SPEAKER_02
01:49:38 - 01:49:47
Well, I can understand being obsessed with something else, but you know, you can enjoy food as well in a dumb fucker. No, like Jesus Christ. I like foods awesome.
SPEAKER_03
01:49:47 - 01:49:55
My buddy's a stuntman. I hit the back of the head of an accident and he lost his sense of smell and taste. Oh, and he doesn't care that much about food.
SPEAKER_02
01:49:55 - 01:50:06
That dude probably eats ass like a champion. I don't know can't seem to be the greatest ass eater in the universe. Who's gonna come back? Who's gonna come back? Who's gonna come back?
SPEAKER_03
01:50:17 - 01:50:28
What's a matter? What's matter? You don't stick your tongue in a girl's ass. You're gonna get shit on your tongue. So fucking what? I can't talk to you and he just walked away. I never said anything. Oh, I think it's make a little face.
SPEAKER_02
01:50:28 - 01:50:38
Who's your man? It's natural to make that face unless you've had four jack and cokes and you've been in that situation. We really try to impress a girl.
SPEAKER_03
01:50:38 - 01:50:40
We've all gotten in that sexual frenzy.
SPEAKER_02
01:50:40 - 01:50:46
Furs on, you son. You get in that frenzy. Do you have that video of the Ted Newjet Pigman Adventures?
SPEAKER_04
01:50:46 - 01:50:48
Well, they're there's just like a 30 second.
SPEAKER_02
01:50:48 - 01:51:31
Yeah, that's fine. Check this. I want Steve Reynolds take on this if you've never seen this before Ted Newjet and Pigman are in a fucking helicopter and the fucking crazy. It's now legal to hunt in Texas from helicopters! It is one of the most entertaining episodes of any television show I've ever seen in my life. It's watching Ted Newjet and Pigman take out wild hogs from a fucking helicopter. I'm like, this is some shit that after the fall of America, a thousand years from now when they're trying to decode our history, they're gonna watch that. That thing, they were like the whole leaf fuck. They were flying in helicopter's joke around about 10.
SPEAKER_04
01:51:31 - 01:51:36
He killed four hundred and 55 pigs that day.
SPEAKER_03
01:51:36 - 01:51:37
No. Yeah. 155? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
01:51:37 - 01:51:43
That's a lot of pigs. Those are some fat. Ted knew you killed four hundred and 55 pigs with a machine gun for my helicopter.
SPEAKER_04
01:51:43 - 01:51:44
For Bill Mar.
SPEAKER_02
01:51:44 - 01:51:54
Oh, Bill Mar is very, very happy. He's in Peter. Bill Mar. He has Bill Mar, like support's Peter, which by the way kills more cats and dogs than anybody.
SPEAKER_06
01:51:55 - 01:51:58
you know 96% of the animals like many of their shelter.
SPEAKER_02
01:51:58 - 01:52:20
Yeah, they put them down, which is, you know, I just don't even know what to say about that. That's like they get so crazy. It's like when is it okay to kill? And when is it not okay to kill? You're killing puppies and you're mad at people that are killing deer and they're eating them. Like I am losing the script here because that doesn't even make any fucking sense. That's one of the craziest, most ridiculously hypocritical things they've ever heard of in my life.
SPEAKER_06
01:52:22 - 01:52:34
When people go to Peter and say, you know, I've got a stray dog here. I found, you know, my puppy, my dog just had puppies. I don't know what to do with them. I'll give him to the animal lovers at Peter. These dogs die.
SPEAKER_02
01:52:34 - 01:53:32
Most of them, they put down because they have to because they don't have the resources to take care of those dogs. That doesn't matter. When you're looking at, I don't care if you don't have the resources. You're killing puppies and cats, okay? And by the way, you're trying to keep it secret, too. You don't go advertising and telling people, hey, listen, if you don't come and down and take these things as pets, we're going to kill them. No, you're doing it on the sneak tip and people have to find out about it through the internet. And then on top of that, you're criticizing people that are hunting and feeding their family with what they know to be a really healthy animal instead of this mystery fucking chain of command that happens when you buy a cheeseburger from Burger King, or wherever, would name your fast food joint, who knows what the fuck happened to that cow before it was converted into cheeseburgers. You know, you don't know what goddamn thing. It's the fact that they would go after one while killing puppies and kittens. That's that's insanity. That's that is insanity.
SPEAKER_00
01:53:32 - 01:53:43
You know a thing that rings false to me and you know I'm walking on like I got I got I got I got a tread delicately here on the issue of of the helicopter thing.
SPEAKER_02
01:53:43 - 01:53:46
But Can't deny the awesomeness of it.
SPEAKER_00
01:53:46 - 01:55:06
One thing that rings false to me though is when guys like when guys do So hard to put because like no matter what it's like Danny if you do Danny if you don't I'm gonna try to go for it When someone does like it if someone goes out and shoots a bunch of something because It's they're they're over-populated for a ranger It's like in some way you have to be self honest too and acknowledge that you're not just doing an altruistic act you know, like I enjoy it on, you know. So when I hunt on my body's ranch in California, I'm glad that he figures he has too many picks because it allows me to go pig hunting and I like to go pig hunting and I like to eat pigs. But I would never, like, I don't then say to my wife, I'm like, ah, I really don't want to do it. But my body's in trouble. He's got a lot of pigs. And I'm going to go out and as much as it's going to be a drag, I'm going to go out and help them because we need to fight our way through this pig problem. And we all need to give our share. Because if my buddy had called me and said, you know, I got a real problem with my fences are down. Can you come out and spend a weekend fixing all my fences? That really is the problem I have right now. I'm like, no, but we're those pigs up to having a problem with them.
SPEAKER_02
01:55:08 - 01:56:53
Well, it's natural to first of all, you know, the hunting them is natural, and the dealing with the overpopulation is a real issue for people that do have farms and do have ranchers. Like, you got to deal with that. And to get bullshit, to take, to take crap from people that are killing puppies and kittens, like, man, we need to come to an understanding here. Here's a real issue. It's not pita. It's not the problem of being ethical towards animals. It's crazy assholes that do illogical shit. And that's the problem with a lot of animal activists. It's the problem with a lot of people that claim to love animals more than they love people. You're out of your mind if you love a dog more than you love people. You're out of your mind. You're out of your mind. That's a one-way relationship. Jesus Christ. That thing doesn't talk to you about stuff. It doesn't challenge you on issues. It doesn't tell you what loves you. It doesn't help you grow. It's goddamn dark. And I love my dogs. But you're crazy if you like animals more than people. And the people that are involved, just for whatever reason, there's a certain percentage. It's not all of them. But a certain percentage of people that are involved in animal rights movements have a distorted perception of the relationship between humans and animals. And their relationship is not one of admiration and respect. It becomes what you were talking about, though, the anthropomorphic sort of a thing. It's like it's bamboo. Or it's like, you know, I saw someone was talking about when the mountain line got shot in Santa Monica. You know, they should fucking shoot people. I'd be happier if some a person was shot in that mountain line. Like that was a mountain line in fucking Santa Monica, man. Santa Monica is really urban. Okay, there's no parks. There's no parks. There's no giant places where there's all trees. There's no central park in Santa Monica.
SPEAKER_06
01:56:53 - 01:57:01
A few years ago, there was a black bear in Bergen County, New Jersey. Do you remember that? North Jersey and same thing.
SPEAKER_02
01:57:01 - 01:57:02
That's what Joey Diaz is right.
SPEAKER_06
01:57:02 - 01:57:04
It's like it's like right near her bokeh.
SPEAKER_02
01:57:04 - 01:57:16
You know you got a you got a black beer wandering around Hoboken Hoboken your fuck where you from Hoboken is I can oh Jesus Christ sorry best that might be for North Korea
SPEAKER_03
01:57:18 - 01:57:19
What is your background, sir?
SPEAKER_02
01:57:19 - 01:57:21
It's infiltrated on the fences.
SPEAKER_06
01:57:21 - 01:58:08
So here's my excuse for how I miss pronounced. What is it? Hoboken. Hoboken. Hoboken. Hoboken. He says New York. All right. So I've got a little bit of a beef with Hoboken because when I was a kid, I lived in Ridgewood, New Jersey for a year. Ridgewood had a law on the books that said you could actually not play video games until you were 16 years old. There's a ban on video games in Ridgewood, New Jersey. So as an eight-year-old in North Jersey, I had to go to Hoboken to a diner to play a German version of Pac-Man. So when I think of Hoboken, I don't really think of how to pronounce it. I just think of my... Pac-Man. Oh, he's a plain German version of Pac-Man when the name of the ghost were like, you know, 18 characters long. You seem to function there to watch and you know, so that's the thing. I think diners, I think black bears, I think Pac-Man. So I think Hoboken and Joe Rubin will kick my ass whenever.
SPEAKER_02
01:58:08 - 01:58:11
So there's the issue was that there was a bear in that area.
SPEAKER_06
01:58:11 - 01:58:15
There's a bear, there there've been bear sightings in every county in New Jersey. Wow.
SPEAKER_02
01:58:16 - 01:58:21
Every county new jersey and they just made bear hunting legal in the last half a decade or so, right?
SPEAKER_06
01:58:21 - 01:58:33
Yeah, it was illegal for a long time to brought it back. And then when a couple of years ago, when core sign was governor, they put a stop to it again over the objections of the wildlife commission there in the state.
SPEAKER_02
01:58:33 - 01:58:44
And how do you get wildlife commissions? That's what drives me crazy. How do you get wildlife commissions that are run by people who are animal rights activists? And why does that happen? And how is that possible that that happens?
SPEAKER_06
01:58:44 - 01:59:07
You got it in California right now because, you know, the governor appoints so many people and they're gonna have so many hunters and now they're gonna bring a you know they're gonna say well okay so the hunters gonna see to the table but we also have to have the animal rights Actors have a seat of the table too but the idea that they're trying to the I mean animal rights activists is automatically gonna be anti-hunting right absolutely
SPEAKER_02
01:59:08 - 01:59:27
It just doesn't make any sense that someone could be in charge of wildlife management and be anti-hunting. That's what that is, is this convenient ignorance that a lot of people that don't understand wildlife have. And I didn't until I started getting into it before I started paying attention, whatever it was, a decade ago. I think those are paying attention.
SPEAKER_03
01:59:27 - 01:59:37
There are a lot of these wildlife management councils, etc. Have done a pretty good job of doing their job, and I don't live.
SPEAKER_02
01:59:37 - 02:00:32
Not in liberal states though. The issue is when states are like in California, where they're making illogical decisions, like the lack of dogs and black bear and in mountain line hunts. They're hard enough to fucking kill and to control the population, and especially when you're dealing with predators, like you have a responsibility as a human being to keep the population in control. I'm not saying you should run them to the point of extinction, but you have, I think, Every human in a community has, if possible, to control predators, you should. There's a responsibility to keep a certain amount of control on the situation. And when you start doing shit like saying, well, you can't hunt with dogs or you can't do this or you can't do that. You you what you should be what should be as how many numbers are they killing okay, and there's not a lot of lines getting killed. It's not easy to do you know, they're not a danger, right? No, they're not dangerous anymore.
SPEAKER_00
02:00:32 - 02:03:17
They're there right now. You're seeing an expansion and range and it's different than what people think because Some of the states that have the most heavy hunting for mountain lions are actually turning out to be areas that are population sources. So there's a movement right now, obviously this paper recently where they were doing some work on lions, and they were thinking that the abundance of lions in California with the loss of how hunting, that they would be seeing californian lions going into fill ecosystem's vacated by harvested lines in Nevada. What they're finding instead is in spite of all like the base and in range country in Nevada in spite of the hunting is still able to produce lines and they're seeing lines going in a different direction. They're seeing lines going spreading out displaced young males spreading out from Nevada into California. Now, could be two things. They could be somehow that their buddy called them from California and said, dude, come here. They will not mess with you. These people are soft. I don't know what it is, but so much stuff. Like there's always something that violates all your expectations. And to the answer, like do state fishing game agencies do their job. I have No one has complete faith in everything. But in general, I have a lot of faith in state-fishing game agencies. And you guys have all had the luxury, like I have the travel around the world to fair bit. And I used to have this naive idea that you'd go to a developing nation. and it would be that you'd experience this great abundance of wildlife. It's just in your mind, it's like, oh, it's like, back in time, somehow. You know, I remember like the first time when the Philippines do a magazine story, I brought my snorkel, my mask, and I thought it would just be this explosion of sea life. You know, but in fact, it's not because they use cyanide to fish on the reefs and they, I mean, you go to a fish market there and the fish are an inch long tops or they, or it's either there's a bunch of inch long fish or they've just drugged in a big whale shark in their hack and in the apartment machetes. Okay. So it's like, The reality is, is that the U.S. we have very progressive game management, and we have like a hunter-based management system, and the U.S. when you factor in how many people live here, we're in a technological sense, we're in an economic sense. It almost doesn't make sense that we have the wild life we have. we do a phenomenal job and there's a richness of wildlife in the United States of America that's unparalleled by any country in a similar situation. And Steve Lemmer is nothing to compare to.
SPEAKER_03
02:03:17 - 02:03:40
Let me pick it back and I don't want to interrupt you, but you did. What the US, the US also has been really responsible for many, many years also. And if you want to buy timber from say Indonesia, our rules and guidelines for how that timber is harvested and where is incredibly stringent. countries like China and Japan that are not responsible but keep going so you're right.
SPEAKER_00
02:03:40 - 02:04:17
No you're absolutely right there and we've had to use we've had to use certain things to try to control other countries abuse on the high seas like we'll even go after people and be like not only not by your fisheries but now we have the capability to boycott your electronics if you're not going to give up the program of high seas fisheries management. So in general in the US I attribute It's starting to start to sound like a documentary, but I'm saying that like the wildlife, the North American wildlife conservation model, which is a model based on creating abundance so that you're going to have a limited sustainable harvest of resources has proven to be
SPEAKER_02
02:04:18 - 02:04:41
the best system and it's not even debatable and people don't understand that when they're in urban areas and they become animal rights activists and they talk about how much they love animals they don't understand things like keeping deer population down so you don't die in car accidents because they don't have natural predators unless you're going to go fucking like what they're doing with wolves and reintroduce wolves and deer in ecosystem and then what happens well what are you going to control the wolves?
SPEAKER_00
02:04:41 - 02:05:55
They're not finding research Right. Like, like, a guy that hunts and he buys firearms and ammunition, which has a federally, which has essentially a self-imposed exercise tax. It was voted into my sportsmen. They have a self-imposed exercise tax, where money goes to the federal government. It's a percentage of that goes to the federal government that purchase. It's earmarked for wildlife conservation, so you talk about enforcement of laws, which I think Peter would agree with greatly, that some needs to enforce these laws. That's how we're funding that enforcement. Hunting license, sales, and in Pippman Roberts and Act funds, Also buying a hunting license goes to create state-fishing game agencies. Many of these agencies are self-sustaining. They don't get any taxpayer funding. Their funding comes through fees and licenses. And they do wildlife research. He does not have funding wildlife research. You know, it's like they're just making noise, but like the conversation so often comes down to Peter, but Peter's become a joke. I mean, when Peter makes the news, it's always like, what are those guys up to now? It's always the toenail. I don't think they're taking serious things. I don't think so much for a quote. I don't think the animal rights, I don't think that people who self identify animal rights advocates are actually dangerous.
SPEAKER_06
02:05:56 - 02:06:10
I'm going to disagree with you. We can snuggle and share a microphone here. There we go. Because I think that PETA is the clown shoes of the animal rights movement. But they're there in a way to be a distraction for like the HSUS of the world.
SPEAKER_05
02:06:10 - 02:06:12
What does that mean? What does that mean?
SPEAKER_06
02:06:12 - 02:07:07
You may decide the United States. Okay. And everybody thinks that the Humane Society is your local dog and cat shelter, right? But nationally HSUS, the Humane Society of the United States, doesn't really fund your local animal shelter. They try to raise money off of you thinking that they fund your local animal shelter. But instead, they're the non-clown shoes animal rights group. They're the suit and tie were in lobbying, go to politicians. They know how to raise money. They know how to be effective talking to politicians and banning certain types of money. And Pete is there, I think, really does be that sort of distraction. You know, oh, look, it's the chicks you were getting. So you get it from tigers. It's the people who are wearing like the little lettuce bikinis. But Michael Mark Harry and her Wayne Picelli at HSUS, their goals the same. I mean, Wayne Picelli has said, we want to see a day when there is no hunting in this country. Why do you need to hunt anymore? You can go to the grocery store and you can get your corn fed.
SPEAKER_02
02:07:07 - 02:07:19
Well, that's what's really insane is that someone would want to take away your ability to acquire meat your way that somehow or another it would be good to only be able to get your meat from farmers.
SPEAKER_06
02:07:19 - 02:07:25
I think I don't even think that I don't want to get to a day where we're growing meat in laboratories. We've got our test tube that
SPEAKER_02
02:07:26 - 02:07:36
I think you're right, but I think they don't understand that there would be this insane imbalance in the ecosystem that would probably lead to the rise of predators.
SPEAKER_06
02:07:36 - 02:07:48
Absolutely, and not to mention the loss of humanity. I mean, you know, there is something innately human about taking your food. I think we will lose if we grew our food in our laboratory.
SPEAKER_02
02:07:48 - 02:10:46
Your definition of human is what they want to change. I think what they want to change is they want us to evolve past this need to be relying upon our primal instincts. And my thinking on that is always I understand the idealistic or utopian sort of pull in that direction, but there's also a reality about the time that we live in. although we can see like a bright future where we become beings of light, we can read each other's minds and the internet is used to travel on. Maybe that's the future. Maybe that's a million years from now. Whatever the fuck it is. But reality is right now animals don't live forever and they're delicious when you eat them. And you guys are getting crazy, okay? You're not gonna live forever. Neither's that deer, neither's that cow. Like this is nuts. Like the idea that you shouldn't torture them 100% I'm with you. The idea that you shouldn't psychologically damage them by leaving them in cages, their whole life, and then finally shooting them and eating them. Yeah, there's a lot of bad karma to that. That would make me think that the people that would be the real animal activists would be the ones that want to encourage the natural food chain. You're not going to stop people from meeting me. You're just not. We like it too much. There's too much scientific evidence that there's benefits through cholesterol for brain function. There's a lot of benefits of eating meat. And vegans don't want to believe that because a lot of vegans with their thing is is that they used to have an unbelievably shitty diet. They used to eat fucking bullshit and cheeseburgers and shitty food and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But now that they're eating vegan, they feel so much better. Oh my God. And now they're like these proselytizing for the vegan religion. And they're going around telling everybody how amazing it is, how amazing they feel to be vegan. But I'm like, I understand. You're right. There's a lot of great nutrients and vegetables. But, and meat. And meet to me. There's a lot of good and that too. And I'm a person who never did like eat their body away. I never did eat shit food all the time. I understand that the direct correlation between nutritional supplementation, eating healthy vegetables, eating good lean meats, and feeling better in your body actually performing, especially in something like really intense. When you get into like chiu-jitsu and it kind of martial arts, the stakes of you being good or bad, or you getting your ass kicked, And that's a terrible feeling that every man wants to avoid. And you understand what's working, what's not working. Pragmatism comes into play when you're involved in anything, any competitive athletic, especially combat sports. You better eat the right shit. You better take your fucking vitamin. Because if you don't, it's a difference between you just getting out of a submission, getting to a dominant position, and winning, or you tap again. I mean, literally, sometimes is that close. It's a few beats of a heart. It's whether or not you have just that extra push of oxygen in your body. People that do that, they like me, most of them.
SPEAKER_03
02:10:46 - 02:10:54
You know, they, you know, that, but it's life, you know, if you look at nature, that's such a classic and stark example of how life eats life.
SPEAKER_02
02:10:55 - 02:11:01
That's always life eats life by the way, whether or not you're eating animals. You're still kiff at killing living things.
SPEAKER_00
02:11:01 - 02:12:21
This is the thing I've always wanted about and I was actually Maybe like I'm relying on the expertise of your viewers and this isn't something that this isn't a question that they'd be able to answer through a format like Twitter would take like a lengthy email if someone knows and whenever I ask you to don't give out your email right now. That's what they're gonna it's gonna go to you and then you're gonna send it to me if it's good. But whenever I ask is people think I'm being like they don't try to demonstrate absurdity by being absurd, but it really is something I wonder about and I'm sure there's a great answer for it. In the mindset of a, of a, of a, die-hard animal rights person who feels that human life is, is equal to animal life. What do they propose? We should do, like, once we conquer the problem of humans consuming animals, human induced animal suffering, what do they propose? Like, what do we control? No, what do we do with the bottle nose dolphin? Like, how will it be that he, is forced to stop consuming fish. And I'm not trying to be like a smart ass. Like what would you do to get coyotes? If life is life is life, okay? When will they be offended by the actions of a coyote? who's killing things to survive. I know he has to, but really if you call them all and separate and you be ill feed them. I think they make a very distinct difference. A big difference between humans and animals, right?
SPEAKER_03
02:12:28 - 02:12:47
As far as they're concerned, there is a big difference because human beings have a choice. Our choice could we could be herbivores and exclusively herbivores and according to them, even healthier than me, they just tried to agree with. I think everybody, I read the China study, everybody. But it's like, you didn't read the whole thing by the way.
SPEAKER_02
02:12:47 - 02:12:53
I sure did. I sure did. I sure did. Fuck out of here. You know, you didn't read that all the time. I'm going to quiz you on chapter 8.
SPEAKER_03
02:12:53 - 02:12:54
And is the best part.
SPEAKER_02
02:12:57 - 02:13:00
Is that where Pinocchio gets his Jepetto out of them well?
SPEAKER_03
02:13:00 - 02:13:28
Oh, yeah, it does read the end actually because he talks about how how the how industry hijacks the sort of the hijacks government agencies like the school lunch program and what the military feeds the soldiers and to get buying their food Oh, yeah, scientists. They stack the deck and get scientists to say the 25% of your fucking diet can be simple sugars because there's a lot of money in high-food because corn syrup and for the corn refiner's et cetera.
SPEAKER_02
02:13:28 - 02:13:52
It's a very very that's interesting amazing though people don't understand like how that happened how all the sudden like the government it gives farmers money to like give subsidies on corn like to encourage the growth of corn and it's not just it's not family farms remember everybody it's huge industrial farms they get the bulk of the And somehow another they wash each other's hands and figure out how to slap each other in the back. Oh, totally.
SPEAKER_03
02:13:52 - 02:14:24
I stacked the jack. I deck. I mean, the Teacon camera does it because he was assigned someone on these boards. They do a, he does a very good job as a scientist who has involved in the stuff. And he names names because he's friends with these guys who are on Nestle and Coca-Cola's boards who say, guess what? Soda, high-fructose corn syrup has nothing to do with obesity. You can eat as much as you want. In fact, 25% of your food nutrition board that sets the standard for the school lunch program and mothers, mothers with dependent children, etc. You can eat 25% of your diet can be simple sugars. Go ahead!
SPEAKER_02
02:14:26 - 02:15:18
Listen to what Monsano has done. Monsanto has bought up a company that was the leading company on B research because those are the people that said that Monsanto's pesticides and all the shit that's in their food is causing B populations to decline. So Monsanto buys them. Then Monsanto develops a fucking robot B. Okay, I thought, I joked around about it in my act. I said that bees, I such a country animals, I hope that we make solar powered robot bees that fuel themselves by, they have the dicks that are actually vacuum cleaners and they just fuck real bees to death and suck their life out and burn it inside their combustion engine. And I was just chucking around. I mean, anything anybody would actually make a robot, but I was like, how tough is it to pollinate a fucking plant? They didn't even know they're doing it and they're doing it. I mean, how tough is it to get smoke? Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke.
SPEAKER_03
02:15:18 - 02:15:20
Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh, I got smoke. Oh
SPEAKER_02
02:15:20 - 02:15:40
Well, they just thought about it. They're like, I bet they thought about it before me. I mean, but it takes a long time to develop a fucking drone by me. But they have a robot beam on Tanto has fucking robot beams now. Yeah, they pulled up a picture of it. Pull up a picture of it. Monsanto robot B is in the news today. Oh, I'm with that fucking explosion and Boston. How scary is that?
SPEAKER_03
02:15:40 - 02:15:42
Is there any new evidence on that or what's going on?
SPEAKER_02
02:15:42 - 02:15:44
I don't know. We should probably know, huh? Let's see.
SPEAKER_04
02:15:44 - 02:15:47
See you guys. Kid died. Hey, you're okay.
SPEAKER_00
02:15:47 - 02:15:52
Really? Did they know was it was it like a sophisticated form?
SPEAKER_04
02:15:52 - 02:15:56
It's I think it looks like it's a fire and it looks like there was a
SPEAKER_02
02:15:56 - 02:16:20
ball bearings and it so it looks like it's probably just you know one of those ones you find out online like a domestic produce I'm belieably horrific this is 7141 people have been injured 140 and at least 37 of or at least 17 rather are critical injuries doctors are pulling ball bearings out of people Yeah, oh my god. No, Montsanto Montsanto robot B
SPEAKER_03
02:16:22 - 02:16:26
You know, that scares me. They're going to come up with wasps that can sting the shit out.
SPEAKER_02
02:16:26 - 02:17:11
See that thing? That's the one with the quarter. The one right next to it with the quarter. Look at that. That's one up in the upper right. Yeah, one right there. Look at that. Look at that fucking thing. That is Mon Santos robot B. And that thing is going to have the same function that it actual B does. Like they'll be able to get them to fly back and forth and pollinate plants. What oh, yeah, we killed off the bees don't worry we got terminator bees that we develop So like don't sweat it out and by the way Montana probably Moncento rather owns the Copyright on these and nobody else can make their own robot bees So you're gonna have to buy robot bees from on Santa and like a real be the only last like a week, you know, there was a home and in the 1800s there was this there was a
SPEAKER_00
02:17:16 - 02:17:47
Well, my mind's escaping. What's the guy who's like one who studies plants? Her botanist? There's a botanist who was her biologist and a botanist. was making an exploration in the American West. And he was talking about, and he wrote for a while about the advance of the honeybee. You know, the honeybee's not a native, not native to this continent. Really? Yeah, you saw about the advance of the advance of honeybee's across the, across the continent. So they'd come on ships? Oh, people brought it.
SPEAKER_02
02:17:47 - 02:17:48
Oh, they brought it on purpose.
SPEAKER_00
02:17:48 - 02:19:56
Yeah, like again, I'm escaping like not an aviary, but a aviary. Aviary? Aviary? Yeah. People brought them for honey production. And they went feral very successfully. And he was in this botanist describes and he made his trip like if something you know, I remember he made his trip in 1811 because his getting home was interrupted by the war of 1812. And he was on the Missouri when the when that great earthquake. The earthquake struck that actually switched the direction of the Mississippi's flow. Whoa. Yeah, he was there and he got delayed by the war 1812. But anyways, okay. Shit luck. No, he just got this guy. This guy had Bradbury. Bradbury was his name like the novelist. His name was Bradbury. He had amazingly bad luck. He thought he's just going on a little trip and it took him like seven years to go home. And all the material, all the material that Bradbury, all the material he gathered, like all the plant specimens he took. He got done and he wanted to take a different route home. So he sent his assistant. home with his stuff, right? But his assistant gets home years earlier and by the time this dude makes it back home, his assistant has published all the material under his own name. No. But anyways, in this book, he has this really interesting. This really interesting passage about how fast bees are advancing and how they always keep pace. They're always out ahead of the frontier. So at the time when he was writing, he was talking about like the be somewhere in North Dakota or whatever, be saying like, reliably, you know, we were in St. Louis in a, in a strong way. And bees are 40 miles out and they'll bees will continue to march across. That's what like colony. collapsed disorder is interesting as it is. I don't think of it as a wild life issue. I think of it as an agricultural issue. Right, because they're not natural. It's a non-native species. It's an agricultural problem. It's a sad agricultural problem. But I don't when I think of like wildlife politics and the well-being of American wildlife, which I have a vested interest in, like I don't look at county collapse disorder as It's a serious economic problem.
SPEAKER_02
02:19:56 - 02:20:04
So these animals are these bees rather. If they didn't exist, if they hadn't been introduced here, would agriculture be drastically different?
SPEAKER_00
02:20:04 - 02:20:48
Yeah, I would say so because they're able to use them in such a targeted, a guy that raises bees is doing two things. He's producing honey and he's providing pollination services. So they do these things in tandem. When I was in college, I worked for a beekeeper and he would all the while he's collecting honeycomb but the same time he's moving stuff around so the beginning of the year he's down he'd go down a Georgia he'd truck his bees down a Georgia and he'd do pollination services down there And I think that it's just a way that you can do like very targeted, very fast, synchronized pollination of plant species that if you were relying on native species of bees and net moths and butterflies that I gather would take much longer.
SPEAKER_02
02:20:48 - 02:20:55
What are the native ones? This is supposed to the b- the honey bees are not native. Honey bees are not native. So the North American Indians, they never got any honey.
SPEAKER_00
02:20:55 - 02:21:27
Well, it's like I think that that the honeybee produces like a high that like good quantities of a high quality honey there are similar products produced there are some of the things produced by other things but it's kind of like the reason that gold smoke isn't really you know, a big strong product, but cows can crank it out, you know, and so in that way, they were brought for that purpose, but there are many pollinating insects that were native of the US, but like the specific honeybee as we know it was introduced species. Wasps were they here? I don't know, but I would
SPEAKER_06
02:21:28 - 02:21:38
I'm sure they were. I like to be the son of a bitch who introduced wasps to the United States like who brought who decide do you know what these they make honey I look let's do what what happened to we bring wasps over here.
SPEAKER_03
02:21:38 - 02:22:53
That's right that guy from animal planet screw that guy I had a short live show animal planet And it was he was an entomologist and he was a really weird dude and he goes he goes look at this and he had this huge spider and he goes watch this and he put him in his mouth and then they pulled it out his huge transatlanticos now I won't bite me because I'm not a mob if I was a mob they would bite me, but I'm a human so it doesn't know the difference oh my god, I have some Filipino thing, right? So I said I said his claim to fame is he'd been stung by every every insect And I said, there's some, uh, there are some Watts out there that can hurt you. And he said, Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. And I said, like, what? He goes, well, the tarantula hawk or the 24-hour ant that you find in Panama. If they sting you, you'll fall to the ground and scream for hours and hours. Because they call it the 24-hour, because when you do get stressed on, you can't sleep, you can't drink, you can't eat for 24 hours. The pain is so intense. I said, what was the pain like? He's, I like in it too, getting your hand slammed in a car door and being shot with a 45 at the same time. He was this really weird guy. I was like, well, I'll be staying away from the tarantula hawk, which is indigenous to this area in Nevada.
SPEAKER_02
02:22:54 - 02:23:45
Whenever you talk about it, they're really evil fucking bugs in the world. That's really drives me nuts about animal rights activists because those are animals too. This is a whole broad ecosystem and a lot of these things that are out there, we can't live with them. If we live with them, they kill us. Do you understand that there's ants in Africa that kill elephants? They climb up an elephants leg and they go right through the fucking ear and they start eating the elephants. That's your first. Fuck yeah, it's true. That's kind of fine to them and then they communicate with this with the other the ants in their evil cunt colony and they find this poor fucking elephant and they find them and they eat him ears first Did you you must have if you're come think cuz you know those guys my boys in San Antonio who made this big promotional video for me cuz that's that's had no cons You're coming to Brian gown.
SPEAKER_03
02:23:45 - 02:23:49
That's what you kind of is so no cons, please is that from you is that your?
SPEAKER_02
02:23:49 - 02:24:01
Yeah I mean, I think that's the one problem with human beings. The number one problem. If we eliminated cons, all cons, male cons, by the way. There's a trans law hawk, please. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that.
SPEAKER_03
02:24:01 - 02:24:02
Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that.
SPEAKER_00
02:24:02 - 02:24:03
Show them that. Show them that.
SPEAKER_03
02:24:03 - 02:24:04
Show them that. Show them that. Show them that.
SPEAKER_00
02:24:04 - 02:24:10
Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Show them that. Oh, yeah, that's an interesting home man.
SPEAKER_02
02:24:10 - 02:25:06
What a monster. I'm lying monster. I'm paying on my dick on my point. Good. My point is that if we eliminated that from the world, it was just an error and everyone left had to figure things out. I think magically 99% of the world's problems would immediately be eradicated. I really do believe that. I think most of the world's problems, whether it's crazy, out of control bankers that are fucking stealing resources and robbing this country blind or whether it's evil corrupt politicians or whether it's, you know, whatever it is, you get Cut all the country human beings out of that equation and new resolutions automatically begin to show themselves. And people automatically begin to try to find ways to work together and stop environmental devastations and figure out how to be profitable while still being ethical. It's a country issue. We have like this huge civilization issue that's really a country issue.
SPEAKER_00
02:25:06 - 02:25:13
But if you ask them all to line up, you won't have people who self-identified. No, of course not. So you need a really good court system.
SPEAKER_02
02:25:13 - 02:26:55
Or mushrooms. Or just you do it. Mushrooms would help. You know what people need to do is that your ego can convince you of some pretty horrible shit because we're sort of a species that's in a stage. We're in a stage of not quite being animals, being self-aware, having the ability to communicate. not really being completely fully holy enlightened and there's a lot of things that slow us down along that way to being completely holy enlightened and enjoying this experience as brothers and sisters and the problem is people that don't get life right. whether it's genetic, whether it's behavioral because of their environment and the conditioning that the experience growing up, whatever it is. Those people that don't quite get life right and are just fucking insulting and stupid and annoying and constantly creating their own issues, constantly causing problems so that they have some sort of motivation to get through their daily day. That's a big percentage of human beings. It's a complex organism that doesn't come with a direction manual. So a lot of people fuck it up and you develop from the ground up and you do a shit job and it's addicted to drugs and it's stopping that with these drugs and you're filling these holes and you're cutting up You gotta have something that allows you to see if it's possible. Some people it's not possible. Some people are so psychologically damaged by a time they've come in adult. There's almost nothing you can do for them. But if someone did have enough sense to just stand back and look at their life as if they were trying to give themselves advice, like if you, how would you give yourself advice? Have you met you and you saw your issues? What would you say? I give myself advice. It's a great move. You know that's true. I think some of it comes also from
SPEAKER_03
02:27:00 - 02:27:58
there's something in a human being like like somebody once said this scientist was saying if you got rid of all the ants on the planet the earth would last five years in other words all the animals would die in five years for a whole bunch of reasons because it's a part of the ecosystem if you got rid of all humans Animals never think else would be just fine it would flourish now that is an interesting thing to say I thought about that because I thought The, a lot of people, when you couch it in those terms, and I think as a human being, you kind of grow up knowing in some ways that we are somehow a burden to the ecosystem, you know, we are a burden to this world, the natural world, and it's something we have to steward properly. That kind of, there's a built-in sense as a human being that in some ways you are a bit of an intruder and interruption and a burden to that which is life sustaining. I always think even now.
SPEAKER_02
02:27:58 - 02:28:00
Well, that's so personal man. I don't I don't agree with that.
SPEAKER_03
02:28:00 - 02:28:11
I'm not saying that I agree. I'm just saying I think that is part of the human psyche and always has been I think so. I think so. I think that's where conservation movements and Peter things come from.
SPEAKER_02
02:28:11 - 02:28:15
I'm going to pass why disagree with you. She might have played yourself out of the hole.
SPEAKER_04
02:28:16 - 02:28:33
Did you hear about this? The Newton families from the victims of the school shooting were in the last mile of the, it was dedicated to the last mile was dedicated to them. So that's where they were all sitting. And that's where all the bombs went on. No. Yeah, so that's a conspiracy going on.
SPEAKER_00
02:28:33 - 02:28:37
Were there any of those individuals in Jerusalem?
SPEAKER_04
02:28:38 - 02:28:42
Well, I'm not sure because they're not saying who's been able to have a boyfriend.
SPEAKER_03
02:28:42 - 02:28:46
I just didn't have them suffer enough, man. I got kids that age.
SPEAKER_00
02:28:46 - 02:28:53
Yeah, and that's something that I guess that would have been public information. Yeah, where else people were?
SPEAKER_04
02:28:53 - 02:29:24
Yeah, because they, I guess they, they, it actually, there's like, there's a, I'm trying to find a video right, or a photo of it, but there's actually people taking photos in front of it, like the families and stuff like that before it happened. There we go. Yeah, check this out. It's on hollywoodlife.com and like there's a photos of them, you know, Sitting right there.
SPEAKER_02
02:29:24 - 02:29:29
Oh, the last mile.
SPEAKER_04
02:29:29 - 02:29:30
That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02
02:29:30 - 02:29:37
I just gotta say that was one of the most satisfying pisses I've ever had in my life. Congratulations, my friend. Something about taking leaks. What is that?
SPEAKER_04
02:29:37 - 02:29:42
Yeah, it's the school shooters. We're sitting in the last mile of the Boston Marathon from Newton.
SPEAKER_02
02:29:42 - 02:29:46
Oh my god. Yeah. And so did they get hurt?
SPEAKER_04
02:29:46 - 02:29:50
I probably, but they haven't said who's gotten hurt though. So that's what they're doing.
SPEAKER_02
02:29:50 - 02:30:18
Oh my god. Something suck. What the fuck? This whole thing is terrifying. CNN, don't go to CNN, folks. Don't, don't, don't even go look at the front page. It's horrific. Let everywhere. It's a con problem. It's a con problem. That's a con problem. I mean, there's obviously that simplifying things to the extreme. Don't send me Twitter messages. I know what I'm doing. I know what you're saying. You're absolutely right. I agree with you. But that's obviously missing the point.
SPEAKER_03
02:30:21 - 02:30:24
You know, you know, human beings man.
SPEAKER_02
02:30:24 - 02:30:33
But capable of amazing shit, you know, I've never said they're like, we could figure out how to get people to everyone get their shit together.
SPEAKER_03
02:30:33 - 02:30:35
We are the bipolar ape. We are the most bipolar ape.
SPEAKER_02
02:30:36 - 02:31:15
Yeah, but I don't think it's important. I mean, I don't think it's necessary for our survival. I don't think we have to be shitty to, in order to move forward. I agree. I think that's like the idea. I think we have technology. I think that's the case. You know, it's like, one of the things that I put, put it into perspective, that a couple thousand years ago, someone showed up on your shore. Those fucking people were dangerous and you had to kill them. You were probably going to get raped and pillaged. And sold into slavery. And now you welcome them as an important part of the tourism industry. You know, that's a completely new development in human history. Yeah, fucking rose out of stone, so you could figure out what the hell they were saying.
SPEAKER_03
02:31:15 - 02:31:28
It's so true, man. That's it. I mean, so much of the world up until literally 300 years ago, less, less. What am I talking about? You know, 150 years ago was in servitude of some kind and usually a form of slavery.
SPEAKER_02
02:31:28 - 02:31:35
Well, it's really trippy is to see North Korea still rocking at old school today. Still rocking a full form.
SPEAKER_00
02:31:35 - 02:31:56
I can't figure out what's going to. I can't figure out what's going to happen. I mean, like in some way, in some way, it seems that the state department and the military is like, oh my, like, what do you do with these guys? And the other half of it seems like a serious, like, serious. I can't tell, like, is it not serious or serious? Well, it's blaster.
SPEAKER_03
02:31:56 - 02:32:30
It's blaster. North Korea is always blastered. However, the problem is this kid is 29, maybe 30. they don't know a lot about them and they're not talking about the ruler of North Korea the son John John he'll know or whatever thing his name they don't own yeah they don't know enough about him and it used to be as father there was a method to his father's madness he would create a lot of heat to get bring cool to negotiate to him will get more aid or whatever this kid is they think probably rattling a sword to get the respect of the ancient generals that actually run that fucking country we need to bring dense robin it back
SPEAKER_02
02:32:31 - 02:32:48
you're right and I'm glad you brought that up and bring that dude to a senses that is what you think of North Korea when you have a dance robin in your council why doesn't he bring dance robin in in what the United States like hook it up but just provide him with you know a thousand Korean checks and just let him run it run it
SPEAKER_03
02:32:52 - 02:32:54
We need him and that gene pull anyway.
SPEAKER_02
02:32:54 - 02:33:24
The North Koreans love Dennis Robbins so much that they let him become their king and then somehow and then some strange world he goes over there and then all of a sudden he starts giving press conferences that Dennis Robbins is now running North Korea It's not outside the realm of possibility. How many steps removed from that is our elsewhere scenario running California? How many steps removed? It's only a few chapters of ridiculous parody.
SPEAKER_00
02:33:24 - 02:33:26
Minnesota had a toy governor for a while.
SPEAKER_02
02:33:26 - 02:33:33
Well, I was a Navy seal and I know about come trails and for Mike. You can't say he was a pro wrestler.
SPEAKER_03
02:33:33 - 02:33:35
I'm a Navy seal medic.
SPEAKER_02
02:33:35 - 02:33:47
Yeah. And, you know, a huge man. And a big conspiracy theorist to the extreme. Yeah, he's got that show called conspiracy theory, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was looking for thermite.
SPEAKER_00
02:33:47 - 02:34:14
Does there's the leader? Kim, you, you know, young, un... Please say a friend. Please say a friend. Please say a friend. Please say a friend. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don authority what passes for legal authority to commit forces the same way that like the US president could commit forces for 60 or 70 days. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03
02:34:14 - 02:34:17
They declared war on North Korea though. Well, he's essentially
SPEAKER_02
02:34:21 - 02:34:22
He's essentially a dictator, right?
SPEAKER_00
02:34:22 - 02:34:29
So I mean, is he like the Iranian president who's really like a?
SPEAKER_06
02:34:29 - 02:34:33
He's like a godhead. I mean, he's a godhead of state.
SPEAKER_03
02:34:33 - 02:34:50
He's a religious figure. The North Koreans are have been indoctrinated. For example, every North Korean home from what I understand has a speaker. And when he, when the dear leader would speak, you had to, it would blast in your home and you had to memorize that speech.
SPEAKER_00
02:34:50 - 02:34:57
Oh, Jesus. Man, if I had one of those and I can make everybody do that. What would just speech be around? I don't know. I think it's something good, though, man.
SPEAKER_03
02:34:57 - 02:34:59
It's like, what would you say?
SPEAKER_02
02:34:59 - 02:35:26
If you could say, it's an overcooked diver duck. He would be like, what the fuck is our dear leader talking about? overcooked diver duck is. I'm going to tell people sugar's bad. Mmm, so delicious, so. That's a problem. I know these cupcakes aren't good for you, but go on down to here. We've got to eat enough good food that you can do this though. That's the balance to life. Bounce life is kale shakes and cupcakes.
SPEAKER_03
02:35:26 - 02:35:27
Kale shakes.
SPEAKER_02
02:35:27 - 02:35:29
You've got to be able to work them all together.
SPEAKER_03
02:35:29 - 02:35:33
That should be a fucking t-shirt. Kale shakes and cupcakes.
SPEAKER_02
02:35:33 - 02:35:38
It's important, man. Delicious food, passion, little wine. Yep.
SPEAKER_03
02:35:38 - 02:35:41
I love wine. It's important. Hey, we got to drink some good wine.
SPEAKER_02
02:35:41 - 02:35:44
You pay since you're richer than I am. I'll do it. I'm going to be a fuck.
SPEAKER_03
02:35:45 - 02:36:09
I love Joe we're going home. Joe is the greatest rogue is the greatest we go to dinner one time and this and I and I was like I've been reading about wine so I looked at the list and I was like I'm gonna choose I guess we'll get the right bankboard though here and then I'm asking questions and rug look hey hey fuck face let me show you the Joe Rogo way of ordering wine he goes oh that's expensive shit look at that one You're ruining everything. I'm trying to impress people.
SPEAKER_02
02:36:09 - 02:36:59
I'm like, no! Brian, we like pretend to understand. See, one of the reasons why I have very little tolerance with you, when it comes to that is that I have my other good friend, Matt Lichtenberg, who's a huge wine fanatic, legit. I think I has a fucking crazy wine cell, or temperature controllers, how ancient wines and shit, all these important ones. that motherfucker knows why you don't know what you're talking about. I call Matt up. I call Matt up and go, hey Matt, I go, this is my choices, you know, a Bordeaux from Bumble Blah or a Bumble Blah and he'll tell you, well, Oregon in 2007 is this shit. If you can get a Pino from Oregon for 2007 and it's this particular vineyard, he just knows. He's a legit wine counselor. I went to his birthday party. And they had this really nutty dinner where they gave what they called flights of wine.
SPEAKER_00
02:36:59 - 02:37:01
I don't know about that stuff.
SPEAKER_02
02:37:01 - 02:37:06
Yeah, and they were all like drinking it and describing the earthy tones. And this one is oak and this one.
SPEAKER_03
02:37:06 - 02:37:16
That's my favorite thing to do. I'll do it all day. Okay. Oh, I will. I'll sit there. I love pretend. I love it. I'll wear it. I wear a tweed jacket.
SPEAKER_02
02:37:16 - 02:37:17
I wear a scarf.
SPEAKER_03
02:37:17 - 02:37:19
I would definitely wear a scarf. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
02:37:19 - 02:38:12
What I'm thinking of is the vertical. There's a vertical in the horizontal flight. Right. I don't know. A vertical flight would be a horizontal flight would be where you take a year and You go to like all the like all the great bar do's and you get their Bordeaux from that year is a horizontal flight a vertical flight as you take A specific vineyard and you collect all the years from that specific vineyard So you might host a vertical and it's like Chateau whatever, 1920 to 1945 and you're gonna taste a 25-year span out of that. Wow. All right, listen. Now I'm thinking. The reason I know this, and I want to do a shameless boy, my buddy Ben Wallace has this great book, The Billionaire's Vinegar. And it's about the most expensive bottle of wine ever sold, but like, what is good wine? Do we know good wine when we taste it's fascinating?
SPEAKER_02
02:38:12 - 02:38:15
Well, you get really old shit that most likely it's on good news.
SPEAKER_00
02:38:15 - 02:38:43
Well, the problem is, as his book explains, is the problem is No one this is about the most expensive bottle line ever sold why not be in fraudulent, but it was reported to be owned by Thomas Jefferson Okay, so for like Steve Forbes owned it for a while and all these different guys on this bottle line one of the co-op brothers on it for a while and in the end There's no one around who can go I've had a lot of wine from that year Right. That's right on the money. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03
02:38:43 - 02:38:43
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01
02:38:43 - 02:38:43
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05
02:38:43 - 02:38:44
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
02:38:44 - 02:38:51
That's it. There's an crazy though that these different rich guys had the wine and sold it to each other. Like they lasted off.
SPEAKER_00
02:38:51 - 02:39:45
You know, I got it. For instance, Forbes started in a, they put it in a, in their corporate headquarters and they had an box. Like a glass lit boxes of decoration, but they had to stand up right with a heat lamp in there. And it's right that cork out and the cork in the bottle. So later when people were trying to analyze what was in it, there could never rule out the intrusion of foreign substances, which it'll not allow them to find out what it was. The guy they eventually like is why the guy who created the hoax would take really good wine and into weird stuff to it like he put a little bit of vanilla extract in there or he'd put some dirt from his gutter in there just weird things he could do to kind of throw people and then guys that are like big swing and dicks about wine would taste like oh yeah so great I got to find it's a brilliant book.
SPEAKER_02
02:39:45 - 02:39:47
I such a pretentious.
SPEAKER_03
02:39:47 - 02:40:11
I love it. I got invited by a popular huge guy owned a pop-rotsic company and he invited me to a wine tasting and he said, he said, and he goes, I don't want, you can't really, he was trying to be really nice because I'm going to bring wine for my seller for you. I said, I'm nice wine, he goes, I don't want to be addicted to you, but you can't afford the wines if we're going to bring. And I go, all right, geez.
SPEAKER_02
02:40:11 - 02:40:13
I said, how much was the most expensive one?
SPEAKER_03
02:40:13 - 02:40:54
You know, like literally I was drinking 1961 stony hills. I mean, I was drinking like wines that you would cost cost you, you know, $2,000 to drink. I think the taster for Zack is wine. The guy who sets the standard was there. So anyway, I, so I go there and I'm drinking crazy, 1960, 1963, 1993. What is it like? What is it like? Well, for me, because I love wine so much, there is a difference. Now, here's the thing. If you spend $300 on a bottle of wine, there's a big difference. You're going to taste an amazing wine. If you know what to get, versus a $50 bottle of wine. However, the difference in $300 and $1,000, I don't think there's no difference. Well, now you're talking about scarcity, okay? Now you're going into years and there's one left and so on.
SPEAKER_00
02:40:54 - 02:41:31
I want to back up though, because I want to clarify. It's too easy to hack on wine kind of sewers. I do want to say this. the handful of times someone did present to me. What's like critically regarded as a good one. I was able to taste that one and say. I get what you're saying. Like, there's something going on here that was not going on in all the other one. Yes. I've had my whole life. It's wasted on me. But I recognize what you're saying. There's something going on. I don't want to act like it's all. I don't think it's all smoke. I don't think it's all smoke. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02
02:41:31 - 02:41:35
But yes, it's definitely not all BS and it's amazing. The subtle differences in different glass. Yes.
SPEAKER_03
02:41:36 - 02:42:06
And I always equate it to this. Like if I drink an amazing bottle of wine, like say I'm 500 or whatever, like my friend made a fortune that he's huge wine guy like your buddy, I always describe it this way. I go, when I drink an amazing glass of wine, I say to him, I, the way I, the reason is the expense of I go, nothing else tastes like that. That, that taste, that experience stands on its own. You don't compete, you go, oh, it tastes just like this. No, it stands on its own. It's so complex. And it's an experience. For me, I love it.
SPEAKER_02
02:42:06 - 02:42:21
If you had a choose, though, if you had a choose between like no wine for the rest of your life or bland food. What is more important? The taste of food or the taste of wine? 100% right? I can live without wine, no problem.
SPEAKER_03
02:42:21 - 02:42:21
Yeah, I gotta go.
SPEAKER_02
02:42:21 - 02:42:23
I don't want to need wine.
SPEAKER_00
02:42:23 - 02:42:34
I like it. Yeah, when I'm eating very high quality good food that I won't have again, I typically I like to eat it with water. Yeah. Yeah, me too.
SPEAKER_03
02:42:34 - 02:42:43
I sometimes you have food that's so good. Like I was just in Louisiana this weekend and I went to this restaurant called Revolution. I had a nirky, a lobster nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky.
SPEAKER_02
02:42:43 - 02:42:51
I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky.
SPEAKER_03
02:42:51 - 02:42:56
I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky. I don't like the way you say nirky.
SPEAKER_01
02:42:56 - 02:42:57
I don't like the way you say nirky. I
SPEAKER_00
02:42:58 - 02:43:20
It's like you're you're giving a nod toward yeah, I like it. Yeah, I'm not gonna start doing I'm not gonna start doing about like you're kind of saying like yeah, man There's more to the earth There's more to the globe No, I'm gonna demonstrate this by to me is like the gold chains of language He just showed up with a bunch of fucking language gold trades
SPEAKER_02
02:43:20 - 02:43:30
I was in Bahrain. I was spending time in France. I had to do it. There was a little bit of work done in Afghanistan, where they were perpetrated in Taliban.
SPEAKER_03
02:43:30 - 02:43:39
When I was visiting Chile, we... I say Steve Renella.
SPEAKER_02
02:43:39 - 02:43:45
You know Steve Renella is family's good rabbit.
SPEAKER_03
02:43:45 - 02:43:48
But if really good food is another thing that transcendental man.
SPEAKER_02
02:43:48 - 02:44:21
Yeah, I don't need good wine, but I do need good food. You know, that's why when I experience We were talking about your friend that doesn't like food. I have a friend that's just like that, too. He's like, I just want to eat and then get done and then do my thing. It's like, man, I get it. But maybe he's just taste things different than I do. Yeah, Dan Cook has to be. Some people like shit and other people hate it. Like, I love sea urchin. I think it tastes delicious too. But I've tried to give people sea urchin and they're like, this is disgusting. Oh my God, like, they spit into a napkin. Like, oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03
02:44:21 - 02:44:22
I like it.
SPEAKER_00
02:44:22 - 02:44:36
But some people make a monastic decision. You know, they're kind of, they're kind of like, you know, with all, you know, whatever, all the human suffering in the world or whatever, it's like, you know, I don't want to be a glutton in that way.
SPEAKER_03
02:44:36 - 02:44:42
I look at it differently. I look at it as I have the, I have the opportunity incredible food. I'm going to eat this for the people like candy.
SPEAKER_00
02:44:42 - 02:44:47
And I'm going to pay attention to it. And support of all the suffering people. I'm going to enjoy this meal.
SPEAKER_02
02:44:47 - 02:45:17
Yeah, as long as you're not victimizing someone and you're enjoying that food, you should just be enjoying that food. Enjoy that moment. The idea that human beings have to be in perspective of six billion other fucking people is so crazy. Because otherwise you'll never be happy. You'll never be happy because the world is filled with suffering. I mean, there's always tragic instances happening all over the world where people getting hit in the head by coconuts, okay? You should not be eating and enjoying your steak because some poor farmer got hit in the head with a coconut and fucking dog, because that shit happens 150 times a year.
SPEAKER_03
02:45:17 - 02:45:33
Right, and not only that, but what about the fact that people who can really cook, that's an art form. They dedicate their life to it, and it makes your life, it just makes the world a better place. I don't want to live in a world with bad with bad food or food to where people don't take care.
SPEAKER_02
02:45:33 - 02:45:44
Yeah, you do. You'd rather live in that world than not be alive. Someone said all right. No good food, but also no zombies or good food and zombies.
SPEAKER_03
02:45:44 - 02:45:46
I want zombies so I can have an arsenal.
SPEAKER_02
02:45:47 - 02:45:49
You can have an awesome, you can have an arsenal.
SPEAKER_06
02:45:49 - 02:45:52
Can you imagine what Pigman and Nuju would do if we had good food and zombies in this world?
SPEAKER_02
02:45:52 - 02:46:36
Oh man, it was delicious. Whatever. We tell them it's special. On Twitter the other day, the best show ever would be a combination of the walking dead and duck dynasty. These dudes that go out, they do it. They're fucking wacky stunts, like pretend in block. I could open the door. So I called Bob. This is fake scenario and they're all fucking huge hit. They all get eaten by zombies. I just ripped their fucking throats out as they're filming that shitty show and they start they eat their beard I made their beard and they choking blood and brains mixed in with beard and they're trying to choke it down throwing up zombies throw up because they can't eat their beard You know one of the first time like one of the first TV meetings I arrived was years ago now was like I think it was 2004 I had a TV meeting where
SPEAKER_00
02:46:37 - 02:48:32
a guy and in an aside explained to me the most brilliant show that he was doing but I think it ever happened and it was going to be he was trying he was pitching around to show that was going to be um it was going to start like a reality show we make our big 11 house okay and you know you you're foment the typical like inner personal conflict all right and as it would go on things would start getting So unusual. He was already like, right when reality TV was starting, he was already trying, he's already trying to think of what he's ahead of his time. He's already thinking of how to toy with it. And he wanted to have it get like increasingly outrageous to build up where people would say like, there's no way. There's no way. And he wanted to bring it to the point where there was a murder. Whoa, you know. And then there'd be a murder and then the people in the reality show would be trying to like hide the fact that they killed one of the roommates. And it would make this like very gradual segue in the drama. And I was like, that is the most genius thing. But I don't think he ever was trying for an actual real murder. No, no, no. He was just going to do is going to fake it as scripted reality. He's going to have a script like a reality show that viewers would like to go away viewers don't really understand that reality shows are cast and scripted. He was going to like toy with this idea right when it was starting to happen like real real world to MTV real world type thing, but build it and as he lost as he courted like an incredulous response in his viewership being like there's no way there's no way they didn't do that they didn't happen to like push it so far that the final tipping point be that they actually kill somebody in the house but they don't really kill someone in the house it's just that that point it jumped to being like we've been trying yeah we've been messing with you the whole time this is all just us playing with you that's stuck dynasty That's what I'm talking about. That's the fucking chill. Maybe that's the guy.
SPEAKER_02
02:48:32 - 02:49:07
I just never heard anything about Beards. He's, he fade out and dress it up in Beards. Cause they look like G.C. Top. I love G.C. Top. Listen, we gotta wrap this bitch up and bring it home. This has been a lot of fun. Cam, thanks for coming on, man. Sorry you had to share a microphone, but that's just a really low tech fucking studio. I didn't get my act together. This is the most people we've ever had on microphone. And it worked out, we did it. This is awesome. Thanks for having me on, man. And so April 28th is the show on Meet Eater. It's on the Sportsman's channel. You can find it on the internet in your local... Why don't we do this again, man? Why don't we hang in here?
SPEAKER_00
02:49:08 - 02:49:19
What do we do? We just got lined up. I have like I could always justify it. Let's do it. Yeah. Come on man. Let me show. I think we should do a wild pig thing. Let's do it from the ground from the ground.
SPEAKER_03
02:49:19 - 02:49:19
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
02:49:19 - 02:49:20
Yeah. No helicopter.
SPEAKER_03
02:49:20 - 02:49:27
And we not do it April 25, 20, 22, 27, 28th because I'll be an Edvin 10 to comic strip. Oh, I'll do it then. I'll be. I'm not playing on Edvin 10.
SPEAKER_02
02:49:27 - 02:49:28
I'll burn a cannon done.
SPEAKER_03
02:49:28 - 02:49:31
Yeah, I'll just be there doing this. Yeah, but April 25.
SPEAKER_02
02:49:32 - 02:49:37
We're going to work it out, but we're all going together again. Oh yeah, we're going together again.
SPEAKER_00
02:49:37 - 02:49:38
I'll absolutely commit it.
SPEAKER_02
02:49:38 - 02:49:40
Northern California. I'm committed.
SPEAKER_00
02:49:40 - 02:49:40
Don't worry.
SPEAKER_02
02:49:40 - 02:50:32
And so, April 18th, you'll see our show. I've watched both of them. It was really fun, man. It was such a good there. It was such a cool experience of some of the best food I've ever eaten in my life. We sit down on the ground, 10 degrees outside, cooking deer over a fire. What's that fucking amazing? Do it again. Couldn't have been more fun. The cashmere killer. I'm writing a blog about the entire event that I will put up. Because I have pictures of Brian taking a shit outside and we put a flag and aluminum foil in it. And we're going to offer a money on Twitter to like $1,000. Then you can find it and take a picture of their face next to Brian's shit. If you can find it on the Missouri brakes, we'll give you a rough description of where am I excluded? Yeah, you're excluded. But we had to put the poop in biodegradable these bags and take your poop with you. You're not supposed to leave your poop behind.
SPEAKER_00
02:50:32 - 02:50:39
So that makes all the more tricky to find. Those bagels, shit bags were so weird to foil bad.
SPEAKER_02
02:50:39 - 02:50:52
Yeah, there's none quite like the first night being outside the tent. Shitting into a bag when pants down. It's pouring rain. Just not quite cold enough for a different freeze. It is pouring rain. I'm shitting into a bag on it. Whoa.
SPEAKER_03
02:50:52 - 02:50:59
I was trying to think my butt was my thermos. I was like, ah, I'm right. I ran out of water. I'm cleaning my fucking butt.
SPEAKER_02
02:50:59 - 02:51:05
I have to ask this before we, are we going to release the ravine comma footage and put that on the internet? Is it possible?
SPEAKER_00
02:51:05 - 02:51:08
It just isn't because it just isn't because it would
SPEAKER_01
02:51:09 - 02:51:10
I work for people.
SPEAKER_03
02:51:10 - 02:51:14
Is there a way that you can't have me coming in the room?
SPEAKER_00
02:51:14 - 02:51:22
You know, here's the better answer. I'm not the guy to ask. Okay, and that's dead serious. I'm not the. I wouldn't be like whoever's the editor. Talk over there.
SPEAKER_02
02:51:22 - 02:51:31
Whoever's the editor. I got a fat bag of weed with you name on it. And I know you want it. Okay, let's make this happen. We need to get through a feed cover. We need to get it on the internet. And me pulling quills out of your rump.
SPEAKER_00
02:51:31 - 02:51:40
Yeah, that was fun. No, that's that's out there. Is it on the internet? We're a family program, but that's out there. We're putting that out.
SPEAKER_02
02:51:40 - 02:51:45
Okay, beautiful. Yeah, Brian for like an hour, pulled quills out of my ass.
SPEAKER_00
02:51:45 - 02:52:00
You know, it was very heartfelt, man. It was very heartfelt. Yeah. And it made me appreciate your guys friendship. You were joking about it. You were joking about it, but he did it. Oh, no, look. You know what I mean? A lot of dudes would just be like, oh, he's doing it. He's doing it.
SPEAKER_02
02:52:00 - 02:52:50
And I would do it for him in a fucking heartbeat. All right. What's that? Dick party. Dick party. Yeah. Thanks to hover.com for sponsoring this program. Go to hover.com forward slash rogan. Get 10% off your domain name. Thanks also to Ting for sponsoring our podcast. If you go to rogan.ting.com, you can save yourself. What is it? 25 bucks. 25 bucks off of either a phone or service. Thanks also to Onit.com. That's O-N-N-I-T. Use the code name, Rogan, save 10% off. You could follow Steven Renella on Twitter. That is his Twitter name. It's Steven Renella with a V, not some fucking pH, like some freak that likes to spell. Why would you spell it with a pH when you can use a V? And I know exactly what the fuck you're saying.
SPEAKER_01
02:52:50 - 02:52:50
Huh?
SPEAKER_02
02:52:52 - 02:54:00
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