Transcript for #356 - Dan Hardy

powerful Dan Hardy. It's a buddy. Thanks for coming by, man. I'm very excited to have this conversation with you. And the internet has been a buzz, you know? Yeah. It's been something. You're a misunderstood dude, man. You know, yeah, I think so. A lot of people, especially seeing your trash talking and you know, hype it up like the GSP fight and knock the fake tan off you. People would think that you're an asshole. You're not an asshole at all. You're a super chill guy. Like, I don't think I've ever been around you and felt like, wow, it's not hard. He's just too much. I got to get the fuck away from him. He'll make it really easy to get along with. You're a very friendly guy. You just are really good at talking shit when it comes down to fight time. Some people off and that really is something that people have to understand. there's this a pageantry involved in promoting a fight and in fucking with someone's head that you're gonna fight and it's it's people don't like it when other people are better at that aspect of fighting you know they get mad people get mad if you can talk mad shit about them if they're not good at talking shit back ah they go into the fight with it like a deficit already it's kind of crazy is it's it was the culture was bought up in the you know like like

That's very English is very similar to Boston in that way. Boston has that same real insulting style to the trash talk within sports teams and athletes and It's just part of the whole thing and some people don't like it. And I could get that. I get that. There's some people want that Zen state, Anderson Silva approach we just go in. But people forget about Anderson Silva and Abu Dhabi. They forget when he was fighting with Damian Maya talking to him, all kinds of shit and Portuguese. He was fucking with that dude's head while he was lighting him up. You know? Yeah. That's even crazy crap trash talk. The trash talk that goes on while you're kicking someone's ass.

Oh, dude, you are there for that. Oh my god. People haven't seen Anderson Silva became Anderson Silva when he went to Japan and when he went to England. Like, but England was really where it all came together for him. You know, like, Japan, he got some good fights, but he had some losses, you know, the Rio Chonan flying heel hook. Yeah, I mean he had some good fights. Um, who's that kid who was calling them Alex Steebling the kid was calling himself the Brazilian killer. Okay. Remember they they all got pissed off at him. Anderson. He beat him. He caught him with a with a high kick. And then he knocked out Carlos Newton. That was probably the most spectacular fight over there. Yeah, and it was after Carlos dominated him on the ground. Carlos was very good, very advanced at that time. I can't have like the most advanced ground yet of guys that were fighting in high level. And he had an innocent down hit mounted them and it did not look like an innocent was getting up. But I think it gave me a whole car or something like that. I don't know how they got stood back up again. I don't know what happened. But they got stood back up again and bang, he hit him with a flying knee and knocked him out. And then it was after that. He like he got his footing with a couple of good fights, but it wasn't until he went to England and fought in cage rage. That's when he became Anderson Silva.

He was beaten a fuck out of limo. Yeah. He was fucking his legs up man and, you know, and Murray is tough and shit. Yeah. He hung in there, man. The entire time.

Yeah, and was training six weeks later. I made a video about him hitting the mid six weeks later. If people don't know who we're talking about, this guy is like really a legitimate folk lore type character. Yeah, he's almost greater than a guy richie character because he wouldn't ever believe a guy richie character really could be like a top MMA fighter and also one of the greatest armed robbery suspects in the history of the universe.

Well, he was real. Yeah. He just really was that crazy. Yeah.

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That guy would have had like the scariest gang ever. Back when there was like very little rules, you can have swords and shit. Oh my goodness.

Oh, you gotta think man, that time in our lives for the human race. It wasn't like a thousand years ago. That's not that long. No, man. It's like medieval. Yeah, that's not long ago. That's so, so recent. Yeah. The DNA is still there.

Yeah. And every now and then, he gets some straight lineage type shit. You get a dude who just has basically barbarians and he's walking amongst regular folks here in 2013. He's not playing by any rules. He's got no rules. He's just going for it until he hits a wall, just full clip until he hits a wall. It's important to know that it's possible that a guy like that could exist. And people get romantic about it and upset, but you could not get upset about it today. You can not get romantic about it today. You could say, oh, you know, you're glorifying something, you're glorifying something pathetic. You know, what if this guy inspires other kids to live that way? Okay, but make numbers take about it. 100 years from now it's going to be an awesome story. Okay, 200 years ago when you're not connected from now, like when we're not connected to the emotionally, it's going to be an awesome story.

Yeah. Well, a lot of folks don't know that documentary. The Bronson documentary. It was really weird. Yeah. Chopper was really weird too.

Oh, fuck yeah. And unquestionably. And he could fucking fight man. He could fight. Yeah. I saw him fight a mere renovating. Yeah. It was so ruthless. His right hand was fucking nasty. He was really, really sharp striker. Really powerful guy. I mean, he wasn't like the most technical guy, which is where Anderson picked him apart. You know, he was such a fast-hancer. He was very fast and very confident, very confident. You know, it took a guy like Anderson to sort of pick him apart. A guy who just was Clearly, Anderson's on some necks level in like every department. He's on some next level physical shit. He's on some next level mental shit. He's on some next level confidence shit. He's on some next level success shit. He really feels like he's magic. He feels like he can go in there and just do shit to people. But he can. He can. It he does. You're right. So he's like that. It takes a guy like that to do that to a guy like Lee Murray. You know a guy when when you see a Anderson like at his best is one of the weirdest things because you can't believe a guy can do what he just did You know like when he fucked up when we were there in Brazil and he fought Stefan Bonner dude That was like I was watching a movie. It was like the guy just put his back to the cage and let him tee off on him. And then brought him back in, got to the center and brought him right back in, puts his hands down, stands right in front of him. And then when he decides to strike, throws him to the ground and buries him with one knee. And you're like, Jesus.

He just- That was surreal. Yeah, he's a master. He's a real master.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's an honour to be able to call it for short. It's really shocking. His abilities are very shocking. But you know, one day we're going to look back at him and we're going to look at some new guy. Just the way people used to look at sugary Robinson and Roy Jones Jr. She ray Robinson was amazing. But I think Roy Jones Jr. is prime with a little more Christmas tree. I don't think he would have even been able to fuck with him. He wouldn't have been able to find him. But then look at my weather as much as I dislike the guy. Beautiful boxer. Beautiful. Right. The problem with Roy was all that John Ruiz fight. He went up and wait in one heavyweight fight.

Oh no, no, I didn't.

Wow. Oh, was it Mackie Shillstone? Is that his name? Mackie Shillstone is the guy. Oh, I'll tell you. He's the guy who trained, he trained spanks. Michael Spanks for his heavyweight fights with Larry Holmes. Yeah. And then again for Tyson, I think. Huh.

Well, it's interesting because what happened was then Roy, he looks spectacular in the Ruiz fight, but then he drops down to fight Antonio Tarver. He still loses a lot of weight because he's a 205 pound 206 pound guy now. I mean, he was a small heavyweight, but I think he's still got above 200 pounds, which to drop all the way to fuck down in 175 again, that is a big deal. It is. It's way easier to talk your body and to get in bigger than it is to talk your body and to get in smaller. Like you have to fucking starve yourself.

yeah he looked completely different and that fight physically like his body looked deflated you know like cutting weight like that it's just ruined him and then he got knocked out by a tarver and then he got knocked out again even scarier by Glenn Johnson and those those fights I think direct result of him weakening himself to drop down to 175 pounds or a direct result also of whatever the fuck he took to get up to 200 plus pounds not being in a system anymore and his system crashes. which is what happens, especially if you're like in your late thirties, and you're a pro athlete who's getting head trauma on a regular basis. All those were all things designed to lower your testosterone, all those things. It's almost like nature has it set up, like you're going to get hit in the head so many times for just slow the fuck down that Jesus Christ, like literally slows down your testosterone from head trauma. It's like we got to figure out a way to stop getting hit in the head and maybe this asshole is Too aggro nature doesn't know that you got a fucking fight and career to think about Yeah, I hate watching him fight cows Aggie Yeah, did you like how's Aggie there?

He's a shell of himself. He's a shell of himself. I don't think cows Aggie could have hung with Roy when Roy was in this prime when Roy fought Vinnie Pazzie ends it was the first fight ever recorded where the opponent did not land a single punch He went through a whole round, boxing with Vinnie Pazianzo. When Pazianzo was in his prime, and Pazianzo swinging for fucking fences, again, nothing for a whole round. I mean, that's insane. You're in the, you're both punching, and this guy hits you 60 times, you hit him zero. That's insane.

What you need with an Anderson Silva, you're gonna need a Roy Jones type dude to beat Anderson Silva. You're gonna need a guy who's got that kind of butt with more time. Those guys are out there, man. They're out there. They just gotta put it together. We all knew like, you came up doing martial arts like a good portion of your life, right? So you must have went to like karate tournaments and saw like those a few young kids that weren't super talented where everybody was like, god damn. But sometimes they never come to fruition. They never become the martial arts legends that they could have been.

Yeah, there's those guys who have that the lethal combination of like dedication and that free. And freak bodies man. So people have to do some freak shit. Yeah. There's certain dudes that like John Jones can do some freak shit to people. You know, like he can, you know, he's spinning elbows people in the head. He's giant. You can't get a hold of them. He else wrestles everybody.

He's fucking scary, right? Dude, scary right now. He's on this next level, scary shit right now. He's just, like, so confident. It's like, it's a sad thing. It's like 15. He's like 15. I think you just turned 24 or 25. Yeah, well, it is a a young man's game. It is. What is the this condition that pulled you out of your next fight?

What is it called?

What is what is what does it mean?

You have a second heartbeat.

yeah that doesn't sound that sounds like something they were probably not gonna do in five years yeah they're gonna go well back when we used to go in there and burn it out we realized that's actually a mistake yeah that was actually you know the human body figured it out and everything was cool and running smooth and we were being ridiculous yeah

So their concern is that if they license you, and this is a potential issue, a health issue.

I think give you a harder.

So, you know, well, do you also have like a really low resting heart rate? Yeah, 42.

Michael Bispings is like 34. Yeah. That's insane. That's incredible, man.

Oh, no, you didn't.

He might have like the lowest working heart rate, you know, the resting heart rate of anybody in the, you know, seeing.

That's work. You only get bad for work.

Yeah. That's a fit motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting what you said about like natural talent and then the guys with natural talent. It's oftentimes they're the ones who throw whatever reason don't work as hard.

He's a very tough guy. You know, you knock that dude out. He gets up and he's like, I want to rematch. Yeah, like immediately. Yeah. It's pretty interesting. He's the guy that doesn't lose any steam if he loses. He just goes back to the drawing board, dust himself off, heels up, and has exactly the same style the next time.

Yeah. Okay. That's a lot of that shit out there, man. A lot of that barbarian blood. Yeah. It's out there. So, what are you going to do now?

Oh, Jesus.

They put you under what you're doing this. You're just chilling. Oh, what the fuck is that Dan Hardy? How's that possible? You just lying there? Yeah. That's not cool.

Well, the fuck thinks you could just chill while they send these like wire worms up your arteries. of the

Oh, I don't like to hear you. We have more time. There's people that just can't wait to be country dinner. And you got to feel sorry for them because I'm like a magnet for them. Of course. Of course. You're a you're a brass young man. You talk a lot of shit and people that that's how they one of the things that people like about it generates interest. You know how much hate jail son must get. All day, every day. All day, every day his Twitter must be a mess.

Yeah.

Yeah, he really talked himself into some great situations. Yeah. He's the best shit talker ever. He's exciting. What? Like, I love like interviewing him at a weigh-in because I know he's going to say some crazy shit.

Yeah, I mean, and he's so good even after he loses in selling another fight like that. Just think about what happened to dude got starched by Anderson Silva and then he says, you know what? Anderson Silva is only the beginning. I'm going to go after the light heavyweight champion and like all the sudden he's fighting a light heavyweight champion. I mean he goes from losing a shot at the middleweight belt to fighting for the light heavyweight belt. Yeah, and you know that's impressive. Yeah, I was and Dana's like he's the one who asked for that fight like I I understand that.

Yeah, I understand that he's one that asks for that fight. But that's, I mean, you got to respect the guy's ability to sell shit. I mean, he can sell a fucking paper of you, man. I mean, the dude just lost to Anderson Silva and there was white people all over the world convinced that he had a shot. Yeah. Yeah. There was white people all over the world. It was looking forward to him winning, you know? Yeah. He said, what a character. What a funny smart guy. Yeah.

He's so excited. He's so excited. He's so excited.

But he can fight too, man. He can fight. He's just, he's, he ran into two bus laws to the greatest fighters of the generation. Anderson, and I mean, look what he did to Anderson the first fight. You can't take that away from him. He didn't finish him with injured. That was an incredible performance. He was minutes away from winning title. He fucked up and that fight around, but he was doing close.

Well, it's hard to say he doesn't. It's harder to say he doesn't than to say he does. To say he does, you get all this evidence, the polyphelio fight, this fight, you know. The other thing is he's first of all he's just playing at a real high level and this kind of shit happens. He read a real fucking high level and if you look at how it happens in every other fight it happened in a way that sort of makes sense to him like Anderson Silver caught him in the triangle that sort of makes sense to him. He missed that that spinning back fist and he got caught that sort of makes sense But the John John's fight didn't make any sense. The John John's fight was a mulling. John just took him down and mulled him. And I think that was like the most disappointed for him. Yeah. Because he's a very good fighter man. If you look at the way he's submitted Brian Stan, you know, that's, that's a scary dude. He'll tell something to Beast. Oh, yeah. But those A guys are just to step better. And that's what it is. It's just to step better. It's all they need to be.

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Yeah, I don't think, I think there's a certainly an issue and there's certainly a discussion to be had. And especially for testosterone replacement therapy, that's a big one. That's a piece of big one because that one for a lot of folks don't know like young fighters in their early thirties even even some guys younger than that take testosterone which is really kind of crazy like your body should be producing testosterone in healthy quality quantities like deep it deep into your thirties it starts to drop off when you start hitting 40 if you're like

Yes. And if you're, if you're fit and if you're, you're eating healthy and if you know you're sleeping right, you should be okay. So when you find guys that are like 30 and they're taking testosterone placement therapy, you know, okay, what are you doing? Because what you're doing right now is you're putting testosterone into your body that doesn't exist. So does it not exist because you've been hit to many times, which we both know is also a real possibility. In fact, this guy, Dr. Mark Gordon, who worked with James Tony, he's done a lot of work on that. showing how a traumatic brain injury to both soldiers and people who do extreme sports. The traumatic brain injury has a significant impact on your body's ability to produce testosterone.

Joe Sundins picking that line up. It's not a situation where it happens in one, one, nine. It's a situation where you're beating yourself up. You know, if I've never fought an MMA fight, but I've watched you guys train, and you know, I see the amount of hours that it takes in a day to do a real proper six-week camp. And for folks who don't know, it's insane. It's insane. It's fucking madness. And I think some guys think the only way they can get through that is with some help. Because if you don't get through that, then what are you going to do when you get in there with a guy like GSP, when you know he has gone through that, you're like, well fuck, you know, you're you're doomed. You're going to keep up with them for a little bit, but eventually he's going to steam all you. Yeah. There's just no getting around it. If you don't do what everybody else is doing, how can you compete?

Just thinking about aliens. Yeah, terrified of aliens. Yeah, I wonder if he hates fighting dudes with Alienware on their trunk. I know.

He's hired by Alienware spots with a lot of fighters. You know, maybe GSB has a deal.

It's amazing. He's awesome. I love that guy. He's awesome. That was a beautiful interview man. Really was. He's a guy who he's he's he's like kept his humility better than any champion ever seen.

Weird, right? Yeah. He's like, there's no no one like him when it comes to other MMA champions. He's like such a, he's a sweet guy. It really, really nice to be.

And he still, no matter how much attention he has, he's still the same guy. He doesn't fall into it. Yeah. You know, that's a real issue with folks. Fall into that, you know, they get caught up.

Yeah, you know what I'll trickle down from the top that for us a hobby guy.

Really, really strange, really, really fascinating. Yeah. We went to dinner with him, me, him and Eddie Bravo, like a Danny's or some shit like that. And we just broke down the universe together. John Donahir is a beast. He's amazing. So, so fucking smart. Yeah, and that's actually how I went. That's how I wound up doing the Taekwondo with George. Okay. I'm teaching him how to throw the turning sidekick correctly. It's from John Donahir. Like Donahir was asking me if I knew any high-level Taekwondo guys that can teach George the proper mechanics of the spinning back kick. Okay. And I felt like such an asshole saying, like, yeah, I can just do it, right? You know, it sounds like such a Hollywood douche move. Like, oh, yeah, you know, you're going to teach George fucking Saint Pierre how to throw a kick. But there's credit. He actually listened to me. Like, I couldn't believe you tried it, you know, because I wouldn't have listened to me. I'd go like, yeah, bitch. All right, I'll go watch a kick-up bag for a kick. What can actor weirdo? But George was like super like humble and eager to learn. He's a really unusual dude. It's weird how many different like the way people perceive like MMA fighters or even Jitsu athletes or kickboxers the way people perceive like people who compete in combat sports and the way they really are it's so different. Like, my favorite people, some of my favorite people of all time that I've ever met have been fighters. Because there's something about the type of character that you need to have to be able to test yourself in such an extreme environment. Like, that's a rare quality. It's a very real quality. And there's some people miss, mistake it with being a barbaric thing because they think that somehow another, we should not be violent because violence is bad. And even though it's a competition, and they both agree to do it and they can be respectful, it still seems like it's anti societal. But they don't understand. They just haven't experienced anything like really intense themselves and known that there's only one way to develop real character and have confidence in that real character. You're going to put yourself in fire.

And you're not worried about physical confrontation or so you have anything to prove exactly. And that's the real issue with a lot of guys is the need to prove dominance, the need to prove. But guys who have had martial arts backgrounds, they don't have that need. They can chill, they can relax. They're way easier to be around. I've never seen shit start up between like

Oh, yeah, that was Christian and Marcelo. Yeah, he got him a child and put him a sleep. And that was, but it was Charles Crazy Horse Bryant and Crazy Horse actually got up the legend is and and soccer punch Vandley knocked him out cold. And it was right before Vandley was supposed to fight Ricardo Arona. Yeah. and Van Delay literally got knocked out, got woke up, and that it sent out to this, if you're gonna believe Charles crazy horse Brian. Which, I wonder if he's telling the truth, man, because he crazy horse was nuts. And he could knock a mother fucker out. He had a serious punch. Crazy horse could punch fucking hard. Enough to easily knock on a hundred and eighty five pounder if he's stuck a punch to him.

Well, he would get to the top of the cage and do back flips off the top of the cage. He was like the first dude doing that.

Yeah, jump up and sit up there doing the fight. Yeah. He would suck her punch guys like in the middle of a round just damn and that and and just knock him out cold with like a punch that you don't think should land had for the gold teeth Yeah, and a balicolava.

Yeah, anybody, who was the fighter that while the referee is reading the instructions, he's like mugging to the camera with his big giant smell of gold teeth. He was, he was another character right out of a fucking moon. Yeah, he was constantly getting arrested. I hung out with that dude. Me and him and Eddie Bravo hung out with him and his girlfriend. We watched some fights together. It was when K1 did an event in, I think it was K1, did an event in Hollywood. in some soccer stadium, some outdoor stadium. And just by chance, we sat right next to each other. I had a great time with that dude. That dude was hilarious. We were just laughing at everything. He's a wild mother fucker.

I don't know. We'll play Guida one weekend in Chicago. Then he took me to my show. He insisted on taking me to my show. So it was me and him and Eddie Bravo and Clay Guida was driving. He played Guida drives like, like, he fights. He drives exactly like he fights. But just sitting there just going, whoa. Like, I trust him. I think he knows what he's doing.

So they drove your car up.

And wow. God damn, that's a long ride. How much is a Southwest flight? It took a hundred bucks.

Yeah. That's crazy. I know they go to San Jose. Yeah. That's not far from San Francisco. You could do San Jose and then you drive for like 30 minutes.

have you ever done the Bart and San Francisco? I we were filming Fear Factor in Oakland and I ate a pot cookie or something in my hotel room because I was hanging out with the crew and they were really cool guys but you know I was I was like I have this cookie and let me just say I'd probably make it more interesting hand these people so I take this uh, it's not insult. They were, but they were straight. It's my point. I couldn't say, hey, who wants some podcasts, they're like, hold on me. Oh, no, no, no, no, you're not going to get me any of that. You're really crazy. I don't think so, pal.

It's because they were straight. No, yeah, I was like, well, good enough. Great sucks with them. They were you know, they're straight straight arrows like you could offer them a drink Yeah, I'll have a margarita. You know, they get crazy. I have a margarita But if you like who wants to eat some hash fucking get the fuck away from me So I ate this podcast again. I get on this Bart thing man. I am flying. I just totally overmodulated. Sometimes you just, you don't know what the fuck you're eating. It's just eat one and it just puts you, it puts you in almost like in another dimension. It's like your face is under a waterfall. Like about to peer to the other side. You just can't quite get there. Like that high. And my ears are ringing. I'm like, Mark Poppin. I'm like, why are my ears poppin? And they go because we're 500 feet under water. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? I would have never said yes to this. If you ask me, do you want to go at a fucking tube that's under the ocean in a place where the ground moves? I would have said, fuck you! I don't want to do that. Why are we doing that? That's like playing musical chairs.

Get the fuck outta here.

That movie sucks. You do not want to be in that movie. You don't want to be dude in tunnels and concrete under sea walls. Just seeing the rocks tumbling towards enormous rocks with walls of water behind them pushing them. Rocks at her thousands of pounds. And it's a matter of 10, 15 seconds for the hate.

Yeah, you don't matter to bitch. You are a footnote and history. And that's a wrap, son. Yeah. Clean it up. You're clear, Mr. Hardy. Thank you for playing this life.

Good move, son. Good move. Now that you put it that way.

is unfortunately. Um, Dan Hardy, you, uh, you recently went to the jungle. I did, and the jungle. You recently, uh, had an experience in the spirit world.

It sounds, it doesn't sound like a ridiculous thing to say. It does. You sound like one of those, be wearing, fucking, Birkenstock, wearing assholes, like, if you say something like that, like, yeah, I went to the spirit world. Oh, yeah, did you? Yeah.

You've got the beads. Yeah, you've got the beads. Yeah, there's like a certain thing to it. It's like it sucks when someone's fake in that thing.

I don't go straight praise on older women.

He's got this older woman. She's quite a bit older than him, unless attractive than him. But he's young and fairly useless. And like this fake guru type character.

Yes. Go to it. No, no. I haven't seen it, but I've heard of it. He makes a fake religion. A fake guru. Yeah. He's become to fake guru. Let's see, documentary on fake guru.

It's fucked how easy it is to trick people. That's unfortunate. You know, it's people want, but you know why I think this is why I think is because it's an insanely rare quality to be truly enlightened or even truly on a path of enlightened. A true path of enlightenment with true focus and you know and on a path for a real the pure sake of trying to figure out what this life is and figure out how to live this life better. So few people really really doing that that to even like attempt to do it is so doucheish.

It is, but it's also we don't like people proclaiming that there's something more grand than the rest of us. Some people, we don't like people proclaiming that they're on the path to figuring out where you're screaming in your car at a red light and you can't bounce a checkbook. You know, you know what I mean? People don't want to believe that there's a guy who really does do yoga every day and really does like find his center and it's made him a more joyous person. That's what I hear from you. A lot of you talking about you, buddy. That's what I hear. A lot of you being impressed with yourself. A lot of you're fucking annoying with your flip flops. And that that's what happens. It's like those so many of those guys. There's so many

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But it's, I have this doctor of medical swammy in here. Once the theoretical physicist guy, genius guy. And he was saying that sometimes people have to fake things in order to really truly make them happen. I let people use the word quantum when I know they don't really know what it means. But if this guy has interest in thinking it, maybe it would lead to a real interest in trying to understand quantum science. And I was like, wow, that's a fucking interesting way to look at it. It's like so I go so with like false gurus and play goes there to let them fake it Which I guess I guess but you know then they start you know fucking everybody's wives and well, yeah, yeah, killing all the male babies You know, it always goes south always And it's always a main challenge. It's had been a woman run called ever. Can you tell me that? There's a fucking, just that alone is great evidence that women are way less dangerous than men.

Yeah. Even if you have a shitty woman boss, Shane no cult leader. No. Hopers the closest woman cult leader. She's the closest to a woman cult leader. Yeah, because she kind of is... Yeah, she's kind of running a cult. She's running a cult of happiness amongst women over 35.

That's hard to make. Yeah, yeah. That's her, her shift. I guess she could run a cult. You know, but like there's not a lot of women who could pull that off and run a cult.

It's got to be insanity. It's first of all, how many women have ever achieved that before? It's not like your a man. If you're a man and you're like a media mogul, it's like, oh, look, another one. Another Richard Branson, another this, another that, another that guy, this guy. There's always a new guy. There's always some new guys, big loudmouth, it's on TV all the time, it makes a lot of money. There's always that guy. Well, how many of those girls? How many girls have just had all these women screaming and cheering where they see her? She gives away cars and shit, saves people in Africa. How many girls? Is there one other one ever? Angelina Jolie is kind of like rocking it in some sort of weird way, but she doesn't have like a talk show. No. Well, she's talking every day. She's like an actress.

Yeah, Oprah power is weird power. It's very rare that a human achieves that.

I wonder. Have you known anybody in? I don't know. Well, the only reason you wouldn't is if you think that you're better than other people because you're successful. The issue of running into people that want to take advantage of you, you're going to have that no matter what, you know, you would hope that your filter is good enough, that you'd be able to.

Yeah, you fucked up, son. You took it too deep. Should've backed off Elvis, maybe you would've stayed alive longer.

Yeah, there's something that happens to people when they get that cuckoo face. You know, they get that over the top by just in Viva's. Oh, he's gone. This young man's gone. You're trying to man.

Like what the fuck is that? Yeah. Well, that's what you do when you're fucking 17 years old and he fought a million girls a day for the past year.

Yeah, all right. I'm reasonable. He's just a motherfucking beaver. Justin Bieber or he could go to a restaurant and like put his hands up and say hello everybody and they would start cheering. Let's talk clap and work. Justin Bieber's here. Swag. They would go, oh my god. He just said swag. But that's his thing. So swag all the time.

I know a lot. We talked about it on the podcast. You fucking stoner. Yes. You know pay attention to things. You blocked me out like you were like, look at an old marriage. You blocked me out like we're married. He, um, yeah, he's, um, I know a dude who, uh, has done work for, uh, Mr. Bieber. So this is a very nice guy. That's good. Yeah, I'm as that too. I met him in his dad about UFC fight. And then I'm like very briefly, we had headphones on. They shook her hands. Hi. Hi. How you doing? and then the fight was going on. But no one could ask anyone to be able to handle that situation, any better than that kid's doing. He's doing way better than I would do. Could you imagine what fucking damage you would have done if you were that famous at 17? That must be ridiculous.

Just what kind of life is that? That guy lives. There's only one person on the planet that lives like that. That's him. Like who's he gonna compare notes with? Yeah. I don't know.

Yes. So what happened to her? She went crazy. She blew a few. Yeah.

It's money in the bank. I used to do a joke of a, before I'm going to call you, call him when crazy. I used to do a joke about who's money in the bank. It's like, this ain't going to want to turn out well. This is you. You're not always going to be that guy. You're going to be like a man someday. Like, that's going to be weird. Like, you became, you became unbelievably famous while you were a child. Yeah. How could you possibly handle that?

Jesus Christ. You know, there was a guy who got arrested. He was like one of those famous Hollywood investigative guys, like a strong arm investigator. And he had done some work with Michael Jackson. And what he says is that he wanted to check in and make sure that all the molestation allegations were incorrect. And he said he wouldn't work with Michael Jackson because he did something worse than molest them. What what that means, you know, I couldn't even imagine what the fuck that means.

It was enough that he wouldn't work with the guy. Yeah. I don't know if that's true. I mean, he's in jail. The guy who did it is in jail. And he did a lot of nefarious semi illegal type shit to the last strong arm shit, you know, but it seems like you have a little bit of a code and it seems like whatever Michael Jackson was doing according to him at least. That's scary, man. We were talking about Cleveland. We're talking about what happened in Cleveland before the show starts. Yeah, these guys, these three brothers had kidnapped these three girls and kept them locked up for 10 years. So they each got one. I don't know. I don't know what they did. I don't know the full details of story, but the guy who who saved him as his black dude. He, uh, he said that something happened and I think he heard some screaming and like he kicked down a door. Was he robbing the police or? No. Oh, he just never played them. He's trying to save them. Racist little fuck. I know what you're doing. I'm trying to keep black people from coming to your shelves ever.

And he said, he said, it's a really interesting thing. You got to see the interview. The guys were really entertaining. The guys saved them. Pull up the interview because it's pretty fascinating. And then don't worry, folks, we're still going to talk about the spirit world. I know, we got off subject, but to say, you know, to say, the Conan O'Brien show, but it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn Guys are bad motherfucker. He saved those girls. They were in there for 10 years. These guys were holding them captive for 10 years. What the fuck happens to people that allows them to do something like that?

How do they get to be that thing? How did they? That's the real question. Who did something to them?

Oh, yeah, I mean, I don't think, I think they were just, that was they own them. They were going to keep it that way.

I don't know. I couldn't imagine.

Yes, here's the dude. Here's the dude. Hot positive for a second, because I want to hear what you have to say about this, because yeah, that disturbs it shit out of me too.

How is he allowed to have dog? Yeah, ridiculous. That's all the dogs he killed.

What is the story? He killed a bunch of them, right? Yeah, how did he kill them? Yeah.

Oh my god. He had a bad reputation in the dogfighting community. You know, you're a cunt when the dogfighting world is like, you need to sell the fuck down. You're being mean.

When do you forgive? There's certain things that we don't forgive, right? I mean, we don't forgive child molesting. No one forgives that. When a person wants to rape kids, like you're off the menu for civilization, pretty much universal. But when you look at what some people are willing to accept when you It's clearly, there's like a sociopathic characteristic to that. There's a cruelty characteristic. But can a guy learn from that? We know we don't, they can't learn from child rape. They can't. The recidivism is way too high. Whatever it is, it's way too sick. The danger that they pose is way too great. It's like there's too much at stake. But the idea is like a guy that used to treat dogs like their shit and kill them should we give that guy a second chance?

Well, yeah, there's that, but there's also that his culture, like he grew up, like from the time he was a little boy, like they had dog fights. Like there's a lot of people in this world today that still engage in really regular dog fights. And if you are unlucky enough to be born in that environment, when do you make your own moral distinction? When do you realize that this is a terrible thing?

You know, how did you feel when you met him?

Yeah, sure, throw it up.

Okay, does any justice in the world this guy becomes fucking huge than Kim Kardashian? That was Joe's off put fiction. I'm sure. Yeah. That. This is real. I know. This is a real guy.

That guy's a bad motherfucker. You got to get him on the podcast. Fuck yeah, we do. We have to make that guy president.

She climbed down somehow. Somehow another she got out of whatever they had locked her up in. Crazy shit man ten fucking years and thinking that's gonna be the rest of your life having these guys just fuck you hold you down and fuck you every night and feed you fucking oatmeal. Oh It's some rundown house and Cleveland you're sexy for the social media with those guys killing you gotta kill them They just gotta remove right from the gene pool, but but don't you think there's something kind of sinister about like laying somebody down on the

Yeah, I don't think it's necessary. I think you just dig a hole, shoot them in the head, push them in the hole. Yeah. I really don't think you need to be fucking with all this injection.

Well, that's what they're trying to do. What they're trying to do is take the chaos out of murder. Yeah. They're trying to take all the variables out. This can do it nice and easy. A little poison. Here you go. Who did? Goodbye. Take care. That's it. That's a wrap. Instead of just shooting someone. You know, I mean, did you ever see that movie dead man walking? No. Sean Penn's a bad motherfucker. I mean, that guy knows how to act as asshole. He's a crazy dude, but he knows how to act as asshole. And he played this guy that was dying. He's going to go in for lethal injection. and the way he played it was so real. Like, you really thought he was gonna fucking die. And that's all avoidable, man. All that craziness, a strap in that guy in a freaking amount and injecting him so that you can feel better. Just shoot him and the fucking head and let's be done with this. Okay, it's real simple. That's a bad person. He's broken. We gotta get rid of him. Shoot him. Okay, there we go. Like they do on the walking dead.

That's just weird.

Hey, what do you want to do today? Some cool with beside each other. So tell me about your journey in the jungle. Okay. What happened? What caused you to want to do this?

Is it a theoretical cleansing? Or does it actually have a cleansing effect?

Yeah, it's a little acidic diet, right? Yeah, no salt question.

No oils.

Right. Now, so the tobacco ceremony is no psychoactive effect.

Okay, so the next morning you do the Iowa Eskis home? Yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of people believe that what psychedelic states, even if they don't believe that you're really contact in the spirit world, what they think you're doing by forcing yourself to take a hard look at yourself. and address some questions that you might have one way or another. But to do it with this stuff that absorbs your ego, it removes the ego. And in doing that, it's a rare state that you get to get the fuck away from your ego. But it really lets you get away from it to a point where you can see things so much more clearly. how much of the ego has just been really been sort of tricking you and deceiving you and making you believe that you're either something that you're not or you've gone further than you really actually have or your ego has allowed you to sort of delude yourself to get by that's very strenuous existence and when you go into a psychedelic state It allows you to bypass all that and see it. That's where people don't understand that you can get to a mild psychedelic state from exercise in yoga. You can get there just to then sensory deprivation types you can get to a pretty extreme form with no drugs at all. But the ayahuasca ceremony is basically known as part of the grand mall of the psychedelic experiences, the most spiritual of the psychedelic experiences.

Have you ever experienced the raw form of DMT? Yeah.

Was it 5 MEO DMT or was it NDMT? There's two different kinds. Okay. Five of me. Yeah. Five of me is quite a bit different. Yeah. There's no visuals. It's a very intense feeling of connection and it's very, very potent. In fact, I think it's like supposedly, obviously, I'm not some sort of a scientist here, but supposedly it's even more powerful gram program than DMT is. But the DMT, the NMDMT is what you get in the IOSCO. Okay. When you eat it, if you try to eat DMT, there's a stomach or chemical produce, your chemical, your stomach produces something called monoamine oxidase apparently, and that breaks down DMT. So with these brilliant people that live in the Amazon, a figure that I'm going to do, is mix the vine of one plant with the leaves of another and cook it all together so that they've introduced a natural MAO inhibitor. It's insane. Did you ask them how they figured it out? No. Tanks McKenna did and he said that they always said that the plants told them how to do it.

Well, there's a lot of folks that pull the ocean say a lot of folks, but it's been speculated. I've read, read work where people believe that what we've created with civilization and with societies and especially with like modern societies where there's like mass speed communication it's like people are sending each other text messages and watching television always is that we're missing out key information that is there in nature and that literally if you're in a natural state like if you're living in a natural state and you're away from the the the distractions and the madness of the fucking civilized world that there's literally a signal that you can't quite pick up anymore. And that signal is like a guide to get through life. Like the earth literally does talk to you.

I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I believe that it never really was the case that people were much more sensitive to the language of the earth. We did this possible. I think it's really hard to even wrap our heads around what it must have been like before they were language.

Yeah, fucking fluoride's bad for you. Yeah. How, well, how netty is that?

Supposedly. I don't know if it's in it's written any real studies. I have a feeling that might be something that someone just said once everybody just repeats. I can take it out and I don't mind. Well, it's I don't think there's necessarily a lot of evidence that it's good for you. I think people say that there's a connection between putting floor right in the water and and removing tooth decay. But it that also coincides with education about brushing. I mean, the other that shit went down when people realized that you have to brush. You know, and then putting fluoride in your teeth brush in your toothpaste. That's not so good either. Even though you don't eat it, it still is like, there's a reason why you don't swallow that stuff. Once you like, yeah, it's in the foam and I put it in my drinking water though. Yeah. Fuck, it's crazy. Yeah. But why do we still do it though? I don't know. I'm sure there's some grand scheme. But it's been some of your tweet about, and I'll spend the next four hours festering over it.

It's possible. But I think that if you were living in the jungle and you needed to survive there, it is possible that you would at least have an idea of mixing these two things together and cooking them. But you imagine if you found out you were right. Like when you created Ayahuasca, I mean, if the dude just nailed it the first time, like, well, let's see what we got here. It takes a sip. Yeah. You must have been like, God damn, I knocked it out of the park. Yeah. Well, look at that. Fuck you vegetable soup. I got some shit. And we'll kick your dick right into the dirt, son.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, completely maxed it. Now only that. And he, like, rode home and thought he was going mad. Yeah.

I don't know. I think the for initial amount he took was way higher than like a normal dose. I think it came in through his fingers. I think because that's the thing about acid. It'll go right through skin. Yeah.

Yeah, that's it. Like the first time, the first dude to figure out how long ago was that? They say it's at least 2,000 years. They say they've shown like archeological evidence of Iowa's key use up to 2,000 years ago.

How would you begin to make sense of that? Yeah, how would you?

It's very fascinating. You know why it's fascinating because you've experienced it and you know it's real to a joke destruction worker lunchbox that's listening to this nonsense right now. You know, I like that Joe Rogan podcast, but every going then they go off the fucking tin foil hat deep in and this guy's talking about journey into the spirit world that I want to be a shaman get the fuck out of here. Tell me a joke ass face. Okay, that's what you hear for your fuck.

possibly well done. Yeah, you know it's real. You've done it, you've experienced it. And it's not just real, it's real in a way where you feel sorry for people who haven't experienced it.

Maybe, maybe this might be just seeing them at their worst. Maybe they would say that about you if they caught your beaten off. But I'm maybe, you know, you're this fucking, you're ice-crossing a tongue out of your mouth. And like, yeah, this guy really needs a fucking ayahuasca seminar. You need to get your own life together, son. They would come down, you.

I think that that happens a lot of the time, but I'm not completely convinced that happens all the time. I've definitely heard of people having bad experiences or going there when they weren't ready for it. I think psychedelic experiences are incredibly powerful and to say that people should or shouldn't do it is equally foolish. Because to say that someone should do it, it's like, how the fuck do you know that I should do it? What cause you did it and you like it?

Yeah, don't get a twist it. I'd like to take over to I'd like to take over to Peru. That's what we need to do. Yeah, we need to get Oprah and bring her to the jungle.

I think it's already happening. It's just we haven't heard about it all yet. The hopes are. Listen, there's if there really are people and they really are that really do have a massive amount of power in this world and they really do. You don't think that they've wanted to look into that. Like why would you not want to look in that? If there's anything they could freak you out if you were in the Builder Burger Group. You motherfuckers sitting around doing Iowa'ska talking to the great serpent as it breaks down your life and the kind of damage that you're doing to society and civilization and how unnecessary it is and how you're still unhappy even though you're doing it even though you're manipulating the banks controlling the resources of the world instigating wars overseas and profiting off of it in some strange fucking shell game that nobody completely understands you're still not happy bitch and that's what it would tell you It would be good for everybody.

I think they all need to realize that you don't need that much money, if luck. Yeah. Crazy. You go crazy asshole. You got caught up in your own game. You got to the point where you control the world's economy and your worth billions.

You don't need billions. That's stupid, man. That's dumb. You can have a nice house and food and not worry about shit for way less. Yeah. and never have to worry about a single thing for the rest of your life. Like you're in some crazy stratosphere that no one reaches and you're still trying to make more money. You're still trying to fuck people over. You're a sick fuck. You're sick. There's obviously broken. It's very stupid too because you could be having a great fucking time every day for the rest of your life. If I had billions of dollars, every day would be fishing, I would fucking go fly kites. I would do travel to it. Today we're going to Hawaii. Who gives a fuck? You've got a hundred million dollars in the back. Like, you're, instead, what are you doing? You're trying to fuck over Portugal. You're trying to steal, steal oil out of the Amazon. What are you trying to do?

You're fucking hunting up the world. Yeah. It's not necessary, but they don't know any better because they're caught up just like those same people with the casino. Those people are caught up too. They're caught up in like a hitch in the human mind that allows you to try to solve puzzles and seek conclusions. And you're changing and you just hijacked that shit with three lemons. Your fuck I can find the three lemons they're in there and then your brain gets locked in this stupid thing and then the cigarettes you suck on these cigarettes that these same people extracting millions of dollars from the society by feeding people these poisonous fucking weed-filled tubes that you light on fire and you poison yourself and when they get sick they give them the drugs to fix it yeah lots of play I got playing shit to fit I would you know basically I'm not cancer at the box in the next couple years to wear babies to Johnson's keep fucking smoking away it's a it's a we live in a mad world we live live in a world that should be a movie and nowhere is that more readily available or honest than when you have a psychic experience because when you see what mushrooms can do or we can see what DMT could do and whether it's an ayahuasca or regular form. You realize like, there really is like a magic in the world. And it sounds so stupid that if you haven't experienced it, you really would, and even people who even have experienced it, they don't want to describe it that way because they don't want to sound stupid to people haven't experienced it. so that'll go look it's nothing magic your your cerebral cortex gets flooded with chemicals your the visual aspect of your interpretation of the world around you gets hate hijacked by these new chemicals and it just fucking give maybe or maybe you haven't done it yet yeah and if you have done it maybe you just cynical maybe you're missing out on what fuck that is that's a magic fairy dust bitch you get to go to a fairy land

No, we can't speak. No, we can't speak.

Yeah, but thinking that way like being powerful and thinking positively that really does change your fucking life and people don't understand that like it is silly. Yeah, it definitely seems silly. It sits if you're a serious person who's a conservative man who's not to be mocked and laughed at, he wouldn't engage in such behaviors, but Life itself is silly. The whole thing is silly. The whole thing is completely ridiculous. You know, so if you didn't that, you know, to be worried about looking stupid by trying that out.

Yeah, isn't that the weirdest thing about it? The weirdest thing about it is how it feels so comfortable. And so normal, it feels so familiar.

It could, well, it's so close to normal human neurochemistry. The most profound ones, they're all, they're so close to normal shit you brain produces. Like mushrooms Mushrooms in DMT are very closely combined, very closely related to chemically, and DMT is produced by your brain. So all of those experiences are just, they know exactly where to hit in your mind to produce this stuff. Can't think of that's a coincidence. I can't think of that's an accident.

I don't know if that holds up scientifically. It's far as the timeline. But no, I've never heard anyone say anything more plausible. No. There's no real serious explanation.

A doubling of the human brain size of a period of two million years. And apparently that's the greatest mystery in the entire fossil record. I've always wanted to have a real light day so much dreams and fight like a grandma or a grandma and a half and fight and fight yeah yeah well you know I know people have played pool with it and they say they can't mess they say they know where the ball is at all times they feel it moving on the table and three dimensional space wow Yeah guys just to play pool on small amounts of acid too and like have the best game of their life. Why pull that? I mean what a waste of the waste of the last day. I guess you'd want to be doing something creative but if you were a serious pool player like that's apparently the way to get really awesome.

What about golf though? No, no golf is first of all golf. You're out there walking around the rain. That's retarded and second of all you chasing a ball around. It's all on this one table that the environment is exactly the same every time. You're not dealing with holes and rolls. I bet I would love golf, but I'm terrified of trying it and finding out that I love it.

You're out there eight hours a day chasing a fucking ball. When you play 18 holes, like that's several hours worth of playing eight hours of drinking.

Bill Murray didn't catch up. It wasn't that his thing. It wasn't it. It took us and played golf. I know that people have done it. It gives you more sensitivity, apparently, more spatial recognition, more understanding of distance deception. Yeah, and that that's perception. And apparently, in a way that really you never, you never see this field.

Yeah, could you imagine if, well, he knows steroids, but you tested positive for mushrooms, you fuck like Jesus. What are you doing? Yeah.

Well, there was a baseball player famous baseball player who pitched a no hitter at one is on acid. Really? Yeah, who was that? Do you know it is? Hold on. I'll pull it up. No hitter on acid. It was on during the seven days. And apparently what happened was he wasn't supposed to be pitching dock hours. He wasn't supposed to be pitching that day. So he decided to get lit up, pick some acid, and then like something happened. They called him in and he had to go play. And he said he was just flying high and he pitched a no hitter.

Those were crazy days. But you can't go back. No, they're going to be looking back at this day, thinking how crazy we were as well.

That definitely, yeah, there's gonna be one of them. Sure, there's gonna be a better version of that. But the smoking in the skies, the most ridiculous one.

Yeah, everyone's smoked. I was watching invasion of the body snatchers the old version. Fucking doctors sitting there lighting up in the middle of a doctor's appointment.

He's junky. He's hooked. But yeah, do you think that I mean, it sounds a crazy thing to say. But do you think that I'm up in the future? I'm sure you are. Do you think that the future of the world? Do you think that it really depends on how many people have psychedelic experiences? Yeah. Like that we need to tip the numbers. in that direction. In order for it to get a just a large percentage of people that are at least willing to question the way the whole thing is built. Yeah. At least willing to question the way they're living their own lives. At least willing to question what it is we're doing here. What are we doing exactly? Moving on momentum every day. Yeah. Getting up in your alarm clock goes off. What the fuck are we doing?

We haven't been aware for very long. I think that's a real problem. I think that the human race is in the middle of waking up and trying to figure out what the fuck it did to get here and what it can do moving forward. And right now we're still operating on what it did to get here. We're still operating on the ripples of the effects of everything that's gone on in the past. And so when you say something like that, like, yeah, people need to do psychedelics, they just immediately dismiss you. Like, you're all like, this crazy fuck, like listen to him. Yeah, people need to do drugs. Yeah, that's what they need to do downharny. They need to do drugs.

Oh, I see, I think they combined us. Okay.

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's what it is. There's a lot of people that do these brilliant candidates together. Yeah, they do them on their own. No one tells them to do it. They just do it. There's so many of them out there, man. It's incredible.

That's a jihippee term. It is raise your consciousness. It is.

But it sounds like what a dude would probably say if you're trying to fuck you. Tell you know, just trying to raise your consciousness. You're saying to a few and I mean love.

Listen, Dan Hardy, I know you're tricks on. But what you're saying, though, I agree with entirely, even though it sounds like dirty hippie talk. What you're saying is that we have to kind of realize that the only way to really enjoy this life is you've got to not just bring yourself up, but bring up the people around you. And as they rise up, it'll rise you up as well. And that we really all all connected. And that's your ego. that keeps you from seeing that. It's your ego from trying to separate yourself from all these people that are around you and thinking that you're on your own. But you're not on your own.

Well, it also the reason why that exists. The reason why those things can happen is that people are willing to overlook. normal human morals and values in favor of prophets. Yeah. And when as soon as you're the numbers, the one and the zero become the almighty, then you're fucked because then you're caught up in the wave of ones and zeroes yourself. You can become just as disposables anybody else. I mean, you should just that alone should You get people recognize that. Humanely, if you want to get through this life humanely, you cannot only look at the ones in zeros. Because that's, everything that's fucked up about the world, whether it's war, whether it's manipulation of the markets, whether it's controlling an attribute, all of it is about ones in zeros. 100%. Yeah.

You're going to get a pre-estant, honey.

But the thing is, it doesn't make any sense. Shelby GT500s and new ones pretty fucking good on gas. Turns out a big powerful engine that's not working very hard is pretty efficient. But the thing is, it's not what you just did.

Because it's boring as fuck to drive. It's just, you know, so you can't move on to free us. Leonard Skinner's music, we're driving around the Kia diesel. So, so the options are free us to get far too much. Doesn't sound right. You want to hear the engine, you know what I'm saying? You want to be able to shift your own gear, son, all these things that are dying off.

Like, it's easel. We run our muscle cars.

Yeah, it is a finite resource apparently, but I don't understand how that works. I don't understand how much oil is left is, you know, the problem with one of those controversial subjects like peak oil is when you hear those guys talk, you know, no, who the fuck is right? You know, this guy's saying there's a, I read a book called Black Gold Stranglehold that was through climbing that oil is a repeatedly made repeatedly made fluid in that way. Welles that have gone dry. If you give him enough time, they start producing oil again.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the idea that anybody could own the oil. I mean, that's ridiculous. That's the whole earth you fuck. But I said over there in your metal boxes, Ging is kind.

You know what that's from they're doing what they're tired of picking people's pieces and having people they're so listen you fucks you can't Be can't be out here because it's dangerous too many you dummies get drunk and fall off cliffs and die That's why I think those dummies should get drunk and fall off cliffs and die I think that's the way I think in the hood without is actually going out and shooting people I'm with you son You know, there was a woman who recently died like this week in France, and she fell from like 900 feet off the top of a cliff. And by the time they got down to her, the vultures had already eaten her.

Yes, I agree with you, but to play doubles advocate, there's too many dumb cons out there that need a sign that gives them an unreasonable speed limit. It's just they slow the fuck down when they're around schools. Like our friends that we're talking about speeding and texting, you kind of a 60 mile an hour speed limit in front of a school without asshole driving. Okay, because someone's a little kid's going flying over the hood.

But the 15 miles now is smart because kids also are stupid and they tend to jump in a traffic. And they, you know, oh, my luck, my piece of paper, shit, man. I need a fucking past these kids. And they run out into the street and boom, I got to be like, hit that break. You fuck, I got you.

Oh my god. How bad was that bad? Oh Jesus. Yeah, bad. Fucking aim. I don't want to see that. But I have. That's the problem with the internet. I've seen everything. Yeah. At this point, you've seen so much.

the one from Vietnam. Yeah.

He didn't even fucking move. He'd never like he'd never panic. He stayed in the Lotus position until he could take something to know it. No, I do not believe so. So that's what you're saying. I mean, if you're going to let yourself on fire, what fucking difference is I make how you're doing it. Just like yourself on fire dude. It's going to get kind of warm into Did you see the bear eat the monkey? No. In Hong Kong or Taiwan, maybe? I forget. Somewhere in Singapore, I'm just making sure that I don't really fucking have it. Some Asian country, there was a carnival show where bear was on a bicycle, see we pulled it up, jamming. there's a bear on a bicycle and a monkey on a bicycle and they're going around this ring and this is a pull it way up into the like the half of it into it before the the bear loses his shit right before there so the monkey crap pull back pull back pull back pull back pull back pull back pull back the monkey crashes a bike and the bear crashes into the monkey's bike runs on the ground and just decides to eat the monkey He's like, you know what? Fuck you. So watch this. Boom. The monkey crashes. The bear crashes on him. He's like, you know what? I think I'm just going to eat you. And just fucking malls that monkey. And they're all grabbing him and pulling the monkey away. And look at this. That monkey is Foxville son. That bear is just going off on that monkey. He's like, you stupid bitch. You drop your fucking bike. That's it. I've been thinking about eating you for months. I bet his instincts were when something goes down in front of you, you just start eating it. You know, I think that's like bare 101, right? If you're a bear and some shit trips in front of you like that, you just start eating. Like you got to get from the gods. How could he not do that?

Yeah, you don't train bare stupid. You think you train bare. So you train for a little bit. We got him to ride a bike. And while he's riding that bike, he's going, I want to eat that monkey. God damn, I want to eat that monkey.

Yeah, unless you're Joey Diaz, then you use it all day. You had all these experiences. Did it make you look at fighting any differently? Yeah. Yeah.

Can you continue with the same passion, having different ideas of what's important about finding?

Do you think that's what Anderson's doing?

He's just so good at that. That's how he likes it.

Do you think that becoming more aware or reaching a higher state of consciousness because of your experiences will actually help you because it'll abandon a lot of the distractions that you present yourself almost unknowingly?

Yeah, the music that you listen to when you train can have a profound effect on the approach of training.

That's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People have like sex songs. Yeah. My name is sex songs that remind you of disappointment. Songs that remind you of sex.

Well, it's just standard, isn't it?

So what's next from here if you your focus has moved slightly off of fighting and you still are interested in fighting and you're still interested in seeing what sort of state you can achieve inside the the Arctic aren't what else are gonna do with your time?

George was talking about how much he enjoys training in between fights because then he just like he just will go box for like six weeks or eight weeks just only boxing constantly on that little duty to New York Yeah, go there with Donna here. I'm trained with him for six weeks. Yeah, I just want to do that.

Are you going to become a shaman? I don't know. I feel like you are on that path.

And do improve yourself.

It was illegal to admit it on this firecast.

like hunted meat or free range. Exactly. I would fish all day long because fish don't even take care of the babies. That's my logic on fish. But anybody doesn't need fish as crazy.

Farm raised is not good a lot of farm raised stuff is not good because first of all a lot of times they're exposed to higher levels of mercury and apparently they're higher levels of toxins because if you're in like these tanks of water or farms of all fish you shit on each other and it's just It doesn't taste good. I mean, it's better than not eating it. I mean, it's not that bad, but I think that it's been proven that when you see like red, deep red salmon and then you see like the salmon that you get, like the farm raise salmon, where they have to die at pink, it's been proven that that's wild stuff tastes better. There's something better about it. It's probably better for you. I don't know if it's better for you, but it's probably better for you. Yeah.

That's hilarious. Welcome to America.

It's hilarious. It's really funny. People that don't

People can. No, I'm not 100% proponent of all people using marijuana because I know some people can't. Well, yeah. I know they can't.

Yes, there's certain things that people say where you automatically know this guy gets high, but I think it seems like they get high and they don't get high. Like Stan Hope. Thanks, Stan Hope totally seems like you would get high, but he doesn't get high. He doesn't like it. This doesn't make some people paranoid.

I couldn't tell, you know, I feel like it's obvious when you look at terrible people that someone's brain works different than your brain or my brain. When you see like like Gandhi, for sure, his brain works different than my brain. There's just no doubt about it. He also had his own path and he also had his own intentions and his own life. But I just can't imagine that his interpretation of life was the same as my interpretation of life. And if that's the case, how the fuck do I know what pot does to you? How the fuck would I know? You know, I know people can't smoke it. They smoke it and then they'll wake up three days later with their pants off in the jungle. You know, I don't know. It's like a good weekend. Unless one of those wandering spiders. Yeah, it gives you a hard until you die. I spent two weeks walking around the jungle in my underwear. How dare you, sir? Did you get nervous? No. Nothing biting you. Nothing. I feel like you had the secret on your sides and you're pulling up.

No, yeah.

Wait a minute. So you're on eyeoars? Can you hear Jaguars? Uh-huh. Jesus!

In those third world plane flights, them, them's a little different side. That was chickens in the back of the eye down with fucking duct tape.

Did you see that from Afghanistan? It was a cargo plane and they think that the cargo shifted the load shifted like it wasn't tied down properly. And when that happens, if the load shifts, the plane just immediately, all the weight goes to the front of the back of the plane, it just knows dime. Wow. Ooh. Yeah. It's pretty fucked up. We'll end on that for a nice, beautiful cherry way. Tanned. Just to let everybody know that you could, you could defy gravity for short periods of time every now and again. But if you fuck up, and or it fucks up, or this mechanical failure, or Jesus Christ. Imagine watching that.

Oh my God. That bus almost got hit by a plane that fell from the sky.

One day when we have magnetics UFO looking things that can't even run into each other because they have magnets on the outside so they go like this. What do you? When they bounce off each other? We'll look at so much again on crashes. I think they probably are already on I think Yeah, well, they always talk about when whenever like serious physicist discuss the possibility of space travel like interstellar space travel They, um, like, Stanton Friedman, like how, how could aliens be doing it? One of the things they always concentrate on is some sort of a magnetic drive. The, um, the guy, Dr. Robert Lazar. He's, uh, often criticized gentlemen claim to work in Area 51. Yeah. Whether or not I got told the truth, I don't know, but he described some sort of back engineering that they were doing at Area 51 and it was some sort of magnetic drive. The idea is that, you know, you figure out how to use magnets or something to overcome gravity and to create like a little hole in the space and time and just fly around through that. Whatever the fuck I even said, Dan Hardy, I don't even understand. I shouldn't be legal for me to say what I just said because I don't even know what the fuck it means.

Did you see this latest disclosure? These five days of disclosure hearing some capital hill? No. Dude. crazy shit all these different you know the real problem with any sort of UFO thing is that it looks silly it looks silly you saying you saw UFO makes you a silly person more silly even than I wasca because at least I wasca has a great body of evidence to support what's going on neurochemically. But you tell me, so you have to immediately become a silly person. All these like former military people, all these people that were air traffic controllers, pilots, all these people report these unbelievably unique experiences. And I don't know if they're telling the truth or not. But if they were telling the truth, if just one of these things happened every now and again, of course it would seem ridiculous to us on the outside. the people sitting down here it's it's natural to criticize it and make fun of it and laugh at it because it is kind of crazy to think that but if just one of those is true if just one of those are a real craft from another dimension from another planet You don't think that that's possible, you are silly. If you don't think that within from here in every direction, infinite space, what does that even mean? We don't even know what the fuck that means, right? It's gotta be something out there that's, I think it's a different thing that is not. If we survive, if we need little pesky humans, figure out how to keep going for another couple million years, who knows what the fuck we're gonna figure out? Yeah. To think that somebody else can't be out there. And what would we do if someone was out there? We would go check them out. Yeah, of course. We'd fuck yeah we'd check them out. Yeah. We go to the Congo. We go to the Congo, we check out tribes. We check out tribes, the fishermen, they're hanging off fucking trees, picking up fish with nets. We go watch them.

It's also speculation. Yeah. It's a complete speculation. But because you don't know whether or not you look at it in ancient drawings. You don't know what's fantasy. You don't know what's a story. You don't know what's their version of fucking the Hobbit. You know, they might make up stories. You know, who knows? It could be their version of Twilight. That's what when you look at it, aliens in the wall. It's their version. Like they told a stupid story to make everybody go to sleep. Who knows? We know that it's art. We've seen in there art these depictions that closely resemble what we would think to be alien spacecrafts or alien beings, but we don't really know what the fuck it is. It's not that much evidence. It's a small amount of evidence. There's a few cool videos. What is that? I don't know if it's real. It's hard to tell, but if it happened to you, man, you fucking know. And that's what you can't discount. You can't discount the possibility of unique experience. But once you've had a DMT trip, alien seemed like so pass-a.

Well, not only that, it's like, to have that experience like a ship lands and they get out, it would be so less bizarre because it's all taking place right here. You can see it. It's external. What's taking place also in the dimension that we're comfortable with, where we can walk on the grass and feel the grass, where we step on rocks, we feel the rocks under our shoe, your car's parked over there, you see the clouds above you, and then everything is basically normal, except this new introduced element, interior environment that you have to know except. Fucking little dude from another planet. Holy shit, this really is true. That's nothing compared to a DMT trip. Because the DMT trip, the dimension that you exist in, becomes of vibrant, glowing colors with no background and constantly changing geometric patterns that are, they're fractal and they're infinite. That's way crazier than an alien landing.

Yeah, Jesus Christ. It would blow your mind. When did they know that elephants existed? When was it first documented? By Western World. Obviously, Africans, you know, would be listening to this going bitch.

Like when did the civilized folk learn of the larger animals on the plains? You know, when did they discover? When did people discover elephants? Oh, it wasn't until 1900. But the white people got down there, proper people.

Well, I guess we grew up with them, though, didn't we? I mean, if you believe that human life emanated from the lower hominids that existed in Africa and came down from the rainforest into the grasslands, we would have probably been around them.

Oh, yeah, then it'd be aliens if you came over from I mean, essentially if you go anywhere where you haven't been there before and they have some new shit You're like what are you doing a fucking gang of rooms everywhere? What the fuck? I have a friend named Eddie if he's a stand-up comic and He's done very well in Australia and he goes over there quite a bit and one of the things he told me was that he first encountered a kangaroo kangaroos have killed people like many times like they will fucking rip you apart and he didn't know how big they got there's two kangaroos like a red one in a gray one I guess one of them's giant one of them's like nine feet tall and he was out in this guy's yard and he saw this kangaroo and he thought it was a statue because it was too big he started walking towards it so it's like because it was nine feet tall wow and he was like well that's not really kangaroo kangaroo and his friends go stop

Get the fuck away from that thing! Tangaroo looks at him and also he realized, oh Jesus, this is a nine-foot squirrel that's about to fuck me up.

It's a nine foot jumping squirrel that will kick your guts out. Yeah.

Yeah, and aliens the problem I always have the aliens is they look so much like us in the future Yeah. I was wondering whether or not the big, the grand theory is the simulation theory that we're living inside some sort of artificial reality, and that the aliens really are us. And that's why we have this weird image of that being us and the future we're already there. And we didn't like it, sucks. It's boring. We sort of evolved the fun out of life. So we've created this crazy simulation that we all exist in. That's the grand theory. That's the grand theory involving the aliens. For me, at least. That's why they look like us. And that's why they have big black things for their eyes. We've fucked the environment so hard that you have to have sunglasses everywhere. You just everywhere you go. You have to have built-in sunglasses. So we just artificially create sunglasses for each other. Just put giant fucking black things over you guys. Don't worry about the fucking hyperviolet rays or whatever is out there. And we have Jack and you.

Well, at that point in time, you probably could troll everything with your mind. So, yeah. This is probably no need for muscles. That's why they're so skinny. There's a little tiny dudes with giant heads, and they'd control everything with their minds.

No doubt about it. I think that if we can send to this day, this computer's not hooked up to anything, Dan Hardy. but yet it's on the internet. Yeah. It's getting the internet through the space around us. You know, you tell me that that can eventually be human consciousness itself, traveling through space through some sort of a mechanism for generating it or promoting it or projecting it. Do you know the fart theory coming?

You know the fart theory coming. My alien fart theory is this. If someone farted and you didn't have a sense of smell, you'd have no idea that you're sitting someone's fart. Because you can't see it. You know, you really don't know. Farts are like a real fart. You're like, oh my god, you'll get the fuck out. You close your mouth. But you don't see a damn thing. Somehow I know that you've been affected by something that you didn't pick up with your normal senses or with all of your normal senses. You heard it and then you smelled it, but you saw nothing. How do we not know? There's not an infinite amount of things all around us all the time that we just do not have the ability to detect.

So he's not a fault though. Ken's small fart. Yeah, and you don't know what the fuck that is. That's energy. Yeah. And the big of the dude, luckily the more energy he's gonna put out as far as you know, I mean, if Tony Hinch Cliff Farts of Joey Diaz, Farts of Joey Diaz, Farts of Joey Diaz, want to lean.

Come on. Listen, Dan Hardy, you're a bad motherfucker. I'll have you on any time you're around, man. Any time you want to come back, let's we could do this for I have to leave otherwise I would keep going forever. I think you and I could talk for a long time. Yeah. And we've been friends for a long time and you're a cool motherfucker. I like you and I'm really I'm very appreciative of how you are evolving as a human being. I think it's really fascinating to watch and I congratulate you on your travels.

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