Transcript for #433 - Duncan Trussell, Chris Ryan

Yeah. Yeah, I think that guy needs to stretch out that definition a bit.

It's a reasonable boredom. You know, if you ever had taken an ear beating from somebody, that's not anger. That's your board.

I'm full of psychic heartburn.

I'm the worst. When people are giving me ear beatings and I know I could be doing something more pleasurable, I just I can't take it.

I've seen she's in the unbearable lightness of being. I think it's one of those names that I've never actually heard set out loud, but in my impeccable franchise. Beautiful. Isn't that beautiful? I don't think I've ever seen it written down.

It's like built in like boring conversation. Yeah, it's like just I know I'm going to be talking to this dummy. So I'm just yeah.

Yeah, right ultimately never really truly be successful. Yeah, because it became successful people. Everyone would know. No, and it wouldn't work anymore. Yeah.

I'm gonna go ahead and he fuck all the phone would be like dude Yeah, really? What did you think we were saying? I thought you were so Larry would be smart enough to be tired of listening to your stupid shit.

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No, of course not. But who does? But it's the narrative. I mean, it is the narrative. It is the native. Yeah, I mean, that narrative comes up every four years. It comes up in various speeches that when the president gives speeches, you know, and people will pretend like they're dropping news and CNN. All these four dudes with no legs are heroes. Yeah, well, they're pretending these are legitimate conversations. Yeah. We were all on the mainstream news sources. So you almost have to address it in a way. You almost have to at least pay it some service just to diffuse it.

Could you imagine if there were spacecrackens? Could you imagine if, like, we had been all this time, we had never been found, but the universe is literally like an ocean, and it just takes time for one of those fucking flying fish to realize, oh, I can eat this one. So we're like a speck of plankton. We find that we're actually in an ocean. Dark matter, it's just water. It's just the where we're in some strange state. And that's the way of emotions. Yeah.

Yeah. There's not real water, but there's dark matter water. Nothing is beyond our reach. Jesus Christ, that's weird. That's weird.

Well, there's already a bunch of shit that gives fuel to the super paranoid. Like the fucking eye on the dollar bill, all that weird Egyptian iconography shit, all that, the Mason stuff, the, all that weirdness, man. Yeah. E-plorabasunum. Yeah, just, there's a lot of weirdness on just money itself, you know.

This has been a lot of CIA people that were in the psychedelic community. The problem is that young statements about McKenna have been dismissed by everyone who's listened to the recordings. It has half a brain. He was joking. It was a sense of humor. He was talking about alien intelligence and the mushroom recruiting him as a spokesperson. That's what he was talking about. I hadn't heard. And his Yans take on his literal. Yans take on his recruit and for the FBI, which look, I don't know, you don't know. But if you have to look at his what is most likely, well, if that's your only piece of evidence, if I listen to that most likely, I would say that he's joking around and he's talking about the mushroom. But Yans is one of those weird dudes that has been like researching this shit for

Yeah, there was some connection to Gordon Watson, the CIA.

I think the CIA, like, you know, see world. It's not 100% evil. You know, there's probably a bunch of people there that train dolphins that really love dolphins. Right. It doesn't stop the institution from being evil, just because a few of the people that are involved in it.

Sure.

Yeah. That was the connection, yeah. We have the documents. You know, I don't know if John's right or wrong. You know, quite honestly. I don't think he does either. I think, but if you look at it most likely. Most likely, that's not what was going on. And most likely, Terence McKenna was a hippie. And he uses also one point in his argument for saying that he was in trouble with the FBI and he got out of trouble, seemingly out of nowhere. But that's all documented by Dennis and Terence. They talked in depth about him turning himself in, and they're offering him some sort of a plea deal. Dennis said me the email, I could read it, but I don't have his permission, but I don't think Terence McKenna was in the fucking CIA. Yeah. Also, is it ridiculous? I mean, to be eye or whatever the fuck?

Well, I think we're used as a... Listen, anybody. And I really mean this. Anybody who listens to McKenna talk about, see, talk about psychedelics. Anybody who listens to that and is not intrigued is a fucking idiot. And I think that includes people that are in the CIA, people that are in the FBI, just because people are square on paper and just because, you know, they're supposed to abide by the schedule one rules of the United States government. Human beings are individuals and individuals have autonomy, a certain amount of it at least when it comes to their own thoughts. And you listen to a guy like Terrence McKenna and you go, well who's side do I take? The evil overlord that I fucking work for that pays my bills that couldn't give to fucks about me or the psychedelic bard who might be on to about a million things that I've never even considered once might be correct about this idea that he's preaching about psychedelic drugs being the very reason why human beings exist in the first place in our lack of use of them today is one of the reasons why we're so disconnected from nature like we just shot into space and then we lost our core that that connects us we lost whatever the connection was to how we got there Sounds ridiculous when it comes from a guy like me. And when you hear McKenna talk about it, when you talk about climateological changes, it about how the hominids moved out of the trees to experiment with new food sources as the rainforests receded into grasslands. I mean, this is like well documented shit. And then also the positive attributes of psilocybin, the increase in visual acuity, the fact that it makes them horny here. So you would get monkeys that were horny that could see better if they ate these mushrooms. And then the transcendent experience that comes from them, look, all those together can't be ignored. I mean, the idea that it's not considered primarily as the reason why we're not monkeys anymore is only because of enough people or too many people are ignorant about it and because the propaganda involving these drugs. It's been so strong that whether or not you believe that it's had any positive influence on anybody you know you can't deny that that experience is fucking mind blowing like legitimately fucking mind blowing to the point where if you haven't had it you wouldn't believe it's possible and then when you do have it the world is never the same again because you believe anything's possible Everybody ignore that how could you ignore that as a possibility for cognitive enhancement when you're looking at a primate a thinking thing that discovers this mind-altering insanely powerful drug that happens to grow the fuck everywhere

And the following these, the following these monkeys clearly tipping over cow patties and pulling out worms, they're experimenting with food sources constantly.

There's a doubling of the human brain size over two million years at directly coincides with this receding of the rainforests in the grassland and experimenting with all these new food sources.

What do you think I'll put it at listen to that?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I'll tell you, here's a really interesting.

And ultimately, of course, every result is a combination of things coming together and creating this one thing that we think of as like, oh, human beings, human beings, human consciousness, the evolved human consciousness. But when you think about all the possible factors that came into play, And all the different things that must have happened and selective breathing and how people figured out, you know, who to mate with and help people dance?

What's this dessert thing? Well, that's David Ike. Right. David Ike. I would like to have him on the podcast, but I think apparently he doesn't like talking about that lizard thing anymore. Oh, really? He's talking about the reptilian thing. He's moved on. Feels like he's a distraction. From what? I don't know, I mean, maybe he's abandoned the idea, but I've heard he got mad at somebody for talking about a thing. It was like a Jesse Vintura show. Do you know, you know, you get He might have got mad at Jesse Ventura. I think that was it. I think they got an argument. Jesse Ventura was calling him a fraud.

There's a good point there. When you say something like someone's a reptilian, everything else that you say, I have to go, come on man. You're gonna show the first instance of something that's able to change back and forth, by the way.

That's the idea. It's not just like your caterpillar, your butterfly. No, your caterpillar, your butterfly, your butterfly, your back to your caterpillar. That's what they're saying. They're saying that you can change back and forth. There's nothing that does that. There's nothing. You gotta have a video. You gotta have something. You gotta show me some fossils. You can't just go around saying people are reptiles, man. You know, you just can't do that, because that means you're thinking sucks. And I can't trust you to be the guy that talks.

evil it seems like well every animal besides us is Compassion less they are Compassionless especially of other animals.

You've met his dog, right? Well, even foxes, if ever seen foxes where people, they start living in the woods near foxes and the foxes eventually gain their friendship and then they become like their pets. It's very, very common for foxes to do that and to become almost like dogs and become really friendly with people. But, you know, ultimately what makes us human, one of the big things that makes us human is this insane level of understanding we have for what we are and what our place is and constantly recognizing it, constantly either coming up with some way to justify it and some self-righteous position to take or coming up with some way to try to fix the damage we've done or coming up with some try where you're just trying to at least understand it. But all those things are going on all at the same time. looking for validation is my idea right about this anger at this guy in traffic it's all this big sea of shit that goes on the same time so to compare that to anything else that exists it's like it's one of the weirdest animals that we've ever seen ever And it's us. We're the weirdest shit ever. If we didn't exist, if we like found us, like objectively found us and started analyzing our impact on our environment, this ultimately colossally catastrophic effect of us even existing. on everything else around us, just to annihilate the ocean of fish to the point where tuna are coming back radiated and there's fucking a massive patch of garbage in the middle of the ocean, the numbers of fish are down so radically, the people are worrying that within a hundred years there won't be any wild fish in the ocean anymore. Within another hundred years, we've cleaned out the ocean. We're getting wiped out of the ocean. If we watched us, from a far objectively we would be like oh my god fungal outbreak this is insane yeah planetary athlete's foot let's get that shit off of there super is I'm gonna like super yeah just athletes foot there's no lama so it's gonna get rid of people

Superates.

Yeah, humans is herpes.

Well, actually, it's also the chemical composition of psilocybin in the first place. psilocybin, which is very closely related to neurotransmitters, dimethylchryptamine. It's actually, I'm going to butcher the pronunciation, but it's something like four fox, four o'clock, C, N, N dimethylchryptamine. So it is literally like the same compound as a human neurotransmitter and it's mixed in with something else and this this phosphorus in the for position is for fox for aloxy whatever the fuck it is it's the only compound like that on the planet and they don't they don't know what the origins of it was they know where it came from It doesn't mean that it couldn't have been just a unique fungus. I mean, fungus has been in it themselves, are incredibly fascinating and closer to a human than they are to plant. Phunguses are weird. I mean, there are strange sort of karma-free life form that just It doesn't hurt anybody and just literally eats shit.

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Yeah. Just guns away. Well, I think it's much more much more that there is no, you know, good or bad when it comes to the natural kingdom. You know, that's much more of what it is. Even though it's karma-free, it's like the idea that it exists on your balls and it drives you crazy. It might be bad for you, but ultimately in the universe, it just sort of balances out. You know, I meant to say that. You could have a little itchit balls so that it can live. You got like pets on you.

Fascinating isn't it?

That makes sense to me, man, because the people that I know that have the hardest time keeping it together emotionally are people that don't work out. I don't know if it's coincidence, but the people that I know that have the hardest time emotionally are people that don't work out. And the people that I know that do work out, especially the ones that work out hard, they expel these big giant bursts of energy where your body is like almost dying. your heart's pounding in your chest. You're barely able to lift this piece of metal up again. You're barely able to jump up on this box again. You're barely able to, and by putting yourself in that intense form of stress, it makes regular life more peaceful. It's the end of the year.

Guys are high as fuck. The guys get high. They actually keep marijuana off there or they did for a long time off their drug list of the things they get tested. That's nice because they all like to play stone. That's cool.

Well, I think marijuana gives you a certain sensitivity to things. Yeah. To things like gives you a certain sensitivity to art like the art that you make gives you certain sensitivity to physical movements like a lot of guys love to do jiu-jitsu.

It's done.

Orange. Well, this whole room was orange. Maybe that's this vehicle.

Well, you're near. You're near this orange and you're also near it.

Too much to shit his pants. It's crazy. I thought he was my friend. Now everyone's crazy. You ever have a friend with crazy on you? Yeah. I've had friends that like legitimately lost their mind. I can't talk to them anymore. Like you would talk to him about events and his version of events would just like so not what actually happened. Oh, this is the person who lost their marbles.

I know you're, I know what you mean. I'm just saying people that just can't keep it together anymore and for whatever reason. whether it's a combination of life stress and biological situation, whatever the fuck they've got going on, you know, uniquely in their own brain. But some people just, all of a sudden, not there anymore. Not keeping it together. Did they think they're keeping it together? Sometimes, yeah, I mean, this broad range.

Nums the word most people are just not as long as these people can quantify on paper. I still have a $x million home. My car still costs $x,000. Yeah. This suit is an ex suit. I am still ahead.

Yeah, it's almost like you have to fall to really, that's what you gotta appreciate those moments when it all falls to part on you because that means you've got an opportunity to try it again. Let's take a new fresh perspective.

It's a beautiful analogy.

No, you have to be great up until that day. Yeah, a lot of great points. It's true.

This classic story of someone hiding a secret and going completely out of control because of the pressure of hiding that. Like that's the Ted Haggardie who's the secretly gay guy who's preaching against gay people. Oh, Ted Haggard. Yeah, Colorado.

Yeah. Yeah, he was just going so far the other way. He's just so off the rails, right?

He likes to little math and he likes to, well, the suck of your Cox.

Well, yeah, they made that Phil Robertson guy a very famous person Can you invent it a call for this rant? And now poor gay people have to hear that a man's Anus is not as good as a woman's vagina. Can you imagine if you made the choice for a man's Anus and you hear this fucking big bearded fascinista with his camel on a bandana?

Big bearded Christian, Bible, Selling and Fashionista. And he tells you that your choice was incorrect. That in fact, the woman's vagina is the better choice. The man's anis. I mean, come on, guys.

It's a duck thing, right? It's like duck, ready? If you're really care people are gay, duh. You really care the two guys love each other and that you are you against love. You only like love if it's a man in a woman like that. It's a fuck man really. It's a duck. It's duck.

You know a duck's gonna say you shoot ducks all the time, right? That's your thing.

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We are so lucky.

If we had like a rhino horn that never got tired, there would be so many people that you'd have to climb over people to get where you wanted to go. We would have to figure out a way to carry our own shit with us at all times. It would be really rude. And then we would have to meet and shit depositing spots and places where you get food. And it should be crawling over. And people just fucking along the way with their ram along the way.

No guys get broken dicks all the time. It bends badly. And it actually starts bleeding. They have to go to the hospital and get it repaired. You have like a big strong crazy girl like a volleyball player perhaps. Yeah. You don't let it get on top. It's very important. Yeah. Like a really strong woman.

No, no, no. Those girls are too strong in the legs. They're strong in the ass and legs because they could squeeze too tight. It's just a girl who can generate too much force. Because if she gets on top and she's going crazy, some of them will be crazy.

You got to make sure you always keep an underhook no matter what. Keep an underhook. You want to underhook and you want to control her hip. You know, you never let it go to. Because if she just one of those mad dog get riders that just wants to pretend she's at the road, she could break your dick, man. Especially a big girl. Oh, wow, stout bones make you a strong child. See, this is the stuff that you're talking about on TV. They don't tell you about this on Fox.

Did you see, um,

Did you see Lee Camp? Do you know Lee Camp is now he's a standup comic who is on Fox News and they were talking about something and he goes he just goes can I just ask you a question goes what is Fox News? He goes this is just a parade of ignorance. He's just a festival of propaganda. Really? Yeah, I'm not sure I might have switched the parade and festival, but those are pretty much paraphrasing his words. Here, we'll play it here because it's kind of fun.

Listen to the girl.

We're having some fun. Yeah, look who just being the board right now the ladies from the Starship Enterprise. Hello

They proved his point. It's almost like it's scripted. It's almost like simulation theory is true. And we're living in a goddamn colon brother's movie.

Well, the only way you can live that fake life is if it's fake. The actual, you know, this, this, this, this, this, this, this puritanical idea that they've held up. It's not natural. And they haven't been really living in any way. They've been pretending to be living in the, be freaks in the sort of a rebound sort of a way to balance everything out. And I think that ultimately that's being exposed. over and over and over and over again to the point where it's not going to be a viable option anymore like powdered wigs aren't a viable option you can't wear a fucking powdered wig you know and you can't pretend you're this you know Rick Santorum guy that you know just as a good man who believes in the Bible and doesn't want to see gays getting married doesn't want to ruin the institution of marriage with homosexual activity that's been shunned upon in the Bible. Man, quote, and you're like, oh, fucking crime any. What's going on, really? What's going on behind the scenes with you, Kat? What is in your head?

Well, even then there was a lot of electricity to vote it for him. But do you remember the criticism though? It was pretty open. There was a lot of people that didn't like him. I remember when he was in Austin.

Oh, well, listen, man, I'm not saying that, you know, he didn't dominate the vast majority of the, you know, there was a lot of idiots back then, but the difference between the way people look at him now and the way people look at him then, now it's almost all glowing. When people talk about ringing out, hardly ever hear any criticism.

You don't hear about all of us. Yeah, all of us. All of our North. All of our North. All of our craziness and, you know, yeah.

The reality is, it's not, but yeah, but it's not, it's not right because the media is a very different thing. The media where you're talking about television, you're talking about a very hard thing to get into. The media where you're talking about the internet, you're talking about an incredibly easy thing to get into. Literally open to almost anyone with an internet connection. You can make a YouTube video, it doesn't cost you a goddamn dime. If you have a laptop that has a camera on it, you talk into it, you make a YouTube video. That

That's not just a big change. That might be the biggest change in human history. It might be the biggest change since the monkey ate a mushroom. Right. Well, certainly since the printing press, printing press was a major. For sure, giant, you know.

Right, so one of the more fascinating things about this is that even if Amazon does put something online, it's no better than I justine, who has 45 fucking billion followers and every video she put. There's people like that that just became famous for the internet. Jenna Marbles is another one, right? She's got like millions and millions and millions of hits.

The duck dynasty guy has been giving speeches like that for years. If these biblical retreats and stuff, he's been doing that for this video.

He's a fire and brimstone, Godfaring Christian man. It was living on the wrong side of the law and Jesus at one point in time and then turned it all around and wants to let everybody know about the evils of sin. He's an old dummy. That's what he is. He's an old dummy that loves death.

He's an old dummy to probably just one time stuck to dick and liked it way too much. If someone stuck to his dick and it's his favorite moment. It looks back on his childhood and he's turned it into, you know, career.

I bet he was hunting that duck blind. They're all liquored up the moon shine.

That's really what it was all. It was just a duck saw him get his dick stuck by a guy and he's like, fuck that, it didn't happen.

That's the glue. Yeah. The glue that connects you to the fucking ducks and in the sadness you have for not wanting to be an argument. Yeah. Country music.

It's the glue that holds the whole. That's why you need listen to Phil Robertson. and that that God damn communist any that puts them on is that what it's on is on your tanny is not hilarious it's on any any you should be like fucking masterpiece theater shit yeah he's to have like you know arts and entertainment you know interesting fascinating programming that stimulates the mind

Yeah, that's fucking, you know, people let found a storage box. What's in this storage box? Yeah, but there's a lot of good stuff in there. I bet they're not in there.

Yeah. Yeah. I wonder what you take for that. 500. I can't give you five. I can give you three. I got to get at least four. I don't know the narrative are I'll take this my last offer and I'll be in serious cut to commercial.

That wasn't your favorite episode. We did 148 of them. Yeah, more actually because we did seven or six, six, I think. Six more upon return. That's enough. So we did, yeah, we did a full season, like the biggest time was like 34 episodes, 34 one hour shows.

No, I mean, it wasn't like doing stand up or wasn't like working for the UFC or anything like that. The people were really nice that worked on the show. They became good friends. They were fun folks. We had fun. It was a really nice crew. When you have that, that's the most important thing about working on a show. It's a family.

Ultimately, the product itself. It's mindless entertainment. competition of ridiculous competition that's good to distract you if you look for some distraction yeah but shouldn't it's junk food junk food for the mind yeah not that anything nothing bad about it but nothing good about it either there's no no reason to think that it's gonna elevate anything in the way

Maybe, I guess it is. Well, there was real human drama and fear factor. There was an eyeable, like people really shit their pants when they were forced to certain stunts and height stunts and think ridiculous things they had to eat.

I was just talking to my good friend David Herwitz, who will be, we're going to figure out a date of putting him on the podcast. He was the executive producer of the show, one of the executive producers, him and Matt Cunitz. And we were talking about on the phone the other day where like I told them I go I want to be honest with you man. I'm glad they ended the last season I go because I think it was like on its way to being like it was so ramped up

Yeah, well, I don't want to say risky because it's I don't know I'd be ignorant say that I'm not stuntman. I'm not a stunt designer. I don't know what's dangerous. What's not I don't know what just looks dangerous was actually pretty soon. But all I know is that became what they were starting to get more and more spectacular. like we were we had these people attached with a bungee cord to a helicopter and the they mean they were like 200 the helicopters like 200 yards away on this enormous bungee cord and they had their partner had an undo locks and when they undid the locks they had to find the right key like this giant ring piece and If they did it within a certain amount of time, the person got launched off of this tree. Like, you know, fucking 100, 200 yards into the air on a bungee cord attached to the bottom of the helicopter. It was fucking crazy. And I remember they were describing the helicopter, like, well, you know, we have to be careful with this because you gotta make sure that the people don't pull the helicopter at a weird angle that makes the helicopter spiral out of control.

We did a lot of them like this where people hung from helicopters. But that's really not that big of a deal. They're just hanging over water. You know, if they fall, they just land on the water. And they're not going nearly as fast as it looks like. Booge though. That's a long job. That's a long job. Yeah, but you're gonna live. It sucks. It feels weird, but you're gonna live. This episode is brought to you by Vivo barefoot. Let me tell you something you might not know. Ever wondered why your feet are shoe-shaped and not foot-shaped? All that fancy underfoot technology and conventional shoes is actually making our feet weak and shoe-shaped, which ultimately restricts natural foot function and can cause all sorts of injuries in your knees, hips, back, which all funds an orthotics industry worth over $3.5 billion. The question is, how do we break the cycle? The most advanced technology ever to be put in a shoe is the human foot. It's a biomechanical masterpiece. meet vivo barefoot. They don't make shoes. They make footwear that lets your feet be feet naturally. Studies show that wearing vivo barefoot improves balance and increases foot strength by 60% within six months from wearing them. Unleash your natural potential for the ground up, go to www.vivoberafoot.com-jo-rogan to learn more and get 20% off your first VVos with the code JR20. This episode is brought to you by Dr. Squatch. I'm going to let you in on a secret. If you want to be more confident, you have to start taking care of yourself. And a great way to do that is use Dr. Squatch, especially with their new private hygiene products. They were designed to help you look and feel fresh all over. like the growing guardian trimmer. It's perfect for grooming above and below the waist and the ball barrier dry lotion helps manage sweat and chafing while beast wipes keep you clean front to back. It's the care your body deserves. Try them today, whether you're new to Dr. Squatch or you use it every day, get 15% off your order by going to Dr. Squatch.com slash JRE15 or use the code JRE15 at checkout. I learned a lot about human beings from shit like that though. It's fascinating because between that and what doing MMA commentary, I know a lot about seeing people when they're breaking. At the point where they can't tolerate anymore and they give up. There's a give up point that some people have. Some people don't even have it. Some people never give up. They just have this that whatever that give up thing is, a part of them is broken. They don't they don't even consider it they'll just march forward their face hanging off This is guy Diego Sanchez or fights like that this guy might not be the most skilled fighter is very skillful might not be the most skilled, but he's one of the most crazy in that he's not gonna quit.

He died with slippers on. It's like being a massage to the devil.

Yeah, like rubber slippers.

Yeah, you know, you went out. He's a fucking hero in my book. You got your balls. You guys got balls. You didn't give up. This is an interesting thing though. You see like people who rise to the occasion and people who doubt themselves and you see them like fumble and stumble because of the pressure and some people find a way to like, to get through it. It's one of the more fascinating things about watching anything that's a competition is that we wonder how we would do in that scenario. And we almost always fall short. Yes. So we're always in awe of the guy who manages to get by all those people that are trying to drag him to the ground and carry that ball across the line.

Maybe you got a picture of a guy.

It's true. Duncan of you. I almost died in a sauna once.

I was wrong. You guys are fucking lightweights. But what do you mean? I gotta say that. Hey, it was it was not an alcohol.

That was really powerful ones.

How are you still alive? It was sauna. Is that real?

What does it say? Jamiewood's a scroll down right there.

Oh my goodness. That guy got fucking cooked. He got cooked. They literally cooked themselves. For what? A trophy? Probably one at least five dollars.

Yeah, that is a weird thing, man.

It is, but, you know, we also, if, if he won, and it was like a million dollars, something like that, and he was okay, we would applaud him for his ability with stand extreme agony. We somehow another admire people that are willing to survive extreme agony, the force of endurance races and things for something meaningful though, not for a million dollars. I mean, what's weirder? This are dying in a super marathon, one of those hundred mile marathons in your fucking heart.

Yeah.

Well, that's it. That's all like a hack stand up comedian premise. Oh, is it? Yeah, for black comics we'll talk about like camping. They're terrified of bears. Yeah, black people don't go camping. Yeah, it's like the whole thing that like white people go up bungee jumping white people jump out of a helicopter and ski down the side of a mountain.

No, I don't think it's probably an obvious premise because it's true. Like a lot of things is a lot of parallel thinking when it comes to the realization that if you live in an incredibly dangerous environment like Africa and you're looking at white people that are fucked. You're not looking for danger. What are you doing stupid? I mean, it seems to be it writes itself. It's not like You can't like see how a lot of people would come to the same conclusion and it's true People are fucking hand gliding and shit getting in those fucking wing suits and flying down that sentence.

I don't remember what it was something ridiculous.

This man, if this came to my town, I would be fucking throwing money on him.

They're good, too. Come on, that's funny.

Santa Claus outfit on. Yeah.

Should be laughing with kids.

What is that? I'll tell you why. These people don't get any weed. That's what it is. Right. weed is just not not really getting down there. Concert training. If we were high and we were at the side of the road and that way, we would be in our glory.

I don't know if I'd just pull your shirt up and join it. That would be distracting them from their worth that they've obviously put it like me being a heckle or thinks he's funny than the comedian. Yeah, because they they've obviously that was the other thing about it like that shit was choreographed

It's not their fault that the fucking people who hired him didn't really know what they are getting. It's like being a comic and you get booked for a club and they go, well, we expect you to work clean. Well, I expect you to know what the fuck I do before you hire me. Yeah, I'm here dude. You either want me to do comedy or not, but you don't get to tell me what to do.

Well, what was her premise? What was she going on to talk about, you know?

Well, it's fucked up, but it's obviously comedy. This idea that, and this is one of the grossest things that's going on these days, I've actually started talking about this on stage. There's a real problem with people pretending that jokes or statements. And if this is actually a painting, it's like, there's an art to sang fucked up shit. You don't really mean if I know that you don't really mean it. It's fun. You and I do it all the time. It's the essence of comedy. Duncan will call that out. Duncan will call me up and say the most ridiculous shit. And then I'll say, well, that sounds like a good idea. How long have you been working with the Mormons? Joe, I've seen the arrow in my waist. You're like hanging there for like five minutes.

It's always the intention. I think there's people feel like there's cheap laughs that people get away with at the expense of other people's feelings and that's why they don't like certain kinds of jokes. I agree. There's a balance, and there's off-color subjects that are absolutely done hilarious, and then there's off-color subjects that are done crudely, and it's almost insulting how bad the material is, and you're obviously just doing it just for shock-back. Yeah. And we know the difference between the two. You know, it's a difference between someone you want to listen to, where they're carefully considering what they're saying, and then someone who's just not really either capable of or not willing to look deep enough to get true insights.

Yes.

You need to prepare them. You need shame, comedy to compare the good comedy. You need bad experiences. I think the hack for life is far as like bad experiences like the sadness and the trouble and then the happiness is just exercise to just fucking work out in a brutally hard way and avoid all that depression just get all that shit out of your way like if you get through like a brutal kickboxing workout or a jujitsu workout regular normal nonsense like I'm fucking leaving. That's it. I've got my show. Okay. All right. You're too tired to give it a shot. Yeah. It's been choking me all night. Okay, leaving. Okay.

Well, you're a fucking bag of chemicals. It's not a chant.

It's always doing that to you anyway. I mean there's a there's a transformative process throughout every experience that you have throughout your life Everything that you do you sort of get a balance and well now I know how to handle this better this time The reality of this situation is we have a certain amount of requirements that our body needs it needs to move around It has to but doesn't it atrophies because fairly useless right like you have to keep it leaving and to really appreciate the movement of it, you have to push it really hard. You push it really hard. It's like a drag racer or a race car that you could develop into a race car. You develop it just by pushing it and pushing it and pushing it. Then it becomes a race car. Or if you let it sit alone, it becomes a really junky old shit box that can't start anymore. I mean, literally is almost that simple.

Moving constantly is hard. Have you ever gone hiking with pack and go and get fucking nuts? Yes. No, it's good. It's a good workout. It's a real workout. Like you start to like walking up hills all day, man. You got fucking exhaust. Yes. Nepal. This guy, we're talking about this guy that there's a show called Solo Hunters. And these guys, they take like these little, you know, those little go pros and attach them to their rifle, their bow and arrow, and they have a camera with them, they go on into the woods, they hunt bare and moose and like crazy shit. Well, one of the guys this guy, Remi Warren, who's like this world famous hunter. He's got a VO2 max of a high level endurance athlete. And all he does is hike. He just, he hunts 300 days a year. I honestly walk around in high altitude. Yeah, constantly walk around hills in high altitude, carrying backpacks. It's fucking hard work. It's really hard work. So like, that's what if you were going to hunt, like, that's what you had to do. You had to fucking walk a lot. He's like, hunting is not just like, oh, let's go to the animal place and go shoot one of those fucking things and drag it out of there. Like, you got to find him, you got to track him, you got to sneak up on him, especially in the old days, you got dog shit equipment. He had like bows and arrows that you made yourself.

Beers. Terrible and you got to get close enough to an animal to use that thing. And there's a common misconception that like there were more deer back then. Actually, there weren't. There's more deer today in North America than there've ever been way more than like when Columbus first got here. because of management, because all the different habitats, because of farmlands, they thrive in farmlands and fucking rats.

Exactly.

Did you know that in in those areas? Especially like a lot of those places where wild animals exist they're fenced in yeah There's a lot of what they call high fence hunting operations in South Africa because it's a dirty secret about Africa and about a lot of North America but even more dirty about Africa because Africa a lot of it's trophy hunting. The amount of money that people pay to go hunting over there is that's responsible for a great deal of the money that's used for conservation efforts. like there's a read like and they also for importing animals like they've there's more a lot of African animals in Texas right then there are in Africa because in Texas they bring them to these wild wild hunting ranches like thousands and thousands of acres and they just have these deer just live there they just live in Texas now and they just live off the land and then they you know they take guided trips to go and hunt these things but they have African wild animals that are running around like sick of deer and shit running around access deer running around in Texas yeah It's with these people who pay for hunting licenses, they go over and I mean it's kind of crazy. Like there was a piece on like how cowardly it is to hunt the lions, like someone showed it on this website because they're just sitting there. Like all you do is you run up the difference between a normal day and a day where the car shoots them is that a metal stick comes out and then also in their life ends. So they're just sitting there. They have no idea you're a threat. They have no idea that this is a game that we're playing. Like we're gonna shoot the lion. They're just just sitting there chilling and then someone comes along with ice a lion. Like it's kind of fucked, but people want to be able to say that they killed a lion.

Yeah, a lot of them are doing. They're doing it from trucks. They're doing it from the roof of trucks.

Holla yes, of course course Hemingway what a badass so so fucking manly did you ever see that Woody Allen movie we're I think it's called midnight Paris yes Owen Wilson movie goes back in time to meet Hemingway yeah, that was pretty fascinating. Yeah, I love that premise

Yeah, you're the idea of meeting Hemingway.

Listen to you, woe is me. You just got back from a fucking whole tree.

Like you're the real deal dude. You're your guy who really made that choice.

You're a guy who's not to that point. You know what? Nope. I'm gonna have a bunch of really cool experiences and a bunch of adventures.

Well, you have a real gift for podcasting. I'm glad you're a good man. You have a gift for the narrative that may not come through in just a printed word as much because you can't hear you say it. Right. Well, there's this it's not just the thought that you say it's how you say it and you're you're very good at it. You know, so the idea that you didn't do it before. And now that you have done it like the idea that you're gonna just travel around the world and not give us fresh podcasts People like this bullshit bro. Well, thank you. That's true man. I'm really glad you're doing it.

I'm really glad he's doing it as well. Yeah, it's it's a cool thing and I'm just glad you're doing it as well. I mean It's podcasting is one of the weirdest and most fascinating entrance into the world of media. That's ever existed. It's one of the weirdest. And one of the ones where you can, I think, probably affect the curve of society. I think the curve of society is going to be affected more by fascinating podcasts than by virtually anything that they've ever had as far as, like, the like exposed electronic media, whether it's television, whether it's radio, I think all those things had a big impact, but I think podcasting and viewer created or you know, regular user created content, whatever it may be, people with webcans, people writing blogs, this new stream of stuff that's coming down the pipe now, it's so different. There were no podcasts like yours. It did not exist when I was in high school. If it did exist when I was in high school, me and my friends would have huddled around candles. Okay? We would have sat around listening and we would have talked about, do you think Duncan's right?

And that's, and I think, you know, that exists now and mass. You're doing it, you're doing it. There's so many of our friends have podcasts, Bill Burr, and Brian Kalin, and Ari Chaffier, and Joey Diaz. It's like a fucking epidemic. And you want to talk about an epidemic of entertainment. It's podcasting, it's an epidemic.

It's going to vary just like everything else varies. It's like books like, you know, there's books that are dog shit. You're not going to get a goddamn thing out of them. And it is books that you read like the War of Art. It just, you read a couple of passages and you're like, Yeah, this fucking guy's nail in it right like holy shit like this is a real game changer. This is a this guy's giving me the tools to re-approach my my way of looking at the very thing I do for a living like wow, this is kind of nuts. You know, so this this this There's a lot of variation when it comes to podcasting, but it's the possibility that someone could just express something and you can get there immediately. Think of it all the time in effort you had to put to creating a book like Sex It Dawn. And think about if you just decided to break that discussion up into X amount of podcasts and just freely relay your experiences on the subject, the information where you got it from passionately talk about these cultures, where these people have these You know, unique experiences with each other passionately talk about the roots of common misconceptions about things like promiscuity and a lot of, it's all missing in a flat word. You know, you can get that you gather the pros and you know, you can kind of paint the, but the here person said, you know, to hear you talk about your work is almost more rewarding.

which is so cool. It's also made me very enthusiastic about communicating with people. And I think the art of conversation, you know, I think we're so lost in the day-to-day grind where people have to pretend to be something they're not for the majority of their day. They have to be reserved. They can't make jokes. You can't talk about anything that's really crazy or controversial because you have to work. You're there to work. You're not there to be yourself. So there's all this suppression. And then when people get free of that, how much time do they really have to truly open up? And the more people you are around that are exposing you to different thoughts, like one of the things that I love about talking to you is you and I often agree on things. We also have wildly different perspectives that we come into things from. And you'll oftentimes come at something while I'll go, yeah, I agree with you. But you're coming out from such a weird place that I probably never would have considered. But because you're my friend, I get to consider that. And then I get enriched by this possibility. And then you, being my friend, you will come up with another possibility. And we all feed off of each other. And then other people listen to that, and they say, hey, I was just going to talk about this thing. And Christopher Ryan said that this is, and then boom, and that branches out, and then it spreads from there. The enhancement that you feel in having these conversations is contagious. It's contagious to other people that are listening to it.

Yeah.

Duncan's got to go to the bathroom again. If you just stop and think about the amount of downloads in the amount of episodes, just throw it out there. You know, with this podcast, I think that we're like 430, 430. This is a 433 podcast. Each one of them is, well, I think the majority of them are at least two hours long. Most of them are three. The the majority of my three hours there's only a few that are like an hour or more just slightly more so that's a lot of time. That's a lot of fucking information that gets him.

Well, I think people resonate, like what they, they imitate their atmosphere to a great extent. And if you grow up in a terrible place or a place that has weird tribal cultures, I mean, we've seen it time and time again, go back to Africa and like the tradition of putting plates in your lips to signify how many cows you get. I mean, it's a lot of weird fucking things that people do. And you can get in a bad group. and you can get in a bad pattern and you can get in a bad groove that a lot of other people are also in and it's really easy to do and you see that in there's radio stations that have followings where it's known that if you go on stage with the opening of the show I love opening Anthony but it was known amongst a lot of comedians if you get out there we're going to fucking torture you like Bill Burr has a famous video of uh... and this is my favorite radio show ever open Anthony show so not criticizing them But they're, they're a bunch of men talking shit. And they're, what they call the past, so the listeners, they're fucking savages, savages, and they booed Domarera. And after they booed Domarera, Bill Burr is a huge Domarera fan, always has been. So Bill went on after him and just tore the whole city a new asshole. It's kept talking shit about Philadelphia. But like, they created that somehow and other with their intentions, with their broadcast, with what they put out in their broadcast. And I did not plan on this in any way, shape, or form. This is just something that's happened. All of it, the amount of positivity that's come out of it, the attitude of the people, this idea of embracing health and good thinking and being kind to people, being of paramount importance, like one of the most important things you like, not get your shit together, not you be the fucking man, not you be successful. No. Number one, most important thing is to be nice. It's like the most important thing be kind until you can't be kind until you gotta tell people to shut the fuck up. Come on, you're killing me. You know, it's like it's be kind until you hit that.

Fuck yeah. And also be willing to do that same shit to yourself. Yeah. Be willing to be like super objective to super self analytical. And just just try to get through this and realize that if five people can do it, five million can do it. It's that simple. Like I always say like this room. Here's a perfect example. This is a beaten it to death, but it's a good one. If we were the only people on the planet, if it was just us and we existed on this weird island and everywhere else, like look guys, we got a lot of food here, we're fine. I mean, this is a vibrant ecosystem, there's no predators. We can live here. We're gonna be okay.

We're gonna be here. This weird sex shit would happen. Get that out of the way.

We, us, us friends, if we were in any place where we're forced to be together, we would ultimately figure out a way to work it out. It would suck if they weren't girls. You're right. But ultimately, there would be no wars, what my point is. There would be, there wouldn't be a war, you know? You and I have net, we've even the minor disagreements that we have ever had ever in our 10 plus year friendship. They've been cured off with a couple of sentences back and forth instantly. Yes. And always super cool. And always on like, you know, I would never say anything on purpose to hurt your feelings. Yes. That's not what a friend does ever. Right. Well, if we lived on an island together, it'd be the same thing. You know, I wouldn't know the sudden to be like, you know,

You know, I made a cage in this fucking canoe and I'm gonna wrap you up in there. You're not following my fucking rule. Not the cage, you can. Or I would say, you know, I need all the fucking mangoes, bitch. I got a gun. You guys don't have any guns left. I need the fucking mangoes. I want the mangoes. I'm tired of eating my mangoes. And you know what you're talking about?

But what fucking? I was at Deliverance. That was Deliverance. That was Deliverance. Yeah. I was Jim and Lord of the Five Two.

Oh, it's even worse.

Well, that's also a classic scenario of people wind up being their worst enemies. The zombies seem pretty easy to deal with after a while because people that become the real issue. including, you know, the men who want to choose the alpha. It's always like that.

You never seen me in the boys when we go out, Chris Ryan. We got a wolf pack. We all have a wolf pack. We all have to move together. We slap our chest three times. All on synchronous. Oh god. Well wolf pack jackets. It's his wolf pack and like chatter gene letters over leather. Yeah, we're the wolf.

I mean, humans do gang up. Well, they, you know what, we have to ultimately realize that there's, we 100% need each other. It's one of the most important things. We also 100% need the people. If you want to truly be happy, you need the people around you to like you. Yes. And you need to have them. They have to have a reason to like you. Like you have to be giving out as much as you're, you're taking away or more. Right. And it doesn't.

Yeah, it does, too. And it's why kids are so cruel with each other when they reject each other when they're playing. We're not playing with you anymore. Yeah. Oh, they're exercising that little muscle figuring out like, oh, look, I can get someone to dance.

Unless they're super annoying, just avoid them.

And here's why it is because it's not that everybody's also mean to each other. It's just that when we are mean to each other, it hurts so bad. If you stop and think about your interactions with people in a daily basis, there's very few mean ones. I went to the mall today and I wandered through a couple of stores and I met a bunch of people that said hi and met a bunch of people that were at the fucking coffee bean stand. They said hi. I met a guy in the parking lot, he said hi. There was very little negative interaction. You know what I'm saying? Like, but when it happens, it's terrible. It's just the real problem is when we look at life today and it's a huge issue with our view of the world is based on seven fucking billion people. And that's madness. You can't have the information, the fears, the tragedies, the events of 7 billion people inside your fucking head. You can't process that. It's too goddamn big. Why don't you just think about the infinite amount of living beings in the universe itself? Why don't I consider all the fucking mold spores that are probably going to die when someone's praise lies all on them? Let's go fucking hog wild and worry about everything. You can't. You can't. If you want to get through your 24-hour time period, you know, only of which you're awake, 16, you've got to fucking prioritize. And if you don't fucking prioritize, you're not going to have time to enjoy this experience. You're not going to have time to take it in. You'll be caught up in the wave of momentum of other people's ideas, and you never be able to catch yourself.

Or it's called Verizon and change a number. Yeah.

Often times.

You're terrified of seeing that of those qualities.

Problem is this none of time. And you know the real problem, the number one real problem is how the fuck did they get that way in the first place? And that's people are being raised by shitheads. So they're imprinting, they're copying the behavior of failure.

And someone would be so confident to avoid the natural instincts.

Let's jerk off like you did driving. Coming your eyes and crashing to a train.

Oh yeah, that's texting while driving you off a cliff. Yeah, there was a guy I think was like Paris Hilton's veteran or a plastic surgeon or something like that. Like some famous plastic surgeon and he tweeted a second before he fell off the side of a fucking cliff.

No, you're talking about a woman who went to Africa. No, no, no. Another one I think you're thinking of that's just going on right now. She went to Africa. She was a PR woman.

Oh, that he's Joe. Yeah, she goes well off to South Africa. I hope that it don't get a just kidding. I'm white.

She probably had a glass of wine. Didn't know what the fuck she was doing. Walk up to a national controversy.

What is wrong with that?

Well, I had this conversation with someone where I was talking about, you know how you can listen to someone talking the phone and know if they're black. And she was like, no, no, I don't know. I go bullshit. You do know. I go, it doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with being black, but you can tell when you're talking to a lot of people on the phone. You can tell the guys black.

Of course not. I think there's a lot of white people. It's the way they're black. It's the way they're black. Exactly. But there is that quality. It does exist. Of course. There's only wrong with it. The idea that she was looking at it like she wouldn't touch it for the ten-foot pole because it was politically incorrect and it was a dangerous thing to discuss. I'm like, why? Why is it dangerous to say that black people oftentimes have a different way of talking? It's not, no one's saying bad or worse. That's like saying that people that are from the West Coast don't have a different way of talking than people that live in Minnesota or than people that live in New York. Of course they do. Dialect. Of course they do. It's not bad or it's, it's like super intelligent people. And they're like Feynman had a very pronounced New York accent, right? Didn't he? And he was Jewish. Yeah, right. It pronounced Jewish New York accent and he was one of the most brilliant physicists this ever. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't mean anything.

He's a pussy, and he's gonna die soon, and he's scared, because he's old. That's my news song. Well, he's a good guy. I mean, that's really what it is. He's a nice guy. He doesn't want anybody's feelings.

You're right, but he's not a, I don't think he's a confrontational guy at all. No. He's an interesting guy. Steve Martin is a fascinating dude because first of all, he was unbelievably hilarious and unbelievably innovative when he first came out. I mean, he was a unique cat. This whole thing was very unique. His act was very unique. It was really funny and silly and slapsticky, but he's a unique guy in the fact that he got hugely successful and then didn't like the fact that people would laugh about anything that he did. He didn't feel like he had this real honest connection with them anymore and like pull away from comedy. couldn't do comedy in clubs anymore.

What if the guy do was the, he's just being rude. It's like just by saying the guy who's not like you're not Steve Martin.

It was just like you didn't need to do it to defend his friends.

Yeah, it's really good. He's an interesting dude. He reads it. If you get an audible dot com, you can get it. He actually reads it. Yeah. He's a, you know, he's a brilliant guy when a great movie comedian. I mean, you go back to the jerk. That is a masterpiece. Yeah. That's a Matt. It still holds up.

Great. Well, he was a young man. I'm sure now he's just like he's also got great books of like short comedy essays that are hilarious Yeah, he's a unique talent Steve Mines a very unique talent although I never bought him as a mob guy that the one we played in Italian guy and they've given the crazy hair Remember that?

He played like a mob guy in the witness protection program moves into this straight or comedy comedy comedy. I mean, what's last time we did a straight movie? Does he do a last straight movies now?

That's always when a standup comedian branches spreads their wings. They do a Woody Allen movie.

Nice clay.

It was an article online about Andrew Dice Clay deserving an Oscar for that role. Wow, was really good.

I just thought it was very authentic. I thought it was really worked. You know, he's a good actor. It's in its surprise. Yes. And Woody Allen, you know, recognized that.

It's one movie, Duncan. It's an American world from London. It's a goddamn perfect movie of preaching to the choir. Everything, since then, sucks a fast one.

No, you're thinking of alternate states. Oh, that's right. You fucked that premise up so bad.

Yeah. Well, he got into the sensory depvation tank. That was based on that's right. That's right. I thought it was great at the time and it was important to me because it got me into isolation tanks.

It's terrible if you try to watch it now.

I'm looking for new people.

That guy's too much. Very funny. He's like dunking if he went completely off the deep out and came a method.

It'd be so crazy like in his movies. He's so good. Yeah. What he does. You know who else is really good? I can't remember the cat's name. Why am I? Everyone's a cat today. I can't remember the guy's name, but he was one of the bad guys in the ex files. He's at one weird dude that you never know his name, but when he's on a movie, you're like, oh, that's guys awesome.

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Yeah, the trailer for Transcendence looks really interesting.

Well, it's essentially the idea of the full Ray Kurzweil vision being realized with one guy being Johnny Dopp playing the Kurzweil character gets killed by somebody. But as he's dying, they download his consciousness into a computer. Yeah, play it. That's pretty intense. Dr. Will Castro.

That they could fuck that up. That could be one of those movies where like, okay, fuck heads.

Yeah, we just did a spoiler alert.

She thinks he listens to your pocket. Oh, she does. The American hustle movie. She looks fantastic in that movie.

I think it worked. I feel it happened. I think she should call me to set up the date, though.

Whatever it takes. I'm sure she's the fan of your work.

You'll spew. Dimension films is re-producing American world in London. They're going to reboot it.

Well, I just hope they don't go CGI and fuck it up. They will.

They worked with the invasion of the body snatchers.

I watched the second invasion of the body snatchers last night, the Donald Southern one. That's the second one, I believe. Yeah, that's good. Is that true? Am I correct?

There's an old black and white one. That's right. You know how I know it's true because I watched it actually. And it was really fat. Now that I remember, okay, because I've seen three of them. There's a Jennifer Tilley one to our Meg Tilley. There's Meg Tilley one later. But the original one is really fascinating because it's like a lot like the Twilight Zone movie and that it's a time capsule. You would not work today. It would be a terrible piece of shit that you wouldn't believe that they could actually make. But when you watch it in the context of it being from like 1951 or whatever the fuck it was, it's really interesting. Oh cool.

Some of those ideas were just amazing. Yeah. Well, they ran out of them, though. They used them all up on those fucking, you know, all those, uh, hitchcock shows and all those, uh, what are those? What was that one show that they had that, um, night gallery? Well, no, there was, there was, uh, the Twilight Zone and then there was one that was like it. God damn it. There was another one that was like it.

The love book. Now there was a similar thing to the Twilight song, but I can't remember what it is now.

might have. Tales from the crypt. The outer limits. The outer limits. Thank you. Thank you, Jamie. Yeah, that was it. The outer limits was another one. It was very similar along those. I think those guys burned through so many ideas.

There's no more creepy freaky ideas.

It's ridiculous the idea is ridiculous that he would first of all have to keep going high school The idea is that he died when he was 17 because he died when he was 17 he's gonna be 17 for perpetuity That's that's preposterous that doesn't make any sense like why why doesn't he just not go to fucking high school for the 100th year in a row? He's going to high school. Nobody notices the fact this guy is fucking hopping around the country. Going to high school after high school, showing in is the weird loan or what he's getting.

Well, when I was in New York, there was a girl who was on the Arsenio Hall show. Okay, and she was a stand-up comic. And we all knew her as this young teenage girl from the East Village. And she was like 14 or 15 years old. And she was going up and doing stand-up. And she was funny, man. She was funny like an adult. And it was weird. It was weird watching because As far as like stand-up comics go, it wasn't like going to see dunk in or Joey Diaz or R. It wasn't like high level stand-up comedy, but it was like impressive for a 15 year old. So she goes on our senior hall show and the fucking phone's lined up and they're like, I went to high school with this bitch. She's fucking 30. Like, she's not in high school. She's not 14. The fuck out of you. She graduated in 1986 and people start going crazy and calming in and, you know, what an interesting story. She gets exposed. She gets exposed. Barry Cats clan, by the way. When she knew, she'd get exposed. I don't think she did. I don't think she did. I think she thought she'd get away with it. I don't know if she changed her name. I don't know what she did. But she went up there and created a story there.

Researchers reverse aging process in mice. People could be next. This is in the Huffington Post. This is in a bunch of science journals. It's all over. It's about the mitochondria. And it's about they figured out a way This says the age process we discovered is like a married couple. When they're young, they communicate well, but over time, living in close quarters for many years, communication breaks down. Harvard University based in Vestika. This is all like legit shit. As with marriage, the restoring of the lines of communication can nurse back cells to health. The communication breakdown is caused by lower levels of the chemical called NAD, which decreases with age prior to the study. The only known ways of slowing the decrease were to have a low calorie diet and regular exercise. In this study, researchers used a compound that mimics the benefits of diet and exercise on mice. There you go, fella. Yeah, give me a go. I'll tell you. In two year old mice, the compound helped reduce insulin resistance and inflammation, making them nearly as healthy as mice that were just six months old. It's something like a 60-year-old being similar to a 20-year-old.

And our health, well, Duncan, why does it have to be competition? Can't we all just get along? Can't we all just work together? Can't this be the ultimate social utopia when there is no age? You got to be a geism anymore. You got to be yourself, right?

And they're not going to man. Well, no, but money.

A lot easier. Do you think they just more realistic, more realistic? Yeah.

And lower their standards, we'll be trying to say Chris Ryan.

They lower their status. They don't expect a lot from you. They're not looking for six pack anymore. They're just okay. We'll just sit down. Can we just watch TV?

As was when you bought a cell phone, the first cell phone was thousands of dollars. And now you can go to Bolivia in the middle of the jungle, people have cell phones. There's also this artificial muscle that they've created that has 1,000 times human strength. This is another story that came out today. or yesterday rather American scientists have developed a robotic muscle 1,000 times more powerful than humans using a revolutionary material that fluidly changes its properties. The invention gives the Nadium dioxide amazing superhero style powers It's most striking property. It's a change, shape, and structure. Whenever differing amounts of heat are applied to it, we are in for some really freaky shit in the next couple of decades. Things are going to get really, really weird. Because I don't want saw like this coming 10 years. But our things always getting really weird. Of course, always have been. The weirdest times ever are always right now.

But again, I don't think he hasn't that always been the case though. No, everybody always thought that the you ever listen to Hunter has Thompson talking in the 1970s. This is it's over. It's almost over the fucking the great demise where we're we're skitting into the to the apocalypse. Everybody's felt that well, he was right. But he was he because we're still here. Look what we were here. He's not shit. Wow, he's talking about it. But shit shit is always weird.

You're gonna be healthy 21 every day.

Yeah, you're giving up on those 45 year olds that are fucking so needy. You're not a hairdo cat.

What are you talking about?

You're really making a big leap, because I don't think it's that black and white. I don't think that it really is worse. I don't think that I think it's gotten way better. I think for sure, yeah, quality of life is still, there's just too many people, finite amount of resources, corrupt economy, beyond corrupt government, all those good games for Xbox. What about all the stuff that we said earlier? What about all the stuff we said about communication about the access to information being different than it's ever been before? I think if anything, it's more rosy today, the view of society and the potential for the future, more rosy today than it's ever been before. See, this is the serious thing, it's a perfect example. Right. This is the first time in my recollection that the United States people, the populace, stood up when there was a proposed military action and said, fuck that. Like a giant percentage of the population was so alarmed that these knuckleheads, they were like, hey guys, this is like revolution type shit. Like if you go through with this, this is, you're at the door of a revolution. And this is the best way to keep this revolution from happening. Keep them calm. And the best way to keep in comes and not go into another war right now. You guys are running two shell games right now. You're sucking minerals out of Afghanistan. You're sucking oil out of Iraq. I'm going to just back the fuck off and stop trying to invade everything all at once. And they did.

I don't really rightly. I don't necessarily take utopia, but turn your life in our super muscles, whatever.

But I don't agree because I think if you just look at what we have, I mean we already have super powers. You have a goddamn phone you can talk to and answer anything.

Some are. I don't think you could ever say that. Are people happier? Because if you're just going to generalize about just people overall, well, what kind of people are we talking about? Well, that's the thing. You have to take an aggregate. We're talking about people in America. That's exactly what people in nice neighborhoods. We're talking about people in poverty.

Jesus Christ.

Well, we don't have it. I mean, you have influence on your immediate environment. You have influence on the people that you're allowed to reach outside your immediate environment with technology. But once you start talking about the entire world, if we're really responsible for that, well, then all societies have to break down. We have to start from scratch.

Cars go faster. Zero to 60 times a down. Yeah, I think the potential for expansion is monstrous. And I think that the potential for information to get to you, the possibilities of getting to you, or greater than it has ever been before, the access to knowledge is insane. Putting it all together and making a package as a happy human being is always a difficult pursuit. And also, it will be even more complicated now because it has increased amount of variables. And it is staggeringly increased amount of error and you can only I mean there are two things there's a bottleneck like you say there's more information than ever before and I completely agree with that but you brain still has to process it and it can only go a certain speed well that's where the shit like this terminus time muscle comes in because it's gonna it's gonna move into the the neural field are they saying they're gonna implant muscles and people know they're saying they're able to create an artificial style muscle But I don't understand where your place, your muscle, right? Well, this is the very early stages of anything that would apply to a robot or to whatever the fuck they're going to do. But essentially, they're trying to mimic the possibilities of muscle tissue. You know, there's another one that they've done where they combine spider silk with human skin to create some artificial bulletproof skin. Spider man. too. It's fascinating to watch people break down the very structure of reality. The very compounds of the various aspects of life, whether it's flesh or bone or cognitive function, the brain itself, created artificial brain cells. They are literally things are materializing and it's going to be an incredible puzzle that we have to solve as far as our possibilities for altering our environment.

sort of, but isn't the real problem with all these, whether it's corporations that give money to lobbyists, that give money to politicians and influence, isn't the real problem is that it's not clear and obvious what's going on. Right. People are slowly starting to unveil all these issues of corruption. Well, as the, the boundaries between people in information becomes smaller and smaller to the point where there's No boundary. Everyone's going to be accountable. You're going to be accountable for everything, including corporations. Corporations are going to be accountable for their actions.

Who's gonna go to the board meetings and record who voted for what and where the money's going that's journal is that's if you know money in journal if you live today in this world that is the case I think the world where we live in in twenty thirty forty whatever it is there's gonna be no secrets it's not gonna be like the board has to meet everyone's gonna know in the on the whole planet

See, I don't think the internet has destroyed journalism. Journalism destroyed itself. The internet has created real journalism. The internet has given birth to a totally new style of journalism that's not connected to the machine. That's actually if you were supported, whether it's shows like the young Turks or podcasts or anything. What you're getting is a viewer-supported experience where there's no incentive to lie to you anymore. The incentive is actually to tell the truth. These shifts are, you can ignore them. There's this new access and this new thirst for information. It's very different that anything any culture has ever experienced before. I don't think you could take it lightly and I think I think, ultimately, it spells progress because it spells outrage and outrage over corruption. Once there's a balance, there's a union of yang when it comes to government. And once there's a balance and the corruption has been at least forced to relinquish its grasp, whether prosecuted, whether people have to go to jail for the way they've been running this society is debatable. You know, this is what the law used to be at a certain point in time. Yeah, none of the torture guys are any were near a jail, but there's no debate that it's got all stop whether whether it comes from that whether comes from there was a recent story about how the drug war is a complete and total fucking joke based on the fact that these banks that have been caught laundering money did you read that?

Yeah, unbelievable. I'll pull it up because it's such a fucking crazy, crazy story. But when you read it, it just, it shows you that the idea of a drug war of the fact that they're trying to stop drugs from coming in nonsense. They're just trying to arrest black people. They're trying to fill up jails. They're trying to make it so that the people who are in control of the distribution stay in control of the distribution. It's, it's madness.

Wow, I think you're you've just seen more than we have. It's so fun. You've been to more places.

before anybody, oh, the Rolling Stone article is outrageous SBCHSBC settlement proves that the drug war is a joke. It's by Matt.

The best. He's been trying to rest Thompson even better because he's more prolific and he's not fucked up on meth. Matt, I never. Oh, you got to read Matt. You have a random attitude. Greatest journalist of all time.

What I was gonna say is in my world, it's better. So if you're saying it's society better, well, only as applied. You know, but in my world, 100%. Yeah, but look, look at us.

That said, you figured it out. You figured it out. I figured it out. Here we are. In our world, the world is better today.

I don't know. I don't know what we figured out. Why can't we embrace the simulation theory? The simulation that we have all subscribed to. We jumped into a really good simulation. We don't have jobs. Like the world is a goddamn hologram. It's been proven done.

The universe is a hologram, Duncan.

Right, that shit.

Okay, one of the things he's talking about. What the fuck are you talking about?

Alan Watts died from liver disease to that's so sad.

It is a beautiful thing except that he's pretending to be drunk. I never aside with the people that are pretending to be drunk. I always suspect foul play. You're pretending to be drunk. Why would you pretend to be drunk?

I know why you're documentary. I don't know. Have you ever seen comics that get like a shot of water and pretend it's to kill on stage? No. It's dark. It's dark. They fake drunk. They fake pretending to be drunk.

I can't do it when he did it. Maybe he was one of the first.

Well, Martin did it. But I mean, seriously, what is he doing? He's faking it.

I don't want, anyway. No, no, Chokey and Trevor. Oh, he's the one who did that. Yeah.

Well, either one. I think I do that.

But how do you say you guys not giving a shit of he's pretending to be drunk? He obviously gives a shit.

So a wake-in-beings slap in the face of a sandal.

It's funny because your thoughts are all the things you're saying are all very beautiful, but they're so clearly a work of fiction. They're so clearly prose. They're so clearly a story. Even they're like flavor. There's truth in them, but there's truth delivered in the filter of a story, about someone getting slapped in the face of the sand, the onion lightened, or someone seeing water hit. It's a work of fiction. No, no, no, definitely not, especially when you consider the age of these things, right? The age of these initial thoughts, I mean, how old are the original stories that God damn ancient, but it isn't that the essence of fiction to convey a truth through. Well, that's why I find it fascinating because of the fact that when these things were originally conveyed and put down onto some form of, you know, written language or what have you, the actual story still resonate through the obvious fiction, actual truths of what you're saying, still resonate through the obvious fiction of the work. Like you can tell me that a guy slapped a guy with a sandal and he chewed in light, but I'm like, I'm not sure he did. Well, no, but I mean, but what you're saying behind it, yeah. that you know what you're doing is exposing someone to these various new paths of thinking that sometimes a simple thing like water splashing into a pond opens up the doors of perception in a strange way that allows this sort of exponentially increasing understanding of your your reality and then it is just one event that that causes this it is really a slap in the face of the sandal Yeah, but it's still obviously fiction.

One of the most ultimately fascinating things about human beings is the placebo effect. The idea that there's a tangible, quantifiable result that comes from a certain type of thinking, whether it's positive or negative. You do deaf. Or stress. Just stress. Like they've shown that people that live in big cities or people that have high stress jobs, just much more likely to have a host of different things go wrong with their body. Because they're just fucking red lining at all the time. Stress is devastating to your immune system.

Zylethal?

Yeah, it's so hard though to keep your head about you. It's so hard to stay calm to just be cool and chill about things and then sorry to interrupt you, but just to

Without any information. Without any information. Exactly. Wow. Well, that makes sense. It's like the same thing of the reason why we have this fear of snakes. There's a genetic memory that gets passed down.

But it's in the DNA. It gets in the DNA.

Yeah, you brought up earlier that I was skeptical of shell Drake. I'm not skeptical of shell Drake. I'm just not convinced that he's right either. I'm just open to it.

I don't think he's ever proven anything to be true. Like I think his studies on dogs or masters are coming home. How's sketchy are those?

Yeah, until he proves it, you have to say, hey, you can't keep writing that. You can't keep saying that. It's a, it's a fascinating theory, but to say that you've actually proven it in studies. Not so much, you know, because that would be something like, look, they have proven weird shit, man. They've proven that you can teach a rat how to get through a maze in one part of the world, then a rat in another part of the world that gets through that maze quicker. That has been proven.

That's it. That's it. That's Rupert Sheldriek.

Yeah. Yeah, one of my things for people don't know.

Yeah, it says it online that it's bullshit. Actually in Wikipedia, it's also what they basically broke down was that the claim was that it was an observation of these Japanese scientists. One of the primary factors in spreading this claim was that many of the office quotes secondary tertiary or post tertiary sources who have themselves misrepresented the original observations. So it's one of those things where it just becomes a sad. Like how many times you've heard people say that there's killer sperm? that attack other people sperm.

Yeah. Yeah. Not really. No. There's no proof whatsoever this sperm does anything other than sperm stuff.

Yeah, there was never been proven to be true. Yeah, sperm wars. But I saw someone on like a science show, the other day quoting that very thing and people were fascinated, like, wow, amazing.

It tastes better. It's true. It's where the tank comes through.

That's where the pineapple.

But they don't kill other sperm, right?

Okay, so he just basically extrapolated way to far from something that's actually interesting. Right. Exactly. The other thing that's interesting is actually head of the penis design to suction out other dudes' giz. The plunger. The back. Yeah. It's got that, the helmet. The whole idea of the helmet is that it's a push rod. It pulls back all the other guys' giz and squirts in your own. Get in there boys!

Well, there are testicles swell when there's women around that are having sex with more than one.

And about rubbing them, sucking them, but a lot of the things. They would be useless if they're inside your body. It's a Yin-N-Yang. You take the possibility to get kicked in the balls and you bounce it against someone sucking on your balls while they jerk you off.

It's also a little one inch dick.

Fuck it silly.

Do you don't know Italians? I think they're going to be offended.

Do you think so? Would they have like a little skull cap on? Yeah. And a handful of ours wants to hold up like this.

Oh, they're like crazy loud motorcycles to compensate.

One of the other. Well, they definitely work out a lot. Look at the size of gorillas.

They're all working out animals ever. They're the biggest muscle ones and they also have the little sticks. There you go. Incident. There you go. I don't think so. Well, Ted, you know, I love the Ted talks. I think they're endlessly educational and fascinating and interesting. But it's because of the vast amount of interesting people that they've collected. As an organization, I've heard a lot of weird shit about them. Your thing is one. Eddie Wong.

You know, Graham Hancock, the horror story. So, they're not in follow-up, and they're also probably growing in a fucking stack.

You got silverman. That's hilarious. We got to end this thing. All right. Fucking pretty goddamn awesome. Merry Christmas.

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