Transcript for #556 - Bryan Callen
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the Joe Rogan experience.
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Hey look, it's the kid. Hey guys, come on.
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It's sure I haven't even got a shirt on that says the kid. Whatever, the case you were wondering.
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I got tight fitting skin.
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I like how the fighters in smaller font because he gets more letters. You guys based it on like what's what's an even trade. Did you weigh the ink? Yeah, we weighed the ink.
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We had to.
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because the fighter is nice and long, but the kid.
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Well, he designed all two shirts. I'm terrible with clothing. I'm not a big fashionista.
SPEAKER_03
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You might want to look into someone who actually makes t-shirts. Because that looks like a fucking junior high school kid did the tape brush. That was the idea. That looks like his heart clasp. You didn't give a fuck about passing.
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That's a pretty kid font though.
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That's what I'm talking about. Is it supposed to be like kung fu movie fun?
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Yeah, sure. I'm not part of the police creative.
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I love all these things. I love both of you guys, but that is one of the least creative t-shirts I've ever seen. And I love that end thing that the little fucking weird thing that stands for end. You know, what is that thing called? Is that an ampersand? That's what I thought an ampersand was in A, like a pound, like with the A that's circled.
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01:32 - 01:35
No, that's uh, what is that?
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At what is at what is the asshole? That's true. No, no, no. No, Astric is the star, right? Yeah, what's that? I'm trying to make T shirts for my, but which one's ampersand? I don't know. Well, let's find out ampersand. Um, ampersand and yeah, okay, Jamie's totally correct. So ampersand is the that's the end like fighter and it's a weird little symbol. It's just like you sure. Yes, you do obviously right there, man, fighter in the kid and then that thing over the tea. You just look at it. You need glasses, bro.
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02:12 - 02:17
I do not, just because you need glasses. It's actually going to get me in on your glasses bandwagon.
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That could you could reach it better.
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Okay, the act science actually called a struttle in Israel.
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Okay, but we're not in Israel. What's it called in America? It's just like that. It's just an act science.
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Just an act science.
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Yeah, that's one of those ones that like didn't have any play for like hundreds of years. Yeah. Like, what is this useless fucking thing? Stop trying to bring things back to you. You would look at like the before Twitter and Facebook and all that shit and like in the name and nothing. You fucking never used that thing on the keyboard on the typewriter that was a useless goddamn key like who the hell needs that and thing and you would ask like what is that? It's some shit you'll never use me while some shit everybody uses now everybody's fucking Twitter handle. I'm not how many people are all changes.
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Are you a pound sign or a hashtag person?
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Well, you really should say pound song, right? Why is it get to be hashtag? It's the same goddamn thing. Yeah, I said it had a different connotation. What was a pound science connotation?
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It was just on your phone member.
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It would be you would puncture it to send a you know a message like a voicemail.
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Yeah, press the pound time. Okay, that's all but they say the pound side but then all of a sudden hashtag came along. Yeah, what are you making corn beef? He's sling in sling in hash. What kind of hash is this? This is weed hash tag.
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What would you call hash tag? Hashtag question mark.
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What's the origin? Someone's going to send us a link on Twitter, I'm sure. The origins of that word hashtag.
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Hashtag came from Twitter, right? Yeah, and then Facebook adopted it.
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I was talking to this. I was talking to this linguist. I was saying, why don't you like Southern accents? For example, a Mississippi never go away. Why do like certain regions hold on to their accents? And he said, most of it has to do with the fact that you copy the person who's older. The person you look up to, if he has an accent, that's the guy you're going to try to talk like. So it gets passed down from generation generation and doesn't really get diluted. because they just stand up, more human beings are tribal. And so what they do is if you grow up around your dad or your older brother or somebody who look up to speaks a certain way, without even realizing it, you start taking on their language. You speak exactly the way they do, same intonation and everything. And so what happens is that accent in Louisiana will always stay that accent in Louisiana. It's really interesting. But then that can start to sort of change as people migrate.
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What if a bunch of bad motherfunkers, a bunch of bad ass big dick South Africans came in and just fucked everybody in that town. Dominated, came in with billions of dollars of cash. Who'd be interesting if there was a way where you could restructure an accent, just a few dominant alpha chimpanzee males with a strange accent, you know, strange South African accent. Like if there was a way like some bad motherfuckers could move into an area, Well, if everybody would want to be like them so much, they would start talking like South Africa.
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If you go to Barcelona and Spain, they they they they they talk with a list, but they're on that barthelona they do and they say that is because the king had a list a long time ago and everybody started to copy that sort of you know that that colloquialism or whatever.
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Well, it is kind of weird that the lift is considered to be odd. The one strange sound that you make, but revolving the ars is considered to be flamboyant and beautiful. Like if you say someone who speak the Queen's English of course, but we have like categories, we'll put like this is a sound that you should make. And this is a sound where it's fucked up. It's not like it. And it's all based on our control. See, the list, the issue with the list is some people cannot control the fact that they make that sound. So they're not trying to lift. You have a very difficult for them to not lift. But so because of that, that sound becomes inappropriate.
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Yeah, maybe it's because When you have a list, it's already, quote unquote, a defect, so it's considered a weakness. Yes. So that would be something that is, well, just because you can't control it.
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That's why it's a weakness. If you roll these hours on purpose, then it sounds cool. He's not doing well, but that is. But if you roll your arms because you can't stop like your arms.
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I thought I was going to regret it. I was going to regret it.
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This got a little bit of his own. I don't like to whip ass and that's a different thing than I had a thing. But yeah, the arms are slippery, right? Do you know what I'm saying? Yes. Roll. What if it was without it was a disease, you know, instead of a lisp, you know, it's always got a rasp. Oh, the poor bastard. Well, it can't help it to speech and better.
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Stutters and stutters are neurological.
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Stop it, sir.
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Yeah, that's a neurological thing.
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There was a kid that I used to be friends with, and his brother had stutter. Poor bastard. It just fucking just would lock up, man. He would lock up in front of you, and he'd want to help me through it.
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Yes, yes. And you have to act like nothing, Mike. That something about stutter's in dear me to the person, like I want to protect them. Yeah. We had a guy in my talk when I was a school who would sometimes, we'd line up, and he'd have to say chariot conniered to like now. And he could hit such a bad stutter. So we obviously didn't have to go chariot. And we have to wait sometimes for 40 seconds. Wow. But of course we all did. And it's something about a stutter has always made me feel protective over the person.
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If you're stuttering all the time, you'll be getting kicked in the head. That's a good question. You got a lot of it. You got the shit going on there already. You got some bad connections. Maybe you could rattle it loose. Like you hear about those stories where like kid gets in a car accident and also they can play music.
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Yeah. Well, there's Robert Sachs to the thing about this guy who got struck by lightning. It's regular dude. Got struck by lightning. And became obsessed with music, especially the piano. And just didn't literally did nothing but play 12 hours a day and think piano. And he was convinced it was a sign from God. So Robert Sachs said, well, you know, it may be a sign from God, but is there any way I can study your brain? And he said, no. No, this is Scott, and I'm not interested in the scientific, and he was just such a bummer for him. He was like, what the fuck happened? What happened? You got struck by lightning, and you became obsessed with the piano. Where he literally played all day.
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I think he's probably scared that if he finds something that's wrong, that they might like fix it. Well, I think he's going back to being normal.
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Well, it's very strange to me also because what they find with people who, like when they say something like, you've got to follow your passion, man. The problem with that is that you've got to broaden your passion, because sometimes your passion can be just what you know. And a lot of people consider their passion what they're just good at. already or they came at it with the right you know emotional state so it was easier for them to learn but some passions you have to work at really hard before you get good at them like math or for that matter even like boxing you know something like that but so right but why would you think that he would want to not have his brain examined Oh, I think that's a religious superstitious thing. I think that he kind of felt he would go away if somebody did something to his brain.
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Is that what you think?
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Like, yeah, that's what sacks that. I mean, that did an effect.
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I would wonder if he would be afraid that it was purely psychological. Like, this is my, I think there's a lot of people who say they believe in God and they'll talk about the fact they believe in God, but I don't know. They believe 100%. I think they might believe like 80%. And that's 20% haunts them. They don't want to address that 20%. And when something like this happens, where is a tangible effect of a physical act and you attribute it to God? If someone comes along and says, no, you're Abdullah Mongala, whatever they've got fried. You don't have that part of your brain anymore. And that part of your brain dictate social skills. Like, if you have a hard time talking to people, yeah, well, you lost that. That part's not there anymore. So you're basing all your attention is now going to music. And if you found out that instead of like God gave you a gift, That would fuck with your head.
SPEAKER_04
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Well, a lot of, they say that people who, the fundamentalists, people who are, you know, they believe, and they will in the dive of their beliefs. There's always a great deal of doubt, way more doubt with those people.
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How much fucking mental illnesses there in this world? You know, it's something no one wants to bring up. No one wants to bring up like how much of believing in unbelievably ludicrous shit. is a type of a mental illness.
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The first question though also is this, I mean if you say I believe in God, I actually think the better question initially is what is God? First of all, how do you define God?
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Yeah, I mean in God what they thought he was when they were writing on animal skins or can we define God as there's obviously a better look, there's a way that feels good in this world and there's a way that feels bad in this world. What feels bad? Tragedy, disease, injury, pain, suffering, violence, crime, stealing, taking advantage of robbing that. Oh, did you hear what that fuck did? Oh, this guy got fucked over. Oh, this guy got beat up. Look at this video. Fuck this guy got this. That's obviously the worst way to go. I mean, we feel that, right? but positive is like, you see friendship and you see happy kids playing and you see people smiling because they enjoy their child. Self-sacrifice. You see barbecues, you see like prosperity and friendship and kinship. You see all this good stuff and so if you just obviously if you just live your life more towards the good stuff. Is the most you can that's like a godly life. Yeah, it's like if that's a great spot for the rational life, right?
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That's what they called it.
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Does that what they called it the rational life?
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Like in other words, as long as you stay within what would be considered the rational. So so if you Right they was wrote Roman law was kind of predicated on right so if you park your chariot in an area where if they do in Carthage and you get a ticket and you go to the judge and you say hey Roman judge and Carth is we park our charis this way and the Roman judge goes okay well in Rome we do it this way so try to do try to do it that way but did this way to donate delineate the law then a man comes long snatches a baby at a woman's arm and kidnaps it or kills or something And all this goes, and you go, well, I know we do that in Carthage. Well, what Roman law would say is, whether you do that in Carthage or not, it doesn't matter because this is outside the bounds of rationality, this is outside the bounds of nature, this is an unnatural act.
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And so romance, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. entirely upon what happened in them when they were young. It's what you're exposed to when you're really young. If you find out about the vast majority of people that commit like horrific acts, like a good chunk of them had some serious trauma when they were young. Whether it was someone sexually molested them or someone abused them, there was a lot of abuse. There's something wrong. They only have a few of them that people can't figure out. Like, you know, it was a big one that they have a hard time figure out. Jeffrey Dahmer. Yeah, well, the Dahmer apparently had like normal parents.
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A lot of that social path gene that there's been so much research recently written on this. In fact, Barbara Oakley wrote a book called The Evil Jeans and they really looked at how different serial killer brains and they think that there is for sure Something that goes on genetically with sociopaths of John Wayne Gacy and those kind of people. They actually, in many cases, you can actually tell they have a different brain than do regular people. And there's a lot of science now about that.
SPEAKER_03
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But that could make sense. I mean, if you look at every body type there is, look at all the different flaws that people just are born with. Like, like me, like I've, I've been a LIGO. So I've spots where I don't grow any pigment around my mouth. It has bigger hands and bread and chop. Keep calm. Yeah, I'm very giant hands-on-evolved. I've got a lot of issues. But that's probably not bad. That's probably not bad. That's just a guy gave me freaky bones. But the bad stuff is very minimal. You look at some bad stuff that people have. Like we know people that are dead. We know people that had cancer and died. We know people that are born with degenerative arthritis. You know, Sean Rouse. I'm that poor bastard. I mean, that poor bastard is always in pain. And he's a fucking funny dude, man. Rouse is funny, shit. He's really good. And he, the kid's always in pain. Every time he shakes his hands, it's like, you know, you just want to be as gentle as you can. You know, he's got a rheumatoid.
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Oh, it's bad dude. It's bad. It's an autoimmune. He just got new knees though.
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Yeah, he has got his knees or his legs. He's in his thirties. Yeah. Dude, he's, you know, he just, the, the genetic role of the dice, it just, he got fucked. And so, my point was that there's so much variation in, like you see people with dwarfism, you see people with, gigantic, there's variation everywhere, which is what only makes sense that there'd be variation in the structure of the actual brain itself. Some people are born with weak eyesight. There are eyesight sucks, right?
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The brain is a physical, body. I mean, there's no reason to believe that, you know, first of all, evolutionary biologists have come to the conclusion that the brain, our brains are different. I mean, you're not born a blank slate.
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Here's the big question. Here's the really big question. This is the one for everywhere. This is a hard one. As medical science reaches a certain point where they understand the components of the brain far more clearly than they do now. Because like, you know, one of the themes that we've had on the show the last few days, um, I had this guy, Thaddeus Russell on and, um, He was talking about how just like a hundred years or so ago, the way people would look at certain races was radically different than the way they'd look at them now. It can medical journals and shit. The way they would describe Irish was that they were like basically like apes and they would do this in like Harvard and it was really fascinating conversation. we know now that's ridiculous right we know now that there's brilliant people from every single race and it's the big part of it is what do you expose to you know what kind of genetics are you dealing with and you know what kind of curiosity do you have in your family what what what how do you develop what what makes us your nature yeah what makes a sprinter does that disqualify him from being a brilliant thinker no it doesn't you know those ideas are there those ideas are in the past But if there was a way where they could examine your brain and go, well, this guy has no empathy. This guy completely lacks empathy, and he gets an enjoyment out of torturing animals.
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If you could find Sarah, what he's doing that, and in fact, what they found is a lot of serial killers have underdeveloped a McDonald's, so that almond shape, that part of the brain, I believe, that floods with Sarah tone and et cetera, and a lot of them have smaller than normal or they're damaged. It's hard for like one of the things that they talk about serial killers a lot of times is for them to feel is sometimes close to impossible. They've got to go into extremes. But sexual sadism and all that stuff is what they call what this guy the great famous profiler Richard Walter calls a power excitement so people who get off on the some people will kill you over power they want to kill you but but when somebody's been torturing somebody they they they get off on the act of killing not the killing the act of killing and that's those kinds of people have they think have different brands
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They just get off on the power and they're not feeling any remorse.
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They get sexual pleasure from putting people in terrible pain.
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Here's the question if they can spot that. I mean, how weird does the world get? Why are you going to let that guy live? Like we would all have to look at them like it's no different in my opinion than having a vampire that lives in your neighborhood. If you had a vampire in your neighborhood, and the vampire was constantly compelled to feed on human blood, how long would it take before everybody rallied the troops and stuck a fucking stake in that vampire's heart? That's a very bad thing. That's a very good question. The first day, now if you found a way to absolutely identify a serial killer, like this guy is a fucking serial killer. This guy, this is what's important to him. This is what he doesn't give a fuck about. This guy loves killing. He loves torturing. give a foot. Yeah, you just to kill him. It would be like having a vampire, right? I mean, wouldn't be the same thing.
SPEAKER_04
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Well, or it'd be another thing. How about this? By the same token, what you would have to say about somebody like that is they have brain damage. Their brains are damaged. They are not working like a rational human being. So you want to fix it. No, well either you fix it or you catagorically look at it the same way you would look at any kind of a de-a-birth defect or a handicap. What that means then is what does that say about punitive punishment? Do you punish them or do you put them in a hospital and keep them in a padded room? That's the other question.
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Well, what kind of a life is
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I don't know, but whatever you do, let's just say that we can prove their brains are different. This is a physiological thing. They had no control over. But at the end of the day, they have urges. They have no control over. Say the way somebody gambles really badly. Now what? Now yes, they're killers. They're horrible. We want them dead. Frankly, it's a sick dog. Well, to human being, so what do we do then? What does that say about punitive punishment? Do you punish them or do you put them in a hospital?
SPEAKER_03
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Put him in the room with a very sensible John Wayne like character who's gonna say why don't you guys step outside and you hear bang he went for my gun and Then go home. That's what happened. I would agree. I say it's spirit.
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I can't write a law like that though Experiment experiment is not a bad idea using monkeys use human.
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Yes, you can't you can't write a law like that because it's a constant it's inconsistent with how about this every time you experiment on him you let him kill an asshole
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You take like a child molester and every time like the serial killer You let it like you try some new birth control on them or something every time you get them kill a child molester Yeah, well Richard Richard Walter that FB profile of was the guy who quit came up with a double helix whatever he called it of how a serial killer he interviewed 20,000 murderers or something like that and And what it's really fascinating to hear him talk about how serial killers come to be, so how they start, and they start in really weird ways. Usually it starts with some kind of fetishism, like rubbing up somebody again, somebody in a bus stop, or they call it peakerism, sometimes they'll find, like when a cop hears about somebody who caught up a bunch of leather jackets in a store, They'll go, hold on, we want to come in there and look at something. Because what Richard Walter would say, it says, a lot of them, who it into just cutting people, a lot of them started by going into department stores and doing terrible damage to all the fine leather by cutting with a very sharp scalpel. And they got off on the fact that first they could get caught, it's very expensive, they'd be in big trouble, but also it's the feeling of skin. So then what happens with serial killers they said is that you keep going and you keep needing a bigger and bigger fix and you never go back from that. Like you never are able to reverse the perversion. So once they have to, once they up the ante and up the ante until finally they kill, You're never going back. Never. That urge continues to come back more and more. That's John. That's what Ted Bunny would talk about.
SPEAKER_03
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Well, one of the most terrifying ones was the Zodia killer because he was obviously super smart. He would write things in code. He would leave them messages to crack.
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And he would also write letters to the victim, the parent of families.
SPEAKER_03
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Yeah, and he never got caught. Never got caught. They don't know who that guy was. There's all these different fucking speculations. None of them seem to be 100%. They have some idea, like people say that was my dad, people said I know the guy, but whoever the guy was, he had to be above average intelligence. It's very, very smart, which is fucking terrifying that someone could be very, very smart and just want to say this. Just want to fucking help people.
SPEAKER_04
22:33 - 23:24
And they're out there. It's the sort of, I look at it as like, what is that book? Do you ever read the demonic mail about chimps? Actually, apes and how human beings are bipolar apes, capable of incredible kindness and incredible cruelty. And maybe, and if you look at apes, I'll do that. Like, chimps will fucking kill each other and fight each other within their incredibly caring of the young sometimes and we're a bipolar ape you know but that could have a genetic usefulness apparently like the variation in genes one extreme to the other one extreme being I don't know mother Teresa the other extreme being Jeffrey Domer and we all kind of live somewhere in the middle, but geneticists will tell you that you need both extremes, you know, to create the mean. It's pretty fucking. You know, you start getting into this science and you're like, God damn it.
SPEAKER_03
23:24 - 24:17
We start thinking about that. If you think about needing both sides, like, is that exist everywhere in the universe? Is there a hot and a cold? Is there a, is there always an evil and a grud grud? It doesn't, does the evil make the good better? Does it make it feel better? I mean, is that a part of the whole thing? You know, it's like we were talking about people who were born in a with Roy yesterday. Roy Albany's Larry Scott. We're talking about people born into money and that when people are born into money, they're never happy. They just can't do it because everything's always been handed to them. If they don't earn it, if you don't feel that struggle of being broke, like I think you and I appreciate everything we've earned. Because when you were young, you can clearly remember that, you know, you were fucking trying to pay your bills and doing jobs and... There was always longing, you know... We're gonna jobs with you.
SPEAKER_04
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You worked in a bank for a while. I worked in McDonald's. I worked construction for a summer in D.C. in the middle of the summer.
SPEAKER_03
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Your story about working in a bank was so, uh, so on, because I was 16 months, dude.
SPEAKER_04
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Waking up point, I was still dark, put it on nylon socks. I literally, I thought I was gonna die. I started to become, I started to dislike myself. I was, I was being, I became, I wasn't even interested in what I was eating anymore. I became a bad person.
SPEAKER_03
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But that's how you got out of it, because your, your soul, whatever, was trying to help on your panic.
SPEAKER_04
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I said, I have to be an actor. I ran into my friends room, I go, okay, dude, I'm quitting everything. And that's what I had a dream. You know, I'll tell you an amazing study. I'll tell you an amazing study on your point. In the 1930s, they did this five-year study on Boston school children. And they took, do you know the story?
SPEAKER_03
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No, but I'll tell you right now, they're 80% of them are taught. No.
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Get off me, you might be right.
SPEAKER_04
25:16 - 26:01
Dix and twats. But it's a really famous study that had far-reaching implications, which was they took two large groups. And for five years, they gave one group a great deal of support. Money, psychological help, tutoring, coaches, and the other group they left completely alone. They came back 30 years later and looked at both groups. And the group that had at five years of that kind of special attention, fair it was fairing. far worse and had much higher levels of alcohol abuse than the other because the other group had to rely on this becomes self-reliant and that required all the other things. Now you have to be careful because sometimes you can damage somebody but certainly self-reliance and not learning helplessness but learning the opposite so fucking important.
SPEAKER_03
26:01 - 26:47
Well, it's there right in front of our eyes, we just want to ignore it. Like what did you just say, you have to be careful with the stress because you could damage somebody. Well, that's like analogous to working out. Like, yeah, you could hurt yourself working out. But if your idea is to just stay a piece of veal in a room that's padded so that your body doesn't ever move and get injured or get stronger shit. So that, you know, you could do a lot of things with your body. Yeah. Like, would you rather, like, not be in pain all the time and not, like, I like feeling your body deteriorating, right? You know, I don't mean sore for working out. I mean, like, when you have nothing, you have no muscle. Everything is just mush and goo and slowly gravity starts pulling towards the bottom. Well, that's what happens if you don't ever risk exercising.
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The same thing with your brain, you build neural pathways in your brain.
SPEAKER_03
26:51 - 27:17
You can literally build them. Yeah, I would think that with everything in this world you You can either resist and then grow stronger because of resisting or never resist and have this like a apathetic way of approaching whatever the fuck it is you're doing like everything you do everything you do is hard to do Everybody's like, oh, you know what's really hard. Making watches. You know, it's really hard. Everything that's done well. That's right. That's it's really hard. It's so true.
SPEAKER_02
27:17 - 27:19
Everything that's done well. That's why that's not true.
SPEAKER_03
27:19 - 27:28
That's why that's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. So we're trying to get him to watch that.
SPEAKER_04
27:28 - 27:35
It's parents didn't like him, remember? Yeah. He said my parents didn't like me. Yeah, that's good. Try some. He looked like he was going to cry and he was 90.
SPEAKER_03
27:35 - 28:06
Was that expression that they use? What's that expression they use? We're a guy who's just a complete master at something. I forget what the expression was. I scroll? No, no, no. It was a Japanese expression that they were using to describe how this guy who had worked so meticulously on creating this egg dish. He would remember he was making that egg dish for like a year and he just couldn't get it right. And one day the guy, you know, said you got it right and then gave him this Japanese, it's saving and find it, whatever the fuck it is, from the movie, Gerald James of Sushi.
SPEAKER_04
28:07 - 28:15
It was one of his, it was one of his apprentices who just kept having to throw in the custard away. We finally got it right.
SPEAKER_03
28:15 - 28:42
They have this weird egg dish that they make and it has to be perfect. It's like, I'm not sure how they're doing it, but eventually, eventually after a year, this guy got it right and he was so happy, he said he cried. Shokunin. Shokunin. Yes. Shokunin. What is it? What is it? What is it? Definition. Is it like a Wikipedia definition? What is it? Shokunin. Shokunin. Here I'll go go. Shokunin. Shokunin. Shokunin. Here I'll go go. Shokunin. Shokunin. Shokunin.
28:42 - 28:42
Shokunin.
SPEAKER_03
28:42 - 28:57
Shokunin. K-U-N-I-N. K-U-N-I-N. Okay, Shokunin. Shokunin. The Japanese word Shokunin. Okay. Literally translated artists and craftsmen who feel deep obligation.
SPEAKER_04
28:58 - 29:11
It's why I don't like political correctness because I think it's a lie. I think we live in a culture that is always telling you you have to feel good. And I think anything worth it, anything worth it, it takes exactly what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_03
29:11 - 30:50
Well, I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to feel good. I think the real issue with political correctness says that it avoids intent and it ignores the complex subtleties of human communication. It ignores the reality that one person could say something How about this? You can say something one time and it's offensive and you could say the same thing when you're in a better mood and a better situation and it's hilarious. You could be in the wrong state of mind when you say it or you could say it clumsily and people don't accept it. You could say it after something that people might think it's insensitive if you said it and they're not willing to go on on the ride with you. or you can say that same thing in front of the same people in the different circumstances and they can how laughing I think of the funniest guy ever I can't believe he said that oh my god he's so crazy It political correctness implies as you apply to humor. The big issue, the number one issue is that humor is almost always about something you didn't expect or something you can relate to. And both of those things, something you can relate to, you tell me you can't relate to racist stuff like, Look, there's certain amount of racist stuff that's fucking hilarious, including racist stuff against white people. When Richard probably used to do that, you know, oh, your mama, mother fucker, my mom, she's a great old gal. That is a racist joke. That's making fun of white people that are goofy. You can't even, oh, your mama, mother fucker. You can't even say that to them at work. I mean, that's racist. Is it or is it racial? Is it only racist if a white person doesn't and racial if a black person doesn't? I mean, what is it? It's it's a type of humor.
SPEAKER_04
30:50 - 31:25
Yeah. Well, there's there's I guess the difference in racism and bigotry, bigotry is an individual thing, right? So I'm bigoted. You can be bigger against fat people or whatever, whereas racism, just the definition applies to the institution of racism so you're a rat so that's why it was always used more sensitive to black people in this country at least because when you live in a racist society the institutions themselves are stacked against you because they're racist that's why you can't have a white pride shirt but you can have a brown pride shirt if you're Mexicans or teen vlaskas with tattoo that's right
SPEAKER_03
31:26 - 31:49
Like Roy Nelson joked around and he had a white pride tattoo on his chest. Like the brown pride on King's chest. What would anybody be able to do? I mean, there's something to that, right? Yeah. But there's not because, of course, no one owned white people. There wasn't a bunch of white people that were kidnapped over in Iceland and thrown onto a fucking slave ship and dragged over to America.
SPEAKER_04
31:49 - 32:04
Your text was so funny about, I don't know if I can even say it, but when I was like the honoring women in film, Yeah, so you're like women in film having women always been in film then you go what if they had what if they honored white men in film I want to what happened?
SPEAKER_03
32:04 - 32:33
What what kind of an uproar if you haven't seen honoring men in film? Right especially white men yeah because you could do black men right black men in film like that would be like a like a real black tie affair sure you would go there and dress in your best Put on your shiny issues, but what I said was you said that they're it's a women in film like it aren't women in every movie right they're basically in every movie crack how many movies don't have women Well, they all thank you earlier.
SPEAKER_04
32:33 - 32:38
Haven't they always been in movies always in F and forever?
SPEAKER_03
32:38 - 33:32
I mean, yeah, they've done some awesome shit. I don't have a problem. This is my issue. I don't have a problem with them honoring women in film at all. I have no problem. I point out like what if They wanted to do white men in film because I know that there would be a massive outrage. I accept the fact that people want to honor only women in film. I accept the fact that I bet for women it's pretty fucking frustrating sometimes because I bet a lot of movies that women go to are just not geared for women. There's a lot of movies like if you go and see, you know, transformers. That was that's probably geared towards anybody. They probably cut that bitch right down the middle with stats and graphs. And they probably did phone calls and fucking brought in people to analyze it. They probably cut that bitch right down the middle, men and women. They probably give you just enough mushy bullshit so that women go, go for it.
SPEAKER_01
33:32 - 33:38
But my girlfriend would say, ugh, if I go, hey, that's what's transformers. That would be her reaction. Well, that was a girlfriend. She's smart.
SPEAKER_03
33:38 - 33:52
That what they were honoring. Okay, like the deer hunter. Like, here's a movie, the deer hunter. It's a fucked up movie man. Chicks don't want to see a movie, whereas Mao got some Mao! Mao! Yeah. They got the fucking gun by the head, and you know he's eventually going to shoot himself and they're playing... They're playing machine for that.
SPEAKER_04
33:52 - 33:54
I became an actor because that's the same.
SPEAKER_03
33:54 - 34:01
They're keep going on. It's fucking amazing movie. If you never see the deer hunter, it's one of those movies from the 70s. What does it, like, 71 or something like that?
SPEAKER_04
34:01 - 34:05
It was, everyone best picture in 1978. Was it that late? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03
34:05 - 34:25
Oh, wow. But why don't I think it was weird? Either way. It's from an era where a lot of the movies don't hold up. Yeah. Though 70s movies, man, some of them are tough to watch. Not the fucking deer hunter. Holy shit, that's a good movie. That was so beyond anything at the time. Shocking. Shocking. When he shoots himself in the head and grabs him, no!
SPEAKER_02
34:25 - 34:27
Oh, my God. She's so hard-breaking.
SPEAKER_04
34:27 - 34:34
Right. When I saw that, I was at an age where I just, I first thought I took movies seriously. And second of all, I never got over that. I was just like, I don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_03
34:34 - 34:50
That movie was incredible. That was Robert De Niro when he was a mother. The greatest, the greatest at that point. When Christopher Walkman, he was a mother fucker. He's still a mother fucker. Christopher Walkman, he gave him a good role. He's still a mother fucker. He still carries this creepy power to him.
SPEAKER_04
34:50 - 34:55
I watched that the the awesome scene from pulp fiction. I know.
SPEAKER_03
34:55 - 35:16
The watch of romance from true romance. Yeah, that's the great scene. That's the greatest scene. I didn't really like the scene in Pope fiction. I did. I was like, I get it. The watch was up your ass. I love that. I didn't buy it for some reason. I love the movie, but I'm like, that scene is like, come on. I got out of here with this watch. I know it. Get it. It's up your ass. You know, I don't know. Whatever. Whatever. He's it. Didn't work for me. But him and true romance.
SPEAKER_04
35:17 - 35:29
You know why I'm Mr. Wally? I'm the Antichrist. You've got me and I've been in that kind of mood. When did you do a little Q&A at the risk of sounding redundant? I'm trying to make you answer genuine. It was so awkward.
SPEAKER_03
35:29 - 35:38
It was so creepy when he did it, too, because it's the words like the tone. It's a very originally Christopher walk-in type of delivery.
SPEAKER_04
35:38 - 35:53
I'd never, I couldn't believe that scene. I was like, what? I said, we're doing a little pantomime. It's the pantomime. Guy gives himself 17, whatever it is. 17 different movements, the girls 21, but anyway, it just goes through this hole where it's like, we did this fucking pool hustlers movie.
SPEAKER_03
35:53 - 36:49
Pool hold junkies. People try to tell me that was good. Oh, God. Oh, God. It's the fucking awful. And as they say, the lion and the jungle, it's not a good scene. Everybody told me it's like this gives us great speech my girl that movie is dog shit Yeah People who still recommend it like that movie was awesome King of New York was great too when it gives us speech was amazing in that problem with that pool hall movie is no one could really play pool They're all like whack and balls around and shit like they're not they're not really playing pool You can't have a movie where you don't even teach the guy how to play pool. It's got to look at least a little bit like you can actually play pool. Yeah, this is offensive And it's just like, come on. It's so goofy. The guy who doesn't want to get the job. It's like, why do you like pool so much? I have no idea. Yeah. I learned it at a formative age. You know, learned it when what I was, it helped me transfer a lot of focus and energy that I probably would have put into bad places. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_04
36:49 - 36:54
Man, you're good. You ran a table, I think three times. Me, a child were like, just ran a table three times. That's good.
SPEAKER_03
36:55 - 37:04
I play a lot. I got this table right here. It's a stupid thing to get good at. I totally freely admit it. Like people go, you're more golf, but you play a pool. Dude, I mock everything. I mock myself.
SPEAKER_02
37:04 - 37:06
I mock you. I mock me. I mock golf. I mock every fucking thing there is.
SPEAKER_03
37:14 - 37:53
Pink ribbons for breast cancer and walking for AIDS. I mock it all. Everything's mockable. Birds. But birds can suck my dick. Every one of them. I mock birds. It insults me with their freedoms. I'm down with mocking birds. Get it? Yeah, I mean, I think the more I can laugh, the better, and I find the happy Ryan, like I was listening to Jim Norton on the radio today, on the opening of the show, he's telling the story, him and Jim Florentine about how Jim Norton was jerking off in the back seat of his car while they were driving home from again. No, no. He had met a girl, he was so excited. It was so funny, I was fucking crying.
SPEAKER_04
37:53 - 37:57
Why could he have met her and he wanted to drink off before he got together with her, what?
SPEAKER_03
37:57 - 38:23
He, no, no. He met her and it didn't work out. He hooked up with her. Like, you know, it wouldn't be like touch. She touched him or something like that. And then he had to go and he was so fired up that he had a jerk off. So he jerked off in the car in the back seat and they were telling the story. It was fucking hilarious. And they were telling the story. He was positive each other as balls. And it was, it was genuinely enjoyable for both them and for me. It's like it's fun. Listen, but people don't, you know, there's some people that just don't can handle.
SPEAKER_04
38:23 - 38:28
I want to be laughing or learning. Everything else in the middle is like boring. I guess I'll eat and sleep, but overall.
SPEAKER_03
38:28 - 38:43
So you have a problem with being stupid. I love being stupid. But they have a problem with it. You know what I mean? People don't like being mocked because a lot of times when they're being mocked, there's no humor to it. Or if there is a humor, it's a very mean humor. Like there's some humor that's just not funny.
SPEAKER_04
38:43 - 39:18
It goes back to that same thing about politically correct. Can we laugh at it? Every academic I have in my podcast, you know, I love having all the academics. Every single one of them, every single one of them says basically says to me, what kills me is how politically correct I have to be in my classroom. If I'm not, if I'm not, I could get in huge trouble. So if you're a Harvard Yale faculty, you better be speaking for everyone, including Paul Penese and tribes. It doesn't matter, man. If you say anything, if you even say, it's just unbelievable, man. And that's the number one complaint I hear from
SPEAKER_03
39:18 - 40:30
Okay, but here's the big question. This is sort of the question that I had with Thaddeus Russell and we talked about yesterday was roaring too. Is this a sign of some sort of social progress that we're like springing back so far the other way that it's just it's it's rebounding like some of the lost ground that was giving up when they had things like separate fucking fountains for men, when women could get raped, no one would do anything about it, when cops would literally ask someone, what were you wearing when you got raped? I mean, all the different things that have happened, all the different times of people have been homophobic or, you know, outwardly sexist, both from towards men and towards women, that the bigger the reaction that like is happening now like this this big blowback this big politically correct left wing progressive push that may be it's just like the waves of the ocean like we were talking about earlier the end of the angle that you need the evil to have the good and you sometimes you need the good to just blow the fuck up so even the evils like okay I think the answer is yes that the wave is is pushing in the other direction however if a good direction however you got to make sure it doesn't it doesn't It doesn't get too crazy.
SPEAKER_04
40:30 - 40:34
It doesn't become its own form of tyranny and it doesn't get in the way of the truth.
SPEAKER_03
40:34 - 41:54
Also, you have to realize it's some people they use an ideology to get out their aggression and they can choose to decide that it's relevant or justified and in doing so what they are is stressed out fucked up people who have a lot of tension in their lives and they have a cause and they find a cause that they agree with that makes intellectual sense and then is supported by other people and then they aggressively pursue that cause. The point of calling people out and being nasty and vicious, what are they really doing though? I'll tell you what they're really doing. They're using a cause to be an asshole. Why? Because they're assholes. They're assholes that support a good idea and they're doing it totally the wrong way. And in doing so the wrong way and being super aggressive and ass-hole-ish, what you're doing is you're strengthening up the resistance to that. So if you're ass-hole-ish like in a right-wing sort of a way, you're going to make a bunch of ass-hole left-wing people that are forced deal with your bullshit. But consequently, if your ass hole is from a left wing point of view, and you want everything politically correct, and it's not freshman, it's fresh people. Yep. I mean, you're dealing with that kind of shit, which is stupid nonsense.
SPEAKER_04
41:54 - 42:06
I'll give you an amazing example of this. I mean, and it became a fierce fierce debate. When, when, uh, you're right? No. I'm looking terrible. This is the Sally Swing. If I haven't said, you spill this coffee everywhere.
SPEAKER_03
42:07 - 42:21
I didn't skill it out. I actually kept the coffee in my hand. There it is, not bad, not bad. But it was my Sally swing chair, which I love, is on some serious rollers. I got it. It was very little coffee.
SPEAKER_04
42:21 - 42:25
But this is a classic example of one of the biggest debates intellectual debates.
SPEAKER_03
42:25 - 42:26
Period. Period.
SPEAKER_04
42:27 - 44:19
which was the when it used to be that everybody would talk about human beings and it was sort of married to a Marxist ideology the idea that human beings started zero we are all a blank slate so every child is what is a blank slate and whatever you socially put on it will actually be so So who says boys should play with guns? They should also be given dolls and will make the world a better place and people men won't be as aggressive and aggression is learned. It isn't inherent and innate. That was the dogma. And then a bunch of evolutionary scientists started doing a lot of work like Stephen Pinker. And Stephen Ping wrote a book called The Blank Slate in a large part of the book is Chronicles. When the evolutionary biologist who studied, for example, the, uh, one of the names, the Yanamano, they take up hundreds of tens of thousands of miles in the Amazon basin. The, the, the men that had killed more in battle, sired more children had more wives. And when that anthropologist came back with that and said, I'm studying indigenous cultures here, where aggression not only is, seems to be natural because not exposed to the Western ideas of what aggression is, but they fight all the time, they have a lot of tribal warfare. It also, when they come back to their tribes, it also seems to be that they are more attractive to females. Well, when he came back and said that, the people that had held the blank slate theory went crazy and attacked all those guys attacked that guy in a number of other people they attacked them personally called them liars they're fudging their data and everything else of course now we know with Stephen Pinkers working these guys and almost all evolutionary biologists agree that you are born people are born like we were talking about with with different proclivities but human beings pretty much every culture we've ever studied They, they fight.
SPEAKER_03
44:19 - 45:12
Well, direction is, here's the deal. There's, it's malleable. Human beings are malleable. Yes, they have very, I deal it. They have tendencies that tend to be exhibited in their relatives, and especially in their family. And we've known that with dogs forever. The fact that we think that it doesn't exist in humans when it exists so clearly in dogs, like Joe, the guy I bought Johnny from, the master. Yeah. He won't breed a dog if it's aggressive to people. He won't let it breathe. He'll fix him. He'll fix the male. And if it's a female, he'll get her fixed too. And he just, if anyone that's a, they exhibit any aggression towards people, done. Any aggression towards dogs, not interested, not interested, won't let him breathe. So because you've met my dog, he's the sweetest dog ever. He's so nice. He's just so gentle. Like, my four-year-old will play with them and I don't worry. And he's fucking Big dog, but I never worry about it.
SPEAKER_04
45:12 - 45:20
But then you take care of these children, scratch and crawl, fight and hunt just for existence. You don't think that aggression is going to be an evolutionary necessity. It is.
SPEAKER_03
45:21 - 45:29
Well, how about dogs? How about the dog that you used to have? Ah, came bread. Exactly. That crazy dog that made it look like a fucking dozen goats.
SPEAKER_04
45:29 - 45:32
Yeah. Two goats, a baby cow and broke the legs of a half.
SPEAKER_03
45:32 - 46:14
Yeah. And what was up with that dog? Well, that dog was being bread for fighting. That dog was a whirlwind. Yeah. That dog couldn't wait to get its teeth on something. That's what it lived for. It was hypercharged. It was like it was on 10 all the time. I loved that dog. Yeah. I'd go over here and it was a little dog too. That's what people don't realize about people. skinny big home the real pit bulls that they used to fight them where they you know apparently still do parts of the country like 35 pounds yeah that's a big one yeah they're small dogs the big ones get tired apparently like those big dogs it's just like UFC fighters like see those big dogs that are like the those super monster pit bulls they would never fight those they fight the little except for him candidates he seems never
SPEAKER_04
46:16 - 46:25
Tim Kennedy seems to just grind you down. It's a fucking tough prick. Oh, it's a tough prick. What do you think what what are they going to what did you think about that? I'm sorry to jump over now, but no, it's okay.
SPEAKER_03
46:25 - 49:07
Yeah, but for folks who don't know what we're talking about of the Yoel Romero, who is this? Todd wrestler from Cuba two-time world champion yeah he's won he's won the metal in every single wrestling tournament he entered pretty much I mean he met all he was a silver medalist in the Olympics he metled in the world cop you mean just he's a fucking freak wrestler Kale Sanders and was a greatest one of the greatest amateur wrestlers of all time you'll well-remaro beat him twice twice I mean, he has that much of a freak when you're seeming the object. I almost wish, because he's only 37 years old. I almost wish we got him when he was 27. God, you know, I mean, God, 10 years of that guy in MMA. But it was hard for him to get over from Cuba to America. But he fought this guy Tim Kennedy and for the first round, he was beaten that ass. He was beaten Tim Kennedy's ass. It was just speed and it was connection. Every time he would hit Kenny, but Kenny is so fucking tough. And he's so fucking tough. His strategy was just to make this guy work, to stay there, have some gas them out, and so he starts attacking in the sack around, and you see Romero breaking. You see him slowly starting to get exhausted, and Kennedy is just working him, constantly working him, constantly making him breathe, and then the end of the round, he cracks him. But if you didn't see the controversy on Kennedy side, there's a video of Kennedy holding Romero's glove. Pull this video up. What? Kennedy holds Romero's glove. Oh boy. But it's like there's an animated gift that probably was show it just as good. It's hard to look at and be like objective about it because if you look at just the instance where he's grabbing the glove, it clearly looks like he's cheating and he's landing a couple punches while he's holding onto the inside of someone's gloves so they can't use their arm. But when you watch it in real time, in the full context of the fight, you realized it was a fraction of a second. And there was Haymeckers being thrown. He was holding on to his arm and it just so happened that for a lot, not even a second, he had his hand inside the glove. But that's not that's just a photograph you want to see the animated gift because the animated gift he goes from that Which is he's holding the wrist where the glove is which is totally acceptable to as he's punching for a brief moment his fingers went in there But then after that is when he connected with some pretty big shots at the end of the round like I honestly I looked at it a few times very objectively I've had see what's let's play it again play it again from the beginning Oh, that's a split second. He's just fighting. I mean, not only that. This is all in slow motion. It's a split second in slow motion. Yeah. So let's see it again. See grab boom. It's like not even a second.
SPEAKER_04
49:07 - 49:07
It got caught.
SPEAKER_03
49:07 - 49:18
I think it looks like he was sliding down. He was in the middle of fucking combat. That's what was going on. He was a beast right there. Just swinging. Look at how tough he is. He's got it. He's got a hold of the glove. Man, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01
49:18 - 49:20
Yeah, that looks like the one.
SPEAKER_03
49:20 - 49:52
It looks like, but it's a problem is it's happening in slow motion. It looks like he's really signed it. But he definitely slipped down. But one, two, I want to know how see the thing is though in the real fight. I don't even know if that was like he realized he was holding it and he let go. I mean, how much time was he holding it? Let's see if you can find the real video. He's swinging right now. He doesn't see it forget about this because this is not even half speed. We need to find the real video. Find the real video so we look at it real time. But look, I was calling it. I didn't notice it. If I noticed it would have definitely said something.
SPEAKER_04
49:52 - 49:54
I thought that it's a very short time even in slow motion.
SPEAKER_03
49:55 - 51:53
What was way more fucked up was that Romero was sitting on a stool in between rounds. They didn't make them stand up. They didn't take a stool away. There was 29 seconds between the end of the second round when he was fucking on queer street. He was on the corner of queer street and queer boulevard. He was right there. He got fucking rocked, man. He walked back to his corner like a drunk. That 30 seconds is giant. Whose fault does that? Well, you know, they said like Tim Kenny was saying his corner put too much Vaseline on him. See, that's what's wrong because it's not the corners that use the Vaseline. It's the UFC cut man that use the Vaseline. And so the UFC assigns cut man. We use the same cut man for every event. And we just, yeah, yeah, impartial cut man. I mean, certainly have friends and they, you know, I'm not saying it's impossible. It's someone would leave extra grease on, but I think they left the extra grease on his eye because he had a giant cut. I saw his cut man, his cut was huge. huge cut where his eyebrow was, like a good solid inch and a half long. It was a big fucking cut and it was bleeding. And so they closed, they stopped the blood and they put the the Vaseline on it, but that's just what they do. The thing was, John recognized the Vaseline and started talking about the Vaseline mostly because Romero was still on the stool and people were still in there. So he was correcting them already. He was saying, got to get out, get out, seconds out, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. He's got too much Vaseline on. Like he if Romero was standing up they might have said there was too much Vaseline on and it would have taken two seconds for them to wipe off turn to them good okay fight like a few seconds yeah, but he's still sad on that stool Yeah, he sat on that stool just sat there. You know sir Tim Kennedy's in front of him going what the fuck get up like what's going on and he's still just sitting on the stool that should be it. They should have, he's John should have called the fight right there. You can't just sit on the stool. Why didn't he take the stool out? This guy doesn't, but he doesn't want to do that. See, because if he does that, then the fight doesn't go on. And everybody misses the finality of it. And they get mad at him.
SPEAKER_04
51:53 - 51:53
They get mad at him.
SPEAKER_02
51:53 - 51:58
Yeah, they're going to try and watch him. But he was going to knock him the fuck out. You saved that guy. That's right.
SPEAKER_03
51:58 - 51:59
Bullshit. That's right.
SPEAKER_04
51:59 - 52:05
So I think he knew we wanted to see more of that. Absolutely. Don't rob us to the final thing, John.
SPEAKER_03
52:05 - 52:51
But you can't let that happen. And it's like you don't expect it to happen. But I guess you have to be diligent with a some corners who they know they know how to fucking get their way out of a situation. They know that they can look Angelou Dundee was on the greatest trainers of all time and when Henry Cooper was fighting Ali Henry Cooper cracked Ali with a left hook. He had a vicious left hook. Ali's legs gave out and he fucking crumpled and in between rounds Angelou Dundee realized that Ali was out to cut his gloves off Is this real time? Yeah, okay. Let's see in real time back it up a little bit Because that's that's weight. Yeah, that's good This is just a highlight reel so okay. Let's see if we can see that in the highlight reel. Boy, what's up with YouTube?
SPEAKER_01
52:51 - 52:52
It's mostly this laptop.
SPEAKER_03
52:52 - 52:53
Is it really?
SPEAKER_05
52:53 - 52:57
Yeah. What do I say?
SPEAKER_03
52:57 - 53:03
Well now that we have those new things, can we not use the laptop now that we have the new connection, Jamie? No.
SPEAKER_01
53:03 - 53:03
It's different.
SPEAKER_03
53:04 - 53:30
Alright, we'll fix that man. Tell me what to do and fix that. Tired of that stupid laptop. It's funny man. laptops of a couple years ago. They just don't want to deal with all the new shit. You're a techie. What about the iPhone 6? I'm not a real techie. No. No bunny stretch. Do you have the iPhone 6? I'm a tech fanboy. Yeah. Fanboy ask. Yes. But I don't really know much. Here we go. Real life.
SPEAKER_01
53:30 - 53:31
Yeah, that's holding on.
SPEAKER_03
53:32 - 54:02
Yeah, that's real. Yeah. That's real time. Yeah. But that's real time. He definitely did, but he was definitely holding the glove in real time. But again, did he realize he was doing it? It's there's an argument. Could be made that he didn't realize he was doing it, but there's also an argument that could be made that he had to know when he's doing it. But he's fucking in full animal frenzy yet. There's a difference between that and not getting up off the stool. Getting off off the stool is totally 100% calculated. There's no animal frenzy at all.
SPEAKER_01
54:02 - 54:05
That's like two and a half punches though. Yep.
SPEAKER_03
54:05 - 54:13
Yeah, it's totally legit. Yeah, but you're saying you're just moving forward. I mean, I mean, it let's tie. I mean, if you wanted a time it, I mean, I don't think that was a strategy though.
SPEAKER_04
54:13 - 54:17
I don't think it was like, I'm going to grab that glove. It doesn't feel like that. It feels like he bought some nuts for the hand.
SPEAKER_03
54:17 - 54:57
Yeah. It's enough time to know. that he's holding it and then he lets it go. See, he's holding on to it. Boom. Yeah, but the first one was no, the first, no, no, no, no. The first one is holding where the glove is. That's legal. You're allowed to hold the glove. Well, you're not allowed to do as this, Brian. Put your fingers inside the glove. Right. That's what you see. You're misjudging it. But that's not the case. Because he's holding the glove in the beginning. So he's holding the wrist in the glove. Then, as Romero's trying to pull away, some of the fingers go into the glove for a second. But you're incorrect if you think that it's illegal to hold the gloves. So I think that's one of the reasons why people think this is more egregious than it is.
SPEAKER_04
54:57 - 55:02
I don't think it is at all. If he knew what he was doing, it was one second, less than that.
SPEAKER_03
55:02 - 55:39
If he knew what he was doing, it is illegal. It's illegal what he did for sure. And it is in the middle of this fucking battle royale moment where he's connected. You know, holding he knows whether or not he knew what he was doing. I would imagine when you're a fighter and you're in that wild scramble for your life against a stud like you'll Romero. Yeah, you're probably in a pure animal state. Yeah, just reacting on instincts. He's been smashed in the head who knows how many fucking times in that first round and in the second round me Romero cracked him with some big shots and he's a spooky striker and then at the end he knocked him out
SPEAKER_04
55:39 - 55:43
I think Romero sitting on the stool like that is a way bigger controversy.
SPEAKER_03
55:43 - 56:55
Then Romero knew that the round was over. He knew the round was over. He knew he was getting extra break. 100%. 1,000 million percent. He was sitting there. Kennedy was in front of them saying, what's going on? Get up. Get up. And he's still just sat there. Yep. I mean, that extra 29 seconds was fucking gigantic because after this is over, This fucking combination, boom, boom, and look at this one. Bam, that last left, and I've right hand after it's another one. Do Romero can take it like almost nobody I've ever seen. Amazing. He fought Derek Bronson. Derek Bronson had kicked him, clean. Switch kicked to the head. Boom, he ate it like it was candy. Didn't even buckle. So unbelievable. Dude, it was crazy. I totally built for war. Dude, he got shinned on the neck and just ate it. Like it was nothing. It's so ridiculous. Dude, it's so ridiculous. Cause I remember watching that fight. I don't believe I called that fight. I think that was a Kenny Florian fight. But I think I was watching at home going, get the fuck outta here. How did that guy got hit with that? He just ate it. Different human being. But he didn't even stumble. Like whack.
SPEAKER_04
56:57 - 57:03
Like what what? No, he looks as close to a superhero as you get. I mean, you don't get more feet out. He's too particular.
SPEAKER_03
57:03 - 57:18
There's a picture of Romero with Hector Lumbar and Tiago Allen. See, it's the most preposterous picture. It's like there's so ridiculous amongst humans. What kind of genes are you dealing with? These gladiator genes of these three guys have.
SPEAKER_04
57:18 - 57:24
Even Tiago looks somewhat diminutive next to those guys. Like Tiago looks a Lumbar. He looks like a normal dude almost like and Tiago's far from it.
SPEAKER_03
57:24 - 57:32
Yeah, it was unbelievable man. The next Romero and Lombard. Do you do something about them Cuban jeans, man? Yeah, that's Cuban jeans are something else.
SPEAKER_04
57:32 - 57:36
That's a different thing. I know, by the way, you've been even thrown to a drown your whole life.
SPEAKER_03
57:36 - 58:34
Yeah, I know. Well, there was that boxer from the 1970s. I believe his name was Teofilo Stevenson. Stevens or Stevenson, but they always wanted him to fight Ali. They always wanted to get him from Cuba. He was like this amateur who'd win all the amateur tournaments. And everybody was like the same fair because Americans get to a certain level. They're amateurs. They get to a certain level. They turn pro, but the Cubans never turn pro. So they're always amateurs, but they're being paid by Cuba. So you got these guys who are in their late 30s who've been boxing their whole life fighting 18-year-old kids just lighting them up. And that's what you had with like the Cuban boxing team everybody would say oh the Cuban box teams the best work without a doubt they're very skillful very skillful but Recognized that they're competing far longer as amateurs than anyone in America Yeah, I mean, that's just what it was and then when so in the Americans were still winning like in the 76 Olympics and Mark Breeland and Pernel Whitaker and Meldric Taylor was that 76 was that right? No 76 was Ray Leonard that was 88
SPEAKER_04
58:39 - 58:43
I think it was a two or eighty eighty nineteen eight year mark mark pre-lock pre-land.
SPEAKER_03
58:43 - 58:44
Yeah, that wasn't eighty eight wasn't.
SPEAKER_04
58:44 - 58:49
Was it rise? I don't think so. Whatever happened to mark pre-land.
SPEAKER_03
58:49 - 59:25
He's uh, he's coaching people now. Yeah, he um, nineteen eighty four. Okay. Gold medal in nineteen four Olympics. Yeah, he was a bad motherfucker. I just rewatch some part of it. But the point is those were all those were all kids. Those were all kids that took on in some countries like, you know, when you're facing Cuban boxers and amateur tournaments or sometimes they're Soviet Union. Yeah, they were a grown man. They weren't going to fight professionally. There was no professional fighting. You know, that was always the deal with certain Soviet boxers. But Soviet boxing is really taken off now. What's going to happen? That ain't enough. You know, it's a whole shit load of them.
SPEAKER_04
59:26 - 59:34
Who's gonna fight who's the Russian? I keep forgetting Prop to call for whatever who's gonna fight provide in the cough. No, no, that's not his name. The guy's gonna fight Bernard Hopkins next.
SPEAKER_03
59:34 - 59:45
Yeah, I know. Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. I don't remember his name. I just saw him fight a few weeks ago. Can I take a left? No, can I take a left? No, can I take a left one? No, can I take a left one? No, can I take a left one? Is the middle way guy, right?
SPEAKER_04
59:45 - 59:48
Yeah, he fights it. 54.
SPEAKER_03
59:48 - 01:00:10
Yeah, let's see Bernard Hopkins next fight. Yeah, that Russian guy is scary, but Hopkins is a ridiculous freak. Colab, Sergio Colab, Colab, Colab, Sergio Colvalet. Yeah, he's a beast. Yes. It's fascinating that Bernard Hopkins is still boxing the shit out of these guys though at 49 years of age.
SPEAKER_04
01:00:10 - 01:00:18
And hunting, going after guys, like this guy who hits, I don't think he's, I think he's knocked out everybody's fault. Yeah, including killed a guy. in the ring.
SPEAKER_03
01:00:18 - 01:00:24
What? Yes. He killed the guy. Yes, he did. But, killed you get that. That's fact. For real? Yep. How do you know that?
SPEAKER_04
01:00:24 - 01:00:26
Yeah, fine. I've read about him.
SPEAKER_03
01:00:26 - 01:00:46
Kovalev killed the man, all right. Oh, love. Kovalev. Kovalev. Wow, it's a few Googlers. That comes up really quickly. Yeah. So he's a killer. Wow. It's a hard hit. Boxer dies in the ring. Yeah, his name was Roman Simakoff. There's a video of it. And Kovalev didn't give a fuck.
SPEAKER_04
01:00:47 - 01:00:52
Wow, I don't know. I don't want to say that. But I mean, he certainly didn't. It didn't hurt his boxing. He just kept boxing.
SPEAKER_03
01:00:52 - 01:00:57
That's what people were terrified of, right? Guy couldn't kill a guy and then go right back and be just as good.
SPEAKER_04
01:00:57 - 01:01:11
He's got really weird power. I mean, he really hurts dudes. And if you see there, we see what happens when he, there was highlights of when he hit some, and they just go, what? What's this? I'm getting hit. Oh, this is a different thing. Totally different. I've never been hit by a sparring partner like this or in the gym. This is different.
SPEAKER_02
01:01:11 - 01:01:11
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
01:01:11 - 01:01:14
And Golovkin's kind of the same way, and not a Golovkin hits that hard.
SPEAKER_03
01:01:14 - 01:01:19
Yeah, there's a lot of those Soviet guys that can just fucking crack you. Yeah. It's weird.
SPEAKER_04
01:01:19 - 01:01:25
Well, they have an excellent, the amateur system is so good. Mm-hmm. It's just like the Cuban system.
SPEAKER_03
01:01:25 - 01:02:03
Yeah. And supported. And a lot of them, they're starting out. Let me see that. Is that the fight where the guy died? Pull it up to the beginning. Sometimes guys also, and this is a reality of boxing, sometimes guys come into the ring itself already damaged from sparring. You know when Shob was talking about how he's just a spar with Shane Carwin and he would have fights and he was fucked up when he went into the fight. Like he said when he fought Ben Rothwell, he's like dude, I got KO just like not long before the fight by Shane, Spawn with Shane.
SPEAKER_04
01:02:03 - 01:02:05
They say that a lot of boxes were ruined in the gym wars.
SPEAKER_03
01:02:05 - 01:02:16
Fuck yeah. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. I mean, guys have died in gym wars too, by the way. 100%. This guy's a murderer, man. He's, I mean, I don't mean that in that way. I'm at, like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04
01:02:16 - 01:02:19
He just hits the rocious. He didn't mean to kill this guy, obviously.
SPEAKER_03
01:02:19 - 01:02:39
Of course. Of course. Well, it might not have been his fault at all. I mean, like I said, that guy could have gone into the cage already fucked up. Yep. It's very hot into the ring, rather. Yeah. It's very, very possible that he had a pre-existing conditions. It's very possible that it was from all the damage he took while sparring. It's very possible that he cut a lot of weight. It's a very, very, very popular. It's so much in tragedy.
SPEAKER_04
01:02:39 - 01:02:46
It's awful like that. I mean, seeing it, like a great fighter who gives his whole life a man, it's just the worst man.
SPEAKER_03
01:02:46 - 01:02:52
Well, how about when Roy Jones Jr. got carried out of the ring? And now we're seeing him fight again. He's back out of it. He went to sleep.
SPEAKER_04
01:02:53 - 01:03:15
he went he was in total parallel universes that the one with Glenn Johnson yeah those those the that's the damage that they say you know walk away from that's a scary one you go out for a long time like when many pack out got you know mark is knocked hit him with that left hook or whatever I mean he was just And it's not just getting hit there, then falling on your face.
SPEAKER_03
01:03:15 - 01:04:39
Yeah, that's bad too. You know, that's probably as bad that thing that happens to guys when they bounce their head off the canvas. Yeah. That's just as bad because you see like when a lot of guys get like viciously knocked out. It's one of the things that that does it. I remember when Mike McCallum fought Donald Curry. I used to be a big Donald Curry fan. Donald Curry was a sick boxer man. in the 1980s. He was sick. He had just wicked technique, man. He's just through everything perfect. He didn't have like a big build. He wasn't built like a monster. He just was a wicked athlete, a really good boxer. He cut weight against the sky, Lloyd Huntington. He had a really hard time making 147. And I was back when they just did not know how to rehydrate people correctly. They just did a terrible job of rehydrating people. And so he had to go up in weight class after that. I just fought like shit. And after that, he was never really the same again. It's like that one loss, one time getting beaten up in one time of losing the confidence of being the best power for pound fighter in the world, he was considered the best power for pound for a while. and then he fought Mike McCallum. Mike McCallum hit him with this left hook to the body left hook to the chin. What? Bam. And the one to the chin just sent him flying backwards. His head bounced off the canvas. Oh, a blam. Is that Ricky Hatton? Ricky Hatton versus Baton.
SPEAKER_04
01:04:39 - 01:04:45
He got shot off his whole bang. You saw in slow motion his whole head looked like an accordion. Yeah, you know.
SPEAKER_03
01:04:45 - 01:04:46
You just got perfectly parted.
SPEAKER_04
01:04:46 - 01:04:50
Are there more knockouts now in the UFC or is it stayed the same?
SPEAKER_03
01:04:50 - 01:05:53
people are getting better. If people are getting better, it makes it tougher to hit people, but they're better at hitting people. It depends on the matchups, really. You know, I think there's less people that fight in the UFC now that have one very specific discipline, you know, and they're missing the other stuff. Like you never see those, the grapplers that can't strike it all anymore. They're all, everybody's dangerous on their feet. Everybody, I mean, they're not equal. It's not equal. Yeah. But there's a lot of goddamn dangerous dudes. It's just very few people that have that glaring hole in their game. So you can't just go in and just beat the shit out of them. You got to set them up just like everybody else. They're athletes. They move very fast and if you fuck up and they catch you with something, you can get in big trouble, especially early in a fight. So I think that people just better all across the board there's there's better athletes now than there's ever been before guys like like McGregor coming up a Connor McGregor it's fucking kids a tremendous athlete Wonderboy Thompson you see that that fine. I didn't see that fight Jesus Christ that kids good.
SPEAKER_04
01:05:53 - 01:05:54
He's great
SPEAKER_03
01:05:54 - 01:06:54
His fucking striking. He's been striking since he was like three. And he's all point style. His hands are down. His stance sideways. Nobody can get on him. He's getting on him. You're eating knuckle sandwiches. Oh, everything. Throw his front leg side kicks. The body throws vicious leg kicks. Throw his head kicks. I mean, he's fucking good. His 57 and O kick boxing record. God. Dude 57 and oh, and he's just starting to figure out the MMA again. He's starting to get. He has a blue belt in jujitsu his brother-in-law. I think it's Carlos Machado one of Machados' brother-in-law. So he's, you know, he's been involved in martial arts essentially his whole life. But it's mostly just striking. So now you're seeing him learn to avoid the takedowns. And once he's learning to avoid the takedowns, he's, you know, able to be much more comfortable on his feet. Now he's getting loose. Fuck, dude. Guys landed some ridiculous combinations, man. Mr. Dominic Cruz is looking pretty good.
SPEAKER_04
01:06:54 - 01:07:11
Dude. He said to insane. Brennan told me he trained with him one time. He and Chale trained with Dominic Cruz and both of them at the end of the session. They were like both basically quiet because Dominic Cruz is so smart. He was like, no, when you do this, you do this and you be showing them stuff and they were like, how smart is this fucking guy?
SPEAKER_03
01:07:11 - 01:07:46
He's very focused. You see that when you pay attention to his analysis, he's very good at analyzing, like he did a great breakdown once that I thought was really important for people to watch, pretty young fighters especially, of when Cunley knocked out Rich Franklin, and he shows like the error that Franklin made, Franklin threw a kick in the counter, like he was right in line for the counter, and he didn't move his head off the center line at all, and I'm like this is so important that someone like draws this in, he had a diagram, like one of those things, and he's like showing You know, he's like pointing to the big screen and pointing out all the different, you know, because he's always, always the side.
SPEAKER_04
01:07:46 - 01:07:54
It's almost like TJ did the show, like, you know, like he and Dwayne watched Dominic, you know? Oh, what they did? Oh, they did?
SPEAKER_03
01:07:54 - 01:08:27
Of course. Yeah. That's going to be a fun fight to watch. Very fun fight to watch. TJ, if anybody is emulated Dominic style of movement, a lot of it's TJ. Yeah. But Dominic took it to a totally different level the other night. He looked like he was on Like he was from another planet. I mean, he was like that was seriously like the next level technique. Like next level aggression, next level proficiency, next level accuracy. Very good. Really. Mitsugaki's top five. Wow. He's number five and number six contender. Wow. Yeah, Mitsugaki's very good. Very good.
SPEAKER_04
01:08:27 - 01:08:42
Because what's one interesting thing to me is a lot of guys who shine in other divisions, other like organizations come over to the USC. Like watching Dallas Rooney. in that fight against Eddie Alvarez. And Eddie Alvarez, and Eddie Alvarez, was Eddie Alvarez the Bellator champ for us?
SPEAKER_03
01:08:42 - 01:08:46
Yes. And while he's just lost the time, he didn't lose the title. He's left and the title.
SPEAKER_04
01:08:46 - 01:08:57
And then watching when he comes over to the UFC and watching how what Donald's thrown he did to him was a real eye opener for me because he looks like such a killer and he's a great fighter but Donald's a different level.
SPEAKER_03
01:08:58 - 01:11:11
Donald's got real-moint high. That real-moint high is different than these guys that want to be boxers who just occasionally throw kicks. His boxes is occasionally throw kicks and there's guys who have left hook right leg kick and grained in their genetics. When Donald's thrown he hits you the left kick to the lever you better lift up your left leg to check because if you don't he's coming down hard on that thigh with that chin he hooks with the left and then chops with the right and it's in his DNA dude he'll throw that straight right left hook right leg kick all day long and you will be in that mom because you're moving away from the left hook you move away from that left hook you step to your left to void the punch the coming from the chest and he chops that right leg kick right on your thigh and he does it for no reason he's timing that knee every time you go in for a single leg good luck You know who does that awesome is Jose Aldo. They called the Dutchy. They yell out in his corner the Dutchy the Dutchy because it's a classic Dutch combination Dutch kickboxing being like one of the the most talent rich countries ever for kickboxing was Holland like beyond above and beyond so many great fighters came from Holland. It's almost insane If you think a nest of hoost, butter, horry, boss rooten, Rob came in, who's arguably the greatest of all time, Ramone Decker's, who's also arguably the greatest of all time, and Decker's, and when you think Decker, boss rooten is like one of the greatest strikers to ever enter into MMA. And one of the reasons, because he had that MMA striking training from Holland. He was all dealing with high level kickboxing training. You know, Peter Aertz, I mean, just you can keep going on and on and on. The great kickboxers that came out of Holland, the training in Holland, even guys you aren't from Holland, like Tyrone Spong, he learned in Holland, he developed that Holland style, but Melvin Manhoof, Holland. Monsters. This like the kickboxing is so high level there, man, just ridiculously high level. So they would always call that out the dutchie, the dutchie, and that's that left hook left hook to the body, right leg kick. Although throws it like a fucking baller. It's crazy. It's like art form when he throws it. It's like, woo, like you just spun in the air, like he was doing a, like he was a figure skater.
SPEAKER_04
01:11:11 - 01:11:15
I really want to say, I want to see that. I'm dying to see him a Gregor, although now, of course, who is.
SPEAKER_03
01:11:15 - 01:11:24
Well, I'm dying to see all the verses Chad Mendez, too, man. Mendez is improved at striking, but all though is always a motherfucker man.
SPEAKER_04
01:11:24 - 01:11:32
Mendez is going to have a hard time because he's so short and stalking. I feel like he's going to have a very hard time getting close to the Gregor Man. He just fights at a different distance.
SPEAKER_03
01:11:33 - 01:13:14
Yeah, well, that's why we want to see them fight. You know, it's always interesting when someone has big tasks to deal with. But the other task is we've never seen McGregor fight a guy who's a monster wrestler, like Mendez. Mendez is a super athlete and a monster wrestler. Like what happens if McGregor gets taken down? How well does he fight off his back? How well does he do when he gets clay-gweeted? Like, click, we did it to Anthony Pettas, just stuck on him like blue and driving to the ground and made a stalemate out of it. What does he do then? And that's a beautiful thing about watching contenders with various styles go at it. You get to chance to see. Like, from a strategic standpoint, there's so many variables. There's some variables in boxing and kickboxing. There's movement and different combinations you can throw, but the variables between striking and grappling and the transitions between those two are what makes MMA so fucking exciting. And some of the things that people boo at and they get bummed out about like a clayweed a stifling Anthony Pettis to the point where he can't get anything off. Those are good. You have to see though because you got to know that a guy can do that because when you see a guy like Connor McGregor was just running through everybody, you go, okay, what happens if he fights a guy who just has a lightning shot that you can't stop, like Josh Costcheck and his prime a guy who just like, like Yeah, just drives you across the cage like your fucking pillow and tosses into the air and slams you on your back. You're like, oh, next level shit. Different. What do you do? Yeah. How do you react? Yeah. And we don't know that yet. Yeah. That's one of the cool things about watching different styles go at it. You don't know what the fuck is going to happen. I mean, McGregor could hook, kick him in the face. He could do something crazy. Well, the first thing he threw was a hook kick. First thing he threw.
SPEAKER_04
01:13:14 - 01:13:15
I don't think I've ever seen that in the essay.
SPEAKER_03
01:13:15 - 01:13:20
Very rare. Straight up, Tykwondo. Okay. I mean, Krokops thrown a couple.
SPEAKER_04
01:13:20 - 01:13:24
But it was almost like, it was almost like, this is not much respect to have for you. I'm going to hook kick at you.
SPEAKER_03
01:13:24 - 01:14:17
Well, if you are good at it, you've got a good chance of landing it because people don't expect it. It's like this guy Larry Kelly. We've talked about him in the podcast before. He was a guy in Boston that was known to have a really good hook kick. He was known for it. Bill Superfoot Wallace had a really good hook kick. This guy Larry Kelly, back when Billy Blanks used to be a point fighter. he hooked kick Billy Blanks in the head and sent him flying across the thing unconscious. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. You can use ingrain. You can use it. Yeah. It's the same thing with the hook kick. I never really developed a good hook kick.
SPEAKER_04
01:14:17 - 01:14:23
Me neither. I used to hate practicing it. It was always the thing we used to be like, all right, here's hook kick. Let's move on. I want to do roundhouse.
SPEAKER_03
01:14:23 - 01:14:29
But it's good though. I just, I would, I, I had, you know, like, here it is. Watch this. This is crazy.
SPEAKER_02
01:14:29 - 01:14:30
This is crazy.
SPEAKER_03
01:14:30 - 01:14:52
Boom. Dude. Yeah. Hook kick to the face. That's crazy. Yeah. Watch that one more time. Larry Kelly was, uh, I was living in Boston and this guy was, um, Larry Kelly is like one of the karate guys that you'd hear about in the western Massachusetts area. He was like one of the best at this style. This point style of karate fighting, which there was some boom. Look at that shit.
SPEAKER_04
01:14:52 - 01:14:54
He thought it was going to be a style type kick, I think.
SPEAKER_03
01:14:54 - 01:15:08
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and he's just slid back and caught it right on the job. That's amazing. Yeah, there was a bunch of those guys who was Billy Blanks, and there was a couple other guys that I don't remember the name. There's one guy named Mafia Holloway, who was this big yoke-to-black dude, who was like super-fucking fan.
SPEAKER_04
01:15:08 - 01:15:16
Those guys, when you watch like, like, some of those guys, they were karate guys. They're so hard, and I mean, you get caught in the head, but those kicks, like, okay, around-house, good luck.
SPEAKER_03
01:15:17 - 01:15:45
No doubt. Yeah, there was a lot of those guys. Kill you. Very, very fast. And especially, if you try to fight them at that style, because that style, what is they were lunging, they hit each other, and then they break the action up. It's real weird. It's like, but there's something good, the idea behind it is kind of silly, because the idea is really based on this notion that karate man is too deadly, to ever land more than one punch, and that even when you land, they would get people getting trouble for excessive contact. like you can hit too hard. Yep.
SPEAKER_04
01:15:45 - 01:15:57
It gets the squalphi, but I think it's funny that the karate tech went into those, a lot of those moves like hook kick and slide side kick and roundhouse, you know, the way they do it and tech went into, are kind of just becoming more relevant in MMA.
SPEAKER_03
01:15:57 - 01:18:01
Yeah. Well, they're really good to have because they can say distance. What I was going to say is the good thing about the breaking it up is that you have to learn how to close that distance the best way you can. The emphasis was entirely on closing the distance and landing. The emphasis was not on doing anything after that. So once they learned how to close that distance, like with ridiculous speed, if you fight people that are used to only continue with fighting, oftentimes that's not something they're good at, because it's too dangerous. You don't just launch yourself across the ring at somebody, because if you do, you get get fucked up, man. Unless you're really good at launching yourself across the ring and being evasive and one of the best ways to do that is to learn how to play tag. And that's essentially what these karate guys are doing. And if you can learn how to play tag, way better than anybody else, that's how fucking giant advantage. And that is what Connor McGregor's doing. That's what Wonderboy Thompson is doing. What these guys are doing is they're incorporating a point style of fighting. And the people who are used to that moly tie style or a type one do style, like in point fighting, like, you know, or continuous fighting, they're not used to it. They're not used to someone who launches themselves with such fluidity across the cage. Like that hook kick. No, you would reach in. You wouldn't do that in a more time fight because you would never develop it that good because to have that as your approach over and over and over again is really ridiculous. Somebody's going to know what you're doing and they're going to chop your leg but they can't when you get so good at it because you've done it to this incredible level of proficiency. So they develop like a it's a weird and it's the same thing with Taekwondo in a way, because there's a lot of Taekwondo techniques developed because they don't allow leg kicks, because if they allow leg kicks, a lot of the shit you do wouldn't work. It was one of the first things that I learned when I started kickboxing was that there's two things that I suck at. I suck at getting kicks in the legs and I suck at boxing. Like when I was outside kicking distance, I was good. But when guys get close to me, I would be flustered. I didn't know what to do. I got punched in a face a lot. I got my leg kicked.
SPEAKER_04
01:18:02 - 01:18:15
Well, that was that's what's so different about Connor McGregor, which I didn't realize he was a national champion. It was a national amateur champion at his boxer, which I didn't know. And they never really talk about it in UFC. You never see that really in his credits, but he was, he won the Nationals.
SPEAKER_03
01:18:15 - 01:18:18
Well, it's his kicking that's almost more impressive.
SPEAKER_04
01:18:19 - 01:18:23
Well, I'm saying that he's one of a few guys who can kick and then when he's in there his hands are amazing.
SPEAKER_03
01:18:23 - 01:18:23
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
01:18:23 - 01:18:27
He doesn't have that problem. He's a good. He's an excellent boxer.
SPEAKER_03
01:18:27 - 01:18:37
He's an excellent boxer. What's shocking to me is how well he's picked up the kicking. He's like throwing hook kicks and spinning back kicks like that's his opening moves.
SPEAKER_04
01:18:37 - 01:18:47
I really think a lot of it is, like, he truly is after such a single mind and way, such a single mind and way, the championship.
SPEAKER_03
01:18:47 - 01:19:46
That's all that matters. He's next level. There's next level, guys. There's like, okay, here's the new evolution. The next level, guys, a guy who's a wicked boxer, who's got an iron chin, who fucking totally believes in himself, has charisma coming out of every fucking porn his body. Oh, and he can knock you the fuck out. with any hand and he calls it he predicts it like I'll eat predicted he's gonna knock out the number five guy in the world with in the first round friends get it dressed to the nine yeah he's hilarious he's awesome fucking love the guy and a guy like that man that's next level shit that's like everything that John Jones has failed to do with the public this fucking guy has done without even winning the championship It's fascinating because like a lot of people like, I've always tried to figure out what it is about someone that makes people like them. It's so hard to tell, man, you don't know what the fuck it is. Like, I never saw a guy like McGregor coming. I never saw that. I always felt like, you know, seeing all of this being a little rise up to the hype, right?
SPEAKER_04
01:19:46 - 01:20:09
So it's one thing to talk a big game. It's another when you are actually a championship material when you're skill level. Yeah. And you're doing what you said you do. When you, when you predict the first round knockout with a guy like Justin Poirier, Dustin. I mean, Dustin Poirier. Yeah, I'm terrible. You have a fighter pot. I know, I know. Dustin Poirier, I keep saying Justin. But I mean, that guy's a killer.
SPEAKER_03
01:20:10 - 01:20:59
You know, he did it. Poor you. He's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. He just got caught up in the in the headlights. Um, you know, McGregor's no joke. He's really good. And again, he's next level. Well, you were at the way I wanted to stand home. I wasn't at the way I was in Toronto. Yeah. Um, he's, um, it's a, it's a fascinating time for martial arts, man. Really interesting time because all these techniques that were thought to be, uh, not like pivotal techniques have become pivotal techniques like front kicks the face. That's not even a flashy technique, but once Anderson landed it on a vetoor, all of a sudden it became like a number one technique. And then Brown landed it on Alster. Yeah. He landed it perfectly. And that fucking, oh my God, it's vetoor or not a vetoor, vetoor getting knocked out by Anderson, but Randy getting knocked out by Machita, which is jumping front kick. Machita took it to the next level.
SPEAKER_04
01:20:59 - 01:21:03
I want to thank Thamus to see if it's a go. Did it make it front kick?
SPEAKER_03
01:21:03 - 01:21:29
It's so crazy that these techniques like that no, and now Thompson does like a lot of like front leg round kicks. He does a lot of weird shit. He sneaks kicks over behind your shoulder and then chops. No, Wonderboy Thompson. He's doing a lot of like weird interesting karate kicks. Yeah. Josh Thompson's got some serious kicks too. He's like the first guy to stop Nate Diaz in the octagon. He had kicked him. Yeah. That was fucking nasty. That was so vicious.
SPEAKER_04
01:21:29 - 01:21:31
Nick Diaz really come back to fight.
SPEAKER_03
01:21:31 - 01:21:40
Anderson Silva. Yeah. What is that? January. You want to be there? Come on. I got a show. Do the show at, at, um, the rush.
SPEAKER_04
01:21:40 - 01:21:44
Um, at the rush. What, what day in January?
SPEAKER_03
01:21:44 - 01:21:50
Whatever. It's like, whatever January. I think right out. Oh, I think right out. Oh, I'll figure it out. Oh, I'll figure it out. Do you have a, a New Year show anywhere?
SPEAKER_04
01:21:50 - 01:21:53
Yeah. Where you at? I'll be in Bora Bora with my family.
SPEAKER_03
01:21:53 - 01:21:56
Why? So you're never going to make a show in Vegas.
SPEAKER_04
01:21:56 - 01:21:59
Oh, it's in, it's, it's New Year's. Oh, shit. What are you retarded?
SPEAKER_03
01:21:59 - 01:22:00
What are we talking about here?
SPEAKER_04
01:22:01 - 01:22:02
I don't think it was after that.
SPEAKER_03
01:22:02 - 01:22:16
This is Brian. By the way, I'll tell you. I'll be out your party. I'm going to be in Russia for a month. What? Where are you going to come to my party? You are SCP. You dick. You don't know. You said to show up. Well, that's why you're funny. I mean, borrow a board.
SPEAKER_04
01:22:16 - 01:22:22
You know, speaking of which I'll be in that. I like your responsible people. I'll be at the Atlanta Improv October 2016 2017.
SPEAKER_03
01:22:22 - 01:22:31
No, just plug it like that. That's weird. Well, you were talking about where you'd be. No, no, no, no, I didn't talk about where you'd be. Well, I just happen to have, wait, okay. That's the better way to do it. We're talking about fights. You want to be there for the fight?
SPEAKER_04
01:22:31 - 01:22:35
But you want me? Why do you want me? Not October 16, 2018, right?
SPEAKER_03
01:22:35 - 01:22:43
Take it's on yourself. My thing yet. No, not pop it up. I'll be in putty. And man. Trying to bring in the Improv. That's where you have for what New Year's?
SPEAKER_04
01:22:43 - 01:22:46
No, I'm with my family. I'll talk about October.
SPEAKER_03
01:22:46 - 01:22:48
Why are you going to borrow a borrower? What the fuck is going on?
SPEAKER_04
01:22:48 - 01:22:59
That's my dad's taking everybody across the world. Old family, kids and everything. Peach you. Yep. Tell us like, really, right? Hmm. I never been. I get nervous on vacation. I just not good.
SPEAKER_03
01:22:59 - 01:23:00
Really?
SPEAKER_04
01:23:00 - 01:23:03
You get nervous? I just get restless. I can't hang.
SPEAKER_03
01:23:03 - 01:23:17
Here's a reality. Our life is way more fun than average. And you get to be a goddamn comedian all the time. And like, you're the Friday night and there's no show. You look at your watch and go shit. I could be on stage right now.
SPEAKER_04
01:23:17 - 01:23:47
It's like, crystal clear. It was like, if I'm not, why would I do anything? Why would I talk to you, dude? When all I do is crush and come. He's like, you know what I like? Like a crushing color. That's hilarious. Yeah. How about Chris living in a good old pocket there? I was loving it. Just his Instagram cracks me up and he's just fucking loving stand up and just selling out and selling out and all over the place.
SPEAKER_03
01:23:47 - 01:23:58
It's nice to be in a place where everything starts clicking. You know, I see guys like him. Everything is clicking. You know, it's all firing together. It's cool to watch.
SPEAKER_04
01:23:58 - 01:23:59
Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_03
01:23:59 - 01:24:32
I've been watching a lot of stand-up over the last few weeks. Really? Yeah, watch Cat Williams special. And I enjoyed it. There's a lot of people, some people were criticized and I enjoyed it. One of the things I really enjoyed is there's a version of it on YouTube. If you see the version on YouTube, somebody captured one of his sets before the special was actually taped, where he was on fire. He was just like, hitting every beat, getting ready for the special. You know, and it was more loose and relaxed in the actual special itself. I really enjoyed it better actually. I thought you could see like how funny he really is when he's on.
SPEAKER_04
01:24:32 - 01:24:50
I didn't know he was my son of the comedy store a while back. Well, the soap blown away. I don't know. I don't know three, four years ago. Okay. And I remember just watching him. It was on Trip and on Tuesdays or whatever they call it. And I was just like, what the fuck? And I walked out to him I go bro. That was incredible.
SPEAKER_03
01:24:50 - 01:24:56
Thanks man. Thank you. And I was very funny dude. He's powerful man. When he's nailing it man, he's powerful.
SPEAKER_04
01:24:56 - 01:24:57
20 years of comedy, right?
SPEAKER_03
01:24:57 - 01:25:13
Yeah. That's my kind of comedy, too. I love his kind of comedy. It's just so ridiculous that when he had that issue like he had a bunch of arrests and all kinds of shit, I was really bummed down because he's like one of my favorite guys to watch. So my please don't spiral. Don't spiral. Keep it together man.
SPEAKER_02
01:25:13 - 01:25:14
Is he back though, is he?
SPEAKER_03
01:25:14 - 01:26:19
Yeah. Well, he did, well, you know, he knows, but he did that special. That was a big thing. He did on HBO, Spike Lee directed it. That was a big thing. I think he's the funniest. He makes me laugh the most. When he's on, you know, but Stan hope makes me laugh hard too, but in a totally different way. Stan hope is like pointing shit out that is just ridiculous and then driving it through the fucking skull of America, where his cat Williams is just being hilarious. Just being, I mean, he has points, he does make points, but he's just, he's all about being fucking hilarious. Whether it's making fun of himself or making fun of, you know, someone else or everybody, I just this is a great time for comedy man. It's a great time to be a fan Yeah, it really is and it's a great time to be a comedian too because there's so much stupid shit going on It's like the every time you turn around There's some new fucking stupid thing and let's tell you just do there's so many things to talk about If I found sports, boy, I really have material. If you had some good NFL wife beating material, yeah. I don't know what the fuck it's going on. But it seems like every day.
SPEAKER_04
01:26:19 - 01:26:33
I think it's been going off forever. I think now it's just being more exposed. You think that's what it is? Huge league, a huge number of guys. Yeah, what is your number of guys? You're gonna get three or four dudes in the NFL? How many? I think there's 50, 50 guys a team.
SPEAKER_03
01:26:33 - 01:26:36
Jamie would know. How many guys a team? What's that?
SPEAKER_04
01:26:38 - 01:26:45
50 per team? Yeah, so 50 times 32 you can have three or four dudes in that ratio who are gonna step out. Okay. I'm not surprised.
SPEAKER_03
01:26:45 - 01:27:46
There's no doubt about it, right? Yeah. I mean, that's a thousand something. What is that? 1,500? 1,500 dudes. 1,500 dudes. That's a pretty low average, actually. If you only get a few wife beaters, I wonder what would happen if you got 1,500 cement workers. 1,500. I'd be a little higher. Yeah. I'll tell you that right now. How about 1,500, you know, whatever, fill in the blank. Yeah. You know, that's why when when everybody says, you know, oh, this guy got with divorce, he got fucked over women or guns. You, that's all you ever hear about. But I love when I hear about people that get amicably separated. Yeah. Nobody hurts. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lady who got arrested who was on the walking dead. She was an actress, like she had a small part on the walking dead. She sent rice in like that fucking poison to people under her husband's name. She tried to say that he was sending it and it was her. She's doing like 20 fucking years in jail for that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's fucking terrifying.
SPEAKER_04
01:27:46 - 01:27:48
People take it to a whole other level.
SPEAKER_03
01:27:48 - 01:28:01
Are you kidding me? I'm going to send poison and get you locked up in jail forever and laugh. I'm going to set you up because you don't want to be with me anymore. Or you cheated on me or you know, you fucking wrecked my car. Whatever the hell he did. I don't know what he did.
SPEAKER_04
01:28:02 - 01:28:17
I know a guy was dating a girl, he had a fight, she pulled, he fell asleep, he took a pill, fall asleep on a plane, she hunted his pants and pulled out his junk, and he got in real trouble for that.
SPEAKER_03
01:28:17 - 01:28:18
How did he ever get out?
SPEAKER_04
01:28:19 - 01:28:37
uh he had to go to court he had to hire a lawyer and go to court and everything in fact and uh yeah it was a it was a it was a major and they were even thinking about having him he was going to maybe even have to register as a sex offender it became a real issue because of nightmare and uh this story goes on but I won't talk about it
SPEAKER_03
01:28:39 - 01:29:12
Yeah. She's crazy. God. Well that can happen because you know what man you don't know. They can't scan your brain and say oh this guy's in a sex pervert. He's just a guy that got caught up in a relationship with a crazy person. But you know there's so there's so much power in accusing someone of something or in setting someone up. There's so much power if if someone can do that man or female someone can send anthrax in your name and get you busted watch it off on the sideline. My pan worse! Jesus! Like what kind of a sick fuck? Tell me where to get it!
SPEAKER_04
01:29:12 - 01:29:17
Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it!
SPEAKER_03
01:29:17 - 01:29:24
Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it! Tell me where to get it!
SPEAKER_04
01:29:34 - 01:29:50
Oh, besides you, besides you. I'm in the workplace. How you suddenly get hurt? One of the, one of the best people I know got accused of sexual harassment. And got suspended from his job. For a year, was the government job? So he hires a lawyer.
SPEAKER_03
01:29:50 - 01:29:52
Did he really sexualize the rest? No, no, my God.
SPEAKER_04
01:29:52 - 01:31:02
The story is crazy. The story was he said something, he said something in illusion to her dress that had relevance to something else. And she goes, I don't feel comfortable in a man out, but she has a history of doing this to people. So he hires a lawyer, a woman. So you have to hire this woman. My buddy said, they went, they went and sat at a table and before he even got to any kind of trial or anything, they usually think about arbitration. He started, he said, she started asking us woman some questions and you got to realize this woman thought she could get away with a lie. But all of a sudden she got into the ring, she got into the ring with somebody who does this for a living with a lawyer who this specializes in people who fraudulent claims. So all of a sudden, She started asking this woman questions that my friend hadn't even thought of when he said dude. It was the great he eviscerated her until she finally said. I don't feel comfortable. I don't want to do this. So do you want to drop the charges because you were maybe fabricating the circumstances? I don't whatever whatever. Well, that went away.
SPEAKER_03
01:31:02 - 01:32:30
But it's still scary that someone could just do that to the side. Yeah, they decide to hate you. Fuck yes. Or they decide they love you. And you don't want to have anything to do with them. Oh, God. Play Misty for me. Oh, yeah. And there's a lot of that out there, man. People are fucking nuts. Mayo and female, both sides. That's why it's gross when anybody ever goes one way or the other. I'm all for women's rights. I'm all for men's rights. Some women, I don't like it at all. I'm just off the chair. This man, I don't want to be around ever for the rest of my life. It doesn't matter what gender they are. Like I don't give a fuck. Should men women get extra rights? No. Should they get equal rights? Absolutely. Everyone, everyone, everyone should be treated evenly by the law without a doubt. But when you're like When you're more geared up towards one side or the other, like, I can't get behind these men's rights dudes. I can't. It's a strange thing. I think there's definitely some fucked up laws when it comes to alimony. There's some fucked up laws when it comes to child custody laws and some people do like what you were talking about and what I was talking about. Some people will make fraudulent claims about their children and they'll do it and they'll set a guy up just so that they can get total custody. They're going to war. So if they lie about, I mean, someone who had sent rice and is not above lying about what the husband did to the children. There's a lot of crazy shit that goes on, but it's a human issue, more than it's a male woman issue. There's some fucked up laws for sure.
SPEAKER_04
01:32:30 - 01:32:39
Well, I was going to say that if you took 1500 women, I wonder how many actually have lashed out and hit their husband. Even in the Ray Rice video, I believe she gets him.
SPEAKER_03
01:32:39 - 01:33:11
She gets him. She's not justified. But yes, she gets him. But what you're supposed to do is to cold on them. Unless you're the same size. Unless you're fighting Rhonda Rousy, you better throw some fucking bombs. Or you better be ready to tap out. You get it. I hope she doesn't break your shit off and stuff it up your ass. No doubt. Yeah, she will. But otherwise, just grab a hold of them. Don't hit. And if you really are fighting a chick that if you're living with a chick who is prone to violence and can probably kick your ass, she's too scary on a way. It's too scary.
SPEAKER_04
01:33:11 - 01:33:24
That's scary. Call her dumb ones. She was drunk. I didn't know she was drunk. One of the drunks, well you don't know their drunk? And she like they're just act normal. They're just caught. I called her dumb.
SPEAKER_03
01:33:24 - 01:33:25
I called her dumb.
SPEAKER_04
01:33:25 - 01:33:44
I can't remember, but it was just one of many things I called her. She's throwing a boot at me so hard. It's so hard. She was so strong. I ducked. I ducked in it and I had one of those sliding claws in it. It just just went right through that sliding glass. Just good goes. Just a hole in it. Whoa. I was like, what is going on here, man? I mean, it was nuts.
SPEAKER_03
01:33:44 - 01:33:48
It was fucker after that. Sure did. Yeah, he held it down.
SPEAKER_04
01:33:48 - 01:33:58
I said he'd come down, come down, and then we fucked. Well, that's the best part of that kind of relationship. That was fun for a year. Till I have to figure out a way to get a meet her.
SPEAKER_03
01:34:00 - 01:34:08
Okay, let's not talk here. I know who that is. You know, the violent part in the making up part of a lot of times, that's like what they grew up with, right?
SPEAKER_04
01:34:08 - 01:34:25
Yeah. Um, yeah, or they run out of, I think a lot of times violence is an offshoot of running out of other ammunition. So you're not, you can't think of something witty to say, you can't really think of a comeback. You don't even know what to do. I think a lot of times it's almost like, um,
SPEAKER_03
01:34:26 - 01:34:58
You regress immediately you just strike you distract cuz children when they don't have the language they'll hit I came to this girl when I was in high school and we broke up and she was dating this dude and She used to we used to work at the same place when I went to visit her once I was talking to her and she was telling me, she's crying. Tell me about this guy that she's dating, that beats her. He hits her. And I was like, oh my god, I couldn't believe it. And then she goes, you know what's really fucked up? Like it.
SPEAKER_04
01:35:00 - 01:35:01
I could have finished that sentence for you.
SPEAKER_03
01:35:01 - 01:35:20
I go you like it. Yeah. And she goes, yeah, I like it. I don't know why. I like it when he hits me. I go you like it when he hits you. Yeah. I go like, do you want him to keep hitting you? She's like, no, I'm just fucked up. And I go, whoa. I go, I mean, he like he broke her window. He punched through her window because she's important enough.
SPEAKER_04
01:35:20 - 01:35:25
She's important enough to elicit and insane response. So she feels valued.
SPEAKER_03
01:35:25 - 01:35:45
Wow, it was fascinating to me because we were both really young at the time. I think I was probably shit. I couldn't have been more than like 17 or 18. And she was probably like the same. She was like 17. I was 18. I think I'm like that. So when she was telling me this, I was like, what? Like you like it when this guy hits you? It's strange. Like it might have been 1918.
SPEAKER_02
01:35:45 - 01:35:46
And not so bad neighborhood.
SPEAKER_03
01:35:46 - 01:35:57
You know, we were just out of high school. You know, she'd graduated, so she had to be 18. So it was just bizarre conversation. I was like, you can't let people hit you.
SPEAKER_04
01:35:57 - 01:36:04
Look at how many people wore red rice, how many women wore red rice is Jersey and number at the next game.
SPEAKER_03
01:36:04 - 01:36:06
Because they want that violent dick. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04
01:36:06 - 01:36:07
They were all in solidarity.
SPEAKER_03
01:36:07 - 01:36:16
I thought that was amazing. Yeah, there's a weird thing. It's a weird thing when people just decide to fucking jump on board with the asshole.
SPEAKER_04
01:36:16 - 01:36:18
His wife came out and was very public about defending him.
SPEAKER_03
01:36:19 - 01:36:38
Yeah. Well, hey, um, she got complicated half or fucking brain knocked in. Who knows where her judgment's at? Dude, she got KO'd and bounced her head off the pole. She could have easily died. Yeah. Easily been dead. Easily been dead. The idea that he hit her like that and be me. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04
01:36:38 - 01:36:41
Also the way he dragged her out and didn't really tend to her.
SPEAKER_02
01:36:41 - 01:36:41
No.
SPEAKER_04
01:36:41 - 01:37:03
He can't. It kind of, that was what I thought was so impersonal strange. Like he just, like, If he had knocked out and grabbed her, I'm like, oh my god, oh my god. I reacted to whatever he gets. Okay, I'm a violent guy, I play football. But to kind of almost look at her and kind of move her with his foot and it was just like, wow, you are, that's bad news.
SPEAKER_03
01:37:03 - 01:37:38
Fucked up. That's the most fucked up. Well, no, the most fucked up is the impact, the punch. That's the second most fucked up thing is how you treat her like bitch. Get the fuck up. You know, just try wasn't until someone showed up and people kind of freaking out that it became you know something then by the way they did to their cameras and elevators I don't know if you know that in 2000 nobody was thinking that man all he was thinking was she's she ain't hitting me, you know, he's gonna hit her back this I was on a plane once in Michael Irvin and Michael Irvin where it's a long-ass flight we're going to Australia just randomly happened to be on a plane right and he's a good dude.
SPEAKER_00
01:37:38 - 01:37:39
He's over the US gang.
SPEAKER_03
01:37:39 - 01:39:07
Yeah, it's a great guy. You know and a great athlete and we're talking and he was talking about the foundation that he has, we works with a lot of young kids teach them how to harness their anger. And what he explained, he was explaining this to me on the flight that when kids grow up in bad neighborhoods with their violence in the house and then the mothers under stress all the time, it changes the reaction that the boy has to violence when he gets outside. It changes his reaction to stress. It makes him like ultra-impulsive. It makes him like inclined towards violence. And he was talking about how you literally have to figure out how to rewire your brain. And he was talking for personal experience. And he was talking about how you have to figure out how to rewire your brain in a positive way. It's very important to recognize that these kids are coming out of the gate. with the amount of control you expect out of a reasonable adult. They don't have that amount. They have less. And one of the reasons why they have less is the shit they're exposed to when they were in the fucking womb, man. It's like it's beyond that. I think that's the case with a lot of people. I wonder if that's the case with myself. I don't think I was exposed to too much stress in the womb, but I was exposed to a lot of violence when I was young. I've ever remember a lot of fucking crazy shit in my house, in my dad's house after my mom moved out because my dad needs to peat my mom. I remember some flying crazy stuff. That's stupid.
SPEAKER_04
01:39:07 - 01:39:23
You don't get over that. I mean, that's stupid. That shapes you. I mean, I remember how you were when you were younger because the world was a dangerous place man. You kept things at an arm's length. You were always ready to go. Always. Like you just were always like who's that guy? I don't know that guy.
SPEAKER_03
01:39:23 - 01:39:24
You gotta be careful.
SPEAKER_04
01:39:24 - 01:39:39
The boys I got talking on this right now. I remember you were always paranoid that we're controlling of the environment, you know, and then you started to calm down. I think we'd helped a lot. That helped a lot, you know, and you got to hold her. But when you were younger, you were not, you trusted me and maybe one or two other people.
SPEAKER_03
01:39:39 - 01:39:46
It was also, it was coming straight off of competitive fighting. Like most of my form of years, like from 15 to 21. That's what it was like.
SPEAKER_04
01:39:46 - 01:39:48
It was supposed to happen when you were in, it happened.
SPEAKER_03
01:39:48 - 01:39:49
That's true. All that shit.
SPEAKER_04
01:39:49 - 01:39:55
You didn't feel safe when you had, when you had a dad like you did, I'm sorry, man. That's not, your kids aren't supposed to see that.
SPEAKER_03
01:39:56 - 01:39:57
or they are.
SPEAKER_04
01:39:57 - 01:40:01
Yeah, well, by the way, you know, worked out.
SPEAKER_03
01:40:01 - 01:40:03
You know, man, you know, we took a long time.
SPEAKER_04
01:40:03 - 01:40:09
We spent all our time trying to shelter and protect our children. I wonder if that's the best thing sometimes, too. Dude, I have a gate.
SPEAKER_03
01:40:09 - 01:40:19
I trusted nobody. I remember being five years old and thinking people were retarded. I remember clearly, like seeing people argue over shit when I was like five years old, though, and he's fucking dummies. Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER_04
01:40:19 - 01:40:51
Why am I being in Lebanon during the war? How old are you? I was I'll do you lame even better. I was Fifth, sixth, fourth, fifth and sixth grade, I think, or even younger. So what is that? Ten. I was probably from the age of, yeah, eight, nine, ten in the war. And seeing, hearing machine guns having to sleep on the floor, having to sleep in the basement, seeing planes, bomb, you know, shoot missiles and bomb gas station.
SPEAKER_03
01:40:51 - 01:40:54
Well, you're like a dad. How many more years of this shit we got to do?
SPEAKER_04
01:40:54 - 01:41:09
Well, my dad could fuck back to work when my dad couldn't get back in. We had to be evacuated to Greece. But that feeling, that feeling of helplessness is a boy. Machine guns, men, and uniforms, just me, my mom, and my sister, that kind of stuff. That stuff makes you feel you never forget that stuff.
SPEAKER_03
01:41:09 - 01:41:56
Don't you think that that also sort of imparted that nomadic thing that you have going on when you could live anywhere? Fuck, yes. You can pull up right now. What? Like, Brian is one of the only dudes that I know, where I could say, hey, man. I got a place in New Mexico. You want to move there with me? Yeah. Okay. If you didn't have a family, no problem. You would pull up your shit and go anywhere. I don't make a touchman's pro at all. I'd be like, what do you need to bring? Uh, my clothes? Let's go. Let's get out of here. You don't, I don't remember when you didn't have a door knob. He didn't have a fucking door knob. You know, some people say, oh, God keeps his door open all the time. He's never his door's never locked. No, no, no. He didn't have a fucking door knob. Nothing. You could steal like a go over his house. And I would go, bro, you don't have a door knob. Like I could open, I can get on my knees and I can look through your fucking door hole.
SPEAKER_04
01:41:56 - 01:42:05
How about an event when the woman was, I'd say, cooking breakfast. She's cooking. You gotta go and on. I mean, she's making a meal at my stove. The cops are, you want to press charges. I was like, no, I got this one.
SPEAKER_03
01:42:05 - 01:42:10
I got this one. I was like, I got this one in place. Yeah. That was the same place where you didn't have a door knob. Yep.
SPEAKER_04
01:42:10 - 01:42:14
He was completely ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. What are you gonna steal my TV?
SPEAKER_03
01:42:14 - 01:42:29
I don't care. Yeah. You would just you could always abandon shit. Whatever. But do you do you think that's why like you don't appreciate nice shit? Like you don't even appreciate like a nice car. No, you make good money. You can get like one of those sweet new Cadillacs or something like that. Get a Tesla if I want it.
SPEAKER_04
01:42:31 - 01:43:31
I've always had a sense of guilt partially because I grew up in countries where people had nothing. I remember seeing like somebody with leprosy and no foot in Yemen through going through the marketplace is when you're a white kid and the math falls in your favor for no fucking reason. You don't think that your God's favorite. As a kid, I couldn't navigate or understand why I saw kids coming up to us starving in India and Pakistan asking for food, dirty, and I had everything. That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make you feel good as a kid, especially not someone like me. I had the imagination or whatever it was to kind of go, I got lucky because the math fell in my favor. I did zero to deserve this, and that creates two things, guilt and shame, I think. Right. And I never lost that. I never lost that. I still feel that way. That's fascinating. I hate having people come work at my house. Like if they're doing work at my house and I go out of my way to make sure that they, you know, feel like I'm the same as they are.
SPEAKER_00
01:43:31 - 01:43:32
I don't like it.
SPEAKER_04
01:43:32 - 01:43:37
I'd be terrible. I'd be a terrible king. I feel I find it very uncomfortable. All that stuff anyway.
SPEAKER_03
01:43:38 - 01:43:39
Yeah, no, I hear it.
SPEAKER_04
01:43:39 - 01:44:02
Yeah, that might be why my father laughed at me one time he came to visit me and my father grew up poor and he was laughing he goes, what's with this car? I was driving some terrible Ford and it was really dirty and he's like, you know, I can afford to buy you a Lexus if you wanted. Would you want one of those? No, I dare thought of that. First of all, I don't want somebody else getting it for me. Second of all, it just didn't, it wouldn't make an impact in my life, you know?
SPEAKER_01
01:44:02 - 01:44:02
Right.
SPEAKER_04
01:44:02 - 01:45:29
Right. And I respect the like Brendan. Brendan Schob grew up with not a lot of money. So nice things to him, nice clothes, nice car. They mean a lot. They mean they, they, they, they remind him that he's not what he used to be. So I've always respected the idea of limited materialism. I understand where it comes from. I also think it depends on what you're turned on by. I'm weren't as emoraged. And somebody said this woman was what this book said. I had all these experiences she went to study to work with the KGB as an interpreter and then went to the Antarctic and then went to In the end, she said, I was doing nothing. I had all these experiences, but my brain wasn't changing. I needed to figure out how to change my mind. She had failed math in high school, but she was looking, she was in the military and she was watching all these engineers solve problems in this beautiful way, but it looked like horror glyphics. And she goes, wait a minute, if I can learn how to do this, then I'll change the way my brain works. And she talks about it a lot, and she became a professor of engineering. You know that that I think I'm more interested maybe maybe it depends on what you're more turned it on by I'm really fascinated with changing who I am in a way maybe the way what are you trying to be better better but just just continue to be as original and as creative as I can be that's all that's my thing and you can have a Tesla in that I can. I want to get a test last. I think I'm going to. I'm waiting for my facade. My turbo diesel facade, at least to run out.
SPEAKER_03
01:45:29 - 01:45:50
This is just devil's advocate. Yeah. But people that make good money and then don't buy nice things. What is the fucking point of making good money? Someone who is poor, who looks at you, would be like, hey, dummy. But I have a nice house. You know, you're like part of, you know, we talked about this yesterday, the 1% of the world of the world. Yeah. More than 34,000 dollars a year.
SPEAKER_04
01:45:51 - 01:46:01
It's just nuts. That's the world. I know how lucky I am. Do you know how crazy that is? Yeah, and I buy nice things. I mean, I have a nice house and all that. I'm not believe me. I'm not like some smart. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03
01:46:01 - 01:46:51
But what I'm saying is get a Tesla. That's what you're saying. What I'm saying is people that like make a ton of money. And then don't buy nice things. There's one that's one look like, hey man, you know, you're the guy who has the opportunity to make a bunch of money buy nice things. But then there's the other point of view. It's like, okay, well, what are you, you know, you hear about Warren Buffett lives in a regular neighborhood and he's got a fucking hundred billion dollars. Um, yeah, that's because you don't form a fabrication, right? If he's gonna live in a regular neighborhood, how about you give away eight billion? Yeah, you're gonna use it. Yes, it's just sitting there in your 90. Correct. And I'm sure there's a lot of like philanthropic adventures that he invest money in. I'm sure he spends a lot of money on other things, but I'm saying like What level do you think you're supposed to give back? Like, are you supposed to give to charity? Are you supposed to be nice to your fellow humans?
SPEAKER_04
01:46:51 - 01:47:14
It's what I've been running for the other. I've been writing about the idea that, you know, this idea that I'm not saying bad enough to go to hell, but I feel like I'm not saying good enough to go to it. I'm definitely not sitting there and we're close to Mother Teresa if she's in heaven. You know, I just feel like I do a lot more than hell. In other words, in other words, in other words, there's a lot more I could be doing to give to charity. You can literally, I'm being literally. I'm being deep. I'm being spiritual.
SPEAKER_02
01:47:14 - 01:47:14
Right.
SPEAKER_04
01:47:14 - 01:47:22
But I do feel like I should be giving more in somewhere's charity. But then I think to myself, I'm doing exactly what I was put on the earth to do, which is make people laugh. And that takes a lot of work.
SPEAKER_03
01:47:22 - 01:47:27
Okay, stop right there. Isn't that just justifying like the uncomfortable nature of that discussion?
SPEAKER_02
01:47:27 - 01:47:33
Maybe I don't like this. No, I think about it. Maybe I'm just fucking awesome. And I'm here to be awesome. Then again, I'm just rather being awesome.
SPEAKER_04
01:47:33 - 01:47:36
No, because I spent a lot of money on lying and shit.
SPEAKER_03
01:47:36 - 01:47:38
Yeah, but that's not what you were saying. You were saying like,
SPEAKER_04
01:47:39 - 01:48:02
I should, I feel like maybe should I get more to charity and what does that mean? Okay, first of all, here's the difference. Here's how you do it. So if I could give to charity and there's a lot of different definitions, is charity going back to what we were talking about is charity what people need or do they need inspiration? So, how do you create inspiration? So, giving money to survivors?
SPEAKER_03
01:48:02 - 01:48:06
Or? I don't know. Why is it an or? I just don't even know.
SPEAKER_04
01:48:06 - 01:48:25
If I could do, if I could make a big difference, there's a school and, you know, Haiti or something, I'm sure it could use some money, right? Right. Okay. All right. I could give to that school. Um, and I do. I do have charities. I give two give to doctors without borders. I give to operation, uh, smile, uh, at, uh, at different things. I got my own individual thing.
SPEAKER_03
01:48:25 - 01:48:30
People, people have a hard time when they give charity and they find out how much money goes to administrative costs.
SPEAKER_04
01:48:30 - 01:48:43
Fucking drives me crazy. Fucking, I think the United Way, what was it? What they say out of a dollar, a penny actually goes to the charity. The rest is run, the whole fucking thing. It's a whole bureaucracy. They got to run. But to business. It drives me crazy.
SPEAKER_03
01:48:44 - 01:48:47
It drives me crazy. That one penny does go to the starving kids.
SPEAKER_04
01:48:47 - 01:48:48
Yeah. We'll go fuck yourself.
SPEAKER_03
01:48:48 - 01:48:54
What do you think the number is? Pull up the number, find out how much which organization was it? You know your way. United way.
SPEAKER_04
01:48:54 - 01:48:59
See how much money it actually goes. I believe it's a penny. I believe it's it's a it's a hundredth of it.
SPEAKER_03
01:48:59 - 01:49:05
I'm gonna get crazy and say it's 20 cents. 20 cents out of a dollar. Okay. You think it's really a penny? Used to be.
SPEAKER_04
01:49:05 - 01:49:06
Give it a special on it. It's 47.
SPEAKER_03
01:49:07 - 01:49:19
40 cents? I don't think it's that high. I bet it's less than 40 cents. It's a huge company. Okay, I say 20, you say one. Brian says 40. Is it 47? No, no. Oh, you're saying 47. I'm looking for it.
SPEAKER_04
01:49:19 - 01:49:21
I feel like that's not the internet that we get at the answers to all these things.
SPEAKER_03
01:49:21 - 01:49:28
Instantly. Yeah. When he's Google it though, sometimes not so much. Sometimes not sometimes shit gets a little confogulated.
SPEAKER_04
01:49:28 - 01:49:31
There are, there are really good charities out there that make a difference.
SPEAKER_03
01:49:31 - 01:50:02
Well, the thing is, here's the question, should someone running a charity make a salary? Of course they should. Yes. What should they make a salary relative to what people make in America or the third world country where they're eating? That's when shit gets weird. Because if it's the third world country that they're eating, well, they're going to be bitter as shit. They're working their whole life away and they can't even fucking put a roof over their head and feed themselves normally. So it should be like an American salary. I would imagine. But if it's an American salary for a professional, like what is that? Is it 100 grams? Is it 50 grams? Is it 35 grams? What's the answer?
SPEAKER_01
01:50:04 - 01:50:28
Okay, United Way. Well, this is United Way up to Pika. So I'm just, I'm guessing this is a good example of what United. Okay. I guess different local, but with holds 20%. With holds, what do you mean with holds 20% of what you give? Of what you give. So they only take? So they want a 22% 22%.
SPEAKER_03
01:50:28 - 01:50:33
Okay, just I just googled, what percentage where does United Way charity go? Okay.
SPEAKER_01
01:50:35 - 01:50:39
United Way withholds 22% from 2012. Designations.
SPEAKER_04
01:50:39 - 01:50:46
Yeah, I think they got exposed and they made a change because they ran a special long time ago about.
SPEAKER_03
01:50:46 - 01:51:07
Okay. Here it is. Worldwide United Way claimed combined administrative and fundraising expenses in 2011 of 17% meaning that they spend approximately $17 for every dollar donated on organizational costs. But the other 83 cents go directly towards community projects. That's awesome. That's pretty good. So the United Way is not a good example.
SPEAKER_04
01:51:07 - 01:51:14
They used to be, there was this, they did a whole exposat on them, and it was shocking. I think they changed.
SPEAKER_03
01:51:14 - 01:51:24
Well, I didn't agree with that. What percentage of money goes to charity? Let's just Google that, of money. Like, what's the worst? Yeah. Well, we think the worst.
SPEAKER_04
01:51:24 - 01:51:26
But that ain't that's really good.
SPEAKER_03
01:51:26 - 01:51:32
I mean, if they can, 17%, it wasn't like the general list thing, a brutal one. I don't know. The muscular dystrophy?
SPEAKER_04
01:51:32 - 01:51:33
Yeah, I don't know about that.
SPEAKER_03
01:51:34 - 01:51:40
Okay, what percentage of what's Google that? What is what was that telephone called?
SPEAKER_01
01:51:40 - 01:51:43
Jerry Lewis tell us. Jerry's kids. Jerry's kids.
SPEAKER_03
01:51:43 - 01:51:56
Jerry Lewis. Charity. Tell us on. Okay, guess this. What do you guess? What percentage?
SPEAKER_04
01:51:56 - 01:52:18
Okay, I would say, I don't know. I would say, I would say 80% goes to the kids. America's 50th-worth church worst charities rake in nearly 1 billion for corporate fundraiser Wow, there you go Wow, it was made not necessarily bad if they if they motivate people to get even more money
SPEAKER_03
01:52:19 - 01:52:51
Yeah, well, look, there's a certain amount of money that they would never get, right? If it wasn't for those things. Yeah. Like someone was talking about the ice bucket challenge. The ice bucket challenge is stupid as fuck. But, it's raised every day to those amount of money. Most people are doing it. They're not, they're not even donating money. They're just throwing water in their head. But, but the amount of people that have donated, it's pretty substantial. Yeah. It's millions, millions of dollars, much more than they had last year. ALS sucks. I'm sure. I'm sure. You know, they don't even think that Lou Garig had Lou Garig's disease and that's strange.
SPEAKER_04
01:52:51 - 01:52:52
Why? Because he just got hit.
SPEAKER_03
01:52:52 - 01:53:01
Yeah, I think it's trauma related. He was KOed so many times while playing baseball, sliding into people and shit, playing hard baseball. And played football, I believe. Look this, Joe.
SPEAKER_01
01:53:01 - 01:53:08
Did it be worst charities ranked by money blown on soliciting costs. Number one, kids wish network total raised a $127 million.
SPEAKER_03
01:53:11 - 01:53:38
paid a hundred and nine millions to two point five percent well now pay to solicitors now spent on direct cash a solicitors with that means like advertising right so that means what is paid to solicitors mean well percentage spent on direct cash a it looks like 2.5 percent point nine percent 10.8 used to work for a bank you can't figure this shit out no well what is solicitors mean What is solicitors? What's the definition of solicitor?
SPEAKER_04
01:53:38 - 01:53:44
I would imagine people that are paying, that are selling, that are somehow going out there and raising the money.
SPEAKER_01
01:53:45 - 01:53:51
Oh, yeah, yeah. So this is paid to, like, the spent on getting the money. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
01:53:51 - 01:53:54
So lawyers? No, people who are go out and actually raise the funds.
SPEAKER_03
01:53:54 - 01:54:10
Well, solicitor is a legal practitioner. This is the actual definition. Solicitor is a legal practitioner traditionally deals with any legal matter in court in some jurisdictions. solicitation also means someone who sells. Right. Means solicitating prostitute.
SPEAKER_04
01:54:10 - 01:54:15
But so solicitors are people that are the actual fund raisers though in this context.
SPEAKER_03
01:54:15 - 01:54:19
I believe. But isn't that someone who's buying?
SPEAKER_04
01:54:19 - 01:54:23
No, somebody who's doing the fund raisings are selling, they're essentially going out there. I believe.
SPEAKER_03
01:54:23 - 01:54:28
What happens if you solicit a prostitute though? Doesn't that mean you're, you're trying to stay for the prostitute?
SPEAKER_04
01:54:28 - 01:54:30
Yeah, that's a solicitor, right? So no solicitation.
SPEAKER_01
01:54:30 - 01:54:31
Yeah, like no sign.
SPEAKER_04
01:54:31 - 01:54:35
No trying to sell me anything around here. What does that mean?
SPEAKER_01
01:54:35 - 01:54:45
Like the kids wish network has five employees. It's getting paid. It's paying them. and then they're only paying 2.5% to the actual direct cash aid for this.
SPEAKER_03
01:54:45 - 01:55:00
So only 2.5% of their money. Right. Percentage spent on direct cash aid. Two point five percent. That's insane. What's the other one? Point nine percent for the cancer fund of America. That's insane. Less than one percent. Children's with family.
SPEAKER_04
01:55:00 - 01:55:09
These are all like takeoffs on the other charities and they're all scams. That's so dirty. American breast cancer foundation. Not as easy. Why are fighters charitable foundation?
SPEAKER_03
01:55:09 - 01:55:19
Look at that one. Look at that one. You need a police officer. Union of police associates. Look at that. Less than a half of a half of a percent.
SPEAKER_04
01:55:19 - 01:55:21
Yeah. That's a scam man.
SPEAKER_01
01:55:21 - 01:55:27
Oh wait. There's one that's zero percent. Look at this. Operation lookout National Center for Missing Youth. Zero percent.
SPEAKER_03
01:55:27 - 01:55:36
Wow. That's insane. But how's that work? It says 19.6 million and 16.0. You know what that is? That's like rent and shit.
SPEAKER_04
01:55:36 - 01:55:37
Operation lookout.
SPEAKER_03
01:55:37 - 01:56:00
So the 15 million is paid to out to people the rest is bills Fuck man, we live in a dirty world the world's dirty That's so creepy that there's charities that far off less than a percent We thought, what did I guess? I guess 20. You guessed one. Yeah. There you go.
SPEAKER_04
01:56:00 - 01:56:09
And there's some that are half of a one. There you go. That's why that's why you got to be careful what charities you give to. And I think you know the way they did this thing and they were like how much of your money's actually going there back in the day.
SPEAKER_03
01:56:09 - 01:57:14
I think it was you know how about the charity when they're at the airport and they have the open bucket. Oh, forget. And they want cash. There's a plastic hole in an open bucket and around the bucket is photographs of kids. Yeah. And then it's like something and they have a clipboard. I don't know who you are. Sorry. Yeah, this lady came up to me at the airport once it was super aggressive about it. And I said, get the fuck out of here with that scam. And she goes, fuck you motherfucker. I go, that's what I was hoping for. Yeah. I go, that's what I want to hear. I go, you're involved in a charitable organization, right? She's like, fuck you bitch. I go, you're involved in a charitable organization. You're not going to dip it in that and take, well, you're a reputable person. Fuck you bitch. There you go. She got to hit me. It's pretty close. She had to definitely hit me. That's so great. I was tired man. I just landed, you know, working. And then someone like she was aggressive about it too. It's like she was like, you know, sir, would you please donate to help? You don't bump bump bump bump bump bump bump bump. But I'm looking at her and I'm like, I smell danger all over you. You don't seem like a charitable person. But you could just show up with a clipboard and a bucket and you know, some logo on the bucket and you get people to give you cash just to leave you the fuck alone. Well, especially if you're aggressive.
SPEAKER_04
01:57:14 - 01:57:18
cut down on that because they should. All right, Christian, it's just always come up to it afterwards.
SPEAKER_03
01:57:18 - 01:57:58
Yeah, but they're wackos. You look at him. What's with your heck of a tongue poke and the fuck out of here? Thank you for you, buddy. You're crazy. You're wearing sandals and you're a man. What are you doing? You're not even like a surfer and a saffron road. The whole thing is a mess. You smell weird. Get out. Get out. You smell like curry. Run. You're a mayor. I don't want to be like you. I don't want to be near you. And I don't want to give you any money to support this thing that you're doing. I would tell you a book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book.
SPEAKER_04
01:57:58 - 01:58:01
Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book.
SPEAKER_03
01:58:01 - 01:58:17
Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with your book. Fuck out of here with They're like, what are we doing? Everybody thinks we're stupid. Even Scientologists make fun of them. Everybody, Harry Christ is the bottom end of the cult poll. Yeah, man. Yeah, everybody goofs on them. Duncan can do the whole chant.
SPEAKER_04
01:58:17 - 01:58:18
vegetarian?
SPEAKER_03
01:58:18 - 01:58:35
Was he a very Christian? No, but he just, he's really like involved in studying religions and studying them whole life. He can do long Buddhist chance, but long, hard Christian, a chance. Yeah, he does all that shit. Yeah. He can do it like, and it sounds like like one of those monks in those hollow echoing masters.
SPEAKER_04
01:58:35 - 01:58:45
I'm honest, there's so much about Zen Buddhism and Buddhism and I've had every book I could get my hands on Buddhism and I was just like this is the answer, you know, maybe it is, but I just somehow got too busy.
SPEAKER_03
01:58:47 - 01:59:28
I don't think there's any answer because in the end everybody dies. There's no answer. This is what it is. How much are you enjoying this and how much are you enjoying being around others who are enjoying it and helping each other out and having a good time? Because other than that, what else is there? Is there a deep meaning if everything is temporary? It doesn't seem like it could be. It seems like you're a part of some sort of weird evolutionary process that will go on as long as life is allowed to exist on this planet, which is very finite. The planet itself only has 1.6 billion years of life left. Do you think though that if it goes more than that, the sun's going to burst, the sun runs out of juice,
SPEAKER_04
01:59:29 - 01:59:40
But do you think that there is some, there is a, either movement, toward each other or a movement toward something or do you think it's all random? It's hard question.
SPEAKER_03
01:59:40 - 01:59:44
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, it might, it might not be.
SPEAKER_04
01:59:44 - 01:59:46
What about human progress? You think we've been progressing?
SPEAKER_03
01:59:47 - 02:01:10
Yes, yeah, we're definitely we win when there's steps back like when we talk about like people being PC and all that stuff. I think it's terrible, but it's way better than being racist. It's way better than the PC shit is way better than segregated where the blacks have to sit in the back of the bus and use a different water cooler. You know, this this way better. So that to me is clear example, but then there's also drones and spying and crazy shit and people are still getting locked up. Always be a child crazy, drug laws, and then there's private prisons, as corporate interests, and there's fucking this Goldman Sachs thing that came out with the tapes that are now being released of the Fed in coercion with Goldman Sachs. I mean, all the different shit that's going on, you see that still is still corruption. They're still evil. It's still just, misdirected energy, incorrect patterns of behavior that have led to people to operate in the same type of momentum that the fucking knucklehead traders before them have done and the fucking military industrial complex guys from the 60s did. It's all the same kind of, that energy hasn't been flushed out of the system yet, but it seems like it's slowly getting pushed into a corner. Or at least it's harder to hide. She with the fuckers going on in Hong Kong? Yeah. Dude, Brian, pull up the photos. There's a drone video of the protest in Hong Kong.
SPEAKER_04
02:01:10 - 02:01:17
Holy shit. Yeah, it's an island of 7 million that actually want to be able to choose who governs them. Can you imagine that?
SPEAKER_03
02:01:17 - 02:01:21
Dude, there's a lot of fucking people. A lot of people.
SPEAKER_04
02:01:21 - 02:01:29
They're also border. There's also 1.3 billion people on their border. And they don't feel, they don't want to be part of China, the mainland.
SPEAKER_03
02:01:29 - 02:02:07
Well, they used to not be until fairly recently. I used to be controlled by the United Kingdom, right? Look at this fucking video though. It's gonna freak you out because they're flying over. By the way, it's amazing that they can do that now. You could just like a regular person can get a drone. We did that sci-fi show dude. I put on these goggles like these VR goggles and they put a camera on this drone and then flew the drone over the tree tops. And I was like watching from the drones perspective. I was like, oh my, we couldn't put it in the episode because we didn't have enough time. But I was like, I'm flying. It was amazing. So sick. That's amazing.
SPEAKER_04
02:02:07 - 02:02:08
That's a camera to an eagle.
SPEAKER_03
02:02:09 - 02:02:59
But I'm telling you, it felt like I was flying. Really? Like when I had these VR goggles on. I had VR goggles on. This thing is flying through trees and stuff. And you're watching, like, whoa! How much would that cost to buy? Probably a lot. And they don't go very far. Like after a mile, it doesn't transmit, like the signal, whatever type of signal it is. So why? I just see this. This is the crowd. And this is them filming this by drone. Do they they've shut down the city? This is incredible look at that look at that That's a million people right at least I don't know. I don't know what my box like There's like I think there are 7 million that's like 300 people bro Crazy that's like a Nick's comedy stop and the fact that's It's like a Joe Rogan come get that look how many
SPEAKER_01
02:03:01 - 02:03:03
It's like ants on rice noodle.
SPEAKER_03
02:03:03 - 02:03:07
And what year were would they United Kingdom? It was until like the night.
SPEAKER_04
02:03:07 - 02:03:21
I think the least one of the leech ran out in, gosh, 1999, 2001, 1997, where was it? I think it was 1997, maybe? Hmm, where's it later?
SPEAKER_03
02:03:21 - 02:03:27
They're bracing both sides brace for Wednesday's showdown. Oh fuck, are they gonna go World War III in Hong Kong too?
SPEAKER_04
02:03:28 - 02:03:56
Well, I don't think nobody wants that. They don't want the people's liberation army and the, you know, coming in to people's liberation army and the people they're calling. I think it, yeah, that's what the Chinese, I think that's what the Chinese call them. But they don't want the, they don't want the Chinese military to come in and get unpleasant. That's for damn sure. So they're asking for the, the, the, what I believe is name, they call them the chairman. The person that was put in power by China to step down and they want elections to vote in their own.
SPEAKER_03
02:03:57 - 02:04:00
And China is saying, hey, we're kind of running your country.
SPEAKER_04
02:04:02 - 02:04:32
Well, you know, it's for China considered a country or is it considered a province in part of China, mainland China. And I think that for the longest time, remember that Hong Kong was the sort of the financial capital of that part of the world. But Shanghai now has taken over and a lot of other cities have taken over as the richer. And so it's a complicated thing. A lot of mainland Chinese come in and vacation in Hong Kong. So they're pretty dependent on each other.
SPEAKER_03
02:04:32 - 02:04:56
Look at this photo of his kid shining his fucking flashlights. They're all shining the lights from their cell phones. It's really creepy. It's on USA to do that. USA today's coverage. It's one of the larger photographs. There's hundreds of kids. There's millions of kids and they all decided to turn their cell phone lights on. And they're holding them up in solidarity. And it's kind of symbolic.
SPEAKER_04
02:04:57 - 02:05:18
Well, China also apparently, the government of China is really worried, is really worried that if they don't handle this, yeah, if they don't handle this properly, there are a lot of cities in China that could do the same thing, and asking for changes in how the country's governed. So China's being very, very cautious about how they treat this particular.
SPEAKER_03
02:05:18 - 02:05:20
Yeah, they could fuck this up, but this is everything.
SPEAKER_04
02:05:20 - 02:05:32
Yes, because if it gets too successful, it's not, it does. That fucking picture. There's a lot of unrest in China. Not just Hong Kong.
SPEAKER_03
02:05:32 - 02:05:36
Well, when did Hong Kong become a part of China?
SPEAKER_04
02:05:36 - 02:05:38
I think it was during the opium trade, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_01
02:05:38 - 02:05:39
It sold it back to 1997. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
02:05:39 - 02:05:46
And it was in the end. And next by the British, I think 100 years before that. So it hasn't even been 20 years.
SPEAKER_03
02:05:50 - 02:06:16
Right, so they're just still trying to work it out. I mean think about 20 years ago. Was that like Clinton days? Yeah 97 those Clinton right? Yeah 97 Clint was president imagine that like if Clinton like Leaves and then also trying to take over the US and we're like what? Yeah, like that's kind of the same sort of thing if they were under rule of the United Kingdom That's really similar to like the being America or Canada Absolutely, it is also really hard for the for for first
SPEAKER_04
02:06:16 - 02:06:53
And also, remember in Hong Kong, they speak Cantonese. They don't speak Mandarin. Most of mainland China is mostly Mandarin. And they speak a very different language in Hong Kong. They speak mostly, they do speak Mandarin, but they also mainly speak Cantonese. Very, very different form of Chinese. And it was a capitalist system, a very wealthy area. And the big fear was that when the poet viewer in China took over that they would impose communist market laws and things like that. But I think they kind of left them alone. for a while and then and now Hong Kong's economy is very tied up with mainland China's economy.
SPEAKER_03
02:06:53 - 02:07:06
What a mess. It's just weird when you see a situation like that where you know something is going to happen. And we're watching it from afar from way the fuck over here in California and we're like, what is going to happen over there?
SPEAKER_04
02:07:06 - 02:07:18
Well, the question is, is China going to allow them to behave like a separate and independent province because they are not, according to China and a Chinese law. That's the issue. So then what do you do? What do you do?
SPEAKER_03
02:07:18 - 02:08:14
Well, then you got to realize that the people in the military themselves, other than the few people that are running it, there's going to be a certain point in time where if there's riots everywhere, if the entire country goes topsy-turvy over this, if they all start emulating what's going on in Hong Kong, there's a, not enough soldiers to cover them all because there's a billion goddamn people and b, It would be soldiers turning their guns on their own people. These are regular folks, just like the soldiers in America. It's one of the weirdest things about people that don't want to support the troops, like the idea that, you know, I don't support war, so I don't want to support the troops. Troops are just people. And they might be the only thing, and their love of regular people might be the only thing that protects a really tyrannical government. from turning their guns on the people themselves, because they can't do that if the people holding the guns refuse. Somewhere down the chain, I mean, where they say no, they say no in general.
SPEAKER_04
02:08:14 - 02:08:47
I mean, they say the Germans lost the election to Thomas Jefferson because he had a standing army. And one of the things that, you know, the founding fathers warned against was a standing army. Why? Because a standing army can be hijacked by a charismatic dictator and then there they're they can stage a coup so that was always that was oh didn't sit well for a long time with Americans especially with the way this country was founded the idea of the standing army had always been abused exactly that's why we feel it's okay to go after someone if they have their own army that's right like the wake-o gun
SPEAKER_03
02:08:48 - 02:09:23
Like the wake-o guy, David Crash, he got very little sympathy in this country. Even though they essentially went in and fire-bombed these people, killed kids, shot people down, there was fucking very clear images of Sherman tanks blowing fire into these fucking buildings. But we knew they had guns. That's the only thing we knew. We knew that we heard that he fucked kids. That was the thing, right? But by the way, that is exactly what I would say if I was going to fucking run some tanks into some dude's house. That guy's in there fucking kids. We got to go kill those kids. Yeah, anyway, it was a team.
SPEAKER_04
02:09:23 - 02:09:28
Yeah, it was also, you know, basically about the fact that he had all this sort of a weapon and arsenal.
SPEAKER_03
02:09:28 - 02:09:36
But we think about the ultimate irony. We're going to save those kids by killing them all. Yeah. I mean, they killed everybody. I think they let some kids out at one point in time.
SPEAKER_04
02:09:36 - 02:09:39
Yeah, some of them got out, but a lot of them got burned. Oh, and it was terrible.
SPEAKER_03
02:09:39 - 02:09:49
They were documentary about it. That was the jaw-dropping. Well, the documentary was highlighting the use of force. And that was like one of the first times we saw like real military force being used on civilians.
SPEAKER_04
02:09:50 - 02:09:57
And the good news is that you, you know, a lot of people there was documentary made out of it and a lot of people were pretty outraged by it, but yeah. Maybe not enough.
SPEAKER_03
02:09:57 - 02:10:19
Hicks had a whole bit on it. Hicks had a whole bit on it. It was, it was pretty fucking crazy. It was just most people didn't see it because there was no fucking internet back then. It wasn't like today. If they did some wake-o shit today and we saw them driving over buildings and blowing fire into these buildings, pull up the video of wake-o, pull up the video. What are you doing? You checking your Facebook, you fuck.
SPEAKER_04
02:10:19 - 02:10:25
Look at those, look at what happened with Ferguson. This black kid was shot. I mean, the whole town went crazy.
SPEAKER_03
02:10:25 - 02:10:29
Things are different. It's different. It's not that easy to just get away with shit anymore.
SPEAKER_04
02:10:29 - 02:10:37
I also think though, like, I was thinking about Russia and how outdated, like they're calling the rubble, the currency, the rubble now because it's just like, it's just not worth anything.
SPEAKER_02
02:10:38 - 02:10:40
That's very clever. It's very clever.
SPEAKER_04
02:10:40 - 02:10:53
Like the play on the wood. But it's a it's a one crop economy. So Russia the motto is basically might make right all the guys with guns control everything guess what? So now you got you got commodities you got oil that you export and I get some weapon right now.
SPEAKER_03
02:10:53 - 02:11:22
Look at this This is crazy. This is in the 1990s. This is a goddamn tank tearing apart a house. This is a tank in America going into this quote unquote cult. And because they had gotten into a firefight with these people, because the ATF shot at them. The ATF, they were like, on the roofs and shit. It's a really crazy documentary. One of the guys, the ATF guy inside was shooting out the door at ATF people outside.
SPEAKER_04
02:11:22 - 02:11:28
And they were making, they were blasting, I guess, music and stuff to make him crazy in noise.
SPEAKER_03
02:11:28 - 02:11:32
What did they do that with these guys, too? Yeah. That's a common tactic.
SPEAKER_01
02:11:32 - 02:11:36
Why is the music that I was seeing if that was the music? I hope that's not the music.
SPEAKER_02
02:11:36 - 02:11:38
Is it?
SPEAKER_03
02:11:38 - 02:11:39
Is that really?
SPEAKER_01
02:11:40 - 02:11:41
That's the music that goes with the video.
SPEAKER_03
02:11:41 - 02:12:17
That's gonna get us pulled over YouTube. That's the music is. This is ridiculous. I mean, to see tanks being used on civilians, helicopters and shit. But okay, but then if you look at it from the other hand, Like this, it buzzin' nanos. Jesus. How fast I think. As you look at it from the other side, if you've got a group of people that are in this house and they're shooting at federal agents, what do you do? Do you do this? Do you do this? Do you wait them out? Wait for them to start out. You don't set them off fire, that's what you don't do that.
SPEAKER_04
02:12:17 - 02:12:30
So when kids are in there? So what do you do? So the question was, I think the idea was floated that they started to fire themselves within the compound and the ATF did not. Yeah, but that's not true.
SPEAKER_03
02:12:30 - 02:12:34
Well, that's not true. They did they did this shit with with tanks.
SPEAKER_04
02:12:34 - 02:12:38
Well, the aerial view of the tanks is to suggest something different. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03
02:12:38 - 02:12:40
What is the aerial view of the tanks? That's Dr. Fox News.
SPEAKER_04
02:12:40 - 02:12:44
Well, it's just a fact that you're using flamethrower.
SPEAKER_03
02:12:44 - 02:12:53
They'd use flamethrower, dude. Okay, let's google use of flamethrower. I thought that was pretty established. Use of flamethrowers and wakers.
SPEAKER_04
02:12:53 - 02:13:04
Well, from the documentary, they said, you know, the big question was, was it started inside the compound? Was the fire started by the wake of cold members or by the ATF?
SPEAKER_03
02:13:05 - 02:13:30
Hidden Waco footage tanks used flamethrowers and there's a link and you can go to the YouTube video and the YouTube video is unavailable. Interesting. Proves its bullshit. Waco tank flamethrower on YouTube. This sounds like some cam trail shirt. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
02:13:30 - 02:13:32
Each picture is collapsing these things.
SPEAKER_04
02:13:32 - 02:13:34
It's a thing when you read when the internet you don't know.
SPEAKER_00
02:13:34 - 02:13:47
The dollar and footage proves beyond any doubt that the tanks intentionally set the house on fire. It proves that the branch divisions warm murder. Watch carefully as the tank backs out of the house.
SPEAKER_03
02:13:47 - 02:14:08
Watch carefully as the tank backs out of the house. Oh, that is true. Google Waco Tank Flamethrower. This is pretty fucked up, Brian. I think it's gonna turn you over. You're gonna be working for CNN. I know you guys. You're going to be intent to your second pocket. Fox News is going to fucking fire you. Yeah. You're going to go dark on this one. You're going to go left wing.
SPEAKER_04
02:14:08 - 02:14:10
Oh, I know. I got my deer tags, my friend.
SPEAKER_03
02:14:10 - 02:14:12
I got my deer tags too. Here, watch this.
SPEAKER_00
02:14:12 - 02:14:14
And a third hole is made at the front door.
SPEAKER_03
02:14:14 - 02:14:17
Go towards like with the E is an experience.
SPEAKER_00
02:14:17 - 02:14:20
Each picture is collapsing the inside stairwell.
SPEAKER_03
02:14:20 - 02:14:21
Okay. Here. It's good. Keep going.
SPEAKER_00
02:14:21 - 02:14:52
The following footage proves beyond any doubt that the tanks intentionally set the house on fire. It proves that the branched a video's warm murdered Watch carefully as the tank backs out of the house. You can see that this tank has a gas jet on the front that shoots fire. You can also see the fire quite plainly. That's true. The tank goes into the house twice and each time as it backs out, the fire at the gas jet is plainly visible.
SPEAKER_03
02:14:52 - 02:15:01
Dude, they let that house on fire. Where are you at now Fox News? What do you think, man? I think they lit that house on fire.
SPEAKER_04
02:15:01 - 02:15:16
I don't like Fox News. I'll tell you that much. I don't know. I believe, I believe that they set that house on fire. I don't have any doubt. You got those guys geared up. They got shot at. Some of the guys got shot. They got men are men. They're going to be vindictive. They're going to do whatever they want.
SPEAKER_03
02:15:16 - 02:15:45
Well, they're also soldiers. And they've given them the beginning enemy. You know, that old expression. If you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Yeah. I don't have any doubt about it. Okay, but here's the question. What do you do? If you know that there's a group that's holed up and they have a bunch of weapons, I'm not saying he set the place on fire and kill the kids, but I'm saying what? How do you handle that? How do you, you got a guy who's shooting in federal agents allegedly? There is that the reality that agents are being brought in to agents accidentally shot at themselves. That is a fact.
SPEAKER_04
02:15:45 - 02:16:19
You can also hear the guy say, I have a right to defend myself as they're breaking in, he shoots. So a lot of it was, he was in his home, people were coming in, he didn't know who was coming into his house, they had guns, you know, you can make an argument for a lot of this stuff. So, oh yeah. What do you do and that situation? What do you do? I suppose the first thing you should think about is there are two things. One is our children being abused, two is does he have illegal weapon and a illegal arsenal. So if those are the two cases, you get a search warrant. They try to get in, they were denied access. The rest is a standoff. I don't know, that comes out of police tactics.
SPEAKER_03
02:16:20 - 02:16:51
Right? Yeah. I mean, do you think that someone should be allowed to have a place like that? Like, if you believe that people should be allowed to have guns? Like, I have friends who have many guns. My friend Justin, it's like a legit bonafad gun nut. You don't even know how many guns he has. Now, what if Justin got together with 50 of his friends and they're all like him and they rented a big fucking piece of land or they bought a big piece of land together put a few houses up and then put a fence around it.
SPEAKER_04
02:16:51 - 02:16:52
I think I'll find one with that
SPEAKER_03
02:16:52 - 02:16:52
Right.
SPEAKER_04
02:16:52 - 02:16:56
Because I believe in the freedom of assembly.
SPEAKER_03
02:16:56 - 02:17:01
Right. But what is that? You got a highly armed compound of a bunch of gun nuts.
SPEAKER_04
02:17:01 - 02:17:24
It's still false within the confines of the law. Right. If they have fully automatic machine guns, turret guns and rockets, you're going to go, hold on. Do you guys have a license for those? And there are a whole lot of measures. And then you have to take steps to make sure that you don't have and army with a bunch of illegal weapons. There's a reason there are some weapons that are nothing's illegal if you have a license for it.
SPEAKER_03
02:17:24 - 02:17:47
Right, do you know the thing thing that Koresh shot himself? Or was shot by his people? Really? Yeah, they think he was shot before he... Yeah, Koresh and about two dozen others shot themselves to death or were shot before the fire and Gulf the entire compound. Others died in the fire or the rubble of the collapsing building. Jesus. Whoa, that's dark.
SPEAKER_01
02:17:47 - 02:17:48
That's the shooter.
SPEAKER_03
02:17:48 - 02:17:57
Yeah. It's, I mean, they were fucking armed to the tits. God, this is crazy. Watch this. Some look. Dude shooting through the wall.
02:17:57 - 02:17:58
They shot each other.
SPEAKER_03
02:18:23 - 02:18:46
So the agents went in They shot through the walls and shot their own agents Fucking amen 16. Four dead. That's a blood dead right there.
SPEAKER_04
02:18:46 - 02:19:00
You know what those guys good luck. Yeah, now you're in a war you want to mess around with those kind of guys who gear up are already tough Yeah, and that's their job and you and you killed four their friends I want to get I wouldn't be too sympathetic either at that point right one of those guys right, but Devil's advocate.
SPEAKER_03
02:19:00 - 02:19:46
This is not my my feelings on this. I don't have formed feelings on this but those guys broken these people's houses for what reason apparently he was in violation I think of two things weapons illegal weapons cashiers or whatever and also I think there was a warrant for the fact that he was having sex with underage girls child in danger yeah child in danger which is kind of legit if he's run a cult I mean my friend used to date this chick who grew up in a cult she in he said that she'd tell him horrible fucking story that's why a lot of guys start cult so they can get pussy yeah well didn't crash like how to deal where he could bang everybody's wife But if you were smart. Yeah. That was his thing. His thing is he could bang everybody's one.
SPEAKER_04
02:19:46 - 02:19:51
You could be in my you can be in my cult. Here's the only catch twenty two. Don't they always do that though?
SPEAKER_03
02:19:51 - 02:19:53
Everybody Jim Jones probably banged everybody's one.
SPEAKER_04
02:19:53 - 02:19:58
And we're all we're all one people. We're all. It's all about love and the out for mail.
SPEAKER_03
02:19:58 - 02:20:01
I don't know what that's what you saying. I think he was saying he's God.
SPEAKER_04
02:20:01 - 02:20:02
All right. Well, there's also that.
SPEAKER_03
02:20:03 - 02:20:55
They all look the same like him the Australian Jesus you can put them side by side and they're like interchangeable Did these we that's great Russell Yeah, doesn't look too too wild Australian Jesus so lame. He's just like I'm Jesus Well, no, he's lame or the lame because he's told two different chicks that they're married like his game as he tells a chick that you're married that I'm Jesus you're married like oh get the fuck out of dumb and superstition She's my type. The documentary is he's not dumb. He's pretty clever. But the poor girl. He has this girl that's convinced that she's married and she's crying and she's crying and she's talking about remembering him being on the cross. It's fucking madness. And then afterwards he's being interviewed by the guy and the guy was interviewed and was pretty slick. And he's like, didn't you tell another girl that she was married? He's like, yes, but I was wrong.
SPEAKER_04
02:20:56 - 02:21:05
See what I mean he plays shittiest excuse like the shittiest way bro, I would have so much of a better way I can lie right now and come up with a better idea.
SPEAKER_03
02:21:05 - 02:21:21
Yes, but I was wrong, but it's even better than that he plays green day He's seen there. He's playing a green day song. He's incredible like you telling me that the Australian Jesus would be really in the green day Yeah, like I just kind of think there's got to be a better song for him
SPEAKER_04
02:21:22 - 02:21:24
I don't know. He's got like six followers.
SPEAKER_03
02:21:24 - 02:21:43
No, he's got quite a few really devoted. It's in Queen's land. No, no, no, he's got a crying and so he's got a giant compound and it's getting bigger. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of people are very worried about him. Really? Yes. Yes. I mean, he's a legit cult leader. Wow. I mean, he really has, I mean, it's an enormous, I just feel like it's a huge magnet for the dummies.
SPEAKER_04
02:21:43 - 02:21:53
Oh, it's a society. So there's a lot of it. It's like, it's like kind of like fly paper or just get all the, it just sucks all the really dumb Mm-hmm people in one area. That's fine.
SPEAKER_03
02:21:53 - 02:23:00
No, it's not. It's not because then they can take over. See, the thing about having a really big group of dumb people is a big group of people that are so dumb, they don't even know they're dumb. So there's no leaders. They're a giant group of retarded followers. Yeah, and their chase after a guy who's a fake Jesus who likes green day. I mean, this is like The numbers that a guy like that can draw, the reason why it's fucked up is because if you look at the whole population, let's just go with America because I don't know how big Australia is, but if America is 300 million people, what percent do you think are just so fucking dumb, they almost can't think things through for themselves? I'd say it's 1%. That's all you need. If you have 1% in America, you have 3.5 million dummies. That is a staggering number of dummies. If you really laid it out like that, if it's truly one out of 100, which is probably being super generous to the human race. But if it really is one out of 100, that's 3.5 million in this country alone. You don't need that many to start a good cult. Shit.
SPEAKER_04
02:23:01 - 02:23:09
Yeah, but what is that cult doing? Alright, aren't they just kind of living the gospel and suckin' as Jesus like dead? Right, there's a lot of sex.
SPEAKER_03
02:23:09 - 02:23:12
He's got a lot going on, man. He's got a big ass place.
SPEAKER_04
02:23:12 - 02:23:13
How big is it?
SPEAKER_03
02:23:14 - 02:23:28
Um, he used to be an Australian, uh, IT specialist. But they're in Queensland. I mean, it's not like Queensland is, you know, he's got a big spot dude. He's got a specter on his egg news. But whatever, I think he has like 600 acres or something up there.
SPEAKER_04
02:23:28 - 02:23:35
That's where they find the monster great whites. That's where they find great whites that are 22 feet that have a bite out of them from a bigger great white.
SPEAKER_03
02:23:35 - 02:23:38
Oh, 600 acres or something like that.
SPEAKER_04
02:23:38 - 02:23:43
There's a crash. Let's see. They always have good hair. Look at Dunkin' Trouble. Crashes actually. Good looking guy.
SPEAKER_03
02:23:45 - 02:23:59
Yeah, crush was in battle again. No. Great hair. Scruff. But they look similar if you look at him and then pull up the Australian Jesus. No, not Charlie Manson. The Australian Jesus. That guy looks very similar.
SPEAKER_04
02:23:59 - 02:24:03
I'm going to cut my hair for our hunting trip dude. I'm looking at your head.
SPEAKER_03
02:24:03 - 02:24:07
You're going to go crazy. Bring it down. Bring it down. You're going to do it. I'm going to do it.
SPEAKER_04
02:24:07 - 02:24:13
Yeah. Yeah, we're going. What time are we going tomorrow? Let's not. I'm going to start a podcast. Sorry about all that personal stuff.
SPEAKER_03
02:24:14 - 02:24:43
this guy um yeah he has 600 plus acres chilling cult transgress whatever that's a lot of fun in Queensland but he looks so much look at him Brian oh he looks so much like caresh oh he's handsome he's got sharp features maybe it is caresh but look at them maybe caresh escaped they both got that weird beard where they can't grow a man's beard so they grow this fucking yes caresh might have gotten his nose sharpened could be him and his hair straightened I think that's caresh
SPEAKER_05
02:24:45 - 02:24:46
It's stuck in trouble.
SPEAKER_03
02:24:46 - 02:24:52
It's stuck in trouble. It's stuck in trouble. It's stuck in trouble. It's stuck in trouble. It's stuck in trouble.
SPEAKER_01
02:24:52 - 02:24:55
It's stuck in trouble. It's stuck in trouble.
SPEAKER_03
02:25:04 - 02:25:20
Remember when he did that show for the, uh, heading. Yeah, for which guy? Anton Levasson. Yeah. That was great. So where Hank third Hank Williams Jr. Danzig Jr. Jr. Jr. Hank III played there. Yeah. Yeah, I was just all crazy chaos, man.
SPEAKER_04
02:25:20 - 02:25:22
Who's your favorite frontman all the time?
SPEAKER_03
02:25:22 - 02:25:32
For what? Rock band? Yep. I don't know. I never thought about it. What do we in high school? Who's your favorite? Who do you think is the greatest? Who's yours? You must have one. Otherwise you wouldn't have to.
SPEAKER_04
02:25:32 - 02:25:36
Either Robert Planner, Freddie Mercury, but I'm not sure. I'm toss up between the two.
SPEAKER_03
02:25:36 - 02:25:48
Yeah, Robert Planner's right up there. Yeah. Nobody had pretty much markers right up there too though. Make Jaggers up there, but the problem with the stones and no one's gonna like to hear this. They don't write. They had a lot of shitty songs.
SPEAKER_04
02:25:48 - 02:25:50
And they have to make the song. Well, in forever.
SPEAKER_03
02:25:51 - 02:26:13
But they had some fucking monsters. They had a few monsters, but when you pick up their albums, like there's a bunch of Zeppelin songs that no one talks about that are fucking phenomenal. You know, you listen to them, you're like, oh, I forgot about this. You know, this is still a beautiful, and then you have some stone song. You're like, what is this? Oh, shut this fucking thing off.
SPEAKER_04
02:26:13 - 02:26:16
I think I think Zeppelin is the number one band.
SPEAKER_03
02:26:16 - 02:26:19
Yeah, but didn't zeppelin steal a lot, 13 songs.
SPEAKER_04
02:26:19 - 02:26:34
They didn't credit, they didn't credit. Either old-time folk songs or blues or musicians that were their influence. Yeah. I mean, days and confused and certain songs were, I mean, if you hear a direct rip off and never credit anymore.
SPEAKER_03
02:26:34 - 02:26:44
We played that. Didn't we? Didn't we play the both of them back and back? Yeah. There was a video that had all the old blues songs, like the lyrics from them, and then there were a lot of
SPEAKER_04
02:26:46 - 02:26:48
I mean, and a lot better.
SPEAKER_03
02:26:48 - 02:26:51
It just seems like those guys should have got something if they were still alive.
SPEAKER_04
02:26:51 - 02:27:01
And they did, they went back and they, um, there was some, it's had a lot of court, but, you know, did they Fox News? It's not. I call any Fox News, I hate Fox News.
SPEAKER_03
02:27:01 - 02:27:04
I'm really mad at Fox News. You'd work for them. I would be like that.
SPEAKER_04
02:27:04 - 02:27:11
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I just be fair man.
SPEAKER_03
02:27:11 - 02:27:13
What if they made you wear a dress like those high girls?
SPEAKER_04
02:27:13 - 02:27:24
You not? I don't think they're fair. You don't think they're fair? No. I don't think that they they I don't like any of my news from an ideological point of view. I'd rather get BBC. I listen to BBC.
SPEAKER_03
02:27:25 - 02:27:33
Do you think it's possible to have a news channel on television that's undefined? It doesn't slant left. It doesn't slant right.
SPEAKER_04
02:27:33 - 02:27:42
That at least was the model and that was I think to BBC in a lot of ways comes very close to it. Maybe I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_03
02:27:42 - 02:27:44
Yeah, but not there. I'm talking about here in good old US.
SPEAKER_04
02:27:44 - 02:28:04
Yeah, I think it is. I think it is in fact one of the things that the guy who's the guy who who ran 60 minutes came in and said good news and bad news good news is we got the highest rating of any new show ever bad news is we got the highest rating of any new show ever in other words just just turned into a show that's dependent on ratings. Yeah, that's why we're all gonna get paid a lot more money
SPEAKER_03
02:28:04 - 02:28:13
Well, that's the infinite growth paradigm, right? It exists in corporations, and it also exists on shows. Yeah, man. They want the ratings to go up. The ratings are up, up, up, up.
SPEAKER_02
02:28:13 - 02:28:13
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03
02:28:13 - 02:28:17
So when you're under the percent of them, when you're all American, when you see shit, it's going to pop show.
SPEAKER_01
02:28:17 - 02:28:21
That's him being a Fox show. Yeah, you're on Fox. Yeah, I did it.
SPEAKER_04
02:28:26 - 02:28:30
That was a morning show to promote my stand.
SPEAKER_03
02:28:30 - 02:28:53
That's not the same. That's not real Fox Fox. That's Emmett. Those medical shows are the weirdest fucking form of showbook. Those local morning shows and strange markets. These local shows are the weirdest form of show business ever. Yeah. Some of them are great. And some of them are so bad. You can't believe this isn't a school play. I am on a school play with cameras on it.
SPEAKER_04
02:28:53 - 02:28:58
A lot of them are just so bubbly and it's just strange, man.
SPEAKER_03
02:28:58 - 02:29:35
Just fake, dude. And some of them are so bad. I went on one, won't name the name. Immediately, guys, first question was, what was it like when Phil Hartman was killed? And I just sort of, I sort of blank face them. I go as terrible. Like one more answer. Like I'm gonna give you a one word answer for that. I'm not gonna elaborate and expand, but that's his opening question. Like you saw that video where Mike Tyson was talking to the guy in Canada and the fucking opening statement that guy says, is this gonna hurt the mayor because you were, you went to jail for rape? You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted.
SPEAKER_04
02:29:35 - 02:29:37
You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted.
SPEAKER_03
02:29:37 - 02:29:38
You're convicted. You're convicted.
SPEAKER_04
02:29:38 - 02:29:39
You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted.
SPEAKER_03
02:29:39 - 02:29:43
You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted.
SPEAKER_04
02:29:43 - 02:29:45
You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're convicted. You're
SPEAKER_03
02:29:45 - 02:30:38
the end of the right way of peace to shit, so it was more stressful as dealing with a piece of shit, like you thought will be a positive here, but you'll be even your piece of shit Yeah, that dude was terrified. He looked into the eyes of death. Yeah man. And Tyson didn't even fucking, his heart didn't even skip a beat. There wasn't like an extra beat to it. Everything stayed nice and calm. He's probably wondering whether the nice should beat the show this guy on the air. He's already cussing him down. He's not going to beat him up, but it's probably there floating around. I think he just launched himself on this guy and just smashed his face in. It feels so good for those brief seconds. How much time we have to do? Too much, not worth it. Don't do it. I make a more famous. Yeah, you know, he would go to jail for sure. He imagine like well, he'd been Canada if you could get across the border real quick. I thought we'd extra died him. It's true actually. Especially if the guy really did If the guy moved at all and some sort of a threatening way Call them a convicted rapist.
SPEAKER_04
02:30:38 - 02:31:07
If you get the guy to raise his hands up and like just anything where it looks like the guy I did I did what I did one of those things and after I done hangover two and they asked me about the experience I started talking about the lady boys and how you know and there it's a family show and I start saying look I mean I'm a straight man but those lady boys look very female Man that they get nervous. They change the subject and okay, well, that's what you're not gonna go there. Well, that's the prime camera. Be it such and such, tonight and tomorrow. You guys shut me down real quick.
SPEAKER_03
02:31:07 - 02:31:31
They live in a world of no fun. It's really fun. Everything has to be like formal. All right. Let's go over here to the board and take a look at the weather. Well, we've got here's a cold front moving in. That same guy has to do everything. That same guy has to do it. Tom Cruise in a bit of a blow-up with Matt Lauer. We'll tell you about it when we get back. Like who are you? I know.
SPEAKER_04
02:31:31 - 02:31:37
You don't exist in nature. It's a strange thing. Guys, you just talk as though everything is just fantastic.
SPEAKER_03
02:31:37 - 02:31:59
There's certain people that you know shouldn't exist in nature and they offend you. They're offensive. And that's something about that. They're like, okay, I'll let you read the news. I'll let you, I'll let you be the robot. But if you fucking try to give your opinion as that robot, well, you know, these days are different than when we were kids. And a guy like Ray Rice, she just know better.
SPEAKER_04
02:32:00 - 02:32:55
Okay, what do you just you just talked about it some important shit some weird fucking fake voice I was just talking about that about why I have a visceral kind of reaction to that kind of shit and I wonder if it's maybe because Historically those kind of dudes cockbox people Well, they were also a liability, right? Fuck you. Like you need somebody you can rely on when you go hunt for food or you gotta go to battle or whatever it might be, which was mankind's history. I wonder if those kinds of people were always people you basically, because when they talk that way, they're not talking to you. And you go, yeah, you don't trust you. You're not being real with me, so I can't rely on you. I think that's what it is. I do that's what happens to me. Even when I see you guys dressed, Super cool like there's a lot of time spent on He's watching himself. Mm-hmm. I go oh boy. I don't know man. That looks good on you, but I'm just having a problem with that necklace and that hat.
SPEAKER_03
02:32:55 - 02:32:59
You have too many rings on. You got too many rings on me. I really talked to you.
SPEAKER_04
02:32:59 - 02:33:04
We're like six rings. I can't talk to you. I can't ultimately be friends with you. That's my problem.
SPEAKER_03
02:33:04 - 02:34:18
That character you can't trust. Like that's Dr. Smith from Lost in Space, right? You can never count on Dr. Smith. Oh, He would give you up. He would give you up to the aliens, right? The aliens were going to kill him. I'll tell you what they are. I'll tell you what they are. You're like Doctor Smith, you fuck. And the dad who was always like rock-solid with a square jaw, kept letting Doctor Smith in to sell you a little homo. I'll let him back in. Dr. Smith was clearly gay. Never wanted to have anything to do with the wife. Was not, I mean, he was alone with no women. He never, never, never flirted with her. Never imagined what it would be like. He never said to him, you're married. There's no women out here in space. You got the best woman on earth. There's nothing weird or creepy happened. Yeah. He was clearly an untrustworthy gay man. And probably one of the most homophobic characters ever because he was so weak. He wasn't he mean first of all. He always watched the kids like the guy was always watching the kids while the the dad who was the fucking astronaut super here was fucking saving the planet. He was a hand. He was sort of a hand. Yeah, he was a hand and he was weak. He was so weak. He was clearly gay. He told. Oh dear Will. He was just so weak.
SPEAKER_02
02:34:18 - 02:34:18
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03
02:34:19 - 02:34:37
and clearly gay. Like it was such a homophobic character. But that was the only way anybody would ever accept a character like that on television. Yeah. He had to have it. He had to be feminized. Yeah. Like if he was in that position and he couldn't be trusted, but he was very masculine and, and, and, and, you know, if he was a masculine, he'd be banging the astronauts' white.
SPEAKER_04
02:34:37 - 02:34:44
Right. I mean, you know, would it be conflict? Well, after a while, you're not even an alpha male at home while you're going off on expedition.
SPEAKER_03
02:34:44 - 02:34:45
No.
SPEAKER_04
02:34:45 - 02:34:46
It's something's going to happen.
SPEAKER_03
02:34:46 - 02:35:13
weird shit would happen. Yeah, especially if the dudes on trustworthy. I mean, especially if you're in space, like you got no shot at getting back to civilization. How many seasons did they do? After a couple of years, you got to realize this is, we're, we're gonna live out here on the moon for a fucking hundred years. Yeah. This blows and the kids, they have to fucking listen to this guy, they're falling around with them, they have to go back, dad, daddy's lying. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
02:35:15 - 02:35:17
That might start banging in.
SPEAKER_03
02:35:17 - 02:35:36
Having any sort of person in that sort of a completely artificial way in your life. You let them in. It's like, we let in some weird shit. If you ever want to, I know you have because you hang around a bunch of idiots. You haven't been out to dinner with a guy.
SPEAKER_04
02:35:36 - 02:35:38
That's such a rude thing to say.
SPEAKER_03
02:35:38 - 02:36:11
It's so true. You're awesome. You're awesome. You're awesome, but you hang around with us. It's an impressive thing to say. Dodo's. I've known Brian for so long that I know not to go over to his house when he'll tell me, like, sir, he's a good guy. He just, uh, you know, he's just a little weird. That's something. He come over his house for some party and you can talk about it. Talk to me next to some loon, like, oh, God. Brian, what are you doing hanging out with this guy? I know. I know. I know. He wants to borrow money. Which I tell him. Tell him, no! The fuck are you doing? You'd always have like some new person you were hanging around with.
SPEAKER_04
02:36:11 - 02:36:13
Just who would waste a year of my life?
SPEAKER_03
02:36:13 - 02:36:43
Dude, that producer. That producer guy that you used to hang around with. When I first started hanging around with Brian, he had this producer guy that you hung around with. And I remember like... some guy was like a writer was trying to like make some things happen meetings you don't need to name names you know I'm talking about African American descent oh yeah complete total hustler yeah and I was like wait what was it how did this guy get in yeah guys really close to you saw that oh man what did you do you kept it I was around me you you pitch shows with all you love me
SPEAKER_04
02:36:44 - 02:36:46
I showed up drunk.
SPEAKER_03
02:36:46 - 02:37:28
Yeah, drunk like with that guy was a he believed he was smart. He believed he was like smart and slick and he was gonna pull it off and he believed like his smiles in his charm would mask the overall like slickster hustler bullshit that he had underneath but there was there was no substance like he would pitch ideas he'd be like what is this idea this dog shit idea you guys are gonna go out with he was just was all like energy and he had found a way to integrate himself into Hollywood you know and there's a bunch of those dudes man and you used to always have more on your side some of those people in Hollywood How many of those dudes that I tell you do you need to get the fuck away from those guys?
SPEAKER_04
02:37:28 - 02:37:58
Well, I think about how much time I would have saved if I didn't get involved with those dudes. And then I probably find other dudes, you know what I mean? Like, like, there would always be someone. And I think it's a personality trait where I would be pot. You know, it's almost like, if you're like me, maybe because you moved around so much, you make friends really quickly and you see the good only. And then you just do that to have a good time. And then slowly you go, oh wait, you're a complete fucking, you're a liar. Well, you know, we have a you have great. I'd say so much time. If I had your antenna.
SPEAKER_03
02:37:58 - 02:38:59
You're a genuine you're a genuine. My antenna is not flawless, man. There's a dude that slipped through the wire. There's a couple people that slipped through the wire. One of them is that Raphael Torriga. I didn't really know him, though. I can't really. He was friends with Eddie Bravo and he turned out to be a fake Brazilian YouTube Black belt and he murdered some guy. He's in jail right now for murder. He murdered some guy. He was like banging the guy's wife and then like having insurance policy or something and he killed the guy. Yeah, and was driving the guy's car. There's some crazy shit was going on. But when I met him, he didn't seem like a murderer to me, man. And he seemed pretty fucking normal. And I didn't ever see him do martial arts. So I couldn't see like, whether he's bolster or not. I just met him at like a king of the cage event and talked to him. But then you find out the guy's like a murderer and now he's in jail for a week. You like what? Yeah. How is it? Okay. Shit. Maybe if I had a deal with them, maybe I had something going on where you know we're involved in something together. Some business transaction or something. Maybe I could have seen the bullshit.
SPEAKER_04
02:38:59 - 02:39:01
Hey, but those guys are slick. That's their job.
SPEAKER_03
02:39:01 - 02:41:10
He wasn't that slick because I did eventually watch a video long after Eddie had outed them. Eddie had told them like get the fuck out. Eddie figured out that he wasn't really a black belt. It's before Eddie was even a black belt. Eddie was like, about her, a brown belt at the time, was before he beat Hoiler. It was long before that, but we were, um, we were in the car once, and Eddie fucking broke him down over the phone while we're in the car. Really? Yeah, they gotta keep trying to hustle and, and they go, stop, stop, stop. Are you a black belt in jujitsu? I just need to hear this right now. Are you a black belt in jujitsu? And there was this pause, and he was starting to some other nonsense, and it's that, well, my dad learned Japanese jujitsu. It's a stop, stop, stop. Do you actually have a black belt and you're just not your dad, not who you trained with, and he went, there was like a silent moment, and he goes, I don't want to talk to you ever again. Okay, you're a bullshit artist. Like you made me, I brought you around people, you made me look bad, like you're not being honest. You're not honest person. So after all that, then I saw a video that dude working out. I saw a video of him doing like a spinning back kick on a pad. It's fucking comical. I mean, it's like someone showed him 20 minutes before. Wow. It was ridiculously bad, but he had a crazy story this guy. He, he, he was such a hustler, such a bullshit artist that he turned, he turned up at, he told this guy, I need you to give me a ride in the woods. I'm going to this, uh, no rules, karate, kumate, and, uh, I'm going to be gone for a couple of days. So, uh, come back and get me, uh, like around Saturday. So he has this big duffel bag with him. Okay, it's a big fucking full duffel bag. He takes it with him. He goes off this kumite. And then the guy comes back on Saturday and now he's holding a trophy. That's a guy pick him up at the same spot. He says, yeah, one this kumite and Pete everybody and not going to trophy. And they guys like how you fucking had a duffel bag that was filled with this fucking trophy. Oh no, he told me to come get you two days. So he probably would walk home, took a nap, ate some food, went back up, went for the dude to pick him up, you know, and then yeah man, I go look at the trophy, I won.
SPEAKER_04
02:41:11 - 02:42:59
You never know like my buddy Mitch told me this crazy story goes back to the high school reunion and one of the craziest dudes was this guy Fittsy and Fittsy used it like he'd get on a car and you could drive 70 miles now. He was holding on to it. He was just crazy and he fight and get crazy and he was the sort of hometown crazy fun fucking nutty kid good kid fun and crazy So Mitch goes back to his high school reunion in Tennessee, and he says, where the fuck is Fitsi? And his cousin. Fitsi's cousin goes, uh, bro, it's a bad story, man. And he goes, what do you mean he goes? Fits isn't jail, man. And he goes, what are you fucking for what? And he goes, ah, and everybody got weird. And he goes, he's just there for a while, and you know, he's not coming out for a long time. What the fuck do you do? Well, turned out, Fitsy, um, kept going to this Applebee's, and there was a waiter there. And he would, the waiter would wait on him and Fiti and he became friends. And so one day Fiti said, let's go to the cornfields and smoke a joint and hang out and see if you don't know. They go to smoke a joint and Fiti tries to end does rape him and then tries to kill him. after raping him, a fight ensues, a fight ensues, Mr. Applebee's runs through the cornfield, gets away, and goes, um, the authorities please, I was just to raped and attempt the murder, they've tried to murder means I'll cut up and stuff, and, uh, well, I'll put these in jail now. That's a weird thing. Trying to fuck a guy, fucking kill a guy. It's not what you hear of him. And hung out with the guy for a long time at Applebee's and befriended him and had actually planned the whole thing. Oh my god. So you never know. Ladies and gentlemen, you never know how crazy somebody fucking is.
SPEAKER_03
02:42:59 - 02:43:05
Yeah, what the fuck? The fun guy. He's fun. He was the fun guy.
SPEAKER_04
02:43:05 - 02:43:14
He's here. He's got a rock. He's got a belly flop off the high die. Boom. Yeah. And now I'm gonna fuck you. I'll get God.
SPEAKER_05
02:43:14 - 02:43:14
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
02:43:15 - 02:43:19
Oh, so who knows? Who the fuck knows?
SPEAKER_03
02:43:19 - 02:44:07
Yeah. Those guys when you grow up too, like, you grow up in a neighborhood, there's like 50 dudes, whatever, that all kind of know each other. Like, that's the potential for one fucking unbelievably crazy person. It's so strong. Especially if you're in the city. Yeah. Have you ever seen that video of the kid who does a back flip off the top of a second story building? No. Yep wild kid in the street you know there's always those wild kids will try anything I have seen that his guy does and he makes it the first time it does it again Oh, I don't know about that. Yeah. The one that I've seen, I've only seen one when I got makes it and he's hanging out in a diner afterwards. I was like, how the fuck did you do that? Yeah. He backed his back to the edge and then just flipped. Flip to the air, land, didn't collapse and the ground was fine. It's one of the most incredible things.
SPEAKER_04
02:44:07 - 02:44:08
It's the crazy shit I've ever seen.
SPEAKER_03
02:44:08 - 02:44:13
Did it for zero? Didn't do it for a nickel? I mean, maybe he had a bet, but whatever.
SPEAKER_04
02:44:13 - 02:44:19
I don't know, but it's the craziest thing I've ever I mean, I remember that going. Oh, that's the craziest thing I've seen.
SPEAKER_03
02:44:19 - 02:44:28
That's it. That's what happens when people grow up together. And one guy pushes another guy in the next thing. You got a stivo. You got a stivo. Like stivo. Like you got some crazy.
SPEAKER_04
02:44:28 - 02:44:30
Well, Johnny Knox was the most gnarling.
SPEAKER_03
02:44:30 - 02:44:41
They're all crazy. They're all crazy. But look, stivo was with lions. He climbed a fucking tree and the lions came up the tree and they're swatting. They took his hat from him. Yeah. That is what we talked about that.
SPEAKER_04
02:44:41 - 02:45:03
And that was a commercial he was doing. And he said, do they climb trees? No, don't worry. They don't climb trees. And when Steve was up there, the lion climbed up the tree and got on top and Steve was well, I'm going to die now. And the trainer took a rock chicken and waved it at the lion and got him away. But Steve tells the story. Whereas Johnny Knoxville will blindfold himself with a cigarette in his mouth and allow a bolt to run through him.
SPEAKER_03
02:45:03 - 02:45:51
I saw that. Oh, I haven't seen this one. Is this another kid? Five story. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, What? What did you feel like where he was in the air? I'm like, what have I done? I don't imagine what that felt like on his balls. Because your feet hit and then your balls. What's funny is he's not in the air for that long, you know?
SPEAKER_04
02:45:51 - 02:45:56
It's so crazy. How fast you fall. Like do it again. How many seconds was he in the air?
SPEAKER_03
02:45:56 - 02:46:13
Well, not very long. Don't watch it. You can't make you speak this. Your voice just got high I get super nervous when I should do the fear factor stunts and they'll be like looking over the edge of some of the buildings just people had a crawl out on like Oh, is this another one? Oh, no dude.
SPEAKER_01
02:46:13 - 02:46:19
What is this now? Oh, no stop it. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03
02:46:19 - 02:46:35
This guy's gonna climb or he's gonna swing This is not good. I don't know, man. I don't think I want to see this. Well, I do now. Hmm. Why was wrong with you? Because so it's not even another country. You got to push yourself. This is a different language. This guy can die for sure.
SPEAKER_02
02:46:35 - 02:46:42
What are you doing? Why are you doing that?
SPEAKER_03
02:46:42 - 02:46:44
Oh my god. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02
02:46:44 - 02:46:45
Dude.
SPEAKER_03
02:46:45 - 02:47:56
Dude, look at this again. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no You know, that's an interesting thing. There was a study on why men do that. And they were trying to figure out what it is about men that makes them want to do like ridiculous stunts like that. And they said that when men do that, it makes them more sexually attractive to females. There's certain females that are attracted to men that don't have fear or willing to overcome fear in that. It's somehow another they think in some way connected to the idea of a brave warrior, because a brave warrior faces something that everyone else is terrified of, but faces it head on. And that same sort of reaction to watching someone do something that you know as a person is absolutely terrified when they see it, it gets them turned on. It makes total sense to me.
SPEAKER_04
02:47:56 - 02:48:02
I think that's just a misplacement of energy. I mean, that guy would have been, you know, okay.
SPEAKER_03
02:48:02 - 02:48:05
That's a misplacement, but isn't that... Or it's not.
SPEAKER_04
02:48:05 - 02:48:11
I'm just saying that back in the day he probably would have been with a shield and judging it about lots of what I mean.
SPEAKER_03
02:48:11 - 02:48:20
What I mean isn't what I was saying is isn't essentially the same thing that makes someone like a crazy BMX rider. You do those flips. Yeah, man. That's kind of the same thing, right?
SPEAKER_04
02:48:20 - 02:48:23
It's just, it's also pushing yourself beyond what you think you can do.
SPEAKER_03
02:48:23 - 02:48:32
But, you know, but the BMX guy gets money. If you're a BMX guy and you do flips and shit and you're awesome at it. You can make a lot of money.
SPEAKER_04
02:48:32 - 02:48:46
I also think it's juice. It's also adrenaline. Look man, getting into a ring every day and fighting dues where you might get knocked out. That's that's pretty daredevily as well. That's scary too. Oh no, running ponds back in the NFL fucking scary.
SPEAKER_03
02:48:46 - 02:49:16
Yeah, but that shit, you know something about that is like when you're fighting at least you're under your own sort of control in some sort of a way Yeah, you take deal with somebody else, but if you know what the fuck you're doing you can kind of mitigate a lot of shit Sort of you at least you hope you can that's the ultimate goal, but man when you're fucking doing flips off a mountain you're going off a mountain or mountain bike Yeah, wish, wish, wish. Bam, I didn't get landing. Some of those guys are out of their fucking mind.
SPEAKER_04
02:49:16 - 02:49:21
I think you get addicted to the adrenaline. 100%. Yeah, they must. I mean, if I didn't perform, I would die.
SPEAKER_03
02:49:21 - 02:49:31
Yeah, but I think it's a way crazy rush that they get. They're doing like two flips on TV and landing on a bike. They do motorcycles. They flip through the end of motorcycle.
SPEAKER_04
02:49:31 - 02:49:34
Then what happens when happens when that goes away?
SPEAKER_03
02:49:34 - 02:49:39
Well, what happens when it lands on their body? That's horrible to watch.
SPEAKER_04
02:49:39 - 02:50:01
Well, Jason Ellis, Jason Ellis still has to do crazy shit. He got in the ring with Keetardine the other day, and he just put him out the piece of no headgear and goes, let's just slug it out. And he starts going at it with Jardine. Jardine just goes, all right, you know what? Bang, just catches him up and cut knocks him out. Jason was like, it was fucking awesome. He just needs the juice. I was like, but that's Jardine who hits you and knocked you out. That's not good for your brain.
SPEAKER_03
02:50:02 - 02:50:26
He's been shut off a bunch of times, too. Yeah. I asked him about that once and he said he's been how cold like six times. I think that was like from skateboarding. I don't even think that was from fighting. I know. He loves doing it. He's pretty dude, man. Yeah, but that causes depression. Like too much head trauma like that. Yeah. That causes you to do like shifts for which players should.
SPEAKER_04
02:50:26 - 02:50:29
And so you can study their brains. They knew something was wrong.
SPEAKER_03
02:50:31 - 02:50:56
Mark Gordon, the guy who's the expert in traumatic brain injury, Dr. Mark Gordon. He said it doesn't take much. He said you could have one wrong car accident where you don't even get injured. He just slam-forward and like hit the steering wheel, like you're fine. Everybody's fine, everybody's fine, you know, a little fender-bender and you're fucked. You're fucked. You depressed for months, you don't know why. Wow. Yeah, you put two or three glands. It's not functioning properly. Like your your brain.
SPEAKER_04
02:50:56 - 02:51:02
Well, that's why that's why a lot of people with brain injury go on hormone therapy. Because everybody says producing testosterone and that stuff.
SPEAKER_03
02:51:02 - 02:51:38
Yeah, well, there's a bunch of shit. Your dopamine levels drop, you serotonin levels drop, your human growth hormone levels drop, you get tired. You know, they think that that's a lot of what they used to call chronic fatigue syndrome too. Chronic fatigue syndrome. They attribute to a couple different possibilities. One of them is Lyme disease. They didn't understand Lyme disease. Well, Lyme disease, they believe. They didn't start diagnosing people with Lyme disease to like, if I can 80s or something like that. It was fairly recent disease. But the other one they think might have been depression and head trauma. Well, they just don't want to get out of bed. Like you know, that's remember that when they used to call it chronic fatigue syndrome? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04
02:51:39 - 02:51:47
It was called, I mean, they had different words for it, but it was like, Epstein Bar of Iris. My roommate in college had that. Or like a year.
SPEAKER_03
02:51:47 - 02:52:17
Yeah. Just, you know, I had to... Or I remember there was some girl that, um, I didn't know, but I knew her like peripherally. And someone was like, yeah, poor girl. She's got chronic fatigue syndrome. I'm like, what the fuck is that? And I think, yeah, I don't know if she'd been a car accident or something. But I want to say she was. It's like a serious car accident. I'm trying to remember, it's too long, I might be confusing stories, but I remember thinking like I had met her before, it's a scene normal, and now here she is, what she doesn't have any energy to do anything.
SPEAKER_04
02:52:17 - 02:52:50
When you have somebody's breakdown, like just what one organ does, and then how it works with all the other organ sometimes, you can't believe that shit doesn't break down. It's just such an intricate machine and one thing is dependent on the other. It's fucking nuts. Where somebody will have a cavity and issue with their tooth, and they have unexplained foot, pain. And all of a sudden they realized that the nerve in the tooth is connected to the nerve in the foot. And so what was really causing the problem, the pain in your foot was not your foot. It was your tooth.
SPEAKER_03
02:52:50 - 02:52:51
Like an infection.
SPEAKER_04
02:52:51 - 02:52:56
Yeah. There's a certain nerve that goes from like the jaw all the way down there.
SPEAKER_03
02:52:56 - 02:52:58
You know, people get fucking hard attacks from tooth infections?
SPEAKER_04
02:52:58 - 02:53:06
Yes. It grows the artery. The bacteria crodes the arteries. That the cells that crows the valves. Yeah, it's fucking, you know.
SPEAKER_03
02:53:07 - 02:53:37
That's why there's a bullet thing, it's so fucking frightening, because anything that just a immediately shuts your body down, anything that immediately puts your body into a tailspent, 50% of the people that catch the shit die. It's so weird when something just goes wrong. Like everything's great today. Today, what did I do? Well, I went and walked the dogs. I got up, I played with my kid. I went and played tennis. What happened yesterday? Oh, you know, same thing. What happened tomorrow? Ebola. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
02:53:37 - 02:53:37
See it.
SPEAKER_03
02:53:37 - 02:53:45
Boom, hemorrhagic virus. Boyle's all over your face. Your face is covered in just giant fucking cell phone size. Plus, both.
SPEAKER_04
02:53:46 - 02:54:22
So you're clean. You're crying out of your eyes. It's like seeing that woman who went jogging and Florida and she was, you know, it was like seven night and she had a long day at work. She went right and she just dangled her feet off the bridge. I just got a dang on my feet. I was fucking hot. And 11 foot alligator was like, I'll take you now. I'll be having you now. Oh, thank you. We found her with no arms. Took her arms. Fuck. It's good time. I was like, I know I'm an alligator and usually I don't do this because I'm gonna do it today to you You're gonna be the only three people are four people of the year that's gonna be eaten by a fucking 11 foot dragon that'll be me
SPEAKER_03
02:54:23 - 02:54:45
Yeah, they're weird that alligators, they let them hang around because they're not too aggressive. It's like they're just docile enough. They usually run from you. The people don't just decide to fucking kill them on site, but really everyone in Florida should be in up in arms. They should run out of the swamps and gun those fucking dinosaurs down. Like those are a bunch of kid-eating dog-eating monsters to shit out of dogs.
SPEAKER_04
02:54:45 - 02:54:51
And the guy was walking his dog and they all get it didn't go for the dog, went for the guy. No, the guy's fucking crazy. Jesus.
SPEAKER_03
02:54:52 - 02:55:03
Yeah, they're just not as aggressive as Crocs. If they were Crocs, we would be killing them left one right. Crocs are crocodiles. You know, they found Nile Crocs in the Everglades. Stop it. Yes, they have. There's a shoot on site order. I found Nile Crocs.
SPEAKER_04
02:55:03 - 02:55:06
Because people had you to have them as pets. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03
02:55:06 - 02:55:18
Nile Crocs are out. Yep. They don't know if they're breeding. They don't have any idea, but they've spotted more than one Nile Croc in the Everglades. Confirm sightings. They're saying straight up killers. Yep. You see them, they kill them on site.
SPEAKER_04
02:55:18 - 02:55:21
Straight up, come, they will come right out. You are food is a human being.
SPEAKER_03
02:55:21 - 02:55:23
And they're being big. Oh, they get really busy.
SPEAKER_04
02:55:23 - 02:55:41
Like that Peace Corps girl who was like, oh they're in Kenya. Well, the crocodile's died out years ago. She heard. She heard. She goes swimming. The guy is like, I don't know. I'm going to win the rally. I'm a water baby. 30 seconds later. It's pulled on a crowd. It's got my feet who won't fall off.
SPEAKER_03
02:55:41 - 02:56:11
There was a document or article I was reading about these people that were canoeing in the Congo and the guy behind watches the guy in front gets taken by the crock with a crock just rises up out of the water and literally snatches the guy and spins the canoe upside kayak rather. It goes up and down like a bobber and then plump and then pops up no guy. That's it. It doesn't see the guy ever again. The clock just takes him out of the water.
SPEAKER_04
02:56:11 - 02:56:27
So the motto of that story is don't fucking kayak in the Nile. I mean, in the Congo, you don't do that. That would be the motto of that story. You fucking, are you out of your fucking mind? They're not like sharks. They will bother you. They come after you. They come after everything.
SPEAKER_03
02:56:27 - 02:56:28
Yeah, that's what they're, they're here for cleaning.
SPEAKER_04
02:56:28 - 02:56:44
The fucking Swallow just said in Uganda, so I saw what I cried about. Eat a goddamn tire. Eat a whole tire. I was like, how many eat this tire? Eat a fucking tire. I was like, can you repeat that again? Because you ate a tire. I go a car tire because yeah, ate it. Oh my God. So, your, your food.
SPEAKER_03
02:56:44 - 02:57:45
Yeah, they eat everything. Yeah, that's what the shirt, everything. If you think about it, like, where are they? Well, they live in a place that's so rich with life. They have to be consistent in their ability to kill it. Like, they're the cleanups. Like, anytime, just too many water buffaloes, there's too many wildebeests. Well, there's too many wildebeests. They go near the water hole and they get got. They get snatched. That's right. But you know who doesn't get snatched? Hippos. Crocs don't fuck with Hippos at all. Hippos wait into the water with Crocs and swim right by him. It's the most amazing thing to say. Because Hippos are so fucking violent. They're like, oh fuck it. They break Crocs in half. They cut Crocs in half. Yeah. Yeah, we're out of time. It's it. There's no more time. Bryan Calen, you are my friend. You are the shit. Thank you. You are hilarious. If people want to see Bryan, it's BRY-A-N-Calen. Has anybody taken BR-I-A-N-Calen just started to picture a dick? I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_04
02:57:45 - 02:57:46
I don't know.
SPEAKER_03
02:57:49 - 02:57:56
B.R.Y. A.N. Cowan on Twitter. Alright, my friend, much love. Anything that's tell people where you're going to be getting?
SPEAKER_04
02:57:56 - 02:57:59
I'll be in Atlanta Improv, October 16th, 17th, 18th, come see me.
SPEAKER_03
02:57:59 - 02:58:04
Go see him! Celaris! Yeah! Very funny stand-up! Brian, you got anything going on?
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02:58:04 - 02:58:10
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02:58:10 - 02:58:15
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SPEAKER_05
02:58:31 - 02:58:31
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