Transcript for #599 - Shane Smith

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I didn't text you from North Korea because they won't let me. But yeah, I was just an Antarctica in the South Pole. Yeah. That's hard to get to. Very hard to get to.

Like the old school sort of utopian communist, you know, cult of personality, their god, their, you know, the president, their, you know, George Washington, their everything. And yet still going on, which is crazy. In fact, they pick Kim Jong-un because he looked like his grandfather, Kim Jong-un, and so the people were like, oh, you know, they're the same guy kind of thing.

Yeah, there's another film. We interviewed the woman actually, I think they just sold the rights with her, making the film. It's a crazy story of There was like basically the Orson Wells of South Korea. So after the war they had this crazy film scene going on in South Korea. And there was like the Orson Wells and like the hottest star at the Maryland Monroe, basically, right? and there are husband and wife and they end up getting into a fight and the wife goes to Japan, she's crying, she's pissed off, she goes to Tokyo, boom, disappears, right? And no one can find her what the fuck's going on. So he goes to Tokyo, boom, he disappears. Now it turns out they were kidnapped by the North Koreans, right, by Kim Ilson. Yeah. And so they had made this film studio, which I actually went to. complete replica of 20 century Fox back in the 50s and they make all these anti-American films. Anyway, it turned out that the woman who he kidnapped, he turned into sort of a sex slave and the star of all these North Korean propaganda movies because he used to make a ton of movies. They get the husband and say, now you're going to direct her in these movies, right? They kidnap Tim and Tokyo, and he said, fuck you, I'm not going to do that. So they put him in a concentration camp, which a Korean concentration camp, maybe the worst place in the world. So he's eating grass, and he's being tortured five years, right? Five fucking years, he's in this concentration camp. Finally, he says, okay, I'll do it. I'll direct the films. So they let him out. and he goes to Kim Jong-il's palace and then all of a sudden there's his wife and his wife all of a sudden realizes only shit he's a alive be he came to get me see he's been in the concentration camp and he realizes oh she's been eating shrimp batting all day fucking Kim Jong-il while I'm in the concentration camp In any case, they get together and make like seven movies, big movies for North Korea. And in fact, one of them called Escape. No joke. Goal Escape. Get wins a Moscow like Oscar, like a Soviet Oscar at the time. As a reward, they get to go to Vienna, which was their dream, because it's where the third man was was filmed. He then, and she, and their tour of Vienna, they get there. They allowed to tour Vienna. They defect. And they get out. And finally, they escape. And then they told the story, and now they're making a movie about it. So they're probably going to shut that whoever puts that out is going to get shut down to you.

Yeah. It's completely insane. Whenever you, whenever you start dealing with North Korea at any level about anything, it's crazy as far.

Although it wasn't that long ago, you know, that you had Stalinist Russia, you had Maoist China, you had Hitler's Germany. where people just went, yep, that's dude. He's the one who tells us how to do everything, you know?

But I think if you look at what's happening in Russia, it's not so far away because obviously the thing about North Korea which is weird is it's like going back to 1938, you know, it's like going back in time. But the thing about Russia, if you go to Russia now, they're like, there is no economic crisis. America did this to us. The oil is falling because America did this to us. It's total cold war rhetoric and Putin is, you know, the news are. He's taken over all power and he runs the press and he runs everything. And it's definitely not going forward in Russia. It's going backwards.

Yeah, and, you know, he's done it with famously with gas, prom, and rosinette, where, you know, one guy became the richest dude in the world and three other guys got either assassinated or went to jail. So I think that when you look at it, you know, it's a tough place to do business, Russia unless you've got a key card to the Kremlin. You're not going to get anything done.

Yeah, that didn't happen. They just reactivated 28, 28 cold war bases this year. So they were done, okay, cold wars over. Yeah, fuck, we're done. Boom, 28 bases reactivated like, ah, yeah.

I think it was a humiliation in Russia. We look at sort of Gorbachev and the Altson and go, they finally came to their senses and joined the world and whatever, Yeltson drank a bit too much or whatever. But that scene is a huge humiliation. If number one, we were number two for a long time and then we went to be in an also ran. And there was a lot of resentment there. A, B, then as oil came on the ascendancy, they're like, OK, we're going to throw our weight around. So they were subsidizing oil. For example, Q, it was subsidized. Well, you know, one of the reasons why they're like, oh, let's be friends again. There's no more oil-cipes subsidies. And it's the same thing in the region. And then I think what happened is Putin came along and said, Russia's the best, again, and we're going to fuck with people. We're going to take back our land that they took from us, and we're going to take back this, and our military's the best, and we're going to put more money in the military, and we're going to reactivate these bases. And people went, yeah, good, why not? By the way, you've got to remember, you got to remember, too, that they grew up. where we were the boogie man. Right. So it's not to like, you know, all the old people, like if you look at the Fox News people, they're like, yeah, they're all coming. Well, all the people in Russia are going, I know the Americans eat the babies, you know, and so it's not that much of a stretch.

It sounds like staying, but it was the era of the police.

Well, you and I grew up at the end of the Cold War when it was still full on. Yeah, it's all again. You ever watched like war games. Yeah. And that, that was just a given. Yeah, of course, we're going to destroy each other just a matter of time.

Yeah, it's completely insane. We had this small interim of sanity where we all went, hey, those guys were crazy. It's a good thing we're not like that anymore. And now we're going, yeah, we still have all those warheads pointing at them. They still have all those warheads pointing at us and you're like, why?

Well, they're bad. So they scared the shit out of that.

Well, even us at our craziest and even the Russians at their craziest You know, we never did it, but the problem is as we were rational actors. We were like, even if we hated each other and even if there was propaganda, we're still rational actors. The problem, the worry is you have irrational actors, like Pakistan has over 100 warheads. and they're rapidly becoming an irrational actor because they're losing control over their country to the Taliban who are whose agenda is clearly stated that they want to fuck us up. So I mean that's where it gets terrifying. But we shouldn't get straight into like, you know, and the vector for war had number six one seven nine is caramel California.

But, you know, I used to be afraid of why, you know, I go with all these war zones on Instagram. But, you know, war is bad. Everyone always says, well, we go to war and they picture sort of manly, GI Joe tape shooting each other. And the generally doesn't look like that. It's lots of collateral damage and women and children being fucking blown to shit. And guys go in there and get PTSD and get their ass shut off. But, you know, the thing is, one of the things that I recently came back from that fuck me up, like really, I mean, to the point where I'm having a kind of an existential crisis kind of, well, what's it all mean? Is I went to the South Pole because we did this piece on Greenland Melting, which one of us, the Emmy last year, we got a lot of whatever discussion around it on both sides of the debate, although why it's a fucking debate, I don't know. But anyway, the Arctic is melting one of the things that's happening the reason why the Cold War is heating up again is the under the Arctic ice. There's tons of oil and gas and Russia didn't have any other money besides oil and gas. So Russia literally went, put the flag in the Arctic Circle. We talked to the guy who did it and said, well, we own all this now. We're taking all the oil and gas. Of course, every country that borders them is a NATO country. And if you attack one, you attack them all. So this is why the Cold War is heating up. People are afraid. Any who. So we go. The Arctic is melting Greenland's melting Everyone now is like, yeah, yeah, okay, we'll give you that. We'll give you Greenland's melting in the Arctic melting. But Antarctica is actually gaining in ice, so like it's kind of evening itself out, which is crazy to begin with, but we're like, okay, instead of saying, You're crazy. We're gonna say, okay, fuck it. We'll go. We'll go down and we'll see what the fuck it is. So we go down with NASA. We go down with, you know, the top scientists in the world from, I mean, from, from, well, from about 20 different countries, but the top guy is a French guy. And we go to the, to the South Pole. And we're like, so, so, so, so, you know, our ticket is melting and, and, and, and Greenland's melting, but Antarctica is not like we have, we have ice game. And they're like, You're fucking stupid, like what the fuck? And because what was happening was there sea ice, right? Which is like, like, if it's like a lake, you know, it freezes and then it melts. It freezes and it melts. And the lake doesn't go up or down because it's the same water. It's like an ice cube that's already in the glass. It just melts and doesn't. land ice the old either shit that's melting is like putting new ice in the glass right so over for that sea level right so they're like yeah there's sea ice gain on this side and on this side The sea ice is the shit that doesn't matter. And on this side, land ice is fucking melting as fast as it can go. Land ice is the adding the new water in. So that's sea level rise.

Glaciers, exactly. So I go down there and I go with all these different scientists that go on planes with lasers and radar to fucking measure everything. And all these dudes in scientists, everyone like, oh fuck yeah, like board. Like yeah, it's a given. It's a mountain. It's a good mountain. We're done. We're going to fuck them out. And we're like, well, why don't we know about that? And they're like, well, we do. I mean, we publish the reports, publish the data and ask the public to date and find the public to date. And you're like, um, I'm a guy who does this for the thing. And I don't know this shit. Like why the fuck? So, you know, we got the top scientists and we went to the thing whatever. And they're like, yeah, oh fuck. Yeah, it's going to be, you know, three meters, four meters. And at that point, you're like, well, that remapsed the world shouldn't we be making a bigger fucking deal about this because You know, and I always get a shit for shit talking about. I'm not a, you know, me. I'm not a tree hugger. I'm a fucking beard drinking football. And it's taking guy. But when I see shit like this, I go, uh, why the fuck aren't we freaking the fuck out? Because all the wars in the world don't matter if we had, you know, three, four meters of sea level.

Yes, we're back into doom and gloom, but it's okay. It's going, so. It doesn't water good. the IPCC report. Well, the one thing is is we won't, it looks like a lot of people won't die because they'll move, right? We have legs and we can move, we can build new cities and shit. The problem is is, you know, we go to Antarctica and all these, they're all scientists, they're all old dudes, and they're like, you know, very clinical, yes, well, we'll lose three meters and then there'll be less semisandism. and then you go to Bangladesh which is sort of at sea level and they're just you know I think last year alone there was like 20 million climate change migrants so then you go to the city and it's just I mean it's fucking you know it's just everything breaks down nothing works just just there's 20 million people in the city that's built for two million people it's just it's just crazy and you're like when you see it you go rich people or whatever will be able to move up the hill or Colorado, whatever it is. And everyone else is just like, well, you guys have to stay in the garbage heap and see how you can do it. And when you see it going forward, like I'm a positive guy, I believe things, you know, generally you've gotten better throughout history and quality of life has gotten better and health has gotten better and all this shit. But you know, you're basically saying, well, if there's going to be hundreds of millions of people forced to move because of this, then that's going to cause chaos. Chaos generally isn't good for anyone who isn't a young 20-year-old dude with a club in his hand.

It's good for him for a bit. What does it tell somebody with a bigger club?

You can, yes, you can do that, but it would be the shit. But then it's the ice, it still gets in the, and the sea tables still.

That's a good thing. People are actually, well, mining companies because you couldn't get to the land before now mining companies are buying it all up because the ice is melting.

Yeah, that's a good point. It was named that because it was Iceland and Greenland and they switched the names because I believe it was Leaf Ericsson or Eric the Red Leaf Ericsson or one of the Reds. One of the Ericsson's anyway. He went there and he didn't want people because he wanted it to be his own. So he named Iceland Iceland and Greenland Greenland to freak them out.

They're ridiculous people. There's some crazy genetics going on. I got to move there.

But what's weird about it is that there's a ton of them. It's not like one dude, one genetic anomaly could lift a fucking car above his head. It's like there's 17 of them. There's all the strongest dudes in the world are all from one fucking tiny little place.

Like there was a room from the lab. Yeah, they're so, they're so, but I guess they are. I mean, it makes them, they're like the descendants of Viking.

They just lift shit all day.

It's also not like L.A. or, you know, let's say Panama, we can pick the bananas off the trees. Like to live in Iceland, you gotta be tough as fuck. You gotta go out on freezing cold water and like stab a cod when the spear gets too. It's hard. It's cold and for bidding. You gotta learn how to drive in the ice. Yeah, it's fun to tell though. I love Iceland. It's a great, but I love Greenland actually. I went there and it was blown away by how beautiful it was.

No, it's a shark fermented puff and I believe. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah, no, I didn't know. I'm not into fuck. You know, I'm not like My thing is to go to weird countries and shoot the newsy, but it's not eat the shit, because I get to shit's anyway. So if I'm eating fermented puff and I'm like, I'm not getting on that plane. I feel like it's a shark dish.

I know they have fermented puff and it's the most disgusting fucking thing in the world. Because it comes from, it comes from Matt Jes, or whatever it's called, which is the fermented herring, which they had to make illegal in Sweden, because it's thanks so bad. So they made it like you can't make it in your house or shit anymore.

But it's a Swedish national because it stinks so bad. And then instead of the fermented herring, they did the fermented puffin, which I don't know.

Yeah, take turns black. It turns black. Yeah, yeah. I've seen it hanging. Oh my god. Look up fermented puffin' now. You give me my five minutes.

No, puffin is the, the cute, it's like a cute looking bird, I think.

They ferment a puffin, which is a bird. Yeah, cute little bird, and they ferment the fucker. And it wreaks so bad. And then, you know, it's one of these things where you have to eat it or whatever. And then, uh, and I, I used to go, I'll eat it, I don't care. And then, you're just, I'm, yeah, I'm not, I'm not gonna eat the fermented puffin.

How about that? They scoop up birds from the sky as they're flying. Fremant them until they're rotten and then eat them.

I'm not doing the fermented puffing.

We don't want to do that.

I guess so. I mean, I smell the fermented herring that the sweet is doing. You're like, it's hard core, hard core ammonia. It's telling you not to eat it. Why would the fuck would you?

You know, you have a weird thing, like kids, you know, you develop your taste when you're kidding. Like, you know, natto is, you know? It's like fermented beans, very strong taste. Everyone in Japan eats it for breakfast, natto. Oh, delicious, natto, and it's like, it's like, fermented, like rotten, rotten sticky beans. And it's, but, you know, again, you go there and they love it. And they eat it with a sort of strong mustard. But you go a lot of places. I remember, you know, I was sick somewhere. Anyway, he was somewhere. Maybe it was Kathmandu. Anyways, I was sick and they brought me the spiciest, like craziest fucking chili, like, you know, vindaloo. And I was like, I'm sick. I want like a grilled cheese sandwich and ginger rail. Like, you know, I want it. And they brought me the spiciest, crazy chili shit. And it's just, look, everybody has a different I don't know a different, you know, comfort food or whatever when they're sick or whatever they believe they're going to eat or something.

Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. That's a good question. I know alcohol. It was a way to transport water. Wine was a way to transport water. They're like, oh, because a lot of places they would go to. It was a big thing. Anthrax was huge because the animals would go to, you know, they fall in the water and then the whole pond or the whole water source becomes anthrax. That's where anthrax comes from.

Yeah. And so it was a lot of water was unsafe. So like, oh, we need to figure out a way to carry water with us. And they figured out a lot of ways, but wine was one of them. We can carry this. For, you know, years we can guarantee this and they didn't have quarks that just put a bit of olive oil on top of it, which would seal it. And I was like, that means that if you go logically, they were drinking a ship out of wine because they were like, well, I'm not going to trust the water because I don't know that the animals haven't died in it. So I'll just drink wine all day every day.

I need LA needs water.

We cause a lot of a lot of news saying we're going to reuse the keystone pipeline not for oil but for glaciers so that we can actually have water.

Well, if oil keeps going down and water keeps going up, it'll be economically feasible. You make more money selling water than you will. It'll be a commodity.

Yeah, all the here we did a piece of it all the the house boats and everything are sitting just on like not even dry land like cake like but scorched land

It's like, well, Texas has been in drought now for three years.

The big thing is now the believe the numbers are like staggering, like one-third of beef cattle are gone. Like, you know, like just trick, what's it? In Texas is a huge number. It's millions of millions.

I think it leads more water. Well, I think there's more straight-up agriculture in California, but there's more beach-locking.

But there's yeah. I mean, there's not that many left in the wild and there's a lot of crazy people in Texas. They want to buy one. Yeah. It doesn't surprise me.

with a compound boat going on a zebra like they they have these crazy fucking parks where they have wild animals it's not just a few yeah there's a lot of people of private collections I've heard of that and never my favorite story is not actually in Texas but in in Columbia where Escobar loved wild animals so he bought like hippos and elephants and tigers And then when, you know, it all went to shit, they just went into the jungle. And they're just procreating and living there. And you're like, it's kind of, that's kind of cool, actually. You know, it's probably environmentally, they're not supposed to have elephants in Colombia. But having the animals sort of set free into the wild is, I think it's good.

There's no more tigers left in the world. You know, Joe blow down and Dallas can decide like a tiger.

But this is, you know, not a tremendously popular sort of argument, but it actually makes a lot of sense. Like when we did this piece on Rhino, poaching, they killed the Rhino just for the horn could sell it and Vietnam as an affidisiac. And the guy who is trying to save the Rhino is the saying, You know, legalize it and we'll take the horns off because you can take the horse like, you know, it's made like it's hair. Yeah, you take the horn off and we'll just sell it and then therefore they don't have to kill the rhinos for the horn. It'll just be a market and everyone's, you know, freaking out saying, no, no, no, but as long as dudes who are poor can make a ton of money for killing things to take the horn, they will. Whereas if you just say, okay, well, you know, we'll give you the fucking horn and you can do whatever they want. You have as many donors as you want, go nuts. That's the only way to save them is capitalism is killing them. So capitalism has to save them and Initially you go, well, that doesn't sound right, but when you think about it, you're like, well... Okay, yeah, then the problem is well, somebody will be like someone who regulates it and like a company, you know, you know, GM will make the money out of the legal right on horns, but there'll still be illegal right on horns because the guys will get disenfranchised and they'll get screwed out of it somehow. But in any way, the argument that you have to make it as economically viable to do the thing because otherwise they'll just kill to get killed out. It massive rhino horns really did give you a hard on rhinos that have been extinct a long fucking time ago for really work But the other thing is he's like you're like rhino horns give you hard on and whatever you're like just what I fucking buy the secrets yeah, they don't have that 99 cents a lot cheaper than right because it's expensive. It's like you know 20 grand for a piece of Ryan on. You're like, you get fucking a vat of Viagra for that. You could bathe in Viagra.

It's so expensive. It's crazy.

Yeah, I'm going to grind up the hair and fingernails. Yeah. And that's going to give me hard. But seriously, like, just take fucking, you know, they boot like the agro for like a penny.

Well, it's no better than eating garbage. You find on the street, but we did another piece on that that I found fascinating because I didn't know anything about it. was that, you know, you know, like, first of all, basalt, you know, people were like fucking, and then eating each other, and like, you know, I fucking wildly eat them. And I'm like, what are they doing? How do they have basalt, like, basalt, and they're like, what's not, they're not fucking basalt. They call them basalt, but you can buy them in the corner store. And now they have, like, they're legal, you know, they have fake cannabinoids, or they have fake, whatever, or other kinds of chemicals, you get you high, whatever. And what happened was in New Zealand, math was such a huge problem that they went to the government and said, let's make a healthier version of math or speed. But just with, you know, we all chemicals and stuff. And so they did, they legally made You know, drugs, pills and the math problem went down and they were healthy or a version of drugs or whatever. But they were like selling them next to like chocolate bars and so on. So the moms and everybody went, well, this is not cool that you can buy math next to the chocolate bars quite rightly. and they so they banned them again. But what happened was online you can go and just change the molecule and before the DEA get catch up you just change it again. And in China, they have these companies where you can just email them saying DE to the power of 7. They're like, right, I'll send you 10 kilos tomorrow. So it comes in. They just mix it up, put it in a package with Scooby Doo on the cover and say, there you go. And you can sell them legally until you have to change the molecule again. And there's like, you know, you smoke these things, you start to be doing them. And they're fucking so strong, like crazy strong. And here's me, Mr. Hipster going, I didn't even know that fucking existed. You can walk in any corner store and buy these off the rack and just go outside into the back and go to Neptune. Like it's...

And they just alter a thing, and then there's a new wave, and then the alter a thing, and then the bath salts was somebody put the wrong molecule in there, and we decided that we were going to eat somebody's nose off as we were having sex. And that was one of the side effects. Might experience sexual addiction and cannibalism simultaneously.

Yeah, you got a big thumbs up. You've got to think he had a pretty, pretty good case because they would shut him down.

He would never have, you could never have, like, ever played cards or looked at a dick before.

Well, it's Ireland. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was Ireland.

I'm, you know, I'm like, that just sounds like a good time.

Yeah, it's fucked up what's happening in France right now. Yeah, that's the second half. Yeah. Well, we went from funny to.

But look, Charlie Hebdo and Cartoon, and humor in general, is meant to be a mirror onto ourselves and we take ourselves so seriously. When you start I believe if you start any type of censorship you're fucked because when you know somebody won't like something and then the other person won't like the thing that you like and once you start down that path And you say, well, you know, Joe, you know, I hate, you know, that you like, you know, Palestine. Well, Shane, I hate that you like Israel. Whatever it is, someone's obvious, always gonna have. And the minute someone gets that, then censorship starts in the minute censorship starts, it never stops. First of all, censorship by fear, and we were just, you know, we started the whole conversation about the censorship by fear was Nazi Germany. censorship by fear was Stalinist Russia. censorship by fear was Maoist China. And if you wrote or thought or said anything against the state, you got killed. And now what we're saying is if you do or say or do anything against a perceived thing about a religion, then they're going to come get you. right and people were like terrified oh my god we're not going to show the cartoons we're not going to show we're not going to what do you think you can think that there's that many terrorists that they're going to kill everybody who retweets a fucking cartoon and that's the insidiousness of of of of of terrorism because then you're like if you make fun of anything If you make fun of any political leader or political group or terrorist group or anyone with a gun, they can come out and shoot you. And I think that's the whole thing of like, no, they're allowed to fucking, guess what? You're allowed to say whatever the fuck you want. And then I'm allowed to say whatever the fuck I want against you. But the minute you say you're not allowed to say what you want, and if you do I'll shoot you, then you can fuck off. And that's what World War II was fought over. That's what World War I was fought over. And if we don't say, there can be no censorship, then we should have just given up and said, yeah, fuck, we'll just write whatever Hitler wants us to write, because that's what censorship is.

But they had the same fucking jokes about everybody. They were an equal opportunity asshole. They fucking went after everybody. And that was their job. That's their thing. It's satire. It's making fun of shit. A roast for the world. A roast for the world. But they roasted everybody. Right. And so the fact is you're allowed to roast everyone except for these guys because these guys will shoot you.

But you know the reason why that's happening. Why is it? Because What's happening now is we're reaching a critical mass, right? We're reaching a point where which, by the way, if you look at terrorism, it's been incredibly successful because you're reaching a critical mass where people are saying, Now it will be like this, you know, for example, the fight, the reaction was always, well, Islam is a religion of peace. Now that's become a joke because everyone's like, well, it's a fucking religion of peace. Why does this continue happening? Right? And so, progressives or whatever are trying to say, hey, well, maybe because they realize that the logical conclusion of this. Right. It's going to be, this is going to be bad. It's going to be okay. There is going to be an effective as this polarizes Islamic fundamentalism gets bigger and then our reaction to that fundamentalism gets worse because look, I believe I'm a progressive guy. I don't know what that means but I'm non-political on either side and I believe I look at things critically. But at a certain point, you're like, well, this is getting bad now. And public opinion is getting heated. And the end result of that is going to be you're going to have heated public opinion on one side. a bunch of guys with a bunch of guns on the other, and it's not gonna end well. So people, it's a type of appeasement, right? It's a type of, well, I looked at it, it's not so bad. Well, it is bad.

It's appeasement and and quite frankly what's good for the goose is good for the gander everybody should be gay and then that's what freedom is all about Who's it appeasement too?

Maybe. I mean, I, sorry. I'm getting a drink. No, no worries, man. I think, you know, for me, I think it's, it's, we're afraid of the outcome because if we keep going on this trajectory, the outcome is going to be problemat.

Well, I don't want to get started at all in politics. I think politics in this country is fucked. I think it's more as I think it's fucked and it's getting worse. And we could go on until the cows come home about politics in this country. What? One thing I would like, if you if you want, I would be long-winded and boring for most people, but I read a book. If anyone wants to read maybe the most fascinating book ever written about the situation that we're dealing with right now with the rest of the world and Islam is called the Siege of Mecca. And it's a true story. It's a journalist who wrote it about in 1979, which was the difference I believe the year 1,400 in the Islamic calendar, there was a siege of Mecca and a bunch of dudes who were Wahabiists took over Mecca during Hajj and the royal government, the royal family couldn't go get them because it's illegal to fight in Mecca. And so there was a stand-off and they were fighting people shooting each other and snipers, it's like an action movie. The French Secret Service gave them drugs to drug them and at the time it was the same time that it was happening the the the hostage crisis in terrain so the eye at all as a smart dude goes yeah the Americans the CIA have taken over mecca which of course is like the worst thing you could possibly fucking do so there's this whole upper early the birth of embassy in Pakistan, they do all these things because everyone's like, fuck, the CIA have taken over Macca, you know, and what ended up having his long story, but incredible action movie, story, but what happened was the royal family had to go to the clerics and say, you've got to give us a fat, well, that we can go into Macca and fight, because you're literally not allowed to bring a gun in a sword, nothing. And so you have to give us a special Fatwa to go get these terrorists. And they're like, well, we kind of believe in what they're saying because the terrorists were actually just a hobbyist saying we need to be more lobbyist, which is fundamental Islam. So they said, we'll give you the Fatwa. If you then basically give us money to do what they're asking for to be a hobbyist. So anyways, it happens to go on the kill the guys. Guy named Juhayman. But then what happens is, from then on, billions and billions of petrol dollars, which we pay the salary government, then goes to the Ulamah, the clerics, who then send that money to every country, America, UK, France, Pakistan, And they build the biggest mosques, and because Mecca is like the Vatican would be, and the U.L.M. are like the Pope, they build the biggest mosques, and they spend the most money, and then they say, OK, now you teach hobbies. And when you look at what's happening with ISIS, you say, how the fuck can these guys recruit 50,000 foreign fighters? in four fucking months, it doesn't make any sense to come from America, they're coming from France, they're coming from England, because these guys go to these mosques where they're a hobbyist teachings, right? And then when you look at it and when you look at what's happening with things happening in France, with things happening in the UK, with things happening in Pakistan, you know, where we're saying we're not gonna go with the Taliban, even in Pakistan, now we're going with ISIS, or the Taliban's aligning with ISIS, and you say how the fuck can that happen overnight? How can it happen that all these people are saying? Yeah, that's great. It's because we have the Pope and the Vatican saying that that's good, that Wahabiism is good. So as long as that continues, the problem on the that side is going to get worse, right? And then as long as that problem gets worse, we're going to fucking react stronger and stronger as is only human and that's the problem is is we're heading for some sort of boiling over we're heading for some sort of you know thing and I think and this is me giving people the benefit of the doubt is that some people are saying well fuck if if if we just let in to everything now and say the you know if everyone's shooting us if we say the wrong thing fuck you let's go

Let's start 15 with some positivity. God damn freaking me to fuck that start with some positivity. What about the well the thing is we can change it all where human beings were smart and I believe there's enough of us now that are woken up and are smart and understand our political and economic power and we could stop all this shit from happening because I'll tell you what North Korea only exists because people let it exist Right, global warming only continues because we let it continue. I mean, fucking other problems that we have with terrorism only continue because we let it fucking continue. If humanity has a hole says we ain't gonna fucking do that anymore, it would stop tomorrow.

You have to stop it from inside, but I think that that's where everyone running around freaking out about the interview. Oh my god, North Korea fucking told us we can't do something. We should be figuring out ways of getting the interview in the North Korea. In fact, fucking interview, we should be figuring out how to get NFL football in the North Korea, or like fucking, you know, last year, or Heidi Duke's a hazard, or any kind of shit. Because I think, you know, one of the smartest things that America learned after World War I in World War II is if you expand your troops it costs a lot of fucking money and it takes a lot of lives where if you figure out that marboros, coax, McDonalds and Hollywood everybody loves them and guess what you don't have to fight the war you want everybody's like fucking I want to smoke this is marboro well I'm drinking a coke and watching Brad Pitt You know, Gramski and Hegemonie, and I think that, you know, we should be exporting our culture a lot more aggressively than North Korea. And I'll tell you what, Kim Jong-un grew up in Switzerland. He loves basketball. He's watching TV. He knows what fucking time. And he's watching, you know, fucking duke's a hazard. Or, I guess, you be later. He'd be, well, what's a night big night. He's probably watching TV.

Well, he was, yeah, he was bulls. They liked the bulls. Oh, because Jordan, right?

Well, we sent him there, you know that.

Because they love fucking the bulls. I mean, if Michael Jordan would have gone there and I hope Michael Jordan you listen to this. If Michael Jordan would have gone there, it would have been world peace.

No, I think I think there would have been so much good will. He was said, like, let's just fucking call it today.

If Michael Jordan would have been, he would have been, I think he would have been a god like Ambassador and he would have been a little bit more sane.

Well, I think there was diplomacy accomplished. I think if you look at it, one of the things that, well, besides oil tanking, that helped date taunt between Cuba and America was baseball. If you look at Sweden and all the stars that came out of Cuba, the culturally they were just like, okay, fuck it, fuck this, let's just do it. And I think that the number one sport in North Korea is basketball. And so it's like if Jordan had gone there or even if the bulls would have gone there and there had been a real fucking thing and a cultural outreach and whatever it would have at least sped it up right because I was ping pong diplomacy they were like wow we don't actually eat each other's babies we play fucking ping pong like like staying like you know everybody's kind you know when I went I was always I grew up at the end of the Cold War And I was fascinated by propaganda. I was fascinated by Eastern Europe. And when I, as soon as it opened up, I went to Prague and Prague was always inundated with Americans. So then I went to Budapest and then I went to Kiev. But it was like, Yeah, it's not that much fucking different. They had a car and they had an apartment. They got two weeks and they went to Lake Baltham. It was a shitty car and it was a shit, but a guy from point A to point B. And they kind of were pissed off at their government, but they were kind of like, well, whatever fuck this food and a fucking story, you know? And it was kind of shitier, it was a shitier grayer, you know, scarier, I guess, because of the police version. But in reality, it's like people are fucking people at the end of the day, except for North Korea. I mean, North Korea, it's just fucking crazy. But I think that the more, it's not actually, yes, we're not doing shit over there. They still think we're the devil, but Chinese people who used to come look, you know, they were wearing the Maoist suit and with the stars everywhere, and they look the same, and they talk the same, and they're still revolutionary. are now coming in Hawaiian shirts with a cannon fucking S5 and a fucking thing.

Yeah, I think global culture got there and consumer is culture. I mean, China is the most capitalist country in the world now. But the Chinese who are coming in North Korea don't look like them anymore. They don't act like them either. They have fucking laser beams in their hands. They don't have phones, they don't have computers. So they see all this shit from the Chinese and go, okay, something's going on. And I think if we if we just exported our culture that the fact that hey guys, you're actually living fucking a hundred years ago, you should come and get up to speed with us. I mean, that's what happened in East Germany. East Germany, West Germany said this is never gonna come together boom. They realize that these motherfuckers over there drive 9-11s and I'm driving a fucking lot of. So, you know, that's what won. That's one one.

I mean the family doesn't I mean now I wow who the fuck knows I don't know shit, but you know from what I know about going there a lot the military runs everything was called military first the army runs everything When ever the army runs everything anywhere, guess what? It's not a ton of fun. Kim Jong-un is, he looks like his granddad. He's the dad. They got him out of power. They killed number two. They fucked with his wife. They did all his shit. Oh, he's got gout. They were just saying, hey, you know who's running shit, the army's running shit. Because if the army isn't running shit in North Korea, it's over. Because the minute the army isn't running shit, they're going to all be in line saying, can I please work in high-end-eye for some money? Because I'm fucking hungry.

Yeah. That's so true. It'll be exactly what happened in East Germany.

I like it except for, except for I'd like to change it to the best college basketball team in America. It gets kidnapped by the North Korean desk bot, which makes them play the worst pro team in America for a winner take all game because it's always that question at the end of the year if the best college team plays the worst pro team who would win and I love those arguments and everyone's always like well if Oakland played Bama will now it's uh uh but if let's say Bama because I love Bama If Oakland played BAMO, they would throw so many schemes up against them and they couldn't. But you're like, BAMO had the biggest offensive line in football. Not only not just fucking college football, football, and they played together as a team and they're fucking awesome. Now they suck to against Ohio. But in any case, the best college team, because then you could bet on it. You could bet on it and whoever won between America and North Korea would run the world. I think we should do that. That's what we should set up.

What do you retarded? Then we failed in our mission. But the pros should win. The dream team. The dream team.

That was the opposite. That was the Russians were effectively pros, because they were the Russian army there. And then we were still putting up college players. And even though the Russians were pros and we're going to kill us, we won.

That is a huge day to beat those russies. Have to beat the russ. The cold war was played. We need a kind of cold war again just to have sports.

The military guys over in Russia are mean as fuck.

But we'll just send drones, we'll send laser computer people over there. Well, we won't win, we won't win if we fight the... You'll even see in the shit they fucking have to... You know, squatner, haunches for three days, looking kicked in the face. I mean, they're in a different level. It should now not take any way from the best military in the world with the American military. But the Russians are fucking tough motherfucker. You hit him in the face with a baseball bat in these miles.

This is what they just want to fight the fuck out of it all the time. If you see the Russian specials like the special service training, shit that they have to go through. fucking ridiculous. Like, obviously it's hard to become a sealer or a ranger, whatever. But like, like, I don't know something like fifty percent dollars, like some crazy stat. They are fucking crazy. Anyway, we don't want to fight them. I guess why everyone who's fought them from Napoleon to Hitler to everybody lost. Except the Mongols. Mongols. Mongols. Mongols would be everybody. Mongols took over Russia for two hundred years. The only reason why they didn't get the Europe is because they got tired. They're all drunk. They're all drunk. They're all drunk. Our ours is our big enough.

Well, they're tough as hell, you know.

Right? But whenever I go to any of these places and you see dudes like sleeping in the sand, eating dirt, you know, cuddling their collision a cough for warmth. And then you look at, look, I'll be the first to put my hand up. You look at me and I'm like, well, well, I have in and out burger or Wendy's. Well, I have the super sized coke or the valium. You know, and I'm just like, You know, I used to when I was young, I used to think I was a tough guy and when you see these dudes who literally know nothing but an AK-47 and will eat sand. You're like, yeah, I don't want to fight that guy. And by the way, the majority of people I know in our country, why? Because our country is great. You don't want to fight these motherfuckers because they are fucking bad ass and it's like you know we I think we've had this discussion before but you know when you look at boxing and shit the tougher the neighborhood the poor the neighborhood the better the boxer because they're fighting for something they want to get the fuck out He don't see a lot of Harvard boxers, if they're going one, two, three, corrupt, you know.

I think if you look at the last, the two longest wars in the American history, if you look at Iraq and Afghanistan, And then I remember when Russia invaded Crimea, which is 90% Russian. You know, Fox News was saying, this is the first time they've ever gone without a shot and we should go in and what are we going to do? And you're like, hold on a second, hold on a second. You're talking about going into Russia, which is Russian, to fight Russians about taking over a part of Russia, you know, the tradition is a part of Russia. You know, we had a hard time in Iraq with not the greatest time in the world with a lot of terrorists. We had a hard time in Afghanistan with the Taliban. who aren't even an army in any real sense of work. You're going to go take on the Russians and Russia's backyard. You're going to get a fucking bloody nose like you've never experienced before. If you're going to do it, you better be ready to go all in. And that's one of the things that NATO has a thing that if you attack any NATO country, all of NATO then has to go. and go with you obviously we're a part of NATO so that means if anyone fox with an island of Finland or someone fox with fucking Norway's fishing rights whatever we all got to go in and then you're like well we better be ready for that and we better understand what the fuck that means because guess what the Russians have been doing fucking power squads when they came 47 ready to go while we've been sort of eating Pop rocks doing co-conflam. I don't I think I think PlayStation is better than in Dendo.

Well, you know, Russia and China have always had a different philosophy, which is may have a lot more of it. You know, so they have more tanks that are shittier, but they're going to f**k it. You got to shoot ten of them, you know, delivering. And the China used to that was their thing, waves, you know, they had waves of people, and they would literally, your machine gun would overheat kind of thing. So if you look at it, we have the best military in the world, most technologically advanced military in the world. But I don't know what to standing army is, and I'm going to get a shit no matter what number I say. But let's say it's 3 million, right? You know, then you look at Russia. It's probably 30. And if you look at China, it's probably 300. Million? Yeah. I mean, because I believe in China. Look at that. I think at one point in China, everybody has to be in the military. They have a billion three people. So, you know, but yeah, but that's the thing is, you can have however many people you want the most technologically advanced military in the world. But if you're fucking with China, you're in trouble. And if you're fucking with Russia, you're in trouble. Then it goes to, well, we have a lot more nukes than them. And then obviously, that's not a question you want to have.

Is that combat troops or that's in total?

Yeah, because if you look at combat personnel, it's usually 20%, which is staggeringly low number. It's like 300,000 people.

We can't go to war with Russia. You can't go to war with Russia because a you know who maybe would be a tie let's say, but then all those nukes All you need is one crazy general. On either side, one crazy mother fucker to say, you know what? I'm going to doctor strange love this shit. I'm just going to let fly.

You know what I, yes, but you know what I'm confused about is if you look at America, what would you say the number one security political problem in America is today? security security issue security problem political like not political problem like can't be debt or energy or whatever like a political see no like a security yeah okay not can't be private external external external we were worried about terrorism okay good thank you that was that was sorry what's the number one by by far way worse than America in Russia today Terrorism. They have terrorist attacks. They had the theater where they were all killed. They just had the subway. They blew up two subway stations in Moscow recently. They had the school where they killed all the kids. Dagestan's coming up in the Russia. They have 9-11's on a yearly basis. Then you look at China and say, what's the biggest external threat happening in China right now? Terrorism, so Western China, the U.S. or the U.S. are fucking going apshit in northern China and out of Mongolia, and it's causing a huge massive massive problem within China, where hundreds and thousands of people are being killed and slaughtered and bus stops and train stops, they just have one recently. And what's interesting is you say, okay, The three major powers in the world, America, China and Russia, right? All share the exact same number one enemy, which is terrorism within their countries, aligned terrorism. It's the same group, same groups. And then you say, okay. uh... why the fuck wouldn't we just get together and say hey guys we have exactly the same m and india by the ways in there as well why the fuck don't we get together and say hey this is a huge problem for all of us massive fucking problem for all of us And Europe put everybody in there and say, why the fuck don't we get together and say, hey, we got to solve this one way or another. Because it's much the death by terror is my believer. Number one, China, number two, Russia, number three America. The why the fuck don't we get together and say, let's do so about this collective.

Yeah, it would be, it would be attacks on Americans and foreign soil. But in China, it's a continual war. You have Western China, Northwestern China with the U.S. In Russia, it's continuing. You have Dagestan. You have Chechnya have all this stuff. And then here, we have all of our, I guess it must include Afghanistan, Iraq.

Yes, it's a combination of sanctions and the collapse of oil, which is the majority of their GDP, both of which are blaming on us.

Well, everyone lowered the price with shale oil and fracking it. We, you know, have done a lot to become energy independent, which I think is a good thing. But the lot of shale or cheap fracking shale oil has driven the price down. And OPEC hasn't decreased supply, which would theoretically increase it also problems like Venezuela and Iran have sort of solved themselves in the sense of oil distribution. Wow.

Yeah, we always produce the ton. We just consumed more than we produce because we like to consume shit. But by and large, the biggest security problem I believe that we had, including terrorism, was that our energy dependence upon. So if you look at Saudi Arabia, You say, okay, these guys are actively supporting mosques that say Wahabiism is good, I.e. that you should not, you know, you should adopt a fighting interest Islam. That was our money, you know. And so at that point, you know, we're giving money to Pakistan, we're giving money to A Saudi would give him money to Iran or give him money to Iraq. Why? It's crazy. It doesn't seem sane. Well, why, then? Oil. Because we need to fucking oil. And we need all the oil. And even if they need less oil, they're oil. Yeah. Well, I think it puts us in a better position.

That question is being answered right now. That question is being answered in real time. You don't want to go ahead to head with the whole. But the thing is, but because of it, because of exactly what you're saying, because of de-stratification of that power system. That's why you have ISIS. That's why you have all this shit. Everyone just thinks ISIS is a bunch of dudes who went out, fucking had a joint and said, you know, why do we fucking take out kites thunder? No, what happened is you have a huge fucking group from all over the world. International fucking consensus coming in there and saying we're gonna make a caliphate. And by the way, that caliphate because there will hobbyists say we want to take over Mecca. Once they take over Mecca, if they take over Mecca, hopefully they don't, then you have a real problem. because then you have ISIS saying, we are the Pope and fucking Rome. Thank you very much.

Yeah, full fucker. That's why Saudi Arabia is shooting their pants now, is because they were funding all these Bahabias things, and then ISIS goes, yeah, we're Bahabias, but we're the real Bahabias, and we're coming to take Mecca, why? Because if you run Mecca, you run the SUNY world, right? And so, Saudi Arabia has a lot more to worry about ISIS than America does because Saudi because they're real close to fucking Mac and they want to take it.

What I love is, what I love is we'll go on the ground with our whole military and fight Sudan we're saying. But we were not going to go after it. We'll bomb ISIS here and there. And you're like, yeah, ISIS is as bad as it gets to. ISIS is bad as it gets. ISIS is Nazi Germany on fucking steroids.

I mean, I, so we embedded with ISIS for four weeks last summer and I interviewed a nice member.

First of all, I did not say it casually. That's why I just assumed everyone knows in the world.

We had something like 45 million there. No, but we have a filmmaker who we worked with in Palestine. We asked if we could go see what was happening at the time I saw. And we embedded for four weeks.

So we embedded for four weeks with them all over in Iraq and in Syria. And we released a documentary, one of the ton of awards. It was viewed tens of millions of times. And basically we didn't have any commentary. We just pressed record. And I really enjoyed it because of that, because it wasn't like, look at these fucking cock suckers, whatever. It was like, hey, your veil's not, because what they did is they showed us what life under these LAMIC state is. And it's like, it's like Nazi Germany. It's like you have to have the veil and you can't be too happy and you can't fucking eat too much licorice and all this shit. And you know, one of the ton of awards for it, we embedded with ISIS. I personally interviewed a couple guys from ISIS. There was a Canadian guy who was thought to be dead. He was not 9 interviewed him. And what's interesting is, I mean, the number is very, you know, but the top end, what the number of the guy was given me is they have 50,000 foreign fighters. Now, we know that they have 50,000 fighters. The argument is, is it like 20 or 30,000 foreign and, you know, 20,000 Iraqi Syrian or what the mix up it? But these are on the ground fighters. These are not like support troops or you know logistics or these are the fucking fighters. So this is why people should sit up and take notices. You have I mean for us to mobilize 50,000 fighters is a huge fucking Right, but they have people coming from America. We talked to French people in ISIS. We talked to Americans. We talked to I talked to Canadians personally. You know, and we're like, I don't understand, you're from America or you're from Canada. You're from France. You're from Germany. You're from the UK. You're fighting in my mind, anyway, for maybe the worst political organization around. But in their mind, because they've grown up with these Wahhabis mosques, that's the right thing to do, because they need to be Wahhabis in Mecca for it to be true Islam. And that's why I think people should take the next look at ISIS because ISIS is not going away anytime soon because these people ideologically believe that they are right. And the question shouldn't be what the fuck's happening with ISIS? The question should be how the fuck and ISIS recruit 50,000 people in fucking six months.

But I think that you brought up a fucking good point. which is, here's a rack, right? And for a long time, we were supporting a rack, and then we'd support around their biggest enemy, and then we'd support a rack again, and then we'd support around. Why? Because we want a cheap one. Fine, that's geopolitics. Actually, who gives a fuck, actually, you know, we're a hedgemonic power, that's what we have to do, whatever. The problem is, is you say, okay, we meet up, shit, this is where it gets a bit wonky. Right? Because you're like, if you wanted, if you just told the American people, we need the fucking oil in disguise, fucking, fucking oil in the oil. I think that would have been better than we happened to mass destruction and going into the UN and trying to get everybody behind it and trying to, we understand we are geopolitical player where the policeman, the world's policeman, you don't have to make this shit up. But what happened is they said, Al Qaeda is being supported by Saddam Hussein. Now, anyone would have a brain knows that al-Qaeda's fundamentalist religion and the bath party was a secular they were anti were they were like a political thing they were they didn't want religious extremism so they weren't how helping al-Qaeda were they bad guys is sedamus ain't a bad guy yes I didn't like him he's not my friend I don't like him but was he fucking Osama bin Laden's best friend no they were enemies in any case we make shit up and we go in there We fuck shit up so bad for so long that when we leave, right after the day we leave, the fucking cadre of motherfuckers come out called ISIS, which make out kind of look like a fucking tea party and take over the country, right?

But hold on. So we go in. We made it up. We said the boogey man lives in Iraq. We fuck it up so bad that when we leave, the boogey man is twice as big and by the way, we made him. Now, that is a failure, not of our trip, but of the fucking state department and of a political fucking, because these guys, there was a time when the British could actually say, you know, when we could make decisions that we are making decisions that are terribly wrong and the saddest part about that is people are paying for that on our side and on their side, but they're fucking lives.

The amount of things that were killed, it's supposedly somewhere around 1 million. Yeah, yes, including sanctions because we cut off medicine and shit. It's like a million Iraqis.

That's my long one to answer to your question, which is if someone did that to America, And said America bombed Russia, when we clearly did not bomb Russia, we didn't help or whatever, they invaded us, killed a million or 10, whatever the factor is 10 million or 20 million. Everybody including me and you, we get, there we go, kill those motherfuckers.

And that is what's happening now. And then everybody's seen they're going, wow fuck, we'll just go bomb ISIS. Those ISIS motherfuckers cutting people's heads up fuck ISIS fuck ISIS. You're like, I agree fuck ISIS. I'm a journalist. They're gonna cut my head off so I don't like them. but at the same time you're sitting there going okay why why is no one asking why is no one asking how the fuck did these motherfuckers become popular how the fuck did they recruit guys from Virginia how did they recruit guys from France how did they recruit guys from England where the fuck are these guys coming from and how did they take over Syria and fucking Iraq when you have every army in the world there and every fucking commando union in every intelligence agency. And these fucking bunch of new guys, new kids on the block took over everybody's shit. And the reason why is because A, there's institutional fucking money funding them and because we fucked up shit bad on our side. Now, we should take the learnings that we've done and say, look, ISIS isn't going anywhere. And unless we fucking, you know, go A, shit, guess what? It's going to make all kind of look like a tea party.

I actually love life. I know you do. I love life. I love you. I love life so much. Look, I eat too much. I drink too much. I hang out with dudes like you. I got to say, there's nothing there with drinking too much. But I'll tell you why, because there's nothing better in life. And I don't know if you agree with me. But when you get older, Besides family, because family for me is number one, you have your kids, which are everything. But you get a bit older, you know, but it's shit. You have a drink, you have a steak. You talk to somebody and say, look, this is important shit. The greatest thing that we have you and I is that we can talk about this shit and people actually listen to us. Because I believe that people all over America, North America, Europe are having the exact same discussions. And unless everybody goes, you know what? That's fucking true. These guys are being cocked suckers and fuck ISIS and we got to stop this fucking sea level ride. That's the beauty about what we can do is that we live in a world where we can talk and have a few drinks and say what we believe in. And literally, I get it every time, like, you know, hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands, Facebook, Twitter, everyone say, okay, good. I'm fucking down. What do we do next? I don't fucking know. I'm not Jesus Christ. We're just sitting here and saying, this is what I believe, and this is what I think. The greatest thing about our lives is that we live a life where we can have a discussion, and it actually matters, and people will listen and they can say, what do we do next?

What do you know, Hona? Look at what you've built here. You've built a communication center. You've built a network back in the day this would be NBC. People would come in and they'd talk their shit and they'd say whatever the shit they'd say. And then they leave. Walter Kronke, you literally built that here. Now it's a lot less prohibitively expensive than building NBC. But that's why whenever I come here and I try to come here every time I come to LA is because this is the future of it's NBC, but it's NBC for our people. It's not NBC for everyone. Like NBC said there was three channels. But one of the things I love about coming here and this is why I get rankled about censorship is Joe Rogan has to be able to say whatever the fuck he wants no matter what. Shane Smith has to be able to say whatever the fuck I want no matter what. You can say I'm wrong. You can say, fuck you, Shane, I hate you. You're not allowed to shoot me without me trying to shoot you back. But like while we have freedom of speech and while we have communication, while we have all this shit, we should celebrate the shit out of it and we should tell everybody else out there that they should celebrate the shit out of it because that's what true freedom is. Unless we're allowed to say whatever the fuck we want to say, there is no such thing as freedom.

It's number one. Fuck the thing you can buy a gun. You can do this. If you can't say what you fucking believe without somebody pointing a gun to your head, that was what the Gestapo did. The Gestapo said you can't say that it will fuck you up.

That's what we should be fighting for. When we talk about human rights when we talk about shit a lot of time like we were going on sedan and saying it's a bad guy. Yeah, there's a lot of bad guys. The hootsies and the hootsies were fucking killing the fuck out of each other. With that same shit. Exactly. So it wasn't about him being a bad guy because there's a lot of bad guys out there. However, what we should fight for is freedom of speech and that's why Charlie Hebdo is an important thing that everybody in the world has come out. They're not protesting. They were saying, you know what? Everybody should be able to say whatever the fuck they want. And I believe in that.

Yeah, well, that's true.

It's racism and it's Africa fatigue and quite frankly.

Sadly, there is Africa fatigue. Much like there's Afghanistan fatigue or Iraq fatigue. Let's take Iraq, for example. We laughed the rack and said, mission accomplished. We won. Good, goodbye, and we laughed. The story didn't end, but we laughed. Boom, ISIS, bang, biggest story in the world. Oh, where the fuck did these guys come from? Well, if you would have not just laughed, you would have known. And I think that there's Africa fatigue for sure. Like Ebola actually continues to rise. The deaths continue to rise. We haven't contained it. It's now in Sierra Leone and Guinea and it's fucking getting worse and in Liberia. What is out of the news cycle? So therefore it must be fucking over. We saw it must have sent a pill that worked. No, the death's fucking increase. The opportunity for contagion increases. And everybody, that's why we're doing our 24 hour news network because you're like, who gives a fuck about the news cycle? They found the plane so therefore like who cares like when we left Iraq that's when the problem started and nobody paid any attention while ISIS built up you know you look at West Africa and you say Ebola is fucking still raging But now it's fucking the nurse didn't get it in. Used in the world, okay? I mean, there is Africa fatigue. There is Iraq fatigue. There is Iran fatigue. And it's like now we're going to enter into domestic elections and we'll be fascinated with what goes on there.

But then we get back into the whole freedom of speech thing, which is, you know,

It is freedom of speech, but like when government gets involved in social issues. In messaging thing. Well, but what's a social issue?

Because if you look, if you look, okay, but let's look at the social issue that we'll say no. That was Obamacare, which by the way, calling like a photo healthcare Obamacare is funny because you're just label Obama. And if you look at it, just as if you take a step back and by the way, I don't want to get embroiled into it because I not an expert, but globally you're like universal healthcare is like a thing like people you know should be universal healthcare whenever. Now granted I come from Canada where a universal healthcare when I grew up was good. However that said I'm not a huge believer in the government running anything because governments I believe because I grew up in a government town are inefficient and You spend 80% of the money on themselves and 20% on the things. So I'm not like a huge believer in government doing anything. That said, universal health care for the richest country in the world seems like fucking we should have it. That became the greatest single debate and probably the worst thing for definitely Obama but for sure maybe up there and top five for the Democratic Party. And essentially it was like a thing that if you looked at it in the world context, every rich industrial country has universal health care. This is a boring, it's a fucking given, it's nothing. And that became such a fucking huge thing because it was the government interfering into your private life. And because of that, the extrapolation became a thing. And I found that to be an amazing litness test on the American psyche because you sit there and say, I mean quite frankly, who the fuck cares? Right? You know how much money we're mis spending on healthcare? I get taxed more in America than Canada, in Communist Canada. I get taxed more in America and the fucking money gets thrown down the toilet. You know, I would be a fucking tea party motherfucker on the taxation side because you taxed me the same in Canada, but the schools suck in the hospital, suck, whatever. But you have to have universal healthcare. You cannot be the richest country in the world and have fucking people dying on the street and just rotting there because, well, fuck, you know, they couldn't afford it. They couldn't afford it. Now, was it implemented? Well, no. Was it massaged? Well, no. But the political war that went over over something stupid as fucking universal healthcare, stupid argue about. Yeah, just becomes like, we're gonna fucking argue about everything now. Every single fucking thing we are gonna, we're gonna argue about it. Can we fund the government? We're gonna argue about fucking, are we gonna pay our own debt? We're gonna argue about, you know, what shoe we put on the right foot versus the left foot? And that's the problem is, if you talk to Patreys who now's up against charges, but Secretary Gates, anyone, they will all tell you the greatest fear or the greatest, sorry, the greatest problem for American security is the inaction of the government. The government cannot enact fucking anything. And that is the problem that you have today is you have something like like a photo healthcare act, just becoming a huge politicized issue where someone should have just said, look, it's going to cost us 0.01% of the fucking thing to make universal healthcare, which we can't fucking hold our heads up if we don't have. Just fucking do it. I'm gonna shut up and fucking get on with fucking whatever the fuck else it is. But in the number one political issue of last year and guess what? It's a non-issue. It's a non-issue. We're sitting here. We don't have water. We don't have fucking water.

I already fixed that with my pipeline. Pipeline to Antarctica.

Instead of the narcos, it'll just be like eco warriors with dreads and sandals.

It does. It does. I was listening. Hold on. It probably tastes better just in general.

No, but but psychologically. Yeah. It tastes better because I made that.

But I feel like the vodka that I make doesn't taste better than this. You make vodka?

Really? But it tastes like fucking it's potato. It's just you can make a still and fermentation and it tastes like everything tastes like shitty awful moonshine terrible. vodka what they do is they just refine away Just so it tastes like nothing because you never I mean vodka doesn't taste like anything. You just add some shit and have you ever seen those tests? You know sorry, but that you know that that doesn't taste like you can put it into the barrels. Oh, they barrels they like the barrels stain it and taste it and that's otherwise it would just taste like fucking boy. Oh, alcohol's just alcohol

You know what you can but hold on you can you can order all the the super high-end shit and whatever else, but I I believe jack is the best tasting off But it's not bourbon, apparently. It's a, it's a, it's pure America.

Well, smear not always wins, smear not like five dollars a liter. And they always win the taste test because you know what I could taste like and fucking nothing. They put sugar in there. Oh, I don't think they put shit in there. They put alcohol in there.

That's true. That's true. That's true.

That's weird. Because I always when I was a kid, I used to pretend. This says something wrong. I was like, but I would drink Coca-Cola out of like a shark glass.

Yeah. And I always thought, this is the greatest. And by the way, if they had a drink, there was like Coca-Cola, but like, I would drink the fuck out of that. Because I love Coca-Cola. I'm trying not to drink that.

We'll drink it. We'll not drink it.

Pepsi is like a sugary watch. Coca-Cola is the greatest parabolic acid that ever existed in the cleaner radio. But, you know, people used to have the taste tests, right? I don't know why I'm looking at you for vindication, but they would do the taste test. And you'd be like, if you can't taste the difference between co-capacity or fucking, I hate your guts because they're completely different fucking things. In any case, I always pretend and I've always been waiting for a drink that's gonna be as powerful and amazing and it is hard as a Coca-Cola. And every time you have one, it's just mindlessly disappointing. I love whiskey. Right, but if whiskey tastes like Coca-Cola. I would drink a lot more.

Like you take a shot of Jack Daniels and it hits you and just like, well, you brought up a very good point because I just got back from weak and Vegas, right? And it's a very good point because if you ask me what I really like to drink, like if I wanted to drink something, I like Irish whiskey, I like shitty Irish whiskey. on ice. And then number two would be like, I like to drink, you know, you and I like meat, so like I like to eat a steak with a glass red wine. I think steak with a glass red wine is like a reaffirmation of life, right? But what the fuck do I really drink? I drink vodka soda. Why? Why? Because it's a fucking drunk drink. And you can drink when you're at Vegas and you're playing. You can drink 50 vodka soda. And just be like, there's the water in there. It's the purest of the spirit. And like, if you drink 50 vodka in Jack, you're fighting the group. Yeah, you're shitting on the floor. Really? You're running. Vakasoda is like your rehydrate. It's a drunk strength. You can drink a Vakasoda forever. Also, do you ever get sick? Like, you know when you're drinking a lot of whiskey at the end of it, you're like, I never want to drink another whiskey in. Vakasoda, you wake up the next day and say, I'm a Vakasoda. Like, that's scary because I'm now so old and I've drank so much booze. And I'm like, well, can you drink 5,000 of those? Because if you can drink 5,000 of them, which is a Vakasoda?

I think that's what's going on. Brown liquor is a punchy liquor, my friend, and you know it.

Brown liquor is a punchy liquor.

Well, so Keela will keep you up, vodka will keep you up. Brown, brown, liquor will keep you punchy. You know that. That's what the fuck you said. Why do you think you said a fighter you got to kettlebells and kicking in the fighting to it?

It's fine with a bit of fucking burnt wood in it. But by the way, it's gorgeous.

Yeah. moonshine awake you up. But the reason why I like cheap Irish with some? Yeah. The reason why cheap Irish whiskey is because they run it through Pete, which is, you know, bog bricks that they taste like fucking grass basically. And it's just moonshine, it tastes like grass, and we're all fuck whiskey, I love it. It's just fuck a moonshine. It's like grapised, grapised, grapised, just fuck a moonshine. But they put it in the fancy bottles and shit in your life. It's fucking moonshine. It's disgusting. It's the same fucking thing.

I've got to say that we've talked about how the world's about ten. I've never felt better about humanity than I feel now. Because I've had a few drinks. Yes. I don't know why alcohol's considered a depresent because I'm fucking euphoric as fuck when I drink it.

I know it's bad for fat burning. I've experienced that.

We're doing a piece actually. Can I be fucking positive for once in my misery life? You're doing a piece that's positive. Okay, so my favorite piece I've ever done, I'm doing right now, and I was at this conference. This is my own show. And one now it's about to get it unintelligible, if I get into that shit. But I'm going to, so I'm going to try to get my last intelligence story out. So I was at this conference, and there was this amazing presentation. about a guy who is a researcher, HIV researcher. And they were like, well, HIV, HIV, you know, eats T-cells. It eats human cells. It's amazing at eating shit. It's amazing at eating cello. No, you're going to get me all fucked up.

I'm in America again. I'm going to have one more before I finish this. By the way, this story is going to fuck you up. So everybody turned it up now because this is important. Okay, so they figure out HIV is amazing at eating T-cells, right? So they say, what if like a pit bull, we starve the HIV and then we only feed it cancer, right? Guess what happens? It's fucking works like a charm. So they starve the HIV, they genetically reintroduce it. So if HIV doesn't eat your T-cells, it's not a problem to you, but it eats cancer. So it's a cancer eater. So I'm watching this thing going home.

HIV is an eater. HIV eats cells. Right. So like why don't we starve it for T cells and feed it cancer cells? And it worked. In fact, they've been in four years of trials, 100% success, right? And it's going, it's blood cancer, so it's leukemia. And so what happened? So I started saying, well, holy fuck, my mom had cancer and my stop mom died of cancer. Everyone's had somebody affected by cancer. So I'm like, holy shit, they re-engineered HIV. to go out and eat cancer. And then they're like, well actually, now what they're doing is to reengineering viruses for different cancers. So for example, the male clinic reengineered measles. And they're injecting like a billion measles into bone cancer in the brain. And you see one woman had a golf ball size tumor in her head. And then like the injector with measles. And the fucking measles eat the cancer, like eat it. And so the which was previously inoperable, just goes away. What the fuck? So there's in Houston they're doing it in Mayo Clinic, in Penn State, and in Ottawa, Canada, the guy who first discovered it was a guy who came across this paper where hookers who used to get cervical cancer, also used to get rabies, because they were living in squalor so they would inject the women with rabies and then there are cervical cancer we go away because the virus is eat the cancer. So this is by the way, I must be drunk because I'm giving you my biggest scoop on HBO that's coming up on our new season. But so I went to interview all these doctors. I went to say, like, what the fuck's going on? They've re-engineered these viruses that used to kill us, right, to go eat cancer. And I'm like, is this the first step not just for a treatment that isn't radiation or radiation. Come on. Pharmaceutical based? Yeah, the chemo, chemo, chemo, chemo. But actually, you know, a treatment that doesn't fuck you up, and then, and puts it in recession, they're like, we're looking at the first step towards a cure. So this is the biggest story of ever.

Oh yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Well, they actually, so they re-engineer, they re-engineer the virus. The virus, for example, the measles virus actually comes from 1953 and it's the kid who's throat culture, they took that we've been using as a measles virus for the last however long. These guys in Houston are using a cold virus which we're all immune to. the HIV one they actually reprogram so that it doesn't eat our T-cells. But what's incredibly interesting about that is these guys figured out that what happened was cancer puts our immune system to sleep. And so that viruses activate our immune system, so the virus just goes into the cancer, says, here it is, and then the immune system goes and eats it. So for the past six months, I've met the top five or six medical teams in the world as they explain the shit to me, and I'm thick as fuck, so I didn't get half of it. But what's interesting about it is, the first step to curing cancer caused by the shit that used to kill us, because measles used to kill like 150 million people here. Those are fucking worse than you can see. get. Now the measles brings all the fucking white cells and eats the cancer. It's absolutely fantastic and that's my happy thing before we get drunk on the moonshine. Give me some more of that. Excuse me.

Well, they go through incredible protocols and I wish I could have shown you a step, but I'm covered in NBCW suits and shit. They go through very, and they're making sure that the viruses are done in a correct way and stuff. But I've got to say, But how it all happens is that they're like, it happened by mistake, like it happened by like, oh, this fucking, we're working on HIV. That thing actually eats cancer. You know, and, and I think that, you know, when I look at stuff, I'm like, we can solve these problems. We can fix these problems. When we get on here, we're always like, wow, fucking Russia is this and ISIS is this. We can fix the problems. We just have to put people on it. And Larry Page always says the guy runs Google is always like, that's a zero million dollar problem. Meaning if it's a problem, only if you put zero million dollars into it, you put up a million dollars and it gets what you saw the fucking problem.

I'm gonna check it out because I'm fascinated with it.

We're on the right page at the right time. I'm just going to give you one anecdote of exactly that. Which is I believe we're sort of the same kind of guy we've brought in the same era.

Well, you're way tougher. No stronger.

I had a real unicational. I had to. I still am going to take you to find. By the way, remember that last time I was on here, I was like, we should go to Liberia to find the AIDS Island of the monkeys to guess what happened Ebola, so it's a good thing we didn't go.

Number one killer before World War I was yeah the flu.

I'm at midnight of my ecological environmental and whatever it is, evolutionary clocks, so I'm fucked. But if I could just, but hold on, but you brought up an amazing point. And I just, because I had to deal with this recently and it was a big deal.

It was a big epiphany for me when I said, I have a penis. No. It was, I woke up one night and, you know, I used to sleep fucking, you know, 12 hours. I was like, now I wake up. I don't know why. But I woke up and it was my daughter's first day at school, right? And so, you know, I got to take my daughter to the first day at school. And I was thinking about school, and I'd always been like, you know, I went to sort of public school, rough schools, and I think that's where I got to where I am, because school's just posted. It's a curriculum everywhere you go. But you learn the packing order. You learn a lot of other shit besides the fucking OnePlus one equals two. You learn where you are and what you're doing. You learn how to fight. You learn how to not fight. Do whatever you want. In any case, so I was thinking a lot about my daughter going to school because she's as a different life to me because I grew up poor and you know, she has a different life to me. And then I was thinking, you know, my daughter now is about to go to school for 25 fucking years. You go to school for 25 years. Why? Because you want to have a career. What's a career? Well, a career hopefully. is something that you like doing and you make some money and maybe you make a difference or at least you convince yourself you make a difference and you know you make it off money to maybe buy a house and maybe you can retire somewhere warm because fucking cold makes your arthritis or you can I'm literally thinking about like life you know because because you know like I went to school and then I worked and then you got a career and then you tried this and you know shit And I've been at war, I realized. I've been at war since I was five years old. I fought every kid in the school yard. And then I tried to get the fucking this and I tried to play football. And whenever the fuck out time was always in war, I was at war with my brother where you fought every day of our lives. And then when I got out of school, I started a company. That company I was always at war, right? All of a sudden I woke up one day, okay? I went to school. I got my career. I got to work with my best friends. I became a billionaire, right? Doesn't happen. I got the A plus. I got the fucking A plus. And I'm sitting there going, okay, I don't have to go to school anymore. I don't have to work anymore. I don't have anything to do anymore. I can move to fucking. My private island, put my amodeus wig on, put the fucking ponytail, butt, plug up the ass and ride my fucking horse into the shit. It's just got real. Now, why are you getting up in the morning? What do you have to fucking do? Why are you doing it? Now look at you. You were a fucking big star on TV. You're the number of fucking voice of the MMA. You're got a huge comedy career going on. You do whatever the fuck you want to do. You're done. You won. You won. You got an A plus. In the game of life, you got an A plus. I got an A plus. Guess what? I don't have to do anything. I have no more chips on my shoulder. I have no more demons to exercise. What the fuck gets me up in the morning? Right. And then I said, you know what gets me up in the fucking morning? Fun. Doing this shit with you, going out there and saying, hey, by everybody, you can listen to me or not, but I'm not anti-artic as fucking melting. And if I don't say something about that, then I can't look my daughter in the eye when I figure her craft macaroni and cheese would be burger.

It isn't. It shouldn't get there. It's good. But I can't look my fucking kids in the face unless I say guess what? We got a fix Washington Dunmore. We got we have to fucking do something about global warming or we're all fucked. Now me and you were still gonna be okay. We'll be all right because we're gonna much longer to live. But our kids, and by the way, and I love your kids, and you have beautiful kids, and I have beautiful kids, and I love our kids. I don't give a fuck about me. I had a lot of tough fun. I did a lot of coke, and drank a lot of blues, and had a lot of sex, and all that shit. But you're like, guess what? And so at this point, you're like, I can either write off into the sunset. and say fuck it all sit on an island beach and all drink fucking mascara every day or you can go out there and say no matter what I'm gonna kick against the pricks I'm gonna say this ain't fucking right by the way what you're saying is bullshit I'm gonna go talk by the way I'm gonna go interview Putin I'm going to interview Putin I'm gonna say what the fuck are you doing and by the way guess who I'm interviewing after Putin I'm interviewing Obama and I'm gonna say what the fuck's going on why cuz why the fuck not And that's why I always get excited about coming on this show, is because this show is democracy and action. You have millions of fucking people listening and guess what? Unless we say something, unless we wake up from our value and booze induced stupor, nothing's going to fucking happen. So why the fuck are you doing it? That's the question you should ask yourself from 2015. Not am I going to lose weight? Not am I going to read more fucking books? Not am I going to go where I sketchers instead of makeys? It should be why the fuck do I get up in the fucking morning? And now we're very lucky motherfuckers that we're post-economic and we can fucking say I'm going to get up in the morning cause of this.

Well, I'm the newest. I'm the newest of the 1% and I'm giving it all away because I tell you one thing money means a fuck of a lot when you don't have it by my old man gave me told me the only thing that ever made any sense about money said life is like a shit sandwich the more bread you have the last sheet you have to eat But once you get it, once you get that A plus you just say fucking, you know what I'd like to do? I'd like to buy 20 million acres and say no one's allowed to fuck with that. You can't fucking do shit with that fucking land. I'm just gonna fucking leave it because that's one of the only things you can do. That's a pure good. Just leave the land. Don't fucking mind it. Don't fucking piss in it. Don't shit in it. Don't put Joe's tuna barge into killer boom boom room in there. Just leave it fucking gorgeous because fucking that's that's that's Godhead to me is nature.

I have concentration camps. We're all good. But you shouldn't. You know where you should run.

I would say to everybody out there, the Joe Rogan would be the greatest political candidate.

I worried about money a lot because I left over 14 miles broke and I worried about it. I left over 14 and I worried about it.

Fairly medium. No medium guy. I was medium bad because you can't be that bad in Ottawa, Canada, but I was as bad as again. But I got to say like You know, money consumed me for a long time. A, and B, I had a big old chip of my shoulder. I would say what fueled me for 75% of my life was spite. Because I would say, I'm going to fucking do this and they'd roll the rise and say, Shane, you're fucking asshole, saying you're bullshit or whatever. And like, just recently, I'm, I'm gonna launch a news network, and I'm like, oh, fuck, Shane, you piece of shit, fuck you. The same family? No, my family. My family. My family is awesome. My family is not your family. No, no, no, I'm just saying people. People are the world.

Yeah, but not because they were mean or shitty because you were crazy.

Yeah, but I was like, I was like now as the same height I am now. I looked old. I was working hard to enter. I was screwing chicks older than me. I was getting drunk.

Well, this is Canada too back in the fucking day when it was like, alright, who gives a fuck? And it was, well, that was a punk kid. By the way, I had a great time bartending at 14. Yeah, it's the end thing and go stuff.

Yeah, once you'd win but when don't you sling coke at 14.

Well, I learned I'm all my business acumen being a drug dealer because it's pretty fucking simple. You have to make a margin and you have to do this and you have to mitigate risk and all this stuff. And then I went to Eastern Europe and I sold money, bought and sold money because you can make money. A lot of money in arbitrage, right? So the thing is is money was outsized for me for a long time. It was just, it was a monkey on my back and and success was based on money whenever. Now, the most arrogant fucking thing in the world you can say is, I don't give a fuck about money, because guess what? Everybody gets a fuck about money, because that's how you eat. But the one thing, and it was spiked on, is actually when we go away every once in a while, we go to the top of the mountain, and we fucking talk about shit. And he was like, you're too concerned about money, because I'm literally a poor guy who is concerned about money, and he's literally a guy who never give a fuck about money, and that's why he's more successful than I am.

But it's okay. I'm going to tell you something about being a billionaire. A billionaire doesn't mean anything. Because guess what?

Well, hold on, I'll tell you why, because I'm going to give it all. I'm not going to give it all away. I'm going to buy a bunch of land because I believe in nature. I love being people compete for it. And die. Look, and I was gonna leave it.

That's gonna be my thing. But what I will say is, it's true, it's true. Money won't buy you happiness, but guess what? Your family not having to worry about where the next rent checks coming from, you know, being able to fucking feed your kids all that shit. That is important. Incredibly important. It takes the stress away. But more importantly, it goes, okay, now, take all that shit out of the equation. What the fuck are you gonna do today? Right? With everything you know, look, look at you. You're a powerful guy. You got all these people listening to you. What are you going to do? Guess what? Joe Rogan can say, fuck you. I'm going to drive my fucking car. I'm going to go bow hunting. I'm going to fucking go to V.A. Kiss and fucking line in the beach. What are you doing? You're fucking sitting here with me doing a back-to-back podcast talking about shit, challenging people, putting information to people's minds. I don't have to ever work again. Why am I sitting here on the fucking Rogan? I could be doing USA today. I could be doing fucking 60 minutes. Why am I doing the Rogan podcast? because this is important and we always get to this at the end of the day is there is a movement of like minded people who have the a plus who go I don't give a fuck about the a plus I don't give a fuck about money on give a shit about you were a fucking you were a fucking biggest star and I'm forget the network but come on What's in that way? ABCC, yes.

The thing about is, what are you doing now? You're literally, hold on. You're literally spending your own fucking money to have shit heads like me come on here and talk to people. I know every time we get drunk, which I am now, I get all boozed up and says, but this is democracy and action. This is important. And by the way, you took your eight plus and said, I'm going to do my own thing, bitch. I took my eight plus and said, I'm going to do my own thing, bitch. We're not Brad Pitt or George Clooney accepting our Golden Globe lifetime achievement award, but guess what? Millions of people are saying, hey, how the fuck can we change the shit that you're talking about on the road and shit?

Like in my head, joke road and joke road and suck shit. But I've got to say, can you talk about a safe? I've got to say, if Joe Rogan and I don't get along, then the world will land.

You're being misled. That's the whole thing.

What you're saying each other. What you're saying is 100% right. I was so caught up in. bills and money and buying shit and not buying shit and being broke for so long that I got all I got consumed about cash and you're exactly right when you have this it could be a hundred grand it could be whatever it could be Vegas could be I doesn't matter what it is but you get it and then you go Oh, all that time I spent worrying about it. All that time I was freaked out all that time. Like, it's just a construct. We make it up. Money is just a bunch of fucking computer fucking blips on the screen. And then when you get it, you realize, and this is, I know how arrogant it is to say, but at the same time, you're like, fuck. Like, all that time, because I'm stupid. All that time, I was trying to chase the money. I should have been trying to chase something else. Because I'll tell you what I mean. Because, you know, Spike Jones, who I love more than anything, You know, he made adaptation, being John Malkovich, every fucking award, winning music video, every award, winning fucking conversation. Not everyone. He makes it.

He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He makes it. He and news is stupid. You can't make money. Can't do that. It's not going to work. You can't start a new news channel. We're the fastest growing news channel in the fucking world, Joe.

Because everyone's dumb. everyone will tell you you can't do something we've talked about this before everyone will tell you you can't do something tell you do it and then they'll say I always knew you could do it but the thing is is because it's difficult to do we have we're bigger than NBC and CBS news combined on our online viewership with a lot of the largest and fastest growing news agency in the world. Everyone told me I would fail. Every single person without fail without exception told me I would fail. The reason why we didn't is because everyone's doing such a shitty job. We're told it's the images, but I will say this about Spike. He said, take money out of the equation. What would you do? And I'm going to do new. If that's what's going to get you up in the morning, go to fucking news and tell everyone else to go to hell. which is what I've been doing, which is why we've been getting a little bit of trouble because now everyone's like, I like Vice News, and I don't like the other Vice anymore, but there you go.

Well, because Vice when we came up was like, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, And so now I don't know like people like I want to see people catching in the bomb bombs or I don't want to see your music shit or your travel shit and I'm like well then just turn in device news don't turn into the other shit. But the fact is this news became so fucking big that it's now coloring the rest of the brand because the rest of the brand needs to be used to be everything. And now everybody just wants fucking news. Which by the way, I love news, but I still like all the other shit too.

I'll tell you two things about that. And that's exactly right.

No, but I'll tell you two things about that. I'll get a hundred things saying you're changing the world, you're changing news, you know? And one thing saying you fucking cock, say what I'm like, cock sucker, I'll fucking meet you at 59th and 7. I'll kick your ass. So a beat and this hits on why I don't know about you, but about me and my life is that you sit there and you say, you know, I, I started I had a small company before and it was ten people in a room and you're like, Joe, you got the fucking photo and fucking Ted, do you have the thing and fucking Rosaledia? And now we're doing something on the order of 14,000 posts today. And everyone's like, Shane, did you fucking see what fucking rice ball Gary had put up in that goddamn bullshit? And Germany just said that this and that and whatever else you're like, I'm sorry, but I'm lucky if I see seven posts today. And we do 14,000. And that's the problem with running something is that you go, when it was just me, it's easy. When it becomes, I don't know how many people even have 4,000 employees I'm shit. You're like doing 14,000 posts. It sucks and I've got to say like when it When it is just you, it's you. But then it's not vice. Then it's not a thing. It's just me. And what I'm trying to do now or what vice is trying to do now is to have much more of a cohesive point of view. And ironically, how we're going to do that is we're buying TV networks around the world. We're going to make TV shows that then we then push out for the first time ever day and day with with online ammo, no one's ever done it before. And we believe we'll have the largest audience in the world online, collectively online, mobile, and TV. And then the question is, okay, great, what are you going to put in there? We don't want to put in a shit just between the ads. We're like, okay, who wants all of the people at the spikes and the harmonies and the use and whoever else? Now we're saying like, We can put whatever the fuck we want out to the largest audience in the world. We just don't want to put shit out there because why the fuck are we getting out of bed in the morning? And that is going to be our 2015. And that is why I believe I'm positive because I'm going to give it a shot. I might fuck up. I might not do a good job, but at least I'm going to have that shot and we're going to go out. We're going to try to do something that doesn't suck.

I'm going to say one thing, when we announce anything, big will announce it on Joe Rogan. Why? But hold on, why? Because literally, we've said it before. And I would challenge somebody to watch the directory of these podcasts. Because we're going to launch one of the largest TV networks in the world. We'll launch it on the Joe Rogan show. Why? because we're the same. Why the fuck would we launch it on today's show or whatever the fuck it is or who the fuck cares? And by the way, you only live once. We work with our friends. We do it with our friends. And by the way, we are the new audience. One thing I'd like to say for anyone who gives us shit because I think for a hundred people who say fucking Rogan and Shane doing stuff is good. When people say you're so self-congregulatory, the reason why is because Joe's a real guy. This is a real fucking dude who came fucking up. I'm a real guy who came up and half of it is us looking around going, can you fucking believe this shit? Can you believe where we are today? We're sitting here having a conversation with two mutual fucking dudes who just have anyway and millions of people are listening to us on guest but we're gonna announce fucking the next wave of media in the world together. Why? Because we can, and guess what, if we don't celebrate, that we're the first fucking generation that's ever doing that, then we should fuck off. I don't know, I'm getting weird. No, you're not getting sick.

But I look, not just to be a human being, the fact that you and I are having this conversation, two freakers always would never be on anything, any fucking other way. Even if we get in the shit for it, I'm gonna say it every time because if I'm gonna ever do anything and announce anything, I'm gonna do on the Rogan Show Why cuz Joe Rogan is the fucking man and because guess what? I love him and that's all the fucking man I'm gonna show again.

You don't need to do this podcast. Why the fuck do this?

I don't, I don't like that whole dick second thing. I don't like dick second. Criticism's, but what hold on, I would say. the hundred people saying, I love the rogan podcast versus the one dick sucker. The one thing I would just like to say is what I'm doing is saying that this is the first time in media history where conversations like this can happen. Yeah. And I don't think that's fucking dick sucking.

Also, we should celebrate the fact that two motherfuckers can sit there and go out there and say whatever the fuck they want. and people can listen or not listen. And it's never happened before.

You know what the also the big difference is? hundreds of thousands if not millions of people are out there. It used to be maybe it's three, four, five, six. This is now a movement. And that's why like whenever I come here, I have to go see fucking Rogan. Why? Eight were friends. Be a love your family. See, like, I don't want to go talk to anybody else. I don't give a fuck about anybody else. So I'm not, I'm gonna stop with the dick sucking, but but I would like to say this is the celebration of free speech and I give you total kudos because you don't have to fucking do this. You don't have to pay for this place, do all this stuff. Yeah, but I'm always blown away that you do and I'll stop there.

But you also have to look at you and and say, okay, you know, where's where's everyone else doing that? Where's Brad Pitt or?

But who's actually paying money out of their own pocket? to create a studio, to have dialogue. And by the way, I will say this, the only thing that really fucking matters in this world is dialogue. We have to talk about shit. And if we stop talking about shit, we're dead. And you know, you might not agree with me, you might agree with me, whatever, but at least we can come here and we can talk about shit. But you know, if you can't talk about shit, we're done.

Well, I will say this. I don't know. I understand Cooper and I don't know mostly.

But what I will say is, and this is a big deal, for me, anyway, it's personally, is we were in negotiations with time Warner, and we were in negotiations with a lot of people. And, you know, I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money.

I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a lot of money. I could have made a Right. And I fought very hard to keep control. I don't even know why. Quite frankly, that's that's beyond because this goes back to the one day you wake up and say, I got the money I won the game, what the fuck am I doing? Why am I fighting so hard for a control? I vote 95% of the board and largest single shareholder advice. Why did I do that? Why didn't I take money off the board and spend it? I'm not, by the way, I'm not sending myself up. I don't know the answer to that question. But at least for now, I run fucking by. Now, I don't run it perfectly because a lot of shit gets through that shouldn't get through and a lot of things happen that shouldn't happen because I don't have enough time in the day and there's a bottleneck and I have to get better at that. But the thing is, I was able to launch Vice news by myself. I was able to launch a vice news. We're up for P-Bodies and Poulches. I just won the Night Foundation Award for Journalism, which is great.

In any case, what I'm trying to, I'm trying to do a humble brag. But what I'm trying to say is what I'm trying to say is I could do that. I could say, you know what? I'm gonna override my board. I'm gonna override everybody and gonna override my investors. And I'm gonna invest in news when everyone says you shouldn't because there's no money to be made in news, which is true. But guess what? We did it. Why? Because it's fucking important. You're a guy. You don't have to do any of this shit. You're in fucking Hollywood. You're a celebrated motherfucker. You can come out here and you can not do fucking anything in fucking killing it. Now, what I'd like to say is, You got two medium old guys here who like a fucking few drinks and by the way, we're regular dudes who just grew up and said, hey, I watch Scooby-Doo when I was young and then I did this and then I did that and now we're just sitting here. That said, I believe that we're in the majority. I believe that us and people like us are in the majority and then we look at shit now and say, hold on a second. All these old motherfuckers are dying off. We control this country now, not only this country, but probably you know, the West, you know, with our money and with our politics. Why are we still doing all this shitty stuff? The only guy that does it weekend, week out and says why are we still doing this shitty stuff is fucking Joe Rogan. Now Anderson Cooper, what he does is sit there and says, here's the storm here or whatever they're. So he's a weatherman. So for me, by the way, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you right now, Foxy and Ann. up the ass and fuck all mainstream media fuck fucks news up the ass. But what I will say is will at least try I'm not going to just say fuck CNN and not try to be better than them. I believe in the first eight months of vice that we were better than CNN. We're up for all the awards, right? We are rating better than CNN. And by the way, we're not doing it great. We're not perfect. We're not fucking doing it great, but we're gonna get there. Well, you know, you know who they did. We fucking broke Ebola. We broke ISIS. We were the first in Ukraine. We were the first in Gaza. But guess who the fucking people I'm gonna go talk about that with is you fuck CNN and fuck 60 minutes. They had their

He's gone. He's going to do his own thing. That's fine.

He should do his own thing. He should do his own thing.

But he will. He will. Probably.

I would, I would back him except for the fact that he's fucking old.

You're not going to be also after that. Do you think so?

I'll give you a shot and we did a liver cancer piece. And I was like, I will literally give you all my money if you can fucking kill my liver cancer. Excuse me, I know it's in the mail because I like to drink booze. And I got to tell you, I like to drink booze, I like to eat food, I like to sleep, I'm a sensualist.

I like sensual things. Yeah.

Have you ever been experienced? I want to find that guy wants to be known.

You always live once and then you're dead for a long time.

The greatest thing about life is life. Enjoy your fucking shit no matter what it is, and then you're gonna be dead for a long time, so just do it. The older I get, the more I'm just like, I'm gonna enjoy the shit out of this motherfucker.

That set this goddamn thing on fire and go.

The immortality of the 20s is staggering to me now. Yeah. Because I used to, I used to just think it's all gonna go on

And they want to make a name and they want to fuck shit up and smash it.

A scariest thing in life is teenage boys. done. Because they don't give a fuck. I was a teenage boy and I would fuck the shit up. And every time I'm in, if you don't matter if you're an Africa, Afghanistan, whatever, if you see a bunch of teenage kids with guns, you're fuck. If you see a guy with a gray beard, you're like, I can talk to this guy. I can talk to this guy. Yeah, no, he's right. That's the scariest thing in life is teenage.

I literally can't talk as Joe Rogan smokes his strongest by life. But you're risky. We docked, I think. I think that the, you're exactly right in that. When I was young, I would tell you, I knew what the fuck I was talking about. I would tell you, I understood mortality. I would tell you all this shit. But the fact of the matter is, no matter how bad the fight or how drunk I was driving my car home or jumping off the bridge into the water or all the stupid shit I did when I was young. In the back of my mind, I believed I would never die. And even, because I hung out with this gang of kids, and a bunch of them died from drug overdoses, and a bunch of them died from car accidents, and it says sad shit. There's nothing sad of them in a teenager dying. But the thing is, is quite frankly, they all died from the boring shit. They all died from, you got wasted, and you fucking hit the car. You got fucking wasted, you know, overdose, whenever the fuck it is. and you look at it now and go, you know how much you missed man, you know how much of all this crazy fucking shit you didn't get to see you know and at that point you're like, look. I was the dumbest mother fucker on earth when I left home at 14 and I got progressively dumber and tell I was probably my mid 20s and I think when mortality comes and gets you and this is I don't know about you but it's hit me is every day is fucking awesome you know I I see the worst shit in the world every day with politics and with poverty and with environment whatever the fuck it is I guess what Fuckin' life is fuckin' awesome.

And hold on, and this goes back to our first point of, you gotta be healthy, you're right. You gotta, you know, have friends, family, somebody out there, you gotta enjoy your shit, you know, enjoy your food, enjoy your fucking sleep, enjoy your book, whatever the fuck it is. But the other thing is, if you don't have future, if you don't have, like, tomorrow's gonna be good too. You know, then you're fucked, and that's why we all have to participate in that shit.

But if I had you all over again, I would realize that every day is fucking just.

But that's how you learn by fucking young. Yeah, whenever when when you're killing it, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm sparring some of the best.

It's one of the things people hate more than anything. Which is Yes, it's true. And I've learned that the hard way because I like being cocky. I like guys. I like Sarah. I'm gonna fucking kill it. And I like other guys. I like being guys going to say they're going to kill if they don't. That's going to be whatever.

But I don't know. But I do. I like people being confident going to do in that shit. Chris, because he's my, it's horrible. But my old man always said to me when I was doing he goes, they're going to tell you life is fair. That's not true. It goes life is brutal. You have to be the smartest and the toughest and you have to win and you have to be there in the right place at the right time.

Well, because I have a huge dick that didn't come into it. No, he was just like, he was, he was like, honest, because that's the truth. It's fucking hard. Yeah. It's hard. And you have to have a little bit of luck as well. And everyone else tells their kids, it's fine, it's good, it's gonna be great. And my old man was like, I actually was gonna be fucking hard, so you better really fucking try to hit it because if you get fucked up, it's only gonna travel with you. And at that point, you used to turn go, honesty goes a long way. We were wasted, we should probably go and I got to get a plane.

I got an RS Holder on that.