Transcript for #868 - John Dudley

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Coming out July from Iowa. Deep, deep, deep in the Midwest. That's what we are right.

It was inspired by the lack of diversity in this town. a lot of white people out here folks white people in corn you know that that term corn fed that was created yeah for sure it was i'm having a great time out here john Dudley i've been out here by pal john Dudley and uh... getting some archery coaching and uh... doing a lot of bow hunting and we're uh... seeing a lot of deer man i was like made out of deer and corn deer corn and beans and white people yeah But it's awesome. The deer out here incredible. I mean, I've never seen so many white-tailed deer in my life. Definitely. Never seen we've hunted for three days so far unsuccessfully, but had a great time saw a lot of deer and today at least had a couple pretty close opportunities just You know, if you don't know anything about bow hunting, you have to be a certain distance from the animal. You have to have a certain kind of shot. It's not like a rifle. With a rifle, an animal can be 300 yards away. All you need is a steady rest and a good rifle and that's a dead deer. But with bow hunting, this episode is brought to you by Robin Hood. You want financial security for you and your family? Well, you got to make it happen. The world doesn't owe you a living and that's how I've always approached my finances and you can too with Robin Hood. Robin Hood pioneered commission-free stock trading over a decade ago, and they continued to offer innovative products to help you maximize your money's potential. With over 23 million funded customers, Robin Hood is helping people build a better financial future. Robin Hood gives you complete autonomy to make investments to pursue your future goals, whatever they are. Maybe you want to look towards investing for your family's future, investing for retirement, or even a vacation to the Bahamas. We all have some bucket list items to cross off and Robinhood has tools to help you pursue them. Investing a small amount now could make a big difference 30 years down the road. Take control of your financial future with Robinhood. Download the app or visit Robinhood.com to learn more. Disclosure, investing involves risk and loss of principle is possible. Returns are not guaranteed. Other fees may apply. Robin Hood Financial LLC, member SIPC, is a registered broker dealer. This episode is brought to you by Zippercruiter. Look, patience is good at all, but if you're just sitting around waiting for everything good to come your way, well, you're going to be disappointed and you're going to miss out on some amazing opportunities like your dream vacation. You have to work, save that money and actually plan it out. It's never going to happen if you just sit on your couch at home thinking about it. And the same applies to your company. You don't want to miss out on hiring the best people for your team. And luckily, there's an easy solution that you can use. It's zipper cruder. Try it for free right now at zippercruiter.com slash rogan. They'll find you qualified people for your role quickly. And once you find someone you like, zipper cruder can help put you at the front of the pack. Just use their pre-written invite to apply message to connect with your favorite candidates ASAP.

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So this is how that always goes. At 125, we had been in the stands for 630 in the morning. At 125, I got down and as I'm getting my stuff, we climb all the way down from this tree, John puts his thumb on either side of his head like bowl winkle to make. the classic sign of deer antlers and this big ol' hunk and deer is coming down the way. And first, a little deer came by and got within 15 feet of me.

It might be 10 feet of me. I was standard by this tree. Obviously, I'm in all camel and I'm not moving. I'm just freezing. And young deer and old deer, they might as well be a different species.

They don't look the same and they definitely don't look at you the same. So one young deer walked by me, didn't notice me at all. He was like within easily inside 10 feet and then the second deer walk by he was inside of like 25 30 yards walk right by me but then this mature deer came by and his color was different and he spotted me immediately and he looked at me with his crazed intensity in his eyes and It was so interesting because right away, I go, oh, that's why people love to hunt these things. Look how smart that thing is. It's just looking at me. I mean, I was frozen solid. I wasn't moving at all. And I was looking at him and he was looking at me and his eyes were wide like dinner plates. He knew exactly what I was. And he was like, fuck this. And he just turned around and bolted. It was the electricity in the air and the intensity of his recognition of me. It was so obvious. And I remember thinking immediately, wow, this is a really intelligent tuned in animal that knows what a person is. They know people equals hunting. People that are out danger danger the equal danger where the young ones on have any idea I took some pictures and I posted picture up on the Instagram We were sitting in the same stand the second day and this young deer came by and literally took a nap underneath us.

Not only did you not know we were there, like hitting him a shit. He just laid down. He was a year old buck. His mom was out being a hoe. She's out being a gang banged because they're in the middle of what they called the rut. And if you're a non-wild life enthusiast, the rut is one time a year. And it's kind of a crazy thing if you think about it. One time a year, they have sex. The entire year, everything's normal, everybody's buddy buddy and then all of a sudden one time out of the year for how long does it last?

Three weeks. They lose their fucking minds. They lose weight. They can't think straight. No. They run out on the traffic. They get hit by cars. And they're literally just boner crazy. Boner crazy. They have no idea what's going on. And they go bananas.

Yeah. Imagine I was the case with people. Imagine if you were like a normal person and then one time out of the year, you start growing a sword at the top of your head. And you just get your next swells up.

I mean, for people who don't know, they lose those antlers. A lot of people don't even know that. That don't pay attention to deer, but deer grow antlers fresh every year. And then once they're done having sex and they're done with the rut, those antlers get weak and they just fall off, which is what a bizarre metamorphosis was an animal.

And it's really interesting that it's like a, it's like fingernail type material, right?

Yeah, well, yeah, maybe years are super hard, but he said made out of why don't you Google it? Can you Google it? Yeah, computer's on the view. Yeah, we'll Google it. There are really fascinating animals. I mean, I'm a wildlife enthusiast. I've always been really into wildlife. I've always been fascinated by wolves and lions and predators and all kinds of weird birds and stuff. I've just always been drawn to like nature shows and things along those lines, but It's massively intensified since I started hunting. Let's see what we have here.

Well, just Google antlers instead of horns. Because what do you? You're a god damn. Yeah, what are antlers made of? It was like the second.

You're a professional bow hunter. How the hell do you call horns? antlers son are they antlers deer antlers are made of true bone that is fed by the covering of velvet wow you're right antlers are made of true but well you're right all the time Antlers are made of true bone that is fed by blood, which is carried to the outer velvet covering. Velvet antlers are hot to the touch with brushy hair and a waxy feeling coating. Dear need both protein and minerals to grow their antlers. And so I'm saying this is actually blood in them.

I shot a velvet buck and call rattle last year and it's in my desk in my studio and they said, how do you want to take care of it? Like when I was getting it treated because I get all my The head's done what's called European Mount style. The European Mount style is like if you see a mounted head on someone's wall with the the skin and the fur on it and then they have fake eyeballs and the fake nose that's like traditionally what you see I find that offensive. I know that's a doll. I'm looking at a doll pretending to be the deer I shot. There's a foam thing under there. It's got fake eyes. I know it's fake. But if you see the skull, that's a real skull.

That is a massive buck. Is that the one that you shot on your show in Colorado or in Wyoming? Montana Montana because it wasn't lighted knocks right couldn't you? Right. So I told them I think I what do you want to do with the velvet and I said this is scrape off they were like offended They're like, what? You want to scrape it off? I was like, there's antler over there, right? I go, what do whatever you want to do? Let me know.

But that's Denmark, right? I don't know any better, and that's like they're barely developed.

They're just in the parallel, they're just out of the caves. It's kind of the caves, they're a couple of weeks ago. If you're listening from Denmark, we're kidding folks. We've been up since six o'clock in the morning. Five, five. That's right.

I got up at five. Well, he was hot tubbing. Not with me. Tell you that. No hot tub of dudes. I got up at five. But anyway, we're out the door at five thirty. So we've been up for a long time. That's the point. Right now it is almost 10 p.m. And we got to do it again tomorrow. Tomorrow's the last day. of this fan-tabulous hunt here in the great Midwest state of Iowa.

Amazing. Well, it's a tradition here, and it's obvious. You know, when you talk to all the folks, the locals, our friend Craig, who is the local game warden, you know, gives us all the details and all the walls that's going down, your neighbors are a giant.

He's got a monster monster animal.

Quite a few. Quite a few. The sheer population numbers are pretty incredible. And one of the reasons for it is that they've done a really good job of making sure there's not overhunting. They also regulate the type of hunting you can do, where mostly it's bow hunting in Iowa. But you can shot gun hunt, but you can only shot gun hunt for a few days a year. And by the way, I'd rather have a bow than a shotgun. You can make a longer shot with a bow than you can with a shotgun, and a more efficient shot with a bow than you can with a shotgun.

There's a lot of people with blown ears from guns folks. Mine are ringing right now. Yeah, it's cams ring all the time too.

Yep. Yep. I know a lot of guys who have been hunters. They're whole life who have really bad ear problem. Renella has ear problems. Is this cam as deaf as I am? Not quite as deaf as you are, but he's got ringing problems. He's got issues. Yeah. It's again from shooting firearms when he's young without ear protection. I wear ear protection every time I fire a gun every time.

Yeah, I was never told otherwise except as last time I shot that elk I shot that elk with no ear protection, but were they ringing then?

You too tough for for your ears to ring. That's very kind of you, but not true. Because they don't have tough ears.

Well, it's not good sound. You know, people always ask you why I don't have cauliflower ears. I wear ear guards. I've always worn ear guards for 20 years. I wear ear guards. I have a little tiny bit of cauliflower here, like you feel it here. What would cauliflower is if you don't know? is when your ears get bent over or broken it doesn't have to happen from wrestling it can happen sometimes boxers get it you can get if somebody hits your ear if something hits your ear what it is is basically just bleeding and when it swells up with blood when blood sits there and pulls up when it heals it calcifies And so it literally becomes a rock. Like Randy Couture used to drive his cauliflower ear into his opponent's eyeballs. It's like a rock. So he's taking guys down and like he's clenching with them and he's shoving his ear into their eye socket and using it as a weapon to drive them down. But good luck getting some fucking iPod earbuds into those things, man. You can't. That's not happening. You can't hear good, either. Take your ears, folks. If you're listening at home, take your ears and then take the top and do this. Fold them down like that and then hear how different everything sounds and then let them go. Your ears designed a very specific way and that way is to catch The sound waves, the sound waves come in. It resonates off of the shape of your ear and it goes into the hole. These guys and I know, I know a ton of guys whose ears are so fucked up, they can't get earbuds in. They have to wear over the ear buds. Oh, it's super common. You're not really really common.

Okay, but yeah, but they it's hard for them to get your buds and they they're not going to fit. They're not getting in here, but how are we going to ear buds? Well, start with Iowa. Where how do we go with this?

Things can't on the paper.

I'm gonna go with things you can't unseen. Yeah. All the sudden they're big. Caitlin has big boobs.

There's a surprise. Surprise! Yep. There was a lot going on.

Yeah, we're going to come back and watch the fights after I kill a monster buck. It's on the books, folks, send the cards. I'm making a prediction. It's a big fight. The main event is huge. It's Rafael Dos Andros, who's the former UFC lightweight champ versus Tony Ferguson, who is undoubtedly without question one of the best lightweight in the world. And a guy's been knocking on the door to a title shot for a while. It's a really interesting fight because it highlights a real issue with MMA right now, and that issue's weight cutting. How failed Los Angeles had a terrible weight cut for the Eddie Alvarez fight. I'm hearing a lot of conflicting stories, but all of them really bad. Now I shouldn't say conflicting. I should say different stories. But of what went on when he was making weight for his fight with Eddie Alvarez and apparently he was in bad shape. Like really bad shape. Like barely made weight for that and was just really in physical discomfort and pain and just all screwed up from that weight cut. I think weight cutting is one of the worst aspects of fighting. I think it might be worse than the beatings these guys take. We don't see it visually, we don't see cuts in their face, we don't see knockouts, we don't see blood when they're cutting weight. So we don't think of it as the same kind of damage that we do from a beating. But I think it might be as bad if not worse. I would say worse. It could very well be. And then even more worse is the fact these guys are dehydrating themselves literally to death store and then fighting. Train killers 24 hours later. Yeah. It's unavoidable. It's unnecessary. I mean, it's not unavoidable. It's unavoidable. It's unnecessary and it's foolish. I think it's one of the most foolish aspects of the sport. And we were talking today with some of the guys at your camp about like issues with MMA and what the new owners are going to do now that the UFC's been purchased and I hope They institute a program to eliminate weight cutting. I think it is one of the biggest problems and it's a time bomb and it's just waiting to go off in their base face. And a guy like Hafeldo Sanjos, who's one of the elite of the elite before he lost any of us, a lot of people including me were making the argument that he might be the best lightweight ever. He looked at a knocked-out Benson Henderson. He beat the shit out of Nate Diaz. He knocked out Cowboy Seroni in one round. He's a fucking monster. I mean, he's a killer. He beat the shit out of Anthony Pettis for five rounds to win the title. Just rolled him over. Just beat him down. Uh, you can make the argument. He's one of the greatest, certainly one of the greatest highlights of all time. Might be the best in terms of like champions. And the guy was so depleted from his weight cut that he was like, Idaho is passing out backstage. You know, I just, if that guy died, let's imagine. I mean, God forbid, right? But let's imagine if a guy like that dies because of a weight cut and it has happened the last weight cut, the last death in MMA was in Brazil and it was from a fighter who cut weight. He died from weight cut. He didn't die from the fight itself. I think it's a terrible thing that could be eliminated. And I think that if we did, you would see better fights.

Look how good he looks at one seven. I think that's it. He's always been an elite fighter even at 55, but at 170 he looks like a world champion. Exactly.

Yeah.

She does it. This sheer strength will George Lockhart, who's her coach, who's a really, really high level nutritionist and weight cutting expert, and he gets her down that weight, but it's not pretty. There's a video of her struggling to make 140. The weight classes in the UFC for women as of right now, there's only two. There is 115 and then there's 135 and they've experimented with 125, they talked about doing 125 pound weight classes. Like a title at 125, but as of yet, it doesn't exist. Um, but I think honestly side board is said that really her best way class is even 45. Well, she's a champion of an Invictor her best way class would be 55. Yeah, I would say. Yeah, and there's other girls out there, man, build it and they will come.

I think you certainly would after a few years and that's just an investment that I think they have to make with women's MMA right now women's MMA is where men's MMA was when the UFC was first purchased because a lot of people don't realize but when the UFC bought that when they purchased it from the old owners, they eliminate the 155 pound weight class because they used to have a 155, then they had a 170, and then they had I think they had a middle way and a light heavyweight and a heavyweight still, but they didn't have anything lower than 170. So a lot of guys either left the UFC to fight another organization or they moved up to 170 and competed at 170 and some guys were really oversized or undersized for that weight class. That's not enough, obviously. It's really important that for a garlic mighty mouse, like if there wasn't a 125 pound weight class, which where mighty mouse competes, we wouldn't be able to see the best fighter of all time compete in his perfect weight class, or 135. You wouldn't be able to see Dominic Cruz. compete at his optimal weight class 145. You wouldn't be able to see Jose Aldo going that reign of terror for all those years. You wouldn't be able to see Connor McGregor fight at 145 and beat Aldo and then 55 to far for the long time 55 which is one of the most competitive and talent rich divisions in the UFC didn't even exist and you know, so I think that The UFC, if they really want to make that commitment for women's MMA, they should have a full range of weight classes for those girls to compete at. I think they should start maybe even lower than 115. I mean, you can make a real strong argument for 105 pound women's class, a wall five, a 115, a 125. And then I think really the trend of those 10 pound per weight class, that should exist in a men's division as well. There's two big gaps in the men's divisions are way too big. There's one, seven, eight, then there's 15 counts higher, 180 file. That's a big jump. And then there's 20 pounds above that, 85 to 205, 20 pounds. Think about taking 20, 16 ounce T-bone stakes. And that's how much bigger that guy is that the guy before him. Then you go 205 to 265. So think about taking 60 T-bone stage. Yeah. 60 it's stacking it up, thinking about all the horsepower that comes with all that weight. It's just, there's two, the gaps are too large. There's two few weight classes. So I think the UFC would be, there would be very smart for them to make more weight classes, do a weight class, every 10 pounds, and eliminate the weight cutting if they could. And I think it can be done. They're probably going to have to get rid of some champions though, not get rid of, but they're going to have to re... You're going to have to move your allies around. Yeah, I mean, and the people who are champions. Yeah, they're not going to want to do that. You know, you're not going to be able to... It's going to be a hard fight to tell a guy like Dom and Cruz you can't cut weight. You know, when he's the world champion, he'll look man, what do you weigh? You weigh 155. You're going to have to fight at 155. Yeah. What?

And, you know, he has no issues with it. He looks just as good after the Usada testing as he ever did. Look at Tyron Woodley, passes like a foreign color. And if anybody looks like they're some sort of a science project, it's Tyron Woodley. He's like the best built guy in the UFC. Clean as a whistle, just awesome genetics and hard training. You know, and then you go up to a 185. Yolo Romero is the King of the Freaks. And he's the freakyest freak that ever freaked. I mean, that guy is, if that guy's not on steroids, you just go, what? Well, you know, some people just have amazing genetics.

Yeah. I think that would help the whole sport. If they could figure out how to do that, If they could figure out how to eliminate the weight cutting and do it smart and do it over a period of time and figure out a way to establish new champions and new divisions and and give guys financial incentives to do this and just let them know for your own good for everybody's good there's nothing wrong with being lean if you want to lose body fat and you know and drop down some weight in a natural healthy way but this dehydration shit has got to stop yeah It's a time bomb, it's a ticking time bomb, and it's waiting to blow up in the face of the most exciting sport in the world. And I just think it's totally avoidable.

Well, you're also, well, if you're eating right, unfortunately, some guys like look at, You know, look at a big country. Roy Nelson trains like a madman, but he's like shit. You know, unfortunately, he's like a madman too. You know, and you can't say that it's just training because Roy's not out of shape. I mean, that sounds crazy to say when you look at him, but he's not out of shape. I mean, if you, if you underestimate in his cardio and you go, man, I'm going to have to train for this guy. That guy will beat your ass. He's in real good shape, but he just carries too much excess body fat.

Well, once he started getting into on it, he started getting into on its supplements and he started listening to real nutritionists and he just completely altered his diet. And for the first time in his life started supplementing, And you know, take me and get that up.

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It is, it is. I told you going in. It's mental and it's completely, uh, for a guy like me, takes me completely out of my comfort zone.

Just try to get amped up bro. Prepared bro. I was like make sure when it goes down. That's the other thing, too. It's like, there's all this time. I mean, think about all the time, you repract this archery. You know, I practice archery. I try to practice four days a week. If I don't practice four days a week, I get upset with myself. I'd like to practice every day. But sometimes it doesn't work out. But I can usually get in at least an hour or so four days a week. So that's all these weeks and weeks and weeks of practice and some days I mean if I don't have shit to do I'll practice three or four hours you know and so I'm just shooting arrow after arrow after arrow waiting for one moment where an animal turns broadside it's like it's it's almost like it's not as crazy as a fight because there's no physical consequences to me but it's more crazy in some ways because literally depends on one execution of one move. The one execution of release of a perfect arrow and the concentration and the focus has to be perfect and you have to launch that arrow right through the vitals of a wild animal that has no idea your alive. It doesn't even know you're there until that arrow gets launched. And that, that to me is one of the most exciting things about our tree. One of the most exciting things about it is how much it really does get you out of your comfort zone, how much it's so different than anything else you do. Because like a fight, A fight is more dangerous for you. There's more physical consequences, more nerve-racking. It's scarier. But you got some time. Like they shut that gate and they say, you ready? You ready? Let's get it on. Come on. Sometimes you get knocked out quick. You know, and some that definitely happens. But most of the time, Especially if you're good and you fight intelligently, you're moving around and you're avoiding trouble, you're trying to solve the problem and it's up to your conditioning and you're training to experience this thing and they try to get through it. So if it all goes well, you've gone through a three round or a five round fight. So long as case scenario for a championship round or a main event, 25 minutes. So in 25 minutes, you have enough time to figure out how to get it done. and solve the riddle and the puzzle that your opponent presents. One execution. So months and months and months and months, say, for a tag and Iowa, super hard to get. For most people you put in, you might get one every five years and want to tag for people who don't know anything about hunting. The way they keep the population's healthy is they regulate the amount of people that can hunt. So they have a limited amount of people that are allowed to hunt in the great state of Iowa. You get a tag every five years and when you get that tag, Do you have, is made days as you have off a work that you can make it out here to get it done? There's a tremendous amount of pressure and you have one beer tag. It all boils down to one shot and one wild animal.

Sort of, but you're not going to get hit, right? And you're punching them with an Eastern full-metal jacket, you know, arrow going, I don't know how many feet probably 290 feet a second? No, I'll be somewhere around there.

Yeah, 100 mile an hour fastball with razor blades at the end of it. I mean, that's really what it is.

But as a discipline, it's more to it than just the pursuit of an animal. There's a bunch of shit going on and I know people get tired of me talking about hunting sometimes and they, you know, some people who are like animal lovers or vegetarians or something, get really angry and they don't even like these podcasts. But I'm just trying to relay what's going on in my mind in my thought process that this is like a, it's like a meditation, like a discipline and this incredibly difficult task. through it, you're trying to find the layers of the onion. You're trying to dig deep into the heart of the thing to find out what it really is. It reveals itself to you. Even archery reveals itself to you through the intense pressure of bow hunting. Because there's like archery when there's a target and you're 20 yards away from it and you draw back and try to hit the X. you know there's a little bit of pressure and then you move the site back to 40 yards then there's a little bit more pressure and then you move it back to 80 yards who has a long way okay I got to concentrate then after all these arrows then there's an animal And then there's an animal and it's moving. And it's walking. And what you have to do is wait to the moment where that thing stops. And there's tremendous pressure. And there's tremendous responsibility. And there's tremendous consequences. The last thing you want to do is see that arrow fly and hit that deer in the dick and have that thing run off screaming. And you're like, no. And you realize, not only does it not kill it, you maimed it. It's probably going to live. It's going to be in pain for months. Yeah, you don't want that. No, you don't want that. You don't want that. So you have this massive requirement and massive responsibility of you and through the intense pressure of this discipline, archery reveals itself. It reveals itself It is a martial art, you know, and I know people don't look at it as a martial art because you're not throwing kicks, you're not choking people, but archery was developed initially for war. And that's one of the fascinating things about it is developed as a weapon, both to hunt and to kill other people. And that's really what it was intended for.

Well, especially when you consider the fact that you're shooting a light arrow through a target ball, like if you were using your hunting setup and a heavy arrow with, oh, that's hilarious.

That went a foot plus deep. It kind of looks like Quiglita. Quiglita looks like Quiglita when you ride a favorite had a baby. I wish I remembered his name. Look at Dudley looking all young and dapper. I was. So that bow is, you know, not as powerful as your main bow, your hunting bow and the arrows aren't as heavy and the heavier arrows get more and you're using a field tip too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you don't even have like a cutting.

Have you ever seen those? I want to ask you this before and I was forget. Have you ever used one of those Mongol thumb rings? The Mongols had a very peculiar way of releasing their archery, their arrows. The way they would use the release on the bow, they had a ring like a fat piece of bone that would fit around their thumb and they would hook with the thumb on the string and this was how they would hold it. They would hold it like this. like almost like they're shooting pool.

So most people they think of like Robin Hood style of pulling back a recurve where you would grab it with your fingers and pull it back with your fingers. But what they would do is that thumb ring comes out and they've wrapped that around and if you go back to that picture that you had earlier, you could see that picture right there. See that is where the the core, the drawstring hits on that and the thumb goes through that loop and then they wrap their finger around it. So that is what holds on. That seems to me to be a way better way than holding it with your fingers like this and just letting go with your fingers. It seems like it would be more repeatable and also that hard surface.

Could have taken a cock ring and just stretched out part of it. I think that is for sure. That's a cock ring. It is. But they used to, the Mongols used to use bone. There's like a whole series of them right there. It's pretty badass. I haven't seen any other people that have done this before. And this is something that I got into after I listened to the hardcore history series on the Mongols. I really got super fascinated about them and their archery methods. They, according to Dan Carlin, at least, and he's done pretty extensive research, their bows were 160-pound pole recurves.

I'm pretty sure the Mongols did. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they were at least the first adopters. They might have invented it. Well, let's let's Google that shit. Who invented the Recurbo? What do you think? Take a guess. Um, you're an archery fanatic. Who invented the Recurbo?

and certainly says who invented the recurpo recur I was gonna say the Greeks see so it says the Greeks Second millennia BC. Wow. The recurve births spread to Egypt much of Asia in the second millennium BC. Okay, so I'm definitely wrong because the Mongols were when you know during the Genghis Khan days at least that was 1200. So go to that Mongol bone Wikipedia. It's a type of recurve composite bow. Look at that. They had a specific type of bowl. A recurved composite bow. It can be two types of bow from the 17th century onward. Most traditional bows among Goli were replaced with a similar manchubo, which is primarily distinguished by larger. What's that word? C.S.S.I.Y.A.

The old Mongolian bows were used during the rule of Genghis Khan, where smaller than the modern Manchu derived weapons used by most NADAM and AADAM, paintings as well as at least one surviving example of a 13th century Mongol boat dude, I want that. Imagine having a 13th century Mongol boat. That would be those shoot.

That's ridiculous.

That's not fair. What do you wait? You've got a way at least 240 pounds.

You're a big motherfucker to be riding a 65 year old man. I don't think any 65 year old men should be carrying around six foot five dudes.

That's one that my break is back.

So the Mongols, according to Dan Carlin, they had developed timing where they would release the bow as the horse was in the air so that it didn't disturb them with the bouncing. So that totally made sense. So as the horse was in the air, that's when they would release.

Yeah, I mean, your archery's come along way, man.

Is it like just coaching pictures?

Wow, these people didn't even know why to laugh at that. But one of the things about archery, you know, obviously, I think it's like one of the most extreme expressions of it. But I had no idea before I started practicing it, how deep the rabbit hole goes. And I think that's the case with a lot of things. I think that's probably the case with most disciplines. Most things that people do that are really difficult. I think that's certainly probably the case with golf and some other things that I've never tried. But with archery, I just, I can't believe how much effort is involved in it. And I saw I posted something about it on Instagram once about how rewarding it is, how difficult it is, and how humbling it is, and you keep practicing. And this is you on this man. That's hilarious. This is how our form. It looks excellent. Considering that you're crippling someone.

All right. Oh, that's not the thing I want to ask you about. I'm sure you've seen this guy. His name is Lars Anderson. Yeah. And he's got this method where he holds arrows in between his fingers of the hand. He's drawing the bow back with John shaking his head right now.

Wow. You call him bull crap.

You know, there are ancient photos or ancient drawings rather of them.

I do. I think they would be. I mean, if that's what you did, I mean, think about the Mongols and the fact that they used that weapon so efficiently to dominate massive chunks of the world and this is a conversation we were having earlier today. Yeah, that was fascinating about the New York Times article that said that during Genghis Khan's day they killed so many people it changed the carbon footprint of the world they killed 10% of the human population on earth 10% were directly connected to the Mongols. The Mongols had killed 10% of the earth. That just, when you hear that, it just makes you think, how could that be done? How's that done? The numbers that conservative numbers are somewhere around 20 million. The liberal estimates goes high 70.

Well, if one group came along, that was that ruthless. They're willing to take it that far. I mean, life in 1200 was just particularly ruthless, right? I mean, it was a brutal time to be alive. There was no medicine, there was no surgery, there was very little at least, very little sophistication. And these people most of them lived in felt tense. I mean, that's the most of the Mongols lived in. I mean, that's part of the name Genghis Khan and he's his doctrine that he lived by was that he was the ruler of all who lived and felt tense. And he believed that people who lived in tents were superior to people that lived in homes. And those people that lived in homes, they sort of dehumanized them. They thought they were like, there were pieces of shit. They lived in a house, fuck these people. They came to live in a tent, like a civilized person. And you know, they were, they were really crazy. I always encourage people to do this, but please, if you're listening to this, and this is an at all intriguing, go to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. Apparently, now, if you go on iTunes, you have to pay for the wrath of the cons ones, because the way Dan Carlin's works, and it's only a dollar a show, by the way, folks, and it's worth way more than that. And he said, oh, what paid for podcast? It's not really a podcast. This is a podcast. John and I, we hunted all day. We had some dinner. We had a couple of drinks. We said, we got to do this podcast. So we sat down. We're just shooting a shit. Yeah. What Dan Carlin does is exhaustive research. And he works on these things for months at a time. And they're essentially like hour and a half. Hardcore history is the name of it, but that is what it is. It's a hardcore historical audio book on whatever subject it covers and all of them are equally amazing. And he this is the Hardcore history series on Rathicons is a five-part series. It's one of my most cherished audio recordings. It's fucking incredible. This episode is brought to you by SimplySafe. No one deserves to feel unsafe in their own home. Get a piece of mine with SimplySafe. It's advanced home security that puts you first. And these guys are some of the best in the business. They were named US News and world reports best home security system for five years running. And I think part of that is because simply safe has some of the most advanced systems out there with 24-7 professional monitoring and low upfront costs. Believe it or not, they have monitoring plans for less than a dollar a day. Picture this. You've been traveling for days. You come home to see your house has been broken into everything's a mess. They took off a lot of your valuables. And now your home doesn't feel as secure as it did before. With simply safe, that might have been avoided. Their systems and agents could have helped stop the crime in real time. Using this smart alarm, wireless indoor camera, they could have seen, spoken to and even deterred the burglars while sending the police. and you get to go on with your life knowing that simply save has you covered. It's time to get the protection that you deserve. Try out simply save today, risk free. Right now, the listeners of this podcast can get an exclusive 20% discount on a new system with fast-protect monitoring. Just go to simply save.com slash rogan. That's simply save.com slash rogan. There's no save like simply save. This episode is brought to you by Crash Champions. There's nothing worse than being overwhelmed by an unexpected car accident and not knowing what to do next. But as bad as a situation like that might be, Crash Champions is here to answer the call turning your bad day around with trusted collision repair. They'll save the day by getting your vehicle back on the road quickly, safely, and looking like the accident never happened. Next time, a wreck ruins your life, remember to trust Crash Champions. They will answer the call and make it right. Ask your auto insurance company about Crash Champions, visit CrashChampions.com to find a location near you. I've listened to it, no bullshit, maybe 30 times. I've just keep listening to it over and over again, to absorb all the details, because it's so crazy that way these people lived. It is fascinating. It's worth a bucket show, folks. Pay for it. It's not like my show. My show was a dollar show. Going a bit torrent, steal that bucket thing. This pay for this, because it's a work of art, but artry until modern times consisted of the sophisticated Leaps in technology were just like the recurve bow and more efficient and better recurve bow bows and better materials. Until the compound bow came along, which was when?

Okay, who invented the compound bow? Who invented the compound bow?

How dare you not be an historian? I just shoot. Alright, let's say. What does it say here?

Why is Oprah crying? Oprah's calling. Oh, shocking. Oprah secrets revealed. Okay.

Okay, why do I think it was Fred Bear? I think I watched some bear archery propaganda. That's why. Dang it all. Yeah, okay. So, uh, Holis, H-O-L-L-E-S-S, Wilbur Allen.

Yep. And that was in the 1960s. That's interesting because that looks like a modern-day elite bow. Inside joke folks! Just kidding. If you're in a leech shooter and you're like, what the fuck? You don't know shit about our treat. You're right. I don't. I'm just joking. Yeah, we're doing stuff. Don't get a, don't get so up aty. Don't get so attached to your shit. God damn it. So 1960s is when it became what it is now or the beginning of what it is now. But what we're shooting with now is these new white pro defiance and this one that I got literally three days ago. is the best bar of our shot. It's amazing. It's so good. It feels so good when you shoot with it, it's so smooth and it's so accurate. It's incredible how far the technology has come. I mean, we're shooting today out to 80 yards and I'll show you the day before that, 85 yards. And regularly placing it in the 10 ring at 80 yards. I mean, that is that's incredible.

We had this discussion on your podcast. You listen to this podcast. You want to hear another drunk and rambling bullshit fest. John and I did an episode of Knock On, which is if you're getting into archery, John's podcast is, in my opinion, the best archery podcast in the world. It's the most informative and it's how John and I became friends. We became friends because I went to Hawaii And, um, hoi the company that makes these bows. I went there with my family because I was in Salt Lake and I made, I don't like skiing, man. I don't like it. It's fucking boring to make.

They're like, we were going down the hill. We, my guard, I'll go, I'll go, fine. I'll go, but please, could you stop in Salt Lake City? So I could visit the White Factory. I want to check it out. So, uh, and I was in there and I was talking to Mike Looper, uh, and Mike Looper, one of the big wigs over at Hoi. I was telling him, I go, I listen to that John Dudley's podcast all the time. The podcast's amazing. I'm like, it's so informative and then Looper told you and then somehow another you connected us and next thing you know, you're giving me some coaching and well here it's funny because Mike's a practical joker.

We'll explain what it felt like as we've been using them all week. They're awesome. They're mountain bikes that have like assisted.

I want to say something, I never use those things with any less than turbo.

Well what's important about is two things one you can charge these things with solar power because they're electrical and two one of the things that happens in these cold weather hunts is you hike far and wide up mountains and if you're not if you didn't do a good job of layering so you might have like too much clothes on on the way up there and you start sweating and then once you get there then you're hunting so you're not climbing hills anymore your stop now your stop bringing you the fucking freeze And hypothermia is the number one cause of death in the mountains. It's the number one. Yes, it kills more people than grizzly bears, rattlesnakes, mountain lions, people fucking freeze to death. And when you're up there and you sweat and you especially if you were in cotton, one of the biggest improvements that people figured out was marino wool. Because if you wear marino wool, there's something about the natural fibers in wool that allow you to stay warm and return home. Is it? Yeah. Is it under armor shirt? Mm-hmm. Well, first light has an awesome marino wool selection. I don't know who you has a lot of marino wool and under armor, which what I'm wearing right now, they have a bunch of marino wool stuff to do. Yeah, if you had a ton of different styles. Yeah, marino wool is like, it's a it's big with the hiking crowd and outdoorsmen and backpackers and stuff.

Yeah, like I've been wearing wool socks. I always wear wool socks when I would do any type of hunting or hiking or anything where I know my feet are going to be sweating. Make such a big difference. You take off your socks, doesn't it smell like your warm? It doesn't make any sense. Whereas if I wear cotton socks, it smells like someone died in my shoes. It smells like a goddamn eco-tastra thing going on inside my Nike's. It's horrible, the smell. Like if you work out all day and you keep your socks on, they just sweat and then fester and the bacteria grows. There's some natural and time microbial properties of marino wool. It's awesome stuff. Very awesome. So, felt bikes, get back to it.

what's is very rare that someone specializes in something to the extreme that you do with archery where you don't even like when I do a podcast like in this podcast is a perfect example like many times during this podcast and I'd say well for people don't know that means this or for people who haven't heard that that's it you don't even bother doing that you start talking about AC 10 different can't see XK now you shouldn't because what you're doing is your you are It's a hardcore archery podcast. And it is, you know, catch up if you can, stay with it if you can, but you go deep, deep, deep into all of the variables of archery. And for me, it makes me understand and appreciate, I still, I mean, I've been shooting both for a few years now and really hardcore for most of the time, like really into it most of the time. Still, there's a lot of shit you talk about, I don't know what the fuck you're saying. It's so it's so detailed. There's so much going on, but also because you are a very successful target archer, which is, you know, of course you see in, you know, you see on television in the Olympics and all those different stuff, target archery, which is almost as specialized and weird in its own way as hunting as bow hunting is.

and you see that thousand pound forest horse with swords coming out of its head running over the top of the hill until you've seen a bugling elk in the rut just foaming at the mouth and gis and all over himself literally gis and all over himself I mean and this massive majestic beast that looks like It's like in the Lord of the Rings or something. I mean, it really is. Someone put something up on Twitter and I thought it was really interesting because it was from the perspective of someone who's a complete non-hunter. And it was just a bugling elk screaming. And they were like, the most insane sounds that elk make when they bugle. And the comments were like, whoa, this thing is like some mythical beast. Because it like somebody caught a really cool, like, You know, elk, like people, they have different voices. And some elk have just bad ass voice. Especially those herd bowls. Like the way elk works, folks, if you don't know, there will be like when I was elk hunting recently last month. Cam and I found this one bull that at the ranch they were calling the sword bull because he had just these crazy long beams growing out of the side of his head it was like a really odd sometimes he got odd shaped beams that grow out of these animals heads and he was the stud of the ranch and there was like he had at least 12 chicks with him 12 female cows and that's pretty small follow him everywhere That's a pretty small hit here and well for I mean I heard bull I guess but it was watching watching all those little satellite bulls hang around the sky there's like a few like hey girls pretty cool too. He's like shut up and then they would run them off was he a growner he was a screamer And that sounded they make, but yeah, I know it.

It looks like a combination of a stag and an elk.

Whoa! It's like a moose thing.

Wow.

So definitely not the 20th century. I wonder what they died off. That's interesting. I don't know. There was a enormous eagle that used to live in New Zealand. I'm trying to remember the name of it. Google enormous eagle in New Zealand. I've kind of trying to remember the enormous eagle in New Zealand. Because they'll give you a heartbeat eagle which is which is the the biggest eagle that exists to that you know you can just go like that and then like that oh it hit that down but hostile that's it that was the biggest eagle ever and they were so big they would eat people What? 510 pounds. Are you kidding? Yeah, they had a 10 foot win. Look at that freaking thing. Dude, 510 pound eagle with a 10 foot wingspan. Hello. That's straight out of the Harry Potter dude. Yeah, amazing. And they were so big and so powerful and New Zealand if you don't know. does not have a lot of indigenous mammals. New Zealand was really shut off from the rest of the world. Yeah, it's called HAAST Eagle. It was new and I believe they went extinct in the 1400s. I would have said it was a say. Yeah, 1400. And the reason why they went extinct, they were hunted to extinction by the first Maori, but that is a little bit controversial. Some people think that it wasn't necessarily that, but that the Maori ate everything that they ate and they didn't have any food left. but there were a lot of accounts by the Maori of them eating people. Oh my god, look at the size of this Irish style.

So that says 2.10 meters tall to the bottom of the bottom of the bottom, like before the face. Yeah. Why do they measure there? Why don't they measure the top of his head? So that's way bigger than a regular elk. Way bigger.

Way bigger. That looks like it's several thousand pounds. Look at that picture. These people next to it. Oh my god. Oh my god. Folks, what it looks like is a bull with long legs and like a moose on steroids antlers. Wow. Irish elk. I don't think cool.

Being black, bully, mammis. They need to bring back that thing and do it on New Zealand so you can hunt it. You know, that's like in New Zealand it's kind of weird because they don't have a hunting tags or seasons. for most of their animals. You just go there and fucking go crazy and shoot everything because they have no predators. So they have all these rungeless. Yeah, they have all these ungeless, all these animals that exist there. And unfortunately, that's an amazing animal. Unfortunately, a lot of the animals in New Zealand are also in these high-fants operations. So you'll go over there and they'll be You know, a few hundred acres or a few thousand acres to heaven and where you are.

The barely penetrate. Look, they, uh, backstrap them backstrap. Yeah, look, look where they hit them.

Terrible picture and even the drawing sucks. They didn't even know how to do our training with a drawing.

Oh, yeah, man. God. So good.

Incredible. How many hours did he cook it for? Slow-cooked it for 17. Something crazy. I mean it was falling apart as you stick a fork into it. But yeah, we We've been eating wild game. Amazing wild game. I think wild pig hunting is one thing that almost everybody wants to do. Like even Bill Burr, my friend Bill who's never expressed any interest in hunting. I give him elk whenever he comes and does my podcast. Like he came last week and I gave him a bunch of elk. And he loves me, he eats meat. He goes, yeah, I'd go wild pig hunting. I go really? He goes, yeah, you want to take me wild pig hunting? I'm fuck yeah, dude, let's do it. So I'm gonna take a pig hunting. Pig hunting is the one, like even my agent, my agent is the, she's the nicest lady. Shout out to Stacey. She's a sweetheart and she loves animals. She loves dogs. She rescues dogs. She loves cats. She loves all animals. And what she found out that I hunt. She's like, oh, I don't know how I feel about that. I go, but you eat meat. She was I know. She was you should hunt pigs. I go watch. She was because they're ugly.

It's crazy. Well, when you talk about how they breed, that's where it gets so shocking when you find out that they can get to full maturity in six months. They have a litter and I believe they're only pregnant for six weeks. and then they shit out the kids and get out of there and it's six months later they're having kids of their own and they can do that cycle I think three times a year and they can have a ton I mean they can have a ton of babies and they just keep multiplying over and over and over and over again and unless someone comes along and shoots them, there's not enough mount lines in the world to keep a cap on that. They're not going to be able to do it. Pigs are very smart too. They're super smart. They're super turned in, tuned in. They're eyesight sucks, but they're sent, so they're sent to smells and credit them. Yeah, ridiculous. Yeah, they smell you a fucking mile away and like, see you dude, and they start running. Head over the hill.

Well, they're so fucked up that it's the only animal in North America that allow you to hunt from a helicopter or the machine gun. Where in Texas they're like, go ahead. That is so Texas. You know, we have a hog problem.

Like what the fuck are you doing? Who will let this guy in the media?

Okay, okay, how about helicopter? All right, helicopters. Helicopters and machine guns over nuclear weapons. All agreed? Okay, next, next item on the agenda. So they just, they have this thing called Helahunters. And there's an episode of Pigman. There's a show called Pigman and Pigman. It just goes around shooting pigs all the time. He got the name Pigman and he lives in Texas where again. It has to be done. Texas has millions of pigs. They have so many pigs that Texas opened up a new road. I forgot where the road was. They opened up a new road and they had 40 car accidents the first night from people slamming in the pigs. That's when you know you got a fuck up problem. So this episode of Pigman is called Aporkilips Now and Aporkilips Now is a Ted Nugent and Pigman. You can watch on YouTube. They get a fucking helicopter and they shoot 250 pigs in a day. and they're flying around and they just like a goddamn platoon movie. They're hitting these pigs in the head as the pigs are running full clip and the pigs are flipping head over feet. I mean, it's fucked up. And you know they're not eating those things. The half of them are just gonna leave there. No one cares. They just have to do something, try to curb that population. Now if you did that with lambs, Oh my gosh. Oh with deer. You know, are any any normal farm animal? We have a hierarchy of animals that will allow people to do that too.

Yeah, bears are certainly the biggest. That's the big one. Yeah, but again, I mean bears, it's the same thing. If you go where the rivets live up in Alberta, man, black bears are everywhere. They have so many bears.

And the only thing stopping their population growth is hunters. Yep. It's it. But, um, so back to this apocalypse now thing. The, um, the, like I said, the episodes are on Twitter, but if you need to just, it gives you also a good sort. I don't think you'll ever get it unless you see giant packs of pig. What do they call it? A litter? What do they call? No. What do they call pack of pigs?

you know what they call aborigines um uh you know Adam Greentrue our buddy from Australia he uh he owns a mining company or does he company we does mining right it's involved a lot of mining operations I don't know that part okay but anyway he uh in he employs a bunch of aborigines and so uh he got to know them really well and you know he's He told me so fascinating, fascinating stories about their culture and their histories. Really interesting stuff, but one of the things is crazy is when you call a group, you don't call them a tribe, they call themselves a mob.

Obviously, it's just a different meaning than the mob. Yeah, not like the mob like in them mafia, like that's just a pack, you know, a tribe, a group, a clan, you know, they call themselves a mob. And he said, you'll have, they'll have one language and that they speak. And then 10 miles over, there's another group that has a totally different language and they can't speak each other's language.

Oh, but there's still being English.

Totally. That's probably where the whole tower of Babel story came from from the Bible. You know, back when there was not that much travel when you had to ride a fucking horse to get somewhere. If you're lucky, if you're in a hamland. So it's probably if you once you crossed over a mountain range or something like that, those fuckers over there, there's been to the whole language. Yeah, like living Europe, you know, you could just travel a short distance and you're dealing with completely different languages, totally different culture.

It's amazing. It's all smaller than a segment of the United States.

Well, that was put by Arna.

Oh. So awesome going back, Chad. Yeah, it's gonna spot.

Yeah. Why did you limit yourself to some little food?

So you were doing the hardcore backpack on thing.

Well, keeping those neurotransmitters at good levels is so important. It's one of the reasons why if I fly somewhere and I land, I do two things, two things like right away. One, unless I get there at night and I'm tired, I just go to sleep. But one of the first things I do is I do a 30 minute workout. You don't even have to kill yourself. I just I Minimum of 30 minutes. I like to go to the gym and just get everything going just fire up those engines blow out those pipes get that blood flowing and if I don't do that I don't feel as good it takes me a day or two to adjust but if I do do that then I have a nice salad or a healthy meal afterwards I feel great the other thing is alpha brain. It's so important to me to get those those levels of your neurotransmitters high because it's one of the things that affects you the most about jet lag and travel. You're the sleep patterns off and your brain chemistry is all funky. I take new mood and I take alpha brain. New moods great, but alpha brain is imperative. I have to take it. If I do a UFC, I have to take it. You know, anytime where my mind has to be fired up for long periods.

Yeah, Alphabet does that too. Alpha Brain gives me these whoopes are lucid dreams.

It sounds like you're having adventures. like if you're taking that much he must be having he must be on magical mystery tours every night Yeah, it's, uh, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad you got into that. I'm glad you also, uh, I know you did a lot of work with some of those guys down to honor the Academy and you, um, learned a lot of shoulder mobility exercises and shoulder strengthening exercises that I think could be really critical for archers, you know, archery is As much as it is about technique and as much as it is about proper form and proper execution, there's also muscle involved. There's also strength involved and obviously it's an athletic endeavor. You're dealing with your body and I think it's really cool that you're developing like a program of specific things that you feel would benefit archers, give them shoulders stability, range of motion. I know we did some of them yesterday with the club bells, which I find really beneficial for a lot of things. Club bells and one of the things I like about them is that they're really awkward. It's an iron club. So there's this long handle and then there's a lot of mass at the top of the handle and it's not a lot of baseball bat.

Yeah, I have some longer heavier ones at home that I've really gotten into. And by say, when I say heavier, I'm only talking about 35 pounds. Yeah. That's all you need. I mean, you don't need that. My wood, we're doing these exercises called shield cast. It's so difficult to do to take a 35 pound club with all the weight at the end of it. So it's weird leverage. and then control it, swinging it over the top of your head and then bringing it down with full control of it and pausing it in front of you. I think that's incredible for archery. And I think it would be incredibly beneficial for stability of your front arm. And having this strength to be able to hold your front arm there without any strain or any like shaking or weirdness.

Yeah, and especially when you consider when you do archer, you're pulling with your back and your scapula and then involved in the drawing of the bow and also in the making the bow release, the executing the shot. Another exercise that I think is critical for archers is chinups. And I think that if I could say one piece of equipment, if you could only afford one, get a chin up bar. I think chin up bars are giant. Especially a good one that actually comes off the wall. If you can invest in one, you have the space and you just get it mounted on some studs in your house. It's so critical, I think. Even the hands. Yes, the hangs. Well, I was going to say first of all, hangs are so good for your shoulders and there's a bunch of articles and videos. You can watch some videos on YouTube by some doctors. I was first turned on to this by Steve Maxwell. He told me about this. There was a doctor. This is a particular doctor. I'm sorry. I forget his name. I'm sure you can find it really quickly. And he invented this method of hanging and releasing tension and pressure in the shoulder joint because he thinks that a lot of the pain that people suffer from impacted shoulders is really just a function of our bodies are designed. We have essentially like ancient primate genetics and ancient primate structure. and one thing primates, almost all of them have in common, is they swing from things by their arms, they hang by their arms, they swing by their arms, and that pulling and stretching and lengthening of those soft tissue and those tendons, that's imperative to both stability to shoulder and the alleviation of pain and the range of motion. I've experienced some really great results with hanging from my shoulders and also from something that I learned from you which is hanging from a chin-up bar and then with my arms completely extended just contracting the scapula so just contracting and I'll hold that for as long as I can and then I'll release again.

There's a video of John doing it online, too. You could you could find that. What did you remember the name of your video?

But there's a ton of exercises you can do.

And by the way, that's also an awesome channel for instruction and you want to learn some stuff about archery and I think that might be one of the things I've seen from you before I ever met you too is a bunch of little instructional videos that you would put out on the proper way to use releases on a bunch of different things.

Folks I teach stuff and I know this sounds crazy we're gonna end this podcast. Dude, it's only an hour and 44 minutes. Dude, you only did one podcast. Listen, I'll be back. Just relax. If we tag out tomorrow, maybe John and I will do a fight companion. How about that? Yeah, fucks. That's a that's a big if I mean who knows if we tag out and So this one I'm gonna I'll email this to young Jamie and hopefully he'll get this up pronto and you guys will get it tomorrow So that's it for now You could check out John's Instagram page. It's knock on TV The YouTube channels knock on archery and all the episodes are up also of your TV show.

There you go, ladies and gentlemen, and if you're interested, you're like, man, I need a hobby. Pick up our tree, God damn it. And I wish there was a place near me that was a place that taught. You know, it's hard. It's hard to find a good archery school. And I mean, we were talking about that today about what archery clubs are like in England or in Europe is that they're like country clubs. We're, you know, people go and like the way people go to play golf people go to do archery and, you know, they appreciate it as a discipline.

Yeah, for sure. Anyway, we're exhausted folks. We've been doing nothing but waiting all day and getting up early.

Our eyes are sagging. It must end now. Okay, tomorrow we got to drop the hammer. So thanks for tuning in everybody. Next week, I'm back to regular scheduled podcasts. I got a podcast with the great Dave Rubin and I think that is on. Um, yeah, that's on Monday. Then Tuesday, we're doing a big election day and the world podcast live from the comments door with Doug Stan hope, Bill Burr, Berkshire, a bunch of other people too. I think Joey Diaz is coming in Tom Rhodes. Berkshire's on the podcast on Wednesday. And then the next week, I got a lot to. Next week, I got Shannon, the Canon, Briggs, let's go champ. He'll be on the 14th. Yeah, that's right, fuckers. Graham Hancock, I'm Real No Carlson on the 15th. I got a lot of shit going on, folks. So even though I'm kind of here, I'm here for myself.

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