Transcript for #964 - Everlast

SPEAKER_04

00:06 - 00:11

My brother and the man who got me in the Instagram wasn't for you over the abandoned net member.

SPEAKER_09

00:11 - 00:16

I still got like 40,000 followers and you got like 4 million.

SPEAKER_04

00:16 - 00:27

I don't think I have 2 million. Go to man. Whatever. You got me into it man. Hey. Slauncha. Slauncha. What does that mean? You say that all the time.

SPEAKER_09

00:27 - 00:49

Slauncha is like the Gaelic Irish Salud. Slauncha. Slauncha. S-L-A-I-N-T-E with like one of them crazy marks on it. That's a it's so gay lick gay lick is a what's a really language to read or try and pronounce some shit They'll be like somebody's name will be Gary and it'll be spelled with like 17 letters.

SPEAKER_10

00:49 - 00:53

They'll be Gary and it'll be spelled with like 17 letters.

SPEAKER_04

00:53 - 00:56

That was crucifix with the circle. What is that

SPEAKER_09

00:56 - 01:00

Uh, I was just, I think it's among those ruins and shit. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

01:00 - 01:05

Dude, does anyone speak Alec? Can you go have a conversation with someone again? Ireland people do for sure.

SPEAKER_09

01:05 - 01:13

So it's like, um, like, I'm sure it's a dying roster kind of fading away thing, but you'll find pockets that definitely do.

SPEAKER_04

01:13 - 01:18

This fucking crazy when you stop thinking about how many different languages they are. Like, if you don't much touring in Asia,

SPEAKER_09

01:19 - 01:24

Um, it really only Japan. I haven't hit. I've never been to Korea. Never been to like China.

SPEAKER_07

01:24 - 01:28

Never been to Indonesia. And that's not really Indonesia. Indonesia? Yes, sort of Asia.

SPEAKER_04

01:28 - 01:37

I've only been to Japan for a few days. You have seen. Oh, it's amazing. The people are so nice and polite and it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_09

01:37 - 02:09

One of the culture works. One of the reasons I love it so much, too, is it's like, you go to Europe. You don't feel foreign necessarily. You know what I mean? It's really the foreigner experience when you're there. I am now the obvious outsider. I'm taller than most people and I'm Caucasian, you know, and there's a lot of places there. Like I try to go to like I get the load down on a sushi spot from somebody that I knew there and then you go there and be like, oh no, no, Kai-jin, you don't serve them. You don't serve y'all here. Like still places like that, you know, when you're trying to get the down low Anthony board day in treatment, like if you ain't any board day in, you might not have no luck.

SPEAKER_04

02:09 - 03:03

You don't show up at that zero point zero crew. Yemen, it's just, um, they're so different than us in their culture that it's like this crazy immersion into like an alternative world. Like Japanese writing is so different than American writing to sound their languages is so different than the sound of English. Then when you go there, you're like, wow, this is like, look, I'm literally peering into a co-existing alternative world. Like, what if there was no different languages it was just language like everybody knew what everybody spoke right in your language was the the sounds that they make and the way they interpret things and the way they interpret things shapes the way they look at reality I sure that's I mean it's a weird like our cultures in a lot of ways almost like an operating system I think turns McKenna described that way and think in kind of make sense it is like an operating system.

SPEAKER_09

03:03 - 03:15

Yeah, we learn a basic set of parameters and rules that we all kind of by yeah, we're all individuals within it, but like there's you know, hey, you know in this society, this is what's acceptable and this is what isn't and here's how we peer it.

SPEAKER_04

03:15 - 03:32

And when you see something like we were talking about this book, Dear Reader, Michael Miles, who is on yesterday, who is just amazing podcast guest, but it was talking to us about North Korea. Like that's a different, totally different operating system. And that shit is going on right now. Right now, there's like a whole country that's in prison.

SPEAKER_09

03:32 - 04:09

Yeah, what's amazing to me is that that many people can be subdued to make that manner. Like where's, you know, You all you read throughout history is like, you know, people got sick and tired of some shit after a while and just bucked up. Yeah. Where are they? What is going on there? What mastery do these dudes have that it's crazy? I mean, look at that. There's millions of people that are starving and still accept and this dude's living in is whatever golden palace, whatever kind of lifestyle and nobody's really like trying to revolutionize or start a revolution or buck up and make them a coup would be a problem because I think the old guys around them are even crazier.

SPEAKER_04

04:09 - 04:53

Well, Maoist was telling me why. He was saying that the way their society is structured, everybody reports on everybody else about what you did wrong. Like if you and I were hanging out together, we'd be forced to report at the end of the day out after report on everything you did wrong. Like maybe you didn't cry long enough when something happened. Maybe you didn't express enough grief. Like, you have to, there's like rules to the way you grieve. People who didn't grieve hard enough got six months rather of hard labor for not grieving hard enough when Kim Jong-il died. Yeah. Woo! That's great. So they tell on each other. So they have this crazy culture of telling me that the podcast was fascinating man. That dude is a really, really interesting guy. Scary. That's a world that's happening right now.

SPEAKER_09

04:54 - 04:54

It exists.

SPEAKER_04

04:54 - 05:16

Yeah. And next door, South Korea, which is thriving and pop culture galore. Yeah, crazy plastic surgery. Those girls all get those not those all of them, but a high percentage of girls get their eyes changed. They get this crazy surgery that makes your eyelids, they shrink your eyelids so they don't have the Asian look, you know, they're trying for a more of a round eye thing.

SPEAKER_08

05:16 - 05:20

They're trying for a more of an anime thing. Oh, the big eye. Have you seen it?

SPEAKER_07

05:20 - 05:27

I think I have, but I don't think it was an Asian girl. I think I saw some girl on the internet who's trying to look really much.

SPEAKER_04

05:27 - 05:32

Oh, she did look like a fuckin' anime fairy lady, right? The part of the lady. I made this crazy.

SPEAKER_07

05:32 - 05:35

Yeah, there's people that go, dude. Like, how do you think like that?

SPEAKER_00

05:36 - 05:36

working.

SPEAKER_07

05:36 - 05:40

I mean, you're not looking at a mirror and seeing the same thing. I mean, this is this is giving you sadness, right?

SPEAKER_09

05:40 - 05:41

I don't understand.

SPEAKER_04

05:41 - 08:38

It's just body dysmorphia. It's the same thing. It's like a person who's a bodybuilder who just can't get big enough or a woman who can't get fake enough breasts. Like they keep wanting to get bigger and bigger ones. You don't see yourself how everybody else sees you. So it's almost like this episode is brought to you by Robin Hood. You want financial security for you and your family. Well, you got to make it happen. The world doesn't owe you a living and that's how I've always approached my finances and you can too with Robin Hood. Robin Hood pioneered commission-free stock trading over a decade ago and they continue to offer innovative products to help you maximize your money's potential. with over 23 million funded customers, Robin Hood is helping people build a better financial future. Robin Hood gives you complete autonomy to make investments to pursue your future goals, whatever they are. Maybe you want to look towards investing for your family's future, investing for retirement, or even a vacation to the Bahamas. We all have some bucket list items to cross off, and Robin Hood has tools to help you pursue them. Investing a small amount now could make a big difference 30 years down the road. Take control of your financial future with Robin Hood. Download the app or visit Robinhood.com to learn more. Disclosure. Investing involves risk and loss of principle is possible. Returns are not guaranteed. Other fees may apply. Robin Hood Financial LLC. Remember, SIPC is a registered broker dealer. This episode is brought to you by Zippercrooter. Look, patience is good at all, but if you're just sitting around waiting for everything good to come your way, well, you're going to be disappointed and you're going to miss out on some amazing opportunities like your dream vacation. You have to work. Save that money and actually plan it out. It's never going to happen if you just sit on your couch at home thinking about it. And the same applies to your company. You don't want to miss out on hiring the best people for your team. And luckily there's an easy solution. that you can use. It's zipper cruder. Try it for free right now at zippercruiter.com slash rogan. They'll find you qualified people for your role quickly. And once you find someone you like, zipper cruder can help put you at the front of the pack. Just use their pre-written invite to apply message to connect with your favorite candidates ASAP. So, let ZipperCruiter give you the hiring hustle that you need. See why, four out of five employers who post on ZipperCruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. Just go to zippercruiter.com slash rogan to try it for free. Again, that ZipperCruiter.com slash rogan. ZipperCruiter. The smartest way to hire a disease.

SPEAKER_08

08:38 - 08:43

And I think that, um, it's always funny because I've always thought I was a pretty fucking awesome dude.

SPEAKER_04

08:43 - 09:10

Yeah. Well, you have some good self-esteem. Should pull those pictures up. So check out what they do. See if you can see good ones. Three reasons why one gin plastic surgery for eyes, eyelid surgery. But show some like before and after. They're kind of crazy. Some of them are kind of crazy. They look like a totally different human. Like, if you went to high school, whether you black, what? That seems totally normal right there. There's been some extreme ones.

SPEAKER_09

09:10 - 09:13

But our whole face is different shaped at that point when you just passed.

SPEAKER_07

09:13 - 09:15

Yeah, well, there was more than just eyes done there, man.

SPEAKER_04

09:15 - 09:23

It's interesting. You're seeing that younger and younger girls are having that kind of stuff done too. Whoa, damn. Whoa, that one was very successful.

SPEAKER_08

09:23 - 09:25

That was a good decision.

SPEAKER_04

09:25 - 09:31

Yeah, it was an excellent decision, but how do we know these are real, you know? That's another thing we could be getting fucked with. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_09

09:31 - 10:28

Look at that one. This is something I wanted to talk to you about anything. How do we know it? It's like How do you know what the fuck is true anymore? It's almost impossible. Because everybody's mastered the half truth. I mean, I got a piece of the truth and then I spin it the way I want to spin it. So a certain amount of people are going to see it that way. That's how they really, the whole, I trip on this whole system right now. I don't give a fuck about Trump, Clinton, any of that. All of them, they're all lying crooks as far as I'm concerned. Right. people keep game on how they have blue states reds were like bloods and crips here they and they're making more like that every day like the hatred between this blue and red so what the fuck is this yeah it's like people got along just six months ago and now at each other's throats and there used to be a thing when we were young when the new president wasn't elected and he became president we all kind of sat back and said okay That's our president. Let's see what's right. I'm not saying we're not even going to get into the individual in question.

SPEAKER_05

10:28 - 10:28

Right.

SPEAKER_09

10:28 - 11:00

That doesn't exist anymore. It's like the minute this dude's president The next fucking campaign starts and like you just fucking crazy. Is it just crazy as I think it is Joe or am I just sitting at home? Everything is like crazy. And it's the world of taking care of these babies and going on tour and I just turn on the TV and it blows my fucking mind.

SPEAKER_04

11:00 - 11:16

It's blowing. It's blowing everybody's mind man. I mean, there's the weird line that's happening now too. And this isn't really even a criticism. But news we had an article that they tweeted and the article shows how Malina rejects Trump's hand.

SPEAKER_09

11:16 - 11:18

I mean, this was kind of awesome. I saw it.

SPEAKER_04

11:18 - 11:35

It was kind of you stand and slapped it away. It was cool. It is kind of, but who knows what's going on. Maybe she gets public gangside inches and like holding the hands when she walks. Like it doesn't necessarily have to mean anything. The fact that it's a fucking story that news week tweets out is strange.

SPEAKER_09

11:35 - 11:38

I think CNN had it on, I believe.

SPEAKER_04

11:38 - 11:59

They got a whole article after hand swat. I mean, this is nothing. It's like, they touch hands for a second. Back it up again. I'm no Trump supporter here, but look, Newsweek, I'm not, don't get me wrong. No, it's just anything wrong with what you're doing. I don't think there's anything wrong with putting this up. I watched it. I'm glad you put it up. I'm not going to put it up.

SPEAKER_09

11:59 - 12:07

You would watch it. It's not news though. We are all part of the biggest reality TV show ever created in the universe now.

SPEAKER_08

12:07 - 12:09

Yeah. It seems like Trump is the host. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

12:09 - 12:28

And this man is actually living out his goddamn fantasy right now. Like we have all given this guy. And again, I don't give. I'm not going to say hate, love, whatever. Fuck them all. It's fascinating. But this dude is like, King of the fucking universe in his mind right now. Yeah, there's nobody to fucking touch him. And that's the fucking that's why the show is going to get so hilarious. It's just going to be great.

SPEAKER_04

12:28 - 13:10

Well, I think he's he's not that stupid. Like he's aware that there's been a lot of criticism and he's trying to iron things out. But what he's doing is he's taking this approach that he's made become this real estate magnate this you know big tycoon big business man, which is like he was always this rambunkious sort of flamboyant personality, right? He always put his name and gold letters on these buildings. And we didn't mind that when he wasn't running the country, just when you run the country and you start doing the same stuff, like the criticism that he's getting is kind of, you can't kind of do the same thing when you're the president. And you can't like talking about our shows in number one. It's a bigger thing. It's a bigger thing. It's a bigger than yourself thing. You just know.

SPEAKER_09

13:10 - 14:20

In fact, you have to let go of self. to a certain degree. You know, I mean, to be a go. And I'm not saying, I'm not going to say you, one guy's been better than the other. We all know we have our opinions on that shit. You know, I mean, honestly, I grew up in an A's where politics and religion, if it was going to be bad news, you didn't bring it up with people you like. You know, I mean, and now it's just the hatred I see. Like even from people I respect the red and white red and blue. Yeah, they're gripping and blood now here. Hard man. Hard for their parties and it's stupid because none of them care about you. None of them want anything from you, but more of your tax money no matter how much they're going to tell you they're going to cut your taxes. You know what I mean? They're going to find a way to fucking get that money. They might make it look good to you. But hey, guess what, middle class family in 36,000 dollars, whatever. Here's Two grand, you don't have to pay in taxes year, which it seems a lot when you're in that level of living, you know what I mean? Yeah. I blow that on fucking sneakers. I'm ashamed to say. You know what I mean? But the point is they don't give a fuck cause they just stole it out the back into your healthcare or they just took it off the top of not rebuilding all the roads. This is their game. They run the game. And so these motherfuckers come up with some shit where money comes out of the politics.

SPEAKER_04

14:21 - 14:40

I don't respect any of it. I would like to think that some of them have your best interest in mind that there's just a crazy competitive system and that we may be You know, maybe it's just like what the system makes like the system kind of makes corruption because of lobbyists because of the way it's set up. It's almost like you can't pull it out of it.

SPEAKER_09

14:40 - 15:01

I totally agree with you that there's plenty of good ones, but it's legit. It's just like cops. I know a lot of cops and they're all good guys. But when the shit storms pop up, but when the shit storms pop up, they don't buck out and say like, you know what that was wrong and go against what the group of cops or politicians is saying either one. I could be either one. They side even in the wrong times when they shouldn't wear those voices. I want to hear them.

SPEAKER_04

15:01 - 15:05

Do you think this is way more good? That's where you get respect. Yes, I do. I do.

SPEAKER_09

15:05 - 15:08

But my point is there's a code. Oh, you're a code.

SPEAKER_05

15:08 - 15:09

No, you're saying that.

SPEAKER_09

15:09 - 15:31

Good cop. We'll fucking not shit on a backup. Maybe he might back him, but he's still, there's a time when you got a shit on that thing or that person or that act. And there's this code in politicians and in cops where they don't call out the bullshit. Yeah. I mean, and that's where I lose all the respect for everything. It's like, oh, and I just sit back. I'm on some carlin shit, man. I got a front rose.

SPEAKER_04

15:31 - 16:01

So the freak shows that I'm gonna watch it go down. you're asking them to do the impossible job. You're asking them to be around violence and lying and danger and they're the enemy. You're asked them to be the professional enemy to professional criminals. That's where you're asking them to do all the time. And so like there's a reason why they bond together like that because they're all in the war together and it's us and them and it's we on the outside. I don't think we understand what the fuck they go through. That's why they have this bond with each other. It's no doubt. You wouldn't want that.

SPEAKER_09

16:01 - 16:16

you will really would want, but there comes a time, you're right, and there's been a group of them lately in recent history. There should have been an overwhelming combination by a group of a smaller group of that group's actions.

SPEAKER_04

16:16 - 17:04

Perfect examples that Eric Gardner case in New York where they choked that guy who's just selling cigarettes. They didn't have to do that. There was no reason to do that. That guy didn't even have any cigarettes on him. The whole thing was fucked up. They were saying he wasn't compliant. Why should he comply? He didn't, he wasn't doing anything. You can't. And when you watch the video, was he not complying enough to die? You know what I mean? Well, I think the dude had like an asthma attack or something. obviously it was more like honestly I mean it was a choke hold but it was more like the way he was applying it was like a restraining thing more than it was I want to see it let me see it again maybe I'm remembering it wrong but without a doubt the form is under the neck like if I was not calling it in a fight I would say this guy's getting choked right

SPEAKER_09

17:06 - 17:51

Well, I just don't even go down. I wrote the point of this conversation I believe was just saying like, oh, that overwhelming larger number of good folks, whether it's cops, politicians, soldiers, whatever. Right. I do believe that exists. That the majority of them are decent. good people yeah but when the shit hits the fan they don't collectively say that's wrong and that's fucked up it no they all band together and say like all right we'll try and bury this and hide it or or just deny it kind of thing and that as a group loses you respect when people are saying, you know, that are interested in justice and interested in fair play and interested in that. See these things happen. They lose faith. And I think there's no faith in anything right now. The way I see the division in this country, all that there's no faith in anything.

SPEAKER_04

17:51 - 17:57

I'm hoping it's just a wave and it's going to come back. It will. I mean, that's what I'm thinking that we're going to react.

SPEAKER_09

17:57 - 18:05

I hope it doesn't come easy in really fucked up ways because sometimes when that wave crashes, it breaks. Yeah. You know,

SPEAKER_04

18:06 - 19:08

Well, it shouldn't. The problem is it's so easy to think that we're against each other. It's so easy to dig your heels in and argue one side or argue the other or pick a team and be totally committed to it. Whether it's red, blue, or whether it's black, white, people get on these goddamn teams. We do it men and women. Did you see it? It gets real divisive online with people, separating men and women, like criticizing men, all men in general, criticizing women, all women in general. Absolutely. It's the same shit. It exists, whether it's Democrat versus Republican, it's the same shit. Vegan versus carnivores, it's the same shit. People pick a fucking team and they fight for it. And they think they're right and they have many, many good reasons for thinking they're right. But I think all of us are way better off if we're taught about these team ideas early and recognize when you see them in yourself and do some like self-governing and avoid those. Avoid those and we'll find common ground on a lot more shit than we think.

SPEAKER_09

19:08 - 20:23

It's pretty much we can sum that up but like no think for yourself. Yeah, especially when you're bombarded the way we are now. That's another thing about how we started this conversation. How do you know what the fuck is really true? If you really want to know what the fuck is true or at least get a good semblance of it, you have to look at more than one fucking thing. If you read some story on Facebook that outrageous you and fucking makes you so pissed off. Maybe it was intended to do that. Maybe you should go look further. Look down the road. Look at a paper you would never look at. Look at it. I'd like to look when I get interested in the news, which isn't as much as it used to be because I have my own things, which I sure will get into. I try to be like, all right. I see CNN on it. My studio a lot without the sound because we'll be making music and we're not and mostly I just read the ticker because if you know nowadays news is on the ticker opinions are what are coming out the fucking speakers when the when the personalities are talking news is just the facts that roll scroll along down on the bottom and you know there's some spin on it and whatnot but I try not to listen to the talking heads because They, you know, Fox has two probe Democrat guys that no matter what the Democrats do, they're going to defend it and CNN has a couple of Trump guys. It no matter what goes. It's a game that players.

SPEAKER_08

20:23 - 20:24

It's a game.

SPEAKER_09

20:24 - 21:01

You know, I mean, they're, it's all a game. It's a, it's a television show. I was watching it that not too long ago when CNN came on after a commercial and the studio was lit up red and Korean stars were everywhere and there was nuclear missile launches like pictures in the background. And I was like, oh my God, the fuck is going on? Did they just launch missiles? And nothing like it had happened. They were just discussing the possibility of the future of if they got a missile that was capable. And it's like, this is, and people are tuned into this shit. And it's that. Like I said, it's on in the background because I just got for a bit of that breaking news. You want to know, I mean, it's reality TV, honestly.

SPEAKER_04

21:01 - 21:07

And again, it's what we're talking about people acting as groups. And I didn't have to above it. Those groups. I watch it.

SPEAKER_09

21:07 - 21:47

I do too. It's entertaining to me, but my, my, my, deeper self-brain, whatever you want to call it, the whiskey starting to fucking talk to me right now. So that has a conscious, my conscious, my soul, you know, evaluates why I'm being entertained by it and finds it disturbing a lot. Like, and wants to say, like, hey, man, we should all fucking take a step back and I love you because you, the love shit. I mean, I always have had love in my life. I've been a very fortunate man, but like coming in here is grown man and when I first started doing your podcast, you would always be preaching love and, you know, I'm actually a real good. The tough guy kicked a shit out of 90% of the fucking people around. He's not interested in it.

SPEAKER_04

21:47 - 21:48

He just wants to love.

SPEAKER_09

21:48 - 22:29

He's like, you life is better if you just have to start a media care about. It started me down a path, dude, where I was like, I've explored almost every religion. You know what I mean? There is, and I don't really practice any, but I have a philosophy that's taken its own good parts from all, right? And lately I've been reading a lot of Buddhist stuff. I'm not a Buddhist and didn't at all, but like this tick not hung guy and a few other things I've been reading. But these things are also kind of started here because connecting with you in a weird way, it may be open my mind up, which are like, like, there's a lot of things we don't think alike at all on. You know what I mean? But that doesn't, that doesn't fucking matter.

SPEAKER_04

22:29 - 22:35

But I know talking to people that I don't necessarily, but I respect that. That's like one of my favorite conversations.

SPEAKER_09

22:35 - 22:51

That's the best kind when you can get that. And that's the point of what they're trying to keep from happening in this world. Whether, I mean, just this whole online shit, It's taking us, yeah, there's a lot of great things that have happened from this, but this social networking shit is anything but social.

SPEAKER_04

22:51 - 22:56

We're working it out, you know, anything but social. Well, for a lot of people, it's just way too distracting.

SPEAKER_09

22:56 - 23:27

So a lot of wicked evil just venom that, you know, I learned from either very once in a while, every once in a while, I'll cater it now. I'll let it do no online, like, anymore, the fucker. You really don't know. You really don't know. That's, you know what I mean? Whatever. You really don't know. I pee addresses are easy to, you know what I mean? I mean that kind of shit. And you know what? Nine times out of ten when I do fuck up that rare occasion. It's a Joe Rogan fan that's like, hey man, take the high road dude. That's Joe. You know what I mean? I'll be like, oh fuck yeah, alright, you're right. And I'll, and boom, that's over.

SPEAKER_07

23:27 - 23:29

Yeah, that kind of thing. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09

23:29 - 23:37

This show is being like a real serious not just to show you me and you having a little friendship because I'm hung out with you a lot since it's been three years. We've had a lot though.

SPEAKER_04

23:37 - 23:40

That's where we're trying to figure it out. We're like, why does it not feel like through Wales?

SPEAKER_09

23:40 - 24:09

Let me take three years now since since. I couldn't come in for a while. And I explained this to you on the phone, and when we hung out a couple times, my mother was passing from Alzheimer's, and then when she did pass, it's like, I was emotionally incapable. If I were to, I couldn't even have said those words, I would have been a blubbering idiot on your show. And you know, you know, whatever some people might have been like, hey, that would have been great, really. You know, you know, we, you, we're the one to say, hey, get your shit together, do you know what I mean? Because I wanted to come in and be on top of that.

SPEAKER_04

24:09 - 24:11

I said it like that. That would be like, joke, you shit together.

SPEAKER_02

24:11 - 24:12

So your mom's dead. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_08

24:14 - 24:15

It's us talking, you know?

SPEAKER_04

24:15 - 24:17

Yeah, that's not. I said it. I know what you mean.

SPEAKER_09

24:17 - 24:37

But it would be more like, you know, because it was the last four years probably. Started probably the last, right before I stopped, the last time I came on the show, there was like a big lawsuit over jump around that I actually wound up winning. But like, if Rose money that I depend on Right. Like mailbox money we call that.

SPEAKER_00

24:37 - 24:38

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09

24:38 - 24:40

Those checks. They just kind of come in and jump around.

SPEAKER_04

24:40 - 24:44

It's been really good to me. Dude, jump around is one of my favorite hip-hop.

SPEAKER_09

24:44 - 24:49

It's 25th anniversary this year, the whole first album. So, but point being, so I got the idea.

SPEAKER_04

24:49 - 24:53

When I first started hanging out with you because I was such a fan of that song, I was like, can't believe I know this dude.

SPEAKER_09

24:53 - 25:00

I remember you were weirded out when I lit a joint in the club in Vegas. And you were like, what are you doing? I was like, what do you mean what am I doing? I'm lying to the joint.

SPEAKER_03

25:00 - 25:02

No, we tell we split out, went down.

SPEAKER_04

25:03 - 25:08

Ever less goes he goes you want to get high I go fuck yeah and and I go where you want to go he goes go

SPEAKER_03

25:11 - 25:18

He goes, yo, we ain't going nowhere. It's like, it's the joy. Nobody looks to be like sideways, like, go.

SPEAKER_04

25:18 - 25:31

Sparkship right in the club. And I was like, oh, this is hilarious. And that was the night. Wasn't that that same night that you performed on stage? And there was a bunch of musicians that had never worked together on stage, Dave Navarro.

SPEAKER_09

25:31 - 25:38

Oh, yeah, that was, they had camp Freddy. They had like a band where they just did a bunch of covers. And they, I'm gonna be fucked up and they were calling.

SPEAKER_02

25:38 - 25:40

When you call it me a bunch of times they'll finish.

SPEAKER_09

25:40 - 25:46

It never lasted in the house right now like three or four times but what it was like to what it's like and yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03

25:46 - 25:51

That was a fucking high broken night. That's us.

SPEAKER_04

25:51 - 25:56

Oh, we're barbecues. Oh my god, I can't see my eyes.

SPEAKER_02

25:56 - 26:00

That's exactly the spot we were smoking the joint in, too, right? That's exactly where it was, man.

SPEAKER_04

26:02 - 26:07

I just never remember you looking at me sideways and going, go, go, go, go, what?

SPEAKER_09

26:07 - 26:27

Behind the bathroom and smoke a joint, man. Get the fuck out of here. I took way too good for that bullshit. Especially in Vegas. Like, if any place in the world you're gonna be outlandish tipper, be there because you'll get away with murder, almost literally. And that the valigus will say like, all right, you're the cops are on their way. You better get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_04

26:27 - 26:46

I'm sure they want to keep them choice coming. Cops are coming with you like it or not. Imagine being a carbon vagus. Jesus Christ. Who are you guys? How many people do they have done their robin? Because he knows and shit crazy movie style. with masks on and machine guns and shit, taking over casinos.

SPEAKER_09

26:46 - 27:13

But, oh, I was talking about, so that, I was like, so my money got frozen, so I was having a bus, my ass crazy heart, like, on the road, trying to make up the difference for a while. And then my mother started going way down hill kind of fast over two years. It's like dealing with that. That is, anybody going through that is, you know, gets, I mean, there's a lot of things they go on in my life that get my heart sent out to those people. Watching somebody you love just, disappear with, it was tough.

SPEAKER_04

27:13 - 27:14

Yeah, that was effective, right?

SPEAKER_08

27:14 - 27:18

It changed your perspective. You realize that this is how it ends.

SPEAKER_09

27:18 - 29:20

I had a lot of guilt involved because with a kid with CF, I couldn't have my mom in home with a nurse and any infections that she, you know, she was getting along infections all the time. So I had her in a home, a really beautiful home. They took a magnificent care of my mother, but there was a lot of guilt. I was, I was fricking for a while, like with a lot of darkness that I was swimming through and as I guys just wasn't good for me to come through and then you know, and then after she passed and like Layla has just been like learning, you know, I'm only just me and my wife now, it's she's seven years old and I think I'm not saying we got anything lit or cut, but like the life we have to live. we've been able to figure out with a stick fight process with the cystic fibrosis. Oh, cuz it's all. I mean, it's heavy. There's a lot of shit. You got to worry about infections and any common cold, cause center of the hot. It's like so much pressure on a person. to do that. It's my wife and I like, you know, I won't fucking make it funny. We've been very close to the brink a few times, but we finally got into a stage where it's like, nah, none of that's going to break us. You know what I mean? We're good and we're good in this life and we accept where we are and we're going to make sure this young lady is going to make it. That's beautiful as deep in this far into this life as she can, you know, and it's been some medical innovations too, right? They're working on some stuff, man. There's there's a couple drugs that aren't quite for her yet because this drug has in the on the DNA level of the chain. There's there's mutations. Layla has two different mutations. One's called the Delta F. I believe it is you got me high and a little bit drunk here, but like no no no people know people who know no it's easy to find out she has the most common one like Delta 508 and then she has this other weird kind of off shoot one. There's one for some people have a double what they call a double Delta. There's a drug right now that's really working well for the people with the double Delta. They're starting to experiment it on on it for people with the single.

SPEAKER_04

29:20 - 29:22

Now does she have to be on some special diet?

SPEAKER_09

29:22 - 30:43

Like, uh, the only diet we just need her. She needs to do. They have a problem gaining weights, cystic fibrosis. They, um, they don't process fats properly. They have to take enzymes with everything they eat. So gaining weights are real serious issue. Um, Leila actually has a G2, but feeding to that she gets six shake protein shakes a day pumped into our stomach. She again, if you my daughter very rarely is down about this, she'll have her moments don't get me wrong where it's like frustration and anger over food, but It's this is life. She's never known anything else. So it's like at the same time. Like we post a lot about it. We made that decision. Leyla has her own page. People are free to try and follow it if my wife will approve you if you can get by the security clearance. Her thing is Leyla L-A-I-L-A-B-D-O-Nine. She wanted her own page because we started. I've never posted anything without asking her. Right. Even when she was like barely able to understand, I tried to be like, can I post this picture? A lot of people will see it. And she said, OK, Daddy. And now she's sharp. And about a year or so ago, she was like, I want my own Instagram page. I want to share my life like cystic fibrosis with people. And so she's doing that. And this is May actually a cystic fibrosis awareness month. So we've been posting and she happened to be in the hospital the last 10 days. She's home right now recovering.

SPEAKER_04

30:44 - 30:49

I said you an article on a cyst of fibrosis treatment. What was that?

SPEAKER_09

30:49 - 31:16

As a while ago, I don't know, but my wife and I are, I did it involves CBDs. I don't remember because I, if you read it, send me things and we're investigating some stuff on that level right now because There are a lot of good things going along with this, because it's one of the best anti-inflammatories there are with no side effects and all kinds of stuff. We're not using it on my daughter yet, but we're investigating what kind of uses there are. I forget I might have to go back through my emails or whatnot. So I remember you did send me something.

SPEAKER_04

31:16 - 31:19

I don't remember if it was CBDs or stem cells or some shit.

SPEAKER_09

31:19 - 32:41

All levels right now, there are a lot of levels they're working on. On the stem cell level, there's a lot of things going on where it's like if they can correct things on a cellular level at some point, it's going to be Yeah, there's never going to be a cure to genetic disease. So you can't say cure in that sense, you know what I mean? Like the way it works is My two people that father to child have to each have the gene. So me and my wife are known as what are known as carriers, which we never knew because we searched our whole history after we found out nobody in my family's ever, ever had this. Nobody in her family's ever, ever had this. But we're known as what's carriers. So when we got together and we had a child, there's a one in four chance that child's going to have cystic fibrosis. There's a two in four chance they're going to be a carrier. There's a one in four chance. They have no nothing at all, which is our other daughter, Sadie. So we kind of represent the whole spectrum. Yeah, our family, you know, Lila, her mom and me and Sadie, which is another reason I go, I'm not having six kids because I love being a dad, but it's like two cystic fibrosis children in the same household is even, and a lot of people do it. It's hard because they pass infections and it's very, I can't even imagine how the people with multiple two or three kids with cystic fibrosis pull it off. I'm at hats off because I know what it's like with just one.

SPEAKER_04

32:41 - 32:49

That's gotta be um, not just that must be changing you as a person. Like think about like how much more compassionate.

SPEAKER_09

32:49 - 33:58

This is made you and how much more appreciative of hell I've had to also accept and learn how to deal with a lot of anger. A lot of anger. I consider myself a pretty spiritual person. Like I said, I've explored a lot of religions. I find religions confining. I believe in a greater power, a greater highlight, whatever. Something bigger than us. I kind of believe in that. Whether you want to call it God or just our connected collective energy. I mean, whatever it might be. somewhere in between their lives something greater than us. Um, I felt for another reason the last three years is is, um, what's the captain's name in, uh, in Forest Gump? Captain Ed is, or no, Captain, oh, what's the captain's name? Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain, Captain that this is what you're going to do to this little kid, you know, I'm watching my child suffer, you know what I mean? And there's greater, there's huge injustices in the world. And let me tell you another thing, having to take my daughter to children's hospitals all the time, I see people that have it worse.

SPEAKER_04

33:58 - 33:59

Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09

34:02 - 34:04

I don't know him personally, but I'm a huge fan.

SPEAKER_04

34:04 - 34:50

He's a great dude, but one of the things he said to me, I'll never forget, he was talking about the secret. Do you remember when the secret was this big movie? The most important attraction and people were going to manifest their own destiny and they were going to make it happen and everything in your life you created in your mind. And he was like, fuck you. You're telling a young sick kid that she made that herself. She made that. She made herself have leukemia. She made herself have cancer. You're telling me that. Fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. And when he said that, I was like, wow, I never thought about it that way. But he's totally right. That's exactly what it is. Like you can't, that's ridiculous. You're dealing with a bunch of people that have become successful and told you why, because I saw it happening. What about the people that saw it happening and didn't happen?

SPEAKER_09

34:51 - 34:53

This is bullshit or a far greater number.

SPEAKER_04

34:53 - 35:17

Yeah, it's a part of life. It's not the whole key to manufacturing a life. It's an excellent like having a positive person being healthy, having a good vision and focus. All those things are like contributing factors. But kids that are sick are the monkey ranch and any idea that we've created our own reality. I don't, but you can't make a baby responsible for cancer. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_09

35:17 - 36:45

You also can't make a God responsible for like, God has a plan. You know what? Sometimes there's not a fucking plan. Sometimes there's a glitch in the goddamn matrix. And you just gotta deal with it. You know, you gotta handle it. And the more important thing for me, That second most important thing in my life other than keeping Laila as healthy as possible is making sure she knows that she can still achieve and all that she can, you know, she's out of age now where like she kind of and I, you know, I'm not trying to have her hate me in 10 years if she ever hears this like for giving up her business. But like she's in a stage right now where she's very resentful of She expresses it well. She'll say, I hate this. I hate that I have this. I just want to be normal. I just want to have a normal life. And it fucking rips your heart out, man. But you can't, you have to say, hey, hey, you are normal. This is your life. Your life is normal. It's like, I'm a big carling guy. You know, I know your study student of it. But it's like, he had his routine where it's like about being homemade or all natural. He's like, everything's fucking all natural. But what you do with it, it's all fucking natural. And that's kind of how I try to approach it, whether it's like you are normal. This is your normal life. You're not any better or worse. There's fights people fight that you don't even see, Leyla. You know what I'm saying? Yours is obvious. Yours is here right here in front of you to fight. Some people are gonna fight demons, don't ever meet.

SPEAKER_04

36:45 - 36:50

Yeah, this is a phrase on that. What is it? Comparison is the enemy of happiness.

SPEAKER_07

36:51 - 36:54

Thank you. I'm thinking going to use that job.

SPEAKER_04

36:54 - 37:12

Thank you. That's I'm going to look it up and I'm going to find out who's quote that was comparison is the enemy of happiness. I really like that. That's a that's a very useful The inspiration sentence. You should get inspiration from other people, but comparison is not really healthy. Who was it?

SPEAKER_08

37:12 - 37:15

A state or a Roosevelt comparison is the thief of joy.

SPEAKER_04

37:15 - 37:23

Oh, there you go. Perfect. That's how somebody else wins it. Probably me. I probably fucked it up. But that's even better. Yeah. God damn theater Roosevelt. You bad motherfucker.

SPEAKER_09

37:23 - 37:31

He was a bad ass motherfucker, right? And with a chart and up the hill and saying, Juan, all that shit man, right? Com out the first Roosevelt theater or the other one.

SPEAKER_04

37:32 - 37:41

Well, this is the guy that made the, he, he set aside the national park system. He set aside, like theater Roosevelt is the reason why we have the grandkids.

SPEAKER_09

37:41 - 37:43

Which are, which are current guys trying to fucking dismantle.

SPEAKER_04

37:43 - 37:45

Yeah, mental. Not the grandkids.

SPEAKER_09

37:45 - 37:47

No, no, can't be happy about that shit.

SPEAKER_04

37:47 - 37:55

No, everybody's upset about it. It's slow. Shut up, we can't do. What a can. He's an Alberta right now.

SPEAKER_09

37:55 - 38:04

I know. I see him giving you a hard time. I came in you. He's so nice. He's a nice guy. He's a nice. And people threaten him. He just, hey, look, this guy's threatening me. We want to threaten you. I wouldn't threaten you. And I kill you.

SPEAKER_04

38:07 - 38:18

Well, the home. But I wouldn't eat you. That's why I won't kill you. It's a lot of people in other countries, man. A lot of people that get mad about his hunting pictures, they're from some other country. They're all a lot of them are from South America.

SPEAKER_09

38:18 - 38:28

Like, uh, Cam, you're going to be a god when the electricity all goes out. They're going to be coming to your man. They're going to be coming to you. He'll be happy as fuck. And I need a recommendation on a beginner bow.

SPEAKER_04

38:28 - 38:30

I'll, I can hook you up. Oh, there we go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

38:30 - 38:31

Joe's a bow man now.

SPEAKER_04

38:31 - 38:42

Dude, I'll get a hoight to send you one. You really want to learn? Yes. I'll be the shed. I do. All right. Well, next time I'm hanging out with John Dudley, I'll have him come and coach you and we'll make a little video.

SPEAKER_09

38:42 - 38:43

Let me know, maybe I can attend.

SPEAKER_08

38:43 - 38:45

Yeah, I can jump in.

SPEAKER_04

38:45 - 38:51

Well, I want him to coach you and teach out of shoes. That's a main thing. That would be perfect. We'll do it. We'll meet that happen. We'll meet that happen.

SPEAKER_09

38:52 - 39:09

Yeah, so that's three years kind of a lot if condensed readers digest version as I emotionally was in prepared to be here and hang out and have fun. I would have been like the I would have been the like episode that everybody's like, oh, you got to hear this heart wrenching fucking oh my god. Well, it's heart wrenching now, man.

SPEAKER_04

39:09 - 39:10

I'm glad she's doing better.

SPEAKER_09

39:10 - 39:49

No, but it's heart-ranging, but I can stand here like a man and be like, look, here's, I've been through it. You didn't want to see me, and it's like, you don't want to see me cowering in the fox hole. You know what I mean? Now the battle's over. It's like, yeah, I cowered in the fox hole for a little while, but then we got out and we won the battle. Or, you know what I mean? That's where I wanted to be before I came. And I didn't have anything, and I know I didn't need anything to promote, but all of a sudden, it's like I did this free project, and I was like, I really just put out my, my, my, my fans have found it. And, but the response has been so good behind it. It's like, I want to get this out there a little further. So it gave me an excuse to be like, I think it's time for me to be on the podcast again.

SPEAKER_04

39:49 - 39:52

And if you want to buy a CD, they still have a CD.

SPEAKER_09

39:52 - 40:18

No, we don't, you know, you can buy these maybe at our shows. All right, because if we bring on there and we've charged basically what they cost us to make them and ship them where we gotta take them and try reading that shit. Yeah, you can't read it. That's the good luck. It's fucking gangster calligraphy shout out to big sleeves shout out to big sleeves shout out to big sleeves shout out to big sleeves shout out to big sleeves shout out to big sleeves shout out to big sleeves for the calligraphy That's gangster stuff. If you can't read it, you won't build to read it.

SPEAKER_04

40:18 - 40:22

That's all it means. I get it now that you've explained it. I can read it now.

SPEAKER_09

40:22 - 40:27

It's like just a picture like old school old English calligraphy and then mix with gangster letters. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

40:27 - 40:34

And you can see I struggle with the R and because it comes back up like it comes down and then it bang bang.

SPEAKER_09

40:34 - 40:37

That's his artistic. That's art, man. I understand.

SPEAKER_04

40:37 - 40:43

Let me let me let me let me know and it seems to me like a made up letter. That's some gaelic shit.

SPEAKER_09

40:44 - 40:48

It's just old school that I end. It's actually pretty old schooled English.

SPEAKER_04

40:48 - 40:59

Old English. Do you know what that is, Jamie? Does Ellery get into you? That looks like an end to you? Where do you see the end? The end here. Wait a minute. That's not the R. But where's the fucking R?

SPEAKER_09

40:59 - 41:02

The R is this.

SPEAKER_04

41:02 - 41:07

Oh my god, this is ridiculous. That's the R. That's the R. That's the R. Here's your loop.

SPEAKER_09

41:07 - 41:10

Oh, okay. It just comes down. All right.

SPEAKER_04

41:11 - 43:37

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SPEAKER_09

43:37 - 43:49

First of all, I don't get wrong. First of all, if you can't read it, that's why it's art. All right. Oh, okay. And it's gangster shit. If you go to Pico Union, those guys will read that shit like it ain't. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08

43:49 - 43:52

That's his war point. Oh, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_09

43:52 - 46:39

But the point is, all right. I was struggling to make my next singer song writerish hit pop kind of I was kind of revisiting the whitey Ford formula a little bit and expanding on it, but I got kind of stuck halfway through because I was just after all of this stuff that I went through. I thought it would be smart to just I did I kind of Another thing about cystic fibrosis, it's really isolating because you get really protective of your child and other people who are sick. I mean, I remember with first, I used to come and be like, everybody's gonna be all right at the studio, right? Nobody's sick. I mean, you know what I mean? I trust you. Now I know it's like, if you were sick, you'd tell me. But you still, I understand what you live that life, and I thought why you're getting tired of asking your friends every five seconds, and so the invitations to hang out become a little less. It's not an intentional thing. It's this slow kind of isolation of yourself. My friends didn't do it to me. I did it to myself. And I'm coming out of that now. Like I'm hanging out with a lot of my old friends and seeing things which is great. So like I was stuck in the studio was just me and like an engineer kid who I had a guy that worked for me for many years who moved up north and then I had this new guy who I who was good at his job but it was like I was there was no but you're kind of your own boss right so how do you decide when you're gonna go into the studio how did decide when you're gonna write just well because I don't know how you think about life because we don't live by the paycheck rules you know what I mean we so I'm thinking six months out I know I'm good prior right now I could sit on my ass for a year before cash ran out right let alone other stuff so but I'm always thinking six months all right like if I creating something now that's going to generate like you're writing your next stuff for whatever your next specialist going to be you know what do you get out one of those two of those a year like a solid hour I mean in my when I boil it down after two years it's like a real good hour and ten minutes so that's what I'm saying so you're thinking on kind of that time level you're like I'm working this out to get to this point that's what my schedule is now Anybody who follows my career whether it was House of Pain or ever last, I've never been like some cats are like clockwork with their product. They a year, every year, every year and a half there's an album bang, boom, boom, boom. Me, I've had two year intervals, three year intervals, four year intervals. You're never a one year interval, never, I'm never that guy, I have to be inspired, I have to. But I know if I'm not creating something at some time, the show money, which is what I live off from now, basically besides the mailbox stuff, Get smaller as long as you're if you can always just you don't even have to have a hit at my stage of career you know, I mean, I'll need hits. I just need new material or it's like I got something to promote that gives a promoter in you. I do a lot of work in Europe. I do more working Europe than I do here.

SPEAKER_07

46:39 - 46:40

Do you really?

SPEAKER_09

46:40 - 46:53

Yeah, way more. I'm about to be six weeks in Europe. Wow. I got to leave literally. Definitely more. Um, whoo, that's a long time. First I go to Napa actually. I got a festival in Napa and then I come home for a day and then I go to Europe for six weeks.

SPEAKER_07

46:53 - 46:55

Napa's a charm.

SPEAKER_09

46:55 - 47:47

And I mean, I do well in pockets in the United States and there's a lot of places like the south. I think I would do great, but I've never gone. As like promoters don't, I don't know what it is. I don't chase it. Here's the point. No, I'm, I hope I'm not all of this. I've never chased this. I've never ran it down. I'm where I am because I just looked at the signs on the road and said, oh, go that way. And I go there. I'm not the guy who thinks I'm the worst social media. I got 40,000 fucking Instagram followers, you know, I've sold millions and millions of records. I don't, I don't try. I don't want to, I don't know what it is. I get extreme amounts of joy. I think we talked about this on the first podcast I ever did that my music is more famous than my face. Like that, I think it, because I did say like, I like to go to Ralphs and get it to Oliver and just fucking get olives. And nobody knows who the fuck I am and jump around is actually playing in the supermarket or something, you know? It's fucking hilarious to watch that.

SPEAKER_04

47:47 - 47:57

Like I said that Steve Miller was like one of the greatest rock stars of all time, because nobody knows what the fuck he looks like. Take the money and run. This is so about be with you, Bobby Sue.

SPEAKER_09

47:57 - 48:01

Fuck, is that guy look like? Yeah, dude. Cause I'm a smoker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

48:01 - 48:02

Cause I'm a joke.

SPEAKER_09

48:02 - 48:04

I'm a midnight. Toker.

SPEAKER_04

48:05 - 48:12

Yeah, the Joker. Jungle Love, that was another great jam. Damn, he had some great jams.

SPEAKER_09

48:12 - 48:24

So I'm sitting in the studio. By myself, stuck. A friend of mine asked me to do a feature on his rap record, which I really wasn't, you know, I mean, I don't do a lot of that anymore.

SPEAKER_04

48:24 - 48:26

How long had it been since you had done it?

SPEAKER_09

48:26 - 48:36

Well, I mean, the first Lakoka Noestra album I was, I was part of the whole album. That was a few years back. That was 08. Oh, wait. Oh, wait. And I've done a rap here, a rap there for friends.

SPEAKER_04

48:36 - 48:41

It's a long time to go between that and work porn. Yeah, yeah. You knew Project War porn. When did you guys start that?

SPEAKER_09

48:41 - 49:24

Well, happened. I'm getting to it. Is this cat asked me to, I'll even shout him out. Just do, rye you. Uh, punny shots on this show, Jamie. Like the fighter from Street Fighter. You know what I mean, rye you. He doesn't out loud. Um, and I did a song and there's some, and it came out of May that was so, and like, In love with what I did like after all these years like wow I busted a fucking really don't rhyme on that thing that him and I I was like you know we should do a little mix tape thing just to help promote this whatever whatever some happened he just couldn't be involved and then I immediately thought of my friend and and and and and and and partner now. It's got sick jacket from a group called cycle room.

SPEAKER_04

49:24 - 49:27

Excellent names. Yeah, sick. Jaggin and cycle.

SPEAKER_09

49:27 - 50:28

He was going to be he's going to come next time. He I got called him like today and I was like, I totally spaced if you want to come do this. Very is the ball guy right there. and then device styler did all the beats and he rhymes on the project. But the way it came by was like when dude couldn't do a divinerity was making the beats. I call sick jack. I was like, oh, I got this project. He came hurt all the beats and we literally made this record in like a week. Wow. a divine styler a short background. I would not be in this business. I would not be making music if it wasn't for that man. He's the first guy that ever told me like a rap. I used to want to be a graffiti artist. He was an amazing graffiti artist. And I was just following him around as like a 16 year old trying to learn like styles and shit. And I would bust rap because they were making music to like make fun of shit like your mom or this or that. And they would always be like, Oh, you could rap. You should like make a tape. When you just was a CDR. Yeah. Does it get you high? No, not really. I mean, not not in the sense that maybe a collect after a while you might feel a little different, but like you wear masks and shit. Oh, do they wear masks? Well, now they wear real ones. We should just tie bandanas and okay.

SPEAKER_04

50:28 - 50:32

And so imagine if you're standing there like some of those, I pass.

SPEAKER_09

50:32 - 51:07

You're not really. If you were like in a room like this and try to paint that whole wall, you know, ventilation, you'd probably would. But this is mostly outdoor on the wall on the bus on In LA, the scene was like, down, we had a yard. Every crew, you'd have a yard somewhere, like an industrial area between buildings where there's like a brick wall and two buildings, and you'd just bomb them. It would be called your yard. Right. I mean, this cruise yard or that cruise yard. And you sneak into other cruise yards, and you'd like bomb over their pieces. That's not good, right? That's like it's gonna get to game almost, kind of. Except it's a little bit more secure. If they caught you for sure, that's not good. Kick your ass and steal your paint.

SPEAKER_04

51:07 - 51:19

Oh, no. Yeah. You know David Chau is you know David. That's I love David Chau. Yeah. David's got these crazy fucking videos. He's putting up on Instagram now. It's for him throwing paint all over the place. The floor. Yeah. Yeah. We're the Wii Fumes.

SPEAKER_10

51:19 - 51:21

He's high on paint fumes. Someone save him.

SPEAKER_09

51:21 - 51:29

He's going crazy. Like some industrial building just I love that dude taking a trailer like running it around like he's so far out there.

SPEAKER_04

51:29 - 51:40

There's no map no one's got a fucking map you know David Choland. I mean he's got a cart and he's just pouring paint on the ground.

SPEAKER_09

51:40 - 51:47

He's a savage. He's also super smart. He's a great dude. This is on purpose. This is there's purpose to what he does man. I believe that.

SPEAKER_04

51:48 - 51:53

No, David, he's a sweet, sweet guy, like I really like him as a person. I love to talk to him. I love to talk to him.

SPEAKER_09

51:53 - 52:11

I did his podcast. I think I can't get his podcast because he heard me on yours. And he was like, come, please bring a guitar and, you know, he doesn't now bank something. I take very serious pride in the fact I'm the first guy that ever do music on this thing. And I think it's Tony Honey, the only guy other people that are really done music.

SPEAKER_04

52:11 - 52:20

Gary brought his Gary Clark Jr. brought his guitar, but never played his fan. Dude, I love that. He's the best. He's such a nice guy, too, man. Oh, man, I'm such a sweet guy.

SPEAKER_09

52:20 - 52:22

I love that dude's music man. I'm really a big fan of that dude.

SPEAKER_04

52:23 - 53:58

I'm a big fan of him as a person and as a musician. And I want to see Honey Honey played in downtown LA. They had this midnight show on a Wednesday night and Gary Clark joined them on stage. And Gary Clark Jr. and Honey Honey. God damn it was good. And I was like, you know, 10 feet away. And there was 100 people in the room. And it was Gary Clark Jr. just jamming with Honey Honey. And it was, he's one of the baddest motherfuckers on the guitar ever. Beautiful sound like he's got such a distinct oh here it is Jamie's got it I put it on my Instagram Like you hear this if you know it's him Is there a bass player or am I just not seeing him or while the bass player is the dude in front of us? That's Ben. Is he playing another guitar? Oh, yeah, that's like a guitar. It's not a bass. He didn't pick up a bass?

SPEAKER_09

53:58 - 54:05

Oh, well somebody's putting down some nice low end. He must have got a good, somebody has an EQ. It sounded good. That's all I was making the point of.

SPEAKER_04

54:06 - 54:07

Yeah, man. God.

SPEAKER_09

54:07 - 54:15

I don't have a base player. My keyboard player Brian, who comes through here. He's got the meanest fucking left hand on the keys. He plays all his keys or the right in the basses left. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_08

54:15 - 54:16

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_09

54:16 - 54:22

And we're a trio now. When I do my band stuff, it just means two other god drummer in him. That's amazing. And we sound like six guys.

SPEAKER_07

54:22 - 54:22

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04

54:23 - 54:39

Gary Clark's got his own sound. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you hear his sound, like, Steve Ray Vaughn is a perfect example of that. Like, I hear some Steve Ray Vaughn, and I'll hear, like, one or two bars, and I'll go, that's Steve Ray Vaughn. He's got that sound. You know, he's like a certainly given slide. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

54:39 - 54:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

54:41 - 55:32

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Amped, which crate is not a fancy company. It's like a cheaper, not cheaper. I won't insult them. But it was like super hot. It was like some regular fucking head and this one pedal and the sound, I was like how the fuck did you get it? And it's just something some guys have a magic man. So you guys have a magic about the sound. I mean, I play acoustic. That's what I'm best at. I know how to make that sound good. There's I have electric guitars, but I can never get my I could have that same fucking guitar as Gary Clark Jr. right there and the same equipment and set it the same way. and it probably won't sound the same. It'll sound in the neighborhood, but I'm saying there's something, there's some people who just gotta inherit magic about feel on an instrument.

SPEAKER_04

55:32 - 56:10

That's what's amazing about someone who can play an instrument like that is that they're making some sound that it syncs up with our brains so well. It syncs up with our hearing so well that it just gives you pleasure. By the way, folks, that's with an iPhone. microphone in camera. I mean, that is a terrible recording device as far as like getting good audio quality. So when you get really fucking good, there's more computing power on here than there was it when they supposed to put some people to the moon.

SPEAKER_09

56:10 - 56:16

You know what? That's one of the things, how do you know the fucking truth? But I'll tell you one fucking thing for sure the Earth is not flat.

SPEAKER_04

56:16 - 56:41

Fuck you. See, that's where it gets tricky, right? How do we know? Look at the most scientists could also look at the mood. Look at the mood. That's round, but wouldn't be interesting. If so what is the only one that wasn't? That was why everybody was trying to... Hey, I'm just trying to see both sides. All right, I'm just asking. I'm cool. Hey, it makes some fun arguments. But the moon land is my favorite day. Next to Bigfoot. Moonland is my name.

SPEAKER_09

56:41 - 56:54

It's a suspect to me. Let me say that. There's a lot of things I see on TV. There's suspect. Hey, I saw a movie maybe 15 years ago called Wag the Dog that fucked everything up for me. Like when I see the news, I see Wag the Dog all day.

SPEAKER_04

56:54 - 57:16

That was a great movie. Yeah. And then do you remember when the CIA came out the CIA had paid a half a million dollars to make the fucking ISIS videos? How much was it? Was it a half a million dollars? $500,000? Yeah. To make it might have been more than that. Am I like way selling it short? Was it like $500 million? No, I think it was a half a million.

SPEAKER_09

57:16 - 57:21

I think it was half a million to make videos. But still, to make homemade looking videos, it was like half a million dollars. That's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04

57:22 - 57:48

I think it was more than that. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. $540,000. First of all, stop thinking about how many X-Men movies you can make for half a billion. I mean, what kind of a shit return on your investment? You're not for fake alkyte videos.

SPEAKER_09

57:48 - 58:00

Know what that is? Know what that is right there? That's two motherfuckers. The guy owns that firm is the buddy of somebody. That's the thing I was talking about earlier where they figure out how to get the fucking money anyways. That's it. That's the kind of shit I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04

58:01 - 58:04

Well, that is about a clear as example as you can get, where it's $540.

SPEAKER_09

58:04 - 58:13

That's just a clear as back when, remember, what, it was a 20 years ago when they came up with the whole thing, we're like a Pentagon was paying like $1,000 a hammer. You know, like, you know, toilet seats were like, seven grand.

SPEAKER_04

58:13 - 58:26

You know, it was like, I remember that. $540 million is a crazy number too. That's like, wait, well, what the fuck? Jesus. That's a lot of money, man. Oh, workforce, war porn.

SPEAKER_09

58:27 - 59:17

So like I said divine was he's he's he's in my mentor he's like back in the day before It used to be if somebody, like if you were the son of somebody, that was like your mentor. Like now it's kind of almost like they treat it like an insulin. If I device, I'm the son of Divine Styler in this game. That's how I look at it. I learned style from him. I learned how to wrap from him. He encouraged me to do it at first. And then I went on my own journey. So coming back to do this project with him was fun. This was strictly just in my mind an art project. Like literally we're gonna give this away. We're gonna, we're just gonna make a few CDs and make some fun art to surround it. And you know, it will call it a day. And then it came out amazing. And I'm not selling myself short. The shit is fucking banging hip-hop. And it's free. And you can get a little at war pornindustries.com and click on the mix tape and download it. It's free.

SPEAKER_04

59:17 - 59:22

Wow, I've been enjoying the videos, man. It looks like you're having a video.

SPEAKER_09

59:22 - 59:58

It looks like you're having a good time too. It's the been the most fun I've had in forever. It's the point where, like I said, I was stuck in this rut. And then these guys came into my studio and brought it alive again. And I realize it's communal. Yeah. What I do. Even even when I'm trying to just express my own thought and idea, you gotta, it's communal. You need some people around you that are gonna, you need, I'm sure guys like Joey Diaz are this for you. Oh yeah. When you have an idea for a routine or a joke, you'd be like, what do you think should I pursue that? There's a guy that you'll turn to and he'll be like, fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_04

59:59 - 01:00:21

That's the move or fuck no don't do that. It's better when there's a lot of you you feed off each other. You have fun and you you also like it's very important to be happy for other people like you like seeing other people kick ass should make you feel better like and being around bad motherfuckers makes it like this in the studio in the three of us or by the way the official name of the group is war porn industries

SPEAKER_09

01:00:21 - 01:00:32

Warporn is the first record. Why warporn? What does that mean? Because it's fucking cuz exactly. What does it mean? Because exactly. Because everything's warporn. Turn on your TV. It's warporn.

SPEAKER_04

01:00:32 - 01:00:35

I'm reading this script. I'm even more confused this script.

SPEAKER_09

01:00:35 - 01:00:37

No, it's the same thing. We just separated it and made an archive.

SPEAKER_08

01:00:37 - 01:00:43

It's too confusing. Oh, well, good. The logo is bad ass though. I'm an old band.

SPEAKER_04

01:00:43 - 01:01:03

Just demand. Let's shout out. Just an email goes dope. But that is just going to reaffirm ideas of devil worship and poor Niagara people. You people are your monsters. You're what's wrong. dope and manly and images you can get. There's a skull where the pussy should be. There's thigh stairs. It's a dead.

SPEAKER_09

01:01:03 - 01:01:07

It's a dead's head. It's a death's head. Moth is the overall concept. Right.

SPEAKER_04

01:01:07 - 01:01:11

And this fishnet stockings involved with gun. That's the spine of the wing.

SPEAKER_09

01:01:11 - 01:01:11

Yeah, first and eat.

SPEAKER_08

01:01:11 - 01:01:13

And he's a fucking badass.

SPEAKER_04

01:01:13 - 01:01:19

Army studs dope as fuck. Gatling guns. I would wear that. I would consider getting it. I'm tired too, that's somewhere.

SPEAKER_09

01:01:19 - 01:01:22

I might be my, my, my, my back piece might be right there.

SPEAKER_04

01:01:22 - 01:01:58

That's a good back piece. That's a strong back piece. No bullshit, but straightened out the words. I'm just kidding. Keep it as is. It's your lingo. Imagine going to Japanese people and go, hey man, your language is fucking too weird. An English. Can you use English? Use it. This episode is brought to you by Dr. Squatch. I'm gonna let you in on a secret. If you wanna be more confident, you have to start taking care of yourself. And a great way to do that is use Dr. Squatch, especially with their new private hygiene products. They were designed to help you look and feel fresh all over.

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SPEAKER_08

01:03:44 - 01:04:01

So we got a few videos what you got up right now you got anything close to up which one is this one we got three videos so one let's crank this one the first one was called world then do we want going chronological order we should if it it's a piece sort of here we go

SPEAKER_09

01:04:14 - 01:04:17

Shout out to John. I mean, Chad Marshall, Juan Ho.

SPEAKER_10

01:04:17 - 01:04:21

Shot the videos. Shout out to Grandpa from the Great Beyond.

SPEAKER_04

01:04:21 - 01:04:29

I hope you're looking down, having a good time up there. They were helping with Jesus.

SPEAKER_09

01:04:29 - 01:04:36

This is shot at the earth. There's an abandoned missile silo apparently at the top of the soda and the valley. Really? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

01:04:43 - 01:05:27

Yeah, if I put the needle on plate to rock, I know Dusty finger giggins and crates and pork, I know Whiskey breads at it, don't flesh the rough, I know We're poor, night at your back, it's all I know We sit on your idle process, finish your vials In a man named, oh, robber, for me, this is the final Grand way, title, date, take home, recital, six cycle, on recital, use it by title From that down, down a pocket, this is rockin' this recriture, full clip, straight, full in random, who the talking is But I stand in my standard, the way you're the star, the kid. Stay humble, that sounded, can stay till it all it is. I'm in this, not common, it's the key to dominance. OG, only wait for me. I got some time in this mirror, my society. The beauty in the violence is what I miss. And you hear it clearly when I'm rhyming it.

SPEAKER_09

01:05:34 - 01:05:38

Six dragons, one of the almost slept on underrated MCs ever.

SPEAKER_05

01:05:38 - 01:07:26

Technical weaponry, right? I have the lead, learn my pedigree, learn my effigy, spit my therapy, smoke my remedy, pass it aggressively, choke my enemy, yeah! My revelry, full of my cavalry, bucket list, trilogy, war-born industry, terminate assassinate with extreme vignity, every weight on my plate, summer time again is she? Deccronomic harm, triple hexagon, It will be on the devil's word is far The horn is strong in the purling in your heart Burn three dead toe underwater dead roll Rockin' down, pivin' down, pivin' down, look up the gaw, pivin' Violin' spirit stands out calling for late with the bowling And ask the soul in seven, seven, seven, nine I won't roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in one, roll in God have a merciless sonic rock turbanist, almost on gun metal, map black surfaces, squad with the bridge which strides for the murderous boss, for the dark heart lost, and the urban grip torn from the flame of the chin to you now is this, pro-fall of the new world's dominance, broken equilibrium, America on a flash, his war porn wizard from the ass of the bottom, listen, watch this to be it, rock from the phalovi, and a fire for the entire You're corny, it's me, this nigga, loady, and a me, and a volume, you're cooking, you ain't gonna pop it, it's all in debt, it's all in debt, it's all in shit, this is what a poor thing, and I can't walk with it, get you drug, don't know if they ain't shit, go to hell, blow my brains out, remove it from the podium, drink, cerebellum, decorations of the holiest, seven lovers are having a ceremonies, not love was a hell, but for the loliest, fat, we can't get mighty fine, that's it, no says, flow through the knees, why I'm singing in the list?

SPEAKER_01

01:07:31 - 01:07:32

Yeah, man, we had a blast, man

SPEAKER_09

01:07:42 - 01:07:43

We're gonna make many more records.

SPEAKER_07

01:07:43 - 01:07:45

Like I'm back in the rap game now for it.

SPEAKER_10

01:07:45 - 01:07:48

Dude, it's cool seeing and hearing you rap again.

SPEAKER_04

01:07:48 - 01:07:54

It's a side fun. I really enjoyed your transition until like more acoustic stuff. I'm still doing that, too.

SPEAKER_09

01:07:54 - 01:08:42

Yeah. This is fun. Like this is unadulterated for me. Like you were talking about, you need cats to push you. Our goal in the studio is like when sick Jack comes off the mic from saying a verse, he wants me to look at him and be like, fuck you. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah is on some street level, hood shit, but the way he puts it together is so crazy. It's almost like we're a representation of almost like physical, like, uh, mental and spiritual, like mine's more mental.

SPEAKER_04

01:08:42 - 01:08:47

Like you guys are like, see no here, evil here. No, almost. It's a weird couple together.

SPEAKER_09

01:08:47 - 01:09:01

And when we get together, the all three of us will tell you it's it's the energy that we create with each other. We don't find it anywhere else. We're addicted to this right now. That's why I'm telling you it's going to be way more we're already working on the next one.

SPEAKER_04

01:09:01 - 01:09:42

So I think that can't be overlooked, man, because I think that there's a you get a lot out of the people that you're around all the time. And I think you're a different person when you're around different people. Absolutely. I'm sure you experience that, right? Absolutely. And I think that being around a bunch of bad motherfuckers on a regular basis like you are in war porn, like everything is probably like everybody's sharp in everybody's. Now everybody's also aware of the full body of work. You're all real hip-hop fans. So you wear of like noses, best shit. Oh yeah. And Jay-Z's best shit in the bar gets so high and so sharp the edge gets sharp. So like that riff right there. That's like one of my all-time favorites that I've heard in last couple of years. Thank you, man. That's great.

SPEAKER_09

01:09:42 - 01:10:51

I really feel like in my opinion, you know, and I come from a certain era, I give that to people. You know, there's a new era of kids and I don't shit on them or hate them. They have this whole thing hating on these kids calling it mumble rap. And I don't I don't really got a problem with it, you know, I mean, my only problem is like, Hey, there's certain cats that are kind of disrespecting the past and it's like, Hey, be you be new be different. That's cool. Be what you want to be, but don't fucking shit on cats like biggie. And I'm not even going to call out names and I was But anybody who's listening to me and is really hip to the game knows there's these youngsters that are kind of almost trying to they're almost trying to make noise by disrespecting and it's like listen the path that was walked before you is only reason you could fucking wear that fucking cheesy fucking shit jewelry you get and fucking acts so ignorant you know, I mean and go to the metball and gallant on this when you ain't nobody and next year you're not going to be anybody at the metbout metgala you know, I mean you're just this year's fucking like not novel I don't know you're business now. Well, after some of the music game in general, the music shows the older dudes have been around. There's a lot of youngsters that are like, Don't know the history, and I don't say you need to know Biggie's every album, but don't fucking come on shit on Biggie.

SPEAKER_08

01:10:51 - 01:10:51

You can't shit on.

SPEAKER_09

01:10:51 - 01:11:20

Don't come on. Don't come on like they didn't exist or you don't know anything about them. That's unfortunate. And they're few and far between, but they've made big headlines. And that's why there seems to be this disrespectful hate for the young. Right. I don't got that because listen, I always said like, I just don't ever want to sound like that old fucking bitter dude. Right. I'll tell you, I don't like that. I'm not a fan of that song or that guy, but go do what you. I might be old. Maybe I don't get what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04

01:11:20 - 01:11:41

You know, as I've gotten older, I give less of a fuck about what other people enjoy. And when I was younger, I had to, for some reason, I felt like I had to argue with I enjoy versus what you enjoy. And that doesn't make any sense anymore. It's like, we're all so fucking different. The idea, like, you meet people and personalities very so much. In other words, I'm going to like this.

SPEAKER_09

01:11:41 - 01:12:41

Let me clarify what I was just talking about actually because really what I was talking about wasn't young people. If you want to be, if I want to be perfectly clear, what I was talking about was people my age that I hear throwing a lot of hate and a lot of just like, like, just like, oh, that ain't rap or that ain't hip hop, right? maybe not to you. But you really just sound old and bitter. You know what I mean? Let them kids get there. You know what I mean? I made the record I wanted to make. I didn't try to make a record that designer or future or any of these cats that are doing it now would make because that would look stupid. I would look like a thirsty idiot because that's not what I do. that is what they do to sort of shit on it is shit on them and I don't know them I don't know anything and honestly I've heard future records and I've heard designer records and they're not the worst things I've ever heard I'm just not a fan I've just don't that's not my thing it's not garbage and I don't like when I hear your people just calling shit out for garbage that isn't garbage if it's garbage calling garbage like mr. brainwash or something like that that's garbage you know what I mean

SPEAKER_07

01:12:43 - 01:12:47

I don't know any of these people, but I do know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_09

01:12:47 - 01:12:53

You know, here's a beautiful thing. That was, that was, that was an even cool, but it's not at all.

SPEAKER_04

01:12:53 - 01:12:58

I don't, I'll tell you. I don't know what the fuck's going on in the rap world. But what I do know was a rap.

SPEAKER_09

01:12:58 - 01:13:02

That was what I was talking about rap. You know, he's laughing. Tell me what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02

01:13:02 - 01:13:02

He's an artist.

SPEAKER_09

01:13:02 - 01:13:32

He's a painter like fake fucking street artist who like stole everything he ever did for anybody. Did you see the bank, the bank seemed, well, the bank seemed, well, the bank seemed, that fucking like fake did to Lee made it. That's who I'm talking about. Okay. He's garbage, dude. Like that's garbage. I understand. That's garbage. You have to be offended. Is there somebody in car? You know what? For you? It's the equivalent of like Carlos Mincea. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Brainwash. Okay. Okay. Exact. That's a perfectly legitimate correlation. Is that the right one?

SPEAKER_08

01:13:32 - 01:13:33

Correlation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

01:13:33 - 01:13:34

Orally.

SPEAKER_04

01:13:34 - 01:13:34

Correlation. Yeah. Thank you.

SPEAKER_08

01:13:35 - 01:13:38

I said, coally. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.

SPEAKER_09

01:13:38 - 01:13:49

I'm talking how many I'm two glasses deep into whiskey. Jack Daniel's single barrel right the real shit. You owe me a case now. Jack Daniel's got a lunch break 10 to see send that shit right to the crib.

SPEAKER_04

01:13:49 - 01:14:09

All right. I see the commercial y'all can't drink it there send an extra case this way to the Joe Rogan experience is an amazing that we're like interested in stuff that like sits in barrels that have been fire brewed like they take fire they burn the inside of the barrels right now like part of the process of making this stuff

SPEAKER_09

01:14:10 - 01:14:43

A lot of the new shit, too, is the darker versions is like some people who you actually get the whiskey that soaked into the wood and somehow get that out. That's where you get these dark versions of what Jameson cascmates and other stuff like that. the new movement or I don't know how new it is. I'm talking out of my ass a little bit because I've had a few but where they like buy old ale like Guinness or like beer ones and then put whiskey in those and like yeah, there's like kind of like really kind of cross Jesus they're crazy these kids today and they're crazy.

SPEAKER_04

01:14:43 - 01:14:58

I just love the fact that that's how you make this. Like I'm not I'm not selling this but like when you talk about like like a whiskey taste like James guy but this is nice. This is nice. Look it's it's a experience. I'm hit.

SPEAKER_09

01:14:58 - 01:15:04

Cool. They taste good.

SPEAKER_04

01:15:04 - 01:15:09

This is an exotic mouth experience. Okay. It's like there's something going on.

SPEAKER_08

01:15:09 - 01:15:11

Have you gone to a tasting like a Scotch tasting or something like that?

SPEAKER_04

01:15:11 - 01:15:15

Because I'm a grown man who has other things to do. Cool. It's a tasting.

SPEAKER_03

01:15:15 - 01:15:19

It all tastes like fucking turpentine.

SPEAKER_04

01:15:24 - 01:15:26

Like some of it tastes okay.

SPEAKER_08

01:15:26 - 01:15:31

It's not cool, right? It's not gatorade. I only like a couple. There's a lot of them. I don't like.

SPEAKER_04

01:15:31 - 01:15:38

I don't like to admit it, but I like a cold coke one. I don't know what are those coke zero. So what it is?

SPEAKER_03

01:15:38 - 01:15:41

I call the coke one.

SPEAKER_04

01:15:41 - 01:15:46

I know it's, but sometimes that is what I want. That tastes good. If that could get you drunk,

SPEAKER_09

01:15:48 - 01:16:27

Oh, here's a funny story. So my wife gives me a present the other day. And it's like this keychain with this elongated like metal tube-looking thing on it. And I opened it up and it's just empty. And she's like, oh, I just thought, you know, if you smoked a joint, you could put it in there and it wouldn't stick up your car. And it was a smart idea. Trust me. But I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it. And I'm like, babe. I think this is a Coke file, actually. I think that's really the intention for this. She was like, you know, it's funny because they were smaller ones too. I thought that's really small. I wonder where that could be for now. It totally makes sense. So I got this bullet looking thing. I put joints in it, but it's like, it's a Coke file, dude.

SPEAKER_04

01:16:27 - 01:16:44

You imagine what would happen if they made Coke legal, like a long time ago. Like how much would, how much would culture change have Coke was like beer? If you could just, I mean, you could drink yourself to death. We all know someone who's drank themselves to death.

SPEAKER_09

01:16:44 - 01:16:49

I think our B.C.B. problem would probably be to be kicked.

SPEAKER_03

01:16:49 - 01:16:54

B.C.B.B. is just jaw. I'd probably be the weight I wanted to be.

SPEAKER_09

01:16:54 - 01:16:56

I might be closer to the weight I really truly want to be.

SPEAKER_04

01:16:58 - 01:17:46

I have a theory and my theory is that much like how you take sugar out of things and then just have like process sugar in your eat. It's terrible for your body because it's not done all the natural fibers. It's very dangerous. Like you get fat. It's not dangerous, I'm not saying it's like nuclear power. But my theory is that I bet those cocoa leaves are exactly the same way. I bet if you just chew those cocoa leaves like those people do up in the mountains, I think it's great for you. I think it's just like eating fruit. It's really good for you right now. If you have a bowl of fresh blueberries, that's not just because it has some sugar in it. That's really good for you, rich in antioxidants, rich in vitamins, strawberries, delicious, good for you, not bad for you, good for you. But it like spoons of sugar in arguably not good for you, right? I mean, not the worst for you.

SPEAKER_09

01:17:46 - 01:18:01

You don't talk about right there is something process versus something that's natural. Yeah, it's exactly the same thing. You know, I would actually if you with all my heart issues, I got a heart valve if you sat two plates out and then played a coke and you said you had to do one of these and here's some coca leaves. I'd be like, oh fuck, I'll chew those coca leaves.

SPEAKER_04

01:18:01 - 01:18:05

I want to I want to experience. I want to know what that's like because they

SPEAKER_09

01:18:05 - 01:18:14

things that work in those, because that's mountainous area. They like chew on them all day and work and do shit. It's like coffee to them in a way. You know, maybe a little, you know,

SPEAKER_04

01:18:15 - 01:18:26

I don't think it's stronger than coffee man. I don't think it is. I think from everybody that describes it, they describe it as like just a mild stimulant, and it makes you feel good. And it also has like, what do they call flab on the wall?

SPEAKER_09

01:18:26 - 01:18:36

Because we're also chewing on it. It's getting your salt. It's dissolving. You're processing it through a digestive system. Instead of just banging it straight to your brain in a power of powder form, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

01:18:36 - 01:18:39

I think it's probably, obviously, I'm speaking way out of line here.

SPEAKER_09

01:18:39 - 01:18:40

I don't know how many coca leaves.

SPEAKER_01

01:18:40 - 01:18:41

Science.

SPEAKER_09

01:18:41 - 01:18:47

Does it take to make a line? That's another thing you don't know. That might be 400 coca leaves.

SPEAKER_04

01:18:47 - 01:18:51

But how many strawberries does it take to make a gut table spoon of sugar?

SPEAKER_07

01:18:52 - 01:18:57

Exactly. That's a good. That's a good analogy. Interesting. This whiskey is really nice.

SPEAKER_04

01:18:57 - 01:18:58

I'm feeling good.

SPEAKER_08

01:18:58 - 01:19:04

God damn, this California marijuana is also very effective. Yeah, I can't complain.

SPEAKER_04

01:19:04 - 01:19:06

I can't complain.

SPEAKER_09

01:19:06 - 01:19:36

There's a whole thing right there of this whole new, hey, I've smoked my share fair share of some dabs and whatnot here. But like now we're talking about let's say we're going to keep it 100% honest. We've always kind of sat around smoke joints and be like, we don't really do drugs. You know what? Dabs. If you do dabs, you do drugs. That's a drug. That's weed being processed into an actual work. Potent more. compact form to smoke. It's drugs. It's the meth of weed.

SPEAKER_04

01:19:36 - 01:19:45

Dabs are like right tattoos. They're like you went too far, fucker, which is slow down settle down. Okay, don't don't turn your nose to open your nose.

SPEAKER_09

01:19:45 - 01:19:54

I had my fair share of dabs and I would partake under the right circumstances. Boom that. I'll have a little dab. But what I'm saying is that it's too much.

SPEAKER_04

01:19:54 - 01:19:56

Interesting. Good for you here. I'm okay. I'm fine.

SPEAKER_09

01:19:56 - 01:19:59

You're smoking pens though. You're smoking pens, though.

SPEAKER_04

01:19:59 - 01:20:05

It's labs. I actually don't smoke too many different ones, but I have some that are organic.

SPEAKER_09

01:20:05 - 01:20:06

It's still a dab.

SPEAKER_04

01:20:06 - 01:20:15

No, it's a oil. It's oil. Same fucking difference. Same thing. You guys are smoking wax. And you got a lot of people who are interested in soldering irons and fucking.

SPEAKER_09

01:20:15 - 01:20:25

I'm more into, I'm personally a little bit more into what they call the solvent list like ice hash and shit like that. Like a little bit different. I mean, B.H.O. scares me a little bit sometimes.

SPEAKER_04

01:20:25 - 01:20:49

But this is a trigger that hits me when someone says you want to do dabs. Like, oh, no, no, no, no. Because you're one of those people that does dabs. I'm not doing that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're the dude who calls in sick to the country club because you're too fucking high to drive. All right, no, no. We're not doing dabs together, man. Get your shit together. You don't have to get that high. Don't come by the studio that's okay.

SPEAKER_09

01:20:49 - 01:20:51

You're doing a dab now. They come by my studio.

SPEAKER_04

01:20:51 - 01:21:08

It's like, I'm going to make you do at least one dabs. Just glasses of wine. Or do you want drink glasses of whiskey? Well, you can drink glasses of wine and enjoy it. If you drink glasses of whiskey, you'll be fucking dead, okay? That's like dabs. You went too far into the dark land sun.

SPEAKER_09

01:21:08 - 01:21:38

You made the shot. You are. You're how much weed you smoke. The orcs. You're you're wrong about that. Some people you're right about it. You're right about it. Like the average Joe cat like that doesn't know much. But if you're in a dad address, you know how much we use smoke. I don't get that fucked up from a dad because you know what I've smoked a lot of weed for 20 fucking years. You know what I mean? But what it will do if you smoke what I don't want to do about that shit from what I understand is why I don't do a ton of it. is because it'll, you'll stop getting high from actual weed. If you do too much of that.

SPEAKER_04

01:21:38 - 01:21:52

Maybe that'll be good. Maybe that's what the best way to be is get high so often that you could be high and not even feel like you're high. Like maybe that's the best place to be. If you can do this to get high, though, I want to know a little bit of what.

SPEAKER_09

01:21:53 - 01:22:17

It's like letting go I don't want to like get well now you're talking about being a junkie smoking some weed to not know you're high, but be high that's called getting well your sick plant man There's no point to me smoking if I'm not getting a buzz.

SPEAKER_04

01:22:17 - 01:22:40

So what I'm saying, man, I'm what I'm saying is achieve a perpetual vibration of Let's call the elevation. Let's could not call it being high. To achieve a perpetual state where it's so common and normal that you don't even feel like you're high. How do we live? Isn't that how we live? Pretty close pretty close. I take days off though. Do you take days off? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_09

01:22:40 - 01:22:59

I honestly more than I like since in the last seven years. Way more than I used to because of my kids. I want to give away before my kids. I was perpetually high. Like I was high from the moment I woke up to the moment I went to sleep and I don't even look at that as a bad thing or like I was I spoke. We yeah, I was perpetually high.

SPEAKER_04

01:22:59 - 01:23:04

I know a lot of people that are very productive and very smart who also do that. Now, and they enjoy it more.

SPEAKER_09

01:23:04 - 01:23:18

The wife and I at the end of a long day, we'll go out and go back yard and because we don't smoke anywhere near the kids because of cystic fibrosis and all that. But like we will just like that. And you don't want to fuck anybody that doesn't like it. I know. Let's leave here and set our alcoholics and shit. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04

01:23:18 - 01:23:19

It's legal now.

SPEAKER_09

01:23:19 - 01:23:36

We need the press for a day of doing fucking nebulizer treatments and fucking IV. Yeah. Yeah. It works for us, and it's cool. But if I wasn't getting it, if I wasn't getting it, even I wouldn't even do it anymore. Like if I didn't get a buzz, you know what I mean? It's a happy thing.

SPEAKER_04

01:23:36 - 01:23:49

I'm not saying get even, I'm saying stay elevators. But know you're elevated the entire time. But you know, just like you know, you're breathing oxygen, but do you pay attention to it on a regular basis? Well, then just accept the fact that you're like the knowing. I like the knowing.

SPEAKER_09

01:23:49 - 01:23:54

I like the conscious actual like, oh, I'm in a relieve state of pain right now.

SPEAKER_04

01:23:54 - 01:23:59

Listen, you're right. I'm just, I'm essentially, maybe it's okay. And I'm not looking for cookies, man.

SPEAKER_09

01:23:59 - 01:24:19

I'm looking for cookies or anything, but maybe it's because I live in a slightly elevated level of stress than the average person. I want to know the difference. I want to feel that cushion. It's like the pillow on the bed for me. I want to feel the pillow. I don't want to just accept it's there. I don't want to go Buddhist like that and watch the dishes just to watch the dishes. I want to get high to get the fuck outta here for fucking five minutes.

SPEAKER_04

01:24:19 - 01:25:19

You know what I find that's one of the most beneficial things about being highs that I've only thinking about a few things, but I'm thinking about them very intensely. Simply and very intently. Instead of thinking about a whole host of things peripherally, where it's almost like there's too much data coming in from all these other things that I don't really care about or need. Look, you care about all sorts of things in your life that you're not going to deal with right now. And take to harbor even a chunk of that in your consciousness. is it robs the rest of your resources for thinking about other things and that's one of the most apparent things about pot to me because like when I here's a perfect example when I smoke pot and then I play pool I am 20% better like a legitimate 20% better and I really think that it's because I'm not thinking about Oh, I got to do this. And then I got to call that guy. And then this guy, I got to respond to his text. I got to respond to that person's email when I get high. I just see balls. I see balls and green cloth.

SPEAKER_09

01:25:19 - 01:25:24

Let me take that one step further is you're also not even thinking about I got to beat this fucking die. You're thinking about it.

SPEAKER_07

01:25:24 - 01:25:27

No, no, no, no. But you want to make the shot.

SPEAKER_09

01:25:27 - 01:25:33

It's more about the shot though. I want to make a shot. I want to fucking win this game because I want to make the shot. I want to do. Yes, see the angle.

SPEAKER_04

01:25:33 - 01:26:29

There's a Zen to it for sure. There's a thing that happens with pool that happens the same way in archery. And then in archery like when you hit a target, there's an it's so foolish. Like of course, it's just a hey bail with a target on it with a little paper target that is a yellow center and you hit the yellow center. What do you do? Nothing changed in the world. I understand that like rationally as a But the thing about doing that is that I don't know why but when you do something correctly when it all flows in harmony just like with pools the same thing when you have a long shot and it goes in if you've ever been in a bar when you watch people play pool and some dude makes or some woman makes the craziest shot ever for the win and everybody goes crazy oh shit because we know how hard it is to do and there's something poetic and beautiful about watching it happen.

SPEAKER_09

01:26:29 - 01:26:59

It's that you just described why golf makes any sense at all. I live on a golf course basically. I like to hit the balls and fucking I suck. But what keeps you coming back is you'll play that 18-hole day and one time you feel you'll hit the shot that you meant to hit the way you meant to hit it and it went where you meant to go and you're like, I can do that again. I know I can. It's like crack. You're chasing that first fucking high forever.

SPEAKER_04

01:26:59 - 01:27:05

I'm not disrespecting anybody who plays golf because I know I would get addicted, but I don't play golf. I know I'd get addicted because you would.

SPEAKER_09

01:27:05 - 01:27:12

No, you're your whole person of eight would because you'd hit that one shot the first day and you'd be like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_04

01:27:12 - 01:27:27

The same reason I don't do coke. It's the same reason I've never done Coke, the exact same reason. My friend in high school, Jimmy Lawless, good buddy mine to this day. When we were back in high school, we went to a party and people were doing Coke and he was, Joe, don't do it. You'd fucking love it.

SPEAKER_02

01:27:27 - 01:27:32

That's like, do it, cock. You don't want this.

SPEAKER_04

01:27:32 - 01:28:08

And I would like, okay, Jim, address your buddy. I'm fucking done here. I'm done with this. And I've told, I've said this before, but this is a real thing that happened where it was on a two-lane road. And we were driving side. This car that had the dome light on. And I looked over and there was this chick in. I never forget her arms. She had these big arms. Like, she had like almost like, like, like, she had a sleeveless shirt with like thick arms. Like, it was the kind of girl that would punch you in the face. Okay? And she was doing Coke in the backseat. And she looked over at me with the dome light on. And she just goes, fuck you. She says it's me like, I'm just looking at her.

SPEAKER_03

01:28:08 - 01:28:12

I'm just looking at her. You're doing Coke. You're on the, you're on a two-lane road.

SPEAKER_04

01:28:12 - 01:28:23

There's only two cars in the road. I'm watching you do Coke. I'm seven feet away from you doing Coke. You're saying fuck you. Whoa, fuck Coke. That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

01:28:23 - 01:29:22

We used to call it eight. I had a few experiences with Coke in my life, but here's the breakdown of Coke and why it's evil. We used to call it amongst a few people that I actually trusted enough to partake of it in my life. We called it the sneaky pouch. Sneaky pouch. Because what would happen was like, you'd get some coat. And it'd be like in a fold, you know, like a paper fold, everybody would put in for some coat. And every, you'd go somewhere. And every once in a while, you know, you'd be, let me get the pass. I'm going to the bathroom real quick. Whatever. Right. When you went to that bathroom, the nature of coke. You would take a little piece of that off for yourself and put it in your own little dollar bill. Yes, you're thinking about it. Sneaky pounds. Sneaky pounds. But what it says about, and everybody did it, the whole crew like, nobody may cop to it, nobody fucking acknowledge it, but it's like, we all know we took a little piece for ourselves. You know what I mean off of the coke pile and whatever, whatever. Sneaky pounds. It's a deceit, are you writing this down?

SPEAKER_03

01:29:22 - 01:29:23

That's your right thought.

SPEAKER_09

01:29:23 - 01:29:40

I feel free to do. So it's like kind of just describes the nature of what that what mind state that puts you in. It's like, well, fuck everybody else if this goes, if everybody sniffs who's sniffing. You know, it's just like, that's what that drug creates. And that's why, you know, I think three times in my life, I've done it.

SPEAKER_04

01:29:41 - 01:30:20

Well, any drug that radically changes your brain chemistry, whether it's whiskey, or whether it's coke, or you know, honestly even pot, especially pertaining to edibles, we should watch it very carefully what happens and people take it. You know, and I think that's one of the things that I've been guilty of and I know a lot of other people have been guilty of it too, just to totally come clean. I defend pot so much that I never look at the potential negative consequences of people doing pot if they're too young, because I didn't do it when I was down. I mean, it did a few times. Maybe like, handful of times before I was 30 and then when I was 30, I met Eddie Bravo, we started getting blazed all the time and really changed the entire time.

SPEAKER_09

01:30:20 - 01:30:22

I smoked pot was 14.

SPEAKER_04

01:30:22 - 01:30:43

I'd well, I definitely smoked it younger than that. I smoked it when I was eight. My stepdad gave me someone I was eight. Just a puff. Because I was curious. I was like, what happens when you do it? You want to try it? I said, how much should I breathe in? You don't breathe in a lot. Just breathe in a little bit. This is obviously sketchy memory. I did it once when I was eight. And then the next time I did it, I was probably like 14.

SPEAKER_09

01:30:45 - 01:31:33

And then I did it probably maybe again when I said about 14 when we cut school and some of the kids a couple of kids that were the cool guys that like, you know, kind of took a liking to me and I was like cool cool kids like me. I'm going to hang out with these dudes. They smoke weed and I remember I hit it and very they would tell me like you have your smoke weed. I know I never smoke either. Nothing might happen either first time. But I remember vividly hitting this joint with these dudes and literally spending probably an hour and 30 minutes laughing my balls off. That nothing. And I thought it was the greatest thing ever. And from then on, I was like, I quit baseball. I became an artist. Well, I started drawing and painting on walls. I was like, I was a different person. That changed my life. We did another thing. It's probably semi-responsible for my path.

SPEAKER_04

01:31:34 - 01:32:21

I had a very important moment when I was 16. I got only smoked weed a handful of times before I was 30 years old, like less than 12, like legitimately. And one time when I was 16, it was me and my girlfriend and my best friend who went over her house and I had stole some weed from her step back. and we'd rolled up a joint. And we got so high, we were teleporting. We would like find ourselves in the kitchen. After the wedding. We'll be staring at each other on the couch and then all of a sudden we'd be in the backyard. We were barbecued. We were fucking 16. I think my girlfriend at the time was 15. Josh's my age. He was 16 and we were just time-traveling. All over the fucking building, we were way too high.

SPEAKER_09

01:32:23 - 01:32:32

That's how I described the first and only time I ever smoked dust. Oh, Jesus, you did that. Well, I hung out with like when I was one of the neighbors I moved into.

SPEAKER_04

01:32:32 - 01:32:38

Dude, this is there a fucking gateway drug to dust and tell me, yes, it's called cellos.

SPEAKER_09

01:32:42 - 01:34:13

I don't know but here's here's my story as I moved on to this street called Independence Avenue in the Valley it's like West Valley kind of the Soto Sherman way-ish and it was heavily Latino neighborhood and like we moved in and it was cool I mean like I lived in I came friends with a lot of people but like I went from like the end of elementary school into junior high right in that era. So like once we hit the junior high, it's like a lot of the the Mexican kids I was hanging out with started hanging out with you a little bit older Mexican kids and a lot of them were dealing in like kind of gang life over there. It's just part of the way they get down and so and a lot of them like the fucking do dips, which is like a fucking shirm cigarette dipped into my fucking Angel dust. Angel dust. Sounds so healthy choice. Dude, it's how I wound up with this. This little tattoo right here. First tattoo I ever had in my life. This little three dots. Normally it's supposed to be up here, but I wasn't in the gang. Oh, and so it's like for some reason they I was so fucked up. This is what wound up. I mean, this represents what they call me Vita Loka. It's like little three dots here. But it's like that happened because I smoked dust. Because these dudes pass me the shirt. I didn't really know what I was doing. I was like this man. And literally the way you're just described that time traveling, it was like, I felt like if I thought of something to do by the time I was finished with the thought of thinking to do it, I had already done it. I'm gonna call my mom. Goodbye mom. Like that kind of thing. Like it was like fucking nuts. I fucking never experienced anything like that.

SPEAKER_02

01:34:13 - 01:34:14

I was terrified.

SPEAKER_09

01:34:14 - 01:34:47

I was terrified. I was terrified. I didn't know what the post going on. Yeah, it's almost like, you know what? I mean, gave me a lot of feelings as if you remember the first Friday movie. when Chris Tucker reflects on like somebody snuck him a little piece of dust any fucking life. I didn't lose my mind naked doll that shit, but I feel like I was the butt of a joke that night. Like somebody gave me some dust. It was like, let's watch fucking the white boy fucking trip on dust on that. She's gonna be nice. But it made for a good story on Joe Rogan. So now I'm gonna read it.

SPEAKER_04

01:34:47 - 01:35:23

I had an Xbox and coach who had his finger bitten off when he was on dust. and he had his toe removed and his second toe replaced his index finger and he made it curled so that he could keep throwing right hooks because he didn't so when you'd shake his hand you'd shake his hand you'd get like that's what's on here you get a toe bone so when you shake his hand you get a little of this and he's a big old Irish gorilla you don't want to say shit because you'll beat the fucking do it as a toe or as index figures can be.

SPEAKER_10

01:35:23 - 01:35:25

That should be written into a movie. That's how it should be.

SPEAKER_09

01:35:25 - 01:35:27

You know what I mean? That's like something about a snatch.

SPEAKER_04

01:35:27 - 01:35:34

I knew a lot of savages when I worked in Boston. When I worked in South Boston, I worked at this place called the Boston Athletic Club.

SPEAKER_09

01:35:34 - 01:35:40

That's still the most important thing. You know that you did that to my palm. That's scary, man. That's still great.

SPEAKER_04

01:35:40 - 01:36:19

Yeah. Do you know that I worked at the Boston Athletic Club? And then I worked at a notalist plus in revere. I met a lot of revere Massachusetts is like, what's that place in Brooklyn that's like all guinea's? And what is it? Benson, Benson, right? Yeah. That was like the Bensonhurst of Boston was like revere. And I worked in a gym there. So I was around a lot of crazy people. I was around a lot of people. I was around a few people that got like indicted for murder. I just one dude. It didn't get indicted. He got arrested. I don't know if they ever even tried him.

SPEAKER_09

01:36:23 - 01:37:05

long story short and that's where you're leading this I don't even know how much I can talk about this guy's life we don't want to cross any lines all right it was a nice guy but I think you might have fucked a few people up well there's nothing weirder to me I don't even weird it I don't know if that's the right word but strange and uncomfortable as being around And I'm not talking about like X Marines or guys who've been in the war or anything like that. I'm talking about, but like a civilian person, and I've been around quite a few of these kind of people, whether it be Biker gang guys or whatever, that you know, you know, you know, have fucking killed me.

SPEAKER_08

01:37:05 - 01:37:07

You know, you know that, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09

01:37:07 - 01:37:15

And they're, you're not feeling threatened by them. You don't think they're gonna kill you, but like you know, it's, there's a, you know, I used to train a guy who's in whitey boulders gang.

SPEAKER_04

01:37:16 - 01:37:54

He was like, you know, he was like, I don't know if he was a hitman, but that was like the rumor that he saw what at least. But he asked me why I was teaching him. He asked me if I was going to kill someone, what's the best place to hit him? And we sat around talking about it. We were me and him were talking about this. When I was a black belt and he was a white belt. So it was like a valid conversation for him to be having with a 20 year old kid. And I was like, The neck, I would hit someone in the neck. Your neck's very vulnerable and people get knocked out very easily if they get hit in the neck. Sometimes even more so than the head, there's like, yeah. And we looked at each other and I'm like, okay, this is what I want you to work on right now. We're gonna work.

SPEAKER_09

01:37:54 - 01:38:41

That's funny because I had a cousin. When I was young, like before, like, like, probably 1918, I was in California visiting and he was a correctional officer. who an upstate New York and he said the thing they were taught first is because all they walk around there's only like maybe 30 guards at a time on duty and what six hundred to a thousand prisoners right now depending on what what the circumstances are and all they have is a big metal key ring and they're taught the first thing you fucking do is punch a dude right in his fucking throat yeah if you're feel like any kind of thing that's the and then he told me that like that he was like if I was going to give you any advice and you felt like you were fucking say the first thing you should and I And he explained it well enough that I knew as even as a young man like you're playing with a person's life punching them in the fucking Adams apple.

SPEAKER_04

01:38:41 - 01:39:27

You know, you with a kill them with a full like he was like well with that we even just with your fist if you hit him right you would be amazed You'd be amazed at how much damage people could take actually I'd rather get punched in the Adams apple than I would get kicked in the side of my head like around here because this is what shuts you off it seems like Again, many things can shut you off, just with the caveat. Like you can get shut off with a kick, even almost like the top of your chest snaps your head back so much you can get shut off. But there's something about net kicks. like Bung! Dude, just go. They just crumble. They do. And sometimes they crumble from chin shots, but I think it's the same thing. I think what the chin shot is doing is somehow another pinching the garden hose that is a spine and shutting the system off.

SPEAKER_09

01:39:27 - 01:39:38

It's also, if I'm not mistaken, you're viewing your brain sits in that little bit of fluid. And if your skull moves fast enough, the brain doesn't move as fast and it touches the... It's the brain touches the skull. That's lights out.

SPEAKER_04

01:39:39 - 01:40:13

That absolutely too. Also, I think the same principle, like rear naked chokes and head kick knockouts are not the same in that. A rear naked choke is a way safer. Like if you get choked unconscious, you're going to be fine. If you get head kicked unconscious, Ooh, you gotta take some time off. Like you could just get fucked up. But the mechanism behind them is kind of similar in that it's cutting off the circuitry, not like specifically because the choke is like stopping the blood, but the head kick is just cholting. It's like rebooting your computer. The head kick I would imagine.

SPEAKER_09

01:40:13 - 01:40:32

I've never experienced it nor can I throw one there high, but I would imagine why it might be worse is because like all you get punch and it's the motion of the head almost and the brain not moving that is causing a knockout if you get kicked like this it's a shin it's everything your head doesn't get to move so the brain is actually just getting slammed against the other side of the fucking skull

SPEAKER_04

01:40:33 - 01:40:46

I've made this point really recently, and even yesterday, I think people should have no gloves on when they fight. I think fighting with gloves makes it easier to punch people, which is more unrealistic. And getting kicked in the head is way worse than getting punched in the head.

SPEAKER_09

01:40:46 - 01:40:53

It's the same argument for Olympic head gear. That's why it's going away. That's what causes more problems than it's actually worth at this point.

SPEAKER_04

01:40:53 - 01:41:01

I also think it's unrealistic in terms of like the limitations of your body. Like there's limitations of your body with punching people. And that's that your wrist's bend.

SPEAKER_09

01:41:01 - 01:41:17

Like anybody's ever punched someone or you can don't tape or just raw. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because tape is really what the problem is. When you tape this wrist, like so well that I can't really fuck it up, I'm going to throw it with a band. Well, also it's with no abandoned. You, right?

SPEAKER_04

01:41:17 - 01:42:58

If you can, if you can tape, here's a band with no abandoned with no abandoned. I don't think there's anything wrong with two people agreeing with a rule set, like they agree. Okay, we're gonna wear gloves and we're gonna wear ghee pants. Like things like those lines. But like, if you can wear gloves, gloves for a striker, are the equivalent of ghee pants for a really good jujitsu guard player. Like if I got like Eddie Bravo is allowed to wear ghee pants and he gets you wrapped up. If you're like some regular dude, you're going to sleep. You're gonna get fucked up. You know, unless you look somehow, even like Hoyler Gracie, fucks up when he's wearing the G-Pants. Because he knows that those G-Pants provide insane amounts of friction and traction, can clamp a hole to you, and they can do some shit to you that you're just going to be super uncomfortable with. In a way, that's as much of an advantage for him to be able to wear the G-Pants as it would be for a striker to wear the gloves. But only as striker gets to wear the gloves, like the grapplers have to wear shorts. like it's really kind of interesting because having your your knuckles taped up and having your knuckles padded up is a real advantage for someone who knows how to hit things because you can you could be like much more relaxed and liberal with your use of punches you don't have to worry about hitting bones but you would never allow that the other way. Like giving the option of a striker to wear hand pads and then a grappler to wear ghee pads. It's really, it's like we have a very accepted idea of what civilized. One of the things is you cover your knuckles. It's kind of stupid because you don't have to cover your elbows. The people are smashing and slashing people up with their elbows. My case against it is that it's not logical. It's just historical. We're just going by a tradition. It's not a logical tradition.

SPEAKER_07

01:42:58 - 01:43:00

I'm still Queen's a Marksbury kind of.

SPEAKER_04

01:43:00 - 01:43:07

It is kind of, but it's because these are these are limitations that we inherited from a single discipline.

SPEAKER_09

01:43:07 - 01:43:16

It's also like, if you think back, not not that long ago. a 75 round fight isn't wasn't unheard of.

SPEAKER_04

01:43:16 - 01:44:10

Yeah, they didn't have no CTE. There was no Will Smith movie. There was no, no one knew what the fuck was going on. There was no real sports of prank humble. Nobody had any idea that getting the hit in the head for that long would be that bad for you. Crazy. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating when you think about it. But I really do think that the gloves, I think we're doing a huge disservice to the art of fighting because I think we have unrealistic expectations based on the idea that you could just punch someone with padded knuckles. I think if we didn't have padded knuckles, we'd be much more clever and how we use our hands because you might break your hand at any shot and it would be easier to choke people. so jujitsu would be more effective. Two of those things are way better for the athletes and way better for the the honest interpretation of what fighting is. The problem is no one's going to agree to that because people go from home they're going to look at it and go, oh, this is barbaric. This is horrible. They don't even have gloves on.

SPEAKER_05

01:44:10 - 01:44:11

They're better not go.

SPEAKER_09

01:44:11 - 01:44:16

Or the first time a guy catches a tooth in his face and it's, and it's just like something they're going to do. You catching in your elbow.

SPEAKER_04

01:44:16 - 01:44:48

Yeah, exactly. You're fishing your chin or your chin to the choir with me, but What's the difference between you catching one in your knuckle or catching one in the end of your foot when you kick someone's face sideways? You can wheel kick them in the head with your heel, but you can't punch them with bare knuckles. It's stupid. It's a dumb rule. It's a whole six to twelve thing. That's stupid, too. It doesn't work. But I'll leave that. I'll leave that and take no gloves any day. I really think there should be no gloves. I think even for strikers. I think, yeah, man, you've had some dudes up. You, you fucking give a dude like.

SPEAKER_09

01:44:48 - 01:44:53

What about, you know, it's just like protecting your necklaces again, but no taping.

SPEAKER_04

01:44:53 - 01:45:02

What if that would you would protect your knuckles and skin? Why? What are we looking at? We're looking at why we're looking at it.

SPEAKER_09

01:45:02 - 01:45:09

We're looking at exchange of bodily fluids if I punch you in the teeth. You know what I mean? Oh, silly.

SPEAKER_04

01:45:09 - 01:45:12

You're getting that from everything. You're getting that from arms.

SPEAKER_03

01:45:12 - 01:45:13

We choke people.

SPEAKER_04

01:45:13 - 01:45:29

People get silly like people get bitten when they've been choke. When you choke like a rick like you watch Damian Myover's Rick story and he's going like right over his face and you don't think he's getting a little bit of bite. You get bites in your arms. You don't even they're not even trying to bite you. They're trying to breathe and you're crushing your arm here.

SPEAKER_09

01:45:29 - 01:45:43

Do you see his arm come away bleeding or something? I'm saying there's the rare occasion of like though, but not but the far less rare would be if there was no gloves and you're punching a guy in a mouth. You're going to catch them teeth. You're going to be a lot more cutting of the hands, too. I'm just playing devil's app.

SPEAKER_04

01:45:43 - 01:46:27

You know, it's a good It goes lower teeth and upper teeth. And then you have a space in the middle. Bernard Hopkins always used to fight with one of those. and it covers your lower teeth and your upper teeth and there's a space in the middle and you breathe through that and you breathe through your nose and you get used to doing that. And the lower mouth guard, the problem with having only an upper mouth guard is most people do that, but only an upper mouth guard will work for the most part. But there is, if you're bare knuckle, there's a real argument for using an upper and a lower, because you're dealing with a different situation. Well, even then you just have a fitted to your face. I'm just happy. I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is.

SPEAKER_09

01:46:27 - 01:48:27

Shout out to Benardo Bernard Hopkins. My favorite fighter of all time personally. I know my favorite. My favorite. He's my favorite. I'll tell you why he's my favorite. I'll tell you why. First of all, I saw his last fight. I was there in the forum and it was a bummer to me. You know, you're better than that and your fucking career will be forever because here's when I knew Bernard Hopkins was the fucking man. All right. He was I be real. I've always been surrounded by Latin guys. All right. That's just all the dudes I know are Mexican, Cuban, and he's kind of guys. You know, be real is one of my best friends on earth. Sick jacket. That's another you know these are all Latin dudes. They're all Spanish guys Mexicans and whatnot So anytime a fight like that would come up, you know, they're all taken the Felix Trinidad or the whoever what of course he was fighting Felix Trinidad We were all watching at B Real's house when there's more fucker Took the Puerto Rican flag he was in Puerto Rico Talking shit on Felix Trinidad at the time, the fucking almighty fucking son of all Puerto Rico. Took the Puerto Rican flag, which if you know about Puerto Rican guys and I know plenty of Puerto Rican guys, you put that flag on anything. They got so much pride. They'll buy it, they'll wear it, they'll wear it, they'll wear it, they'll wear it, they'll wear it. Everything, they get crazy. He took this flag in Puerto Rico, threw it on the ground and stepped on it. Jesus. Why go back, you guys, I'm sure it's on YouTube. where he steps on the Puerto Rican for an important matter literally told my friends if he gets off that island nobody on our speed in his ass I was like because they should be trying to fucking kill him right now if I know anything about Puerto Rican people and when he got that when the fight came that day I bet everybody in be really used to throw like barbecue's every fight like it would be that's what we would be that was our routine because and then with all any time it was like a black guy versus like a spanish guy it could be any kind of spanish guy I would always like bet a kid's house and more times than that I won but like he'll he stumps on the goddamn flag and got out of that island we threw it it took it away from feeling

SPEAKER_04

01:48:28 - 01:48:30

to the ground, then he beat his ass.

SPEAKER_03

01:48:30 - 01:48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

01:48:30 - 01:48:32

I feel like he caled him in the ninth round.

SPEAKER_08

01:48:32 - 01:48:36

I feel like he caled him right there. Well, he definitely landed us.

SPEAKER_09

01:48:36 - 01:48:43

That's why he caled him right there because it's like if you didn't get stabbed before you got off the island of Puerto Rico, that's a win.

SPEAKER_04

01:48:44 - 01:48:45

He put a lot of pressure on himself though.

SPEAKER_09

01:48:45 - 01:49:06

That's how I, that's why I always knew I was like the executioner's my man. I'm just for the ball factor of that. That's a big ball factor. I mean, if you would have pulled that New York, I would have said you were fucking crazy in Puerto Rico. Yeah. Jesus man, that's a huge nut. That's what took the dude who was in jail for most of his life and was living off commissary donations.

SPEAKER_08

01:49:06 - 01:49:09

It was a brilliant performance to in that fight. He kicked ass.

SPEAKER_09

01:49:09 - 01:49:14

You know, Bernard, until the last He beat the shit out of field.

SPEAKER_08

01:49:14 - 01:49:15

He's like five six fights of his.

SPEAKER_04

01:49:15 - 01:49:31

He beat the shit out of everybody. Well, you got to realize he's like 51, which is incredible. When this fight out, I want to say he was 34 35. Yeah. Well, he was old. Well, he was old because he spent so much time in jail. Oh, my God, what a beautiful counter punch. But you know what this show is always about him.

SPEAKER_09

01:49:31 - 01:49:37

He lived like a monk. He was always in train. He never fucking party, never any small, never just has food.

SPEAKER_04

01:49:37 - 01:49:41

That's the big thing. He was saying he eats very healthy and clean.

SPEAKER_09

01:49:41 - 01:49:43

He was one of the early advocates of the raw diet.

SPEAKER_04

01:49:43 - 01:49:45

Anything. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_08

01:49:45 - 01:49:49

He also was a brilliant boxer. I just loved execution or came out with the mask.

SPEAKER_04

01:49:50 - 01:50:08

Dude, you got to realize this guy got passed. He got passed 12 rounds. It's a very good covalet without getting knocked out. And he got rocked and dinged several times in that fight. He fought covalet in his prime covalet who my opinion is top three or four pound for pound in the world. I mean, it's hard to get the least number one right now.

SPEAKER_09

01:50:08 - 01:50:15

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

SPEAKER_04

01:50:18 - 01:50:52

I would have to like go over it with a really good spot in judge and like I don't I mean, I know what I think about boxing, but it's not his Crawford fight. We put it on that Cuban or whatever do you put the fucking he's he's in the argument for number one pound for pound of the world is I feel like it's a much too little god beat right? Controversional fight but closer to the fight but I heard it was controversial some people disagreed with it, but my what I feel is that like Terrence Crawford and Loma Chanco are the guys who put it on people to the point where they just run away from it just set the fight right run away from it

SPEAKER_09

01:50:53 - 01:50:56

No, but they just set the big fight. They're fucking trippling you.

SPEAKER_10

01:50:56 - 01:50:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

01:50:58 - 01:51:07

What you think? What you think? It's a very important fight. It's a very important fight because like you look at how good can I look against who this is with Travis Juniors? Yeah, man. What do I come on?

SPEAKER_09

01:51:07 - 01:51:10

Let's be real. Respect to pops. Respect to pops all the way.

SPEAKER_04

01:51:10 - 01:51:12

I think that guy got stoked.

SPEAKER_09

01:51:12 - 01:51:50

Travis Juniors was never, ever, ever, ever anywhere. He shouldn't have been in there. The only thing he got every, the only reason he got in is because his name was Travis Juniors, man. Honestly. You're a hundred percent correct other than the few good he's had some good performances Sergio Martinez once he got busted for that we shit it seemed like after that it was now held the kid just didn't care anymore. You know what I equated to this person. I don't know the guy. I'm not assuming I'm my take on it Is he just got tired of fucking trying to be the fucking his dad. What a hundred and something and how many losses it was just that was one of the greatest of all time Yeah, this is why when I hear this Floyd me from like 40 and some. Oh, didn't dude go like 70 something at all? Why does that no?

SPEAKER_04

01:51:50 - 01:52:12

No, no, no, he didn't he didn't and my trip in yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the my fast for Facebook fake was what was the what was just Google what was I was a record before he lost? There's two of these are putting amateur fights or something before Loma Chaco is only had one amateur loss. He's got one professional.

SPEAKER_09

01:52:12 - 01:52:23

I'm checking boxing because I've become such a UFC fan. I'm like I'm some cats. I have friends like my buddy Vinnie Pass from from I love Vinnie Pass. Yeah, he fucking hates him and me fucking hates it.

SPEAKER_02

01:52:23 - 01:52:32

He says he's up to fight Please Joe don't get it. Don't cut to the fights with me.

SPEAKER_09

01:52:32 - 01:52:37

No, I'm there that day when Vinnie passed comes I'm an invitation to open invitation any pass.

SPEAKER_10

01:52:37 - 01:52:42

Let's do it in July July 8th. No, I won't be mad.

SPEAKER_09

01:52:42 - 01:53:19

I don't think I'll be back, but if he wants to go. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want to be there, but if you change that opinion out yet because he's a boxing like if it but he is I know the fish and I know he is I know he is I know he is I know he is I know he likes disrespect the MMA games to a certain degree like okay with your little like comments to you know this is real fighting you know in the streets Floyd Mayweather would get his fucking ass busted by conning maroon it wouldn't even be close but it's my destruction it would be conema Gregg are grading Floyd met with mayweather's face into the pavement like part of my john cheese that's what it would be

SPEAKER_04

01:53:19 - 01:53:31

He would just rip his legs out. It was just rip his legs out. That's it. Floyd didn't tag him with a knockout punch for the first few seconds. That fight. Connor would be way away from him kicking his legs out. Hands out. I read this article. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09

01:53:31 - 01:53:41

He probably saw about like what if it was like a what if article. What if Connor took the fight with me whether and just came out picked him up slammed him on the fucking ground and dismantled him and like ripped his arms. Just to do it.

SPEAKER_04

01:53:41 - 01:53:43

He could do it. I mean, he really could do it.

SPEAKER_09

01:53:43 - 01:53:50

If you wanted to take him down and just be like, okay, I lost all the money and everything, but I still kicked his assies and that's nothing. MMA destroys fucking.

SPEAKER_04

01:53:50 - 01:54:04

He would go to jail or something would happen because there would be, here's a problem. There'd be betting, right? It'd be all these people that bet against it. What do you do there? Because Floyd wins by disqualification. You knew you were going to do this. So you didn't go into this with good faith. Class action lawsuit against Connor McGregor.

SPEAKER_09

01:54:05 - 01:54:08

Wow, you're taking a what if article way too far.

SPEAKER_02

01:54:08 - 01:54:10

I do everything. That would be funny.

SPEAKER_04

01:54:10 - 01:54:22

So I do with everything. It's my problem. No, I love it. I go deep too deep. No such thing there. It's going to be an interesting fight if they fight. I think she's fight with no gloves. See what the fuck's really going on.

SPEAKER_09

01:54:23 - 01:54:49

Hey, one other thing real quick since I'm really I'm really Joe started me drinking whiskey before the podcast that suit you and the afternoon his idea. I'm mad at you Come on don't act like you didn't say let's drink some whiskey All right now if you expect ever last to say no to let's drink some whiskey that you have made the faux pas But what I want to say real quick is cuz I've been drinking and I haven't been there in a while either my good friend Jason Ellis just won his king of the cage match.

SPEAKER_04

01:54:49 - 01:54:50

Yes, he did go one by some

SPEAKER_09

01:54:51 - 01:55:05

Yeah, see one outright by submission at congratulations Monday. You fucking worked hard for that and that that inspires me that kind of shit inspires me when I see Jason do that. I'm like fuck I'm making a lot of excuses for shit

SPEAKER_04

01:55:06 - 01:55:07

He did real strength in conditioning.

SPEAKER_09

01:55:07 - 01:55:16

We're like, no, he's trained. The first of all, he beat up a couple MMA guys. I mean, Ray, uh, uh, uh, whether it was Gabe Roodabar or whatever, he beat that I was there when he beat him up.

SPEAKER_08

01:55:16 - 01:55:19

It was a move. I watch beat him up. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_09

01:55:19 - 01:55:38

That's the guy who actually fights whatever you want to say about all the weight cuts he missed on an ultimate fighter. So that guy's a professional fighter. Yeah. Jason beat the shit out of him and knocked him out. Yeah, all right. When I heard about this file was taken, I'm like, you're going to win this fight dude. I know you went, but yo, you fucking won that fight dog. Real deal. Love you, congrats.

SPEAKER_04

01:55:38 - 01:55:43

Yeah. And um, did everything he had to do. Like, did the real shit to get in shape.

SPEAKER_09

01:55:43 - 01:56:46

That's why I'm saying he's inspired that kind of guy's inspiring to me, remember, because what he does is he chooses something and he says I'm going to commit to it. There's a I was saying I think earlier, I'm here because I followed road signs and I just, I, I consider myself adept at reading the signs of life and where I'm when there's the, the forks in the road. I happen to be good at making the right choice. There's certain guys that don't give a fuck about the fork in the road and determine their own fucking path and decide you're kind of one of those dudes. And I admire that, you know, I mean, I admire what I do. I know I recognize there's a skill in the talent and of blessing and what I do, but there's something about being of decide something and fucking make it so. Even though maybe it's not supposed to be so. And that is my next. Jason life. Maybe not to it. If I even if I don't achieve it to understand it, how it's possible, how could I be there? How could at 20, maybe I have understood a little bit differently? So maybe by the time I'm 70, God willing.

SPEAKER_04

01:56:47 - 01:58:43

It's an illusion. This is the illusion. The illusion is that you're looking at the ultimate results from your perspective and you're saying, how do I tune myself in? How do I get totally connected with what I really want to do and not be influenced by the opinions and the ideas of others? How do I find my true sweet spot? Right? The problem is we all look at other people's destination. Again, like that crazy quote that comparison is the enemy of joy. It's really kind of the same thing. The thief of joy. Yeah, the thief of joy. The whole key, I think, to anything you do, whether you're a guy who makes furniture or a woman who paints or whatever the fuck you do, whether you're a rapper or a blues singer or a stand-up comedian or an author or whatever the fuck You do. The thing is, and this is a cliche expression, but there's a reason why people keep expressing it over and over again. Get out of your own way. Half of the reason why you're not tuning in perfectly could, to whatever fucking vibration is available to you in the universe as you get in your own fucking way. You get in your own way with insecurity and with ego and with expectation and with pressure and with all the different judgments you cast on different forms of art that you may or may not like, like, you're wasting time. You waste an energy, it's clogging up your gear, as you only have a certain amount. You've got to manage your attention the way you would manage oxygen if you were in a spaceship. You've got to say, I can't give away this stuff to bullshit. I can't be sitting around wondering if, you know, whatever the fuck it is. If it's not relevant to your life, you waste and wait too much time thinking about this. Okay.

SPEAKER_09

01:58:43 - 01:58:58

Let me come at you. Okay. This is personal. This is personal. I accept everything you just said as truth, but let me throw a personal angle at you. Yes, sir. I want to be in much better shape. Okay.

SPEAKER_08

01:58:58 - 01:59:00

Okay. We can do that. We can get that.

SPEAKER_09

01:59:00 - 01:59:31

No, here. Let me get to the search circumstances. Every. I have a life that presents me with a lot of problems that can. make emotional conflections with what I'm trying to achieve in life. Right. Legitimate ones. Right. You know what I mean? Cause certain I won't call myself ever depressed because I don't like that word. I mean, I do get depressed but I want to use the word like, oh, I had depression. I think a lot of people lean on some shit and like try to actually milk it in, especially in media.

SPEAKER_04

01:59:31 - 01:59:48

Do you want to see something right now before you keep talking? That's going to change your life. That's going to like lock into exactly what you're saying and you don't even know what I'm going to finish saying but yes. I'm going to show you the way. Jamie, go to my Twitter page and pull that Jaco good. Watch this. Watch this. This is very important, my friend. Please. This is very important.

SPEAKER_09

01:59:48 - 01:59:54

And I trust in you enough to be like, oh, back in from the beginning. I won't take a fence that you didn't hear the finish of my story.

SPEAKER_04

01:59:54 - 01:59:55

Bring it to the beginning.

SPEAKER_03

01:59:55 - 01:59:58

Yes, put it up on the stream. And give us a call.

SPEAKER_04

01:59:58 - 02:00:05

We're at least going to play one more war point video because I promise you guys give me give us a volume. Listen to this one of my

SPEAKER_01

02:00:06 - 02:02:10

direct subordinates, one of my guys that worked for me. He would call me up or pull me aside with some major problems, some issue that was going on. And he tape off. We got this and that and the other thing. And I look at him and I'd say good. And finally one day he was telling me about some issue that he was having some problem and he said, I already know what you're going to say. And I said, well, what am I going to say? He said, you're going to say good. He said, that's what you always say. When something is wrong and going bad, you always just look at me and say, good. And I said, well, yeah, when things are going bad, there is going to be some good. That's going to come from it. Didn't get the new high speed gear we wanted. Good. Didn't get promoted. Good. We're trying to get back. Oh, mission got canceled? Good. We didn't focus on the other one. Didn't get funded. Didn't get the job you wanted. Got injured. Spray my ankle. Got tapped out. Good. Got beat. Good. Not unexpected problems. Good. We have the opportunity to figure out a solution. That's it. When things are going bad, Don't get all bummed out, don't get startled, don't get frustrated. If you can say the word good, guess what? Who means you're still alive? It means you're still believing. And if you're still breathing, or now, you still got some fight left in you. So get up, dust off, reload. We calibrate. We engage. Go out on the attack.

SPEAKER_09

02:02:24 - 02:02:31

My kids got pneumonia and her fucking left lung to a degree that nobody fucking knows what to do and fucking even the doctors are perplexed.

SPEAKER_04

02:02:31 - 02:02:32

Well, you're right about that.

SPEAKER_09

02:02:32 - 02:03:08

What are you talking about? This is my question. This is why I was saying. I'm not asking for sympathy. I'm not asking all of them saying. I actually came on the show today to say if something is wrong, if somebody in the Valley area or LA greater area, my Twitter's OG ever last, my fucking everything's the same. OG ever last or Eric showed you on Facebook legitimate. I need a little help. I need a little help in the sense that I want to be in better shape, but I travel so much and then at home is a stress of like, I want to go to the gym. I couldn't go to the fucking gym for the last 10 days. It was either me or my wife or the fucking husband.

SPEAKER_08

02:03:08 - 02:03:09

You don't know Joe.

SPEAKER_09

02:03:09 - 02:03:58

I don't want to make you feel bad at all. I want to say it's like that's that was beautiful. Who's that guy again? Joko willing. Joko willing. That is fucking supremely motivational on any level, except what I'm trying to say is like skating your way around this fucking kind of emotional fucking dilemma of like, it's hard. Of course. And I'm here saying it's hard. That's, that's, I'm actually bringing it up to say. No one's in it. I'm failing in certain ways at what I'm trying to achieve. And so like, that's what I mean when I say I'd see Jason and I know Again, I got a little extra. I got a little extra to deal with. I got a little my backpack has a little more weight emotionally and mentally, okay? But I'm not making that an excuse. What I'm saying is is like, how do I be more like that? How can I put that? I want that. I'm asking. Well, what he's given.

SPEAKER_04

02:03:58 - 02:04:04

And that's a great opportunity. But again, he's talking about very specific situations, giving you opportunities for personal. I got down.

SPEAKER_09

02:04:04 - 02:04:18

I'm fucked up. It's when it's just fried. It's the other thing. There's a whole different level of like mental challenge. I'm not saying what he's saying is wrong. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but how do I find that in that?

SPEAKER_04

02:04:18 - 02:04:23

That's tough. It's what he's proposing to principles. He has the answer.

SPEAKER_09

02:04:23 - 02:04:24

Please fucking holler it.

SPEAKER_04

02:04:24 - 02:04:34

No, this and man, the principles that he's proposing when he's saying that, you can apply them to everything. Figure out how you can take whatever situation you're in and improve your position.

SPEAKER_09

02:04:34 - 02:04:42

I should do 400 curls a day and be as buff as Joe Rogan. I can't, how do I get to him? I'm making fucking... I don't even have to throw.

SPEAKER_04

02:04:42 - 02:04:42

I don't even have to throw.

SPEAKER_09

02:04:42 - 02:04:51

I don't even have to throw. Don't get literal with me. All right, cause two drinking whiskey, you're drinking water. That's whiskey. I only got to drive a block. You got to drive however far.

SPEAKER_04

02:04:51 - 02:04:54

Interesting. Someone's comparing.

SPEAKER_02

02:04:54 - 02:04:57

Oh, boy. Oh, what? The thief. The thief of joy.

SPEAKER_10

02:04:57 - 02:04:59

It's crept into a trap.

SPEAKER_09

02:04:59 - 02:06:10

No, that is actually just meant to be like a little. You know, I want that. I found that very motivating. But what I'm saying is like, there's this hurdle. I understand of cap or lieutenant Dan. That's got some real fucking anger issues. I'm working them out. I'm working on them. I'm this is really the whiskey. I'm being more honest than I even thought I would be today. Okay. Okay. But you're I mean, they You don't get on a fucking platform like Joe Rogan and say, hey, I'm failing at this unless you're fucking trying to do something about it, you know what I mean? I want to achieve I don't want to be you, but I'm like, I see the way I don't watch it. I, you know what I'm saying, but I'm watching your videos about running about running. I do another thing that is also gotten to me and gets me to when I do get to work out. It's because I hear Joe Rogan tell me, don't let the inner bitch fucking get you. And that's been a big motivator for me. It's like, but there's it's not an inner bitch to be disturbed and upset and your life up heaved by this thing. It's absolutely not.

SPEAKER_04

02:06:10 - 02:06:17

It's absolutely not. Do you feel where I'm coming from? I think, but what he's saying in this video, what is applicable and you can argue whether or not

SPEAKER_09

02:06:21 - 02:07:25

I said on a personal level and I'm not trying to argue with you or be argumentative is I'm saying on a personal level that's the level of it the level of that that that inspirational message is great, but I'm struggling of course you are with this part of it like how do I if I got my arm broken and snapped by a guy who tapped me out or or life just kicked my ass and I didn't get the job or the opportunity I wanted and good. I understand that but I am personally struggling with. Nice and he says an excuse not using this but the truthful emotional fucking agony of like seeing a child tell you like And not just tell you, but go through this hospital of the last two weeks, these things of like, how do I be stronger? And what I'm saying, I'm not being argumentant with you again is saying, please, if you got a book, throw it, tweet it to me. If you're the dude who fucking is local and says, I know how to help. Plus, I understand, I have a heart valve replacement. My workout should work.

SPEAKER_08

02:07:25 - 02:07:27

I can work out. I can work out.

SPEAKER_09

02:07:27 - 02:08:37

Let me tell you why working out gets weird for me. I'll start. I'll do good, I'll drop 15 pounds. Bang, boom, boom, boom, and then I'll start to push myself. And I'll get distrustful of my own heart, like a pain or a tinge. That really might not be anything. We'll come along and fucking scare this shit out of me because there's nothing. I never was afraid of anything in my life until I had children. And the only thing I'm afraid of on this planet is not being here for my children. My life or death, I do not care. I've died twice literally. All right, I don't care about that. But now there's this fear of like, these children, these girls, not even boys. I honestly even feel I would feel differently if I had two boys. Like, they'll be all right. I can instill the manly shit into them while I'm here. But my girls, I'm a, the my biggest fear in life is not being here for them. And I'm good. I'm healthy. I accept for about 25 pounds of weight. I'm actually my blood works. All that my doctors are all very happy with me. The only complaint they ever have and the only complaint I ever have is I have some back pains sometimes I'm a sleeper.

SPEAKER_04

02:08:37 - 02:10:12

Let me stop. Let me stop you with all this talk because you have a lot of reasons why things aren't working physically the way you would like them and I'm asking for help. I'm definitely saying like that. Yes, I would like help. I understand you are, but there's too much extra energy spent on things that aren't helping you. I know you have these time constraints, but the focus on them is counterproductive. Because you have the time constraints, the time constraints, rob you of your time, and then the focus thing on the time constraints, and the agony of those time constraints, and the fucking frustration of having those time constraints, robes you of more time and more energy. You just got accepted. You got to be zen about it. I had a friend here on it. He's a comedian from Boston. His name's Tony Vini. He said something to me once. It's very important. And it applied to the rest of my life. And it was a very simple statement. He was driving from Boston to New York several times a week, several times for some job he got. And I'm like, how you do that? And he goes, you know what I found? When I get in the car, I just go zan. I say, this is what I'm doing. I don't concern myself with the fact to watch the dishes. I don't concern myself with the fact that I can't believe I have to do this. Oh, my God, what was me? He goes, I just do it. And then I thought about that that day and then I applied that to my life because that's the best advice anybody could ever get. If anybody was doing anything, they don't like to do. Of course, you don't like to do it. But to concentrate on the fact that you don't like to do it, compounds, they not like to do it, aspect of it. It makes it worse.

SPEAKER_09

02:10:13 - 02:11:14

actually what you're describing is actually a lot of the stuff I'm reading right now which is like the art of mindfulness which is again when I keep saying watch the dishes the watch the dishes it's it's kind of like saying exactly like wash your dishes to wash your dishes don't wash your dishes to get to the next thing because you're not living life you're not breathing you're not living in your moment so I'm working on that but at the same time I'm still saying like I also I you know what I found In the last couple years, especially through the little social media that I managed to be successful at, that people want to know the real deal. I shouldn't fucking perfect over here. There's a lot of things about me. I'd like to be better. Right. You know what I mean? Just because I make good money and I ain't hungry. I can eat filet mignon and all that every night. You know, I do live really nice. I'm very fucking grateful for my life. There's a lot of fucking dark. You don't see that if you saw, maybe you wouldn't, all this fakeery. There's a lot of fake, like I said, Instagram, Facebook, a little while.

SPEAKER_10

02:11:14 - 02:11:16

How dare you? Whatever.

SPEAKER_09

02:11:16 - 02:12:01

You could bring him up. But yeah, you know what, that is, you know what, that has been bringing a little ball out of the non-stop. That's the cherry on top of fucking fuckery. You know what I mean? Yeah. So what he got called out for, he was on a flight. At least he was in, you know, on a plane in first class, wasn't he? Well, as you can see, my business at least, I fly business. I don't fly for a sci-fi business. As long as I can lay down, as long as the tape, things like this, when I fly to Europe, I'm cool. Yeah. But, you know, and the few times I have flown private, I Instagram next. Oh, yeah, because I don't fly private. Dude, I know what it really costs. Right. You know, you didn't even cheap. It's not. You know, when I holler at Dana, like, hey, can I catch a lift in the flight? And I don't get a response. I know it ain't cheap. because that's my dude.

SPEAKER_02

02:12:01 - 02:12:03

If it was cheap, he'd be like, yeah, come on.

SPEAKER_04

02:12:03 - 02:12:08

That's funny. I think they have to log you in exactly the reason why.

SPEAKER_02

02:12:08 - 02:12:08

This is why.

SPEAKER_09

02:12:08 - 02:12:29

So yeah, why is ever that going? Why is it because you play my song every event? How's that? Is that good enough? That's important. Every event. And I love Dana for that. Thank you, man. I love that fucking 35 cents I get for that shit every time. Is that what you get? Probably something in that neighborhood. If it's one time in an area. But Vink about only past 35 cents? Well, the radio only plays five. So I'm just assuming that we need a man.

SPEAKER_04

02:12:30 - 02:12:33

Every time your song gets played on the radio, you get five cents.

SPEAKER_09

02:12:33 - 02:12:40

Basically somewhere in that neighborhood, somewhere between five and ten probably. What a weird deal. Hey, dude. It gets played a lot because the checks.

SPEAKER_04

02:12:40 - 02:12:47

I'm sure the checks are fat because you deal with a lot of countries, a lot of humans, seven billion people that five cents as the fuck up.

SPEAKER_09

02:12:49 - 02:13:00

It does mailbox money. We call that. It's a good way to describe it. Like I said, you know, I mean, I mean, I honestly like saying, Hey, throw it up. Somebody local my diet, you know, my diet is working on that. I told you sold.

SPEAKER_08

02:13:00 - 02:13:02

It was my fucking enemy. None.

SPEAKER_09

02:13:02 - 02:13:05

That's my bane of my clothes because Coca-Cola's it is crack.

SPEAKER_04

02:13:05 - 02:13:10

Well, Coca-Cola is my crack. Don't don't ingest poison.

SPEAKER_09

02:13:10 - 02:13:13

Do you drink coffee in the morning? Yes. I don't hate coffee.

SPEAKER_04

02:13:13 - 02:13:30

I've been a story to make you live forever. Well, it's the article that I retweeted. I said I want to believe. It said coffee can make you live longer. I didn't even read it. I read that article for like half a paragraph. I find it in the paragraph number two before I clicked my email.

SPEAKER_09

02:13:30 - 02:13:35

Let's play another war porn video because I was fucking dope.

SPEAKER_04

02:13:35 - 02:13:40

Let's play another war porn video, Jamie. Post I got a pee bad.

SPEAKER_09

02:13:40 - 02:13:43

But I'll rip back. You and whiskey, brother.

SPEAKER_03

02:13:43 - 02:13:44

One's called, okay.

SPEAKER_05

02:14:38 - 02:15:10

It's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low, it's so low Like mama don't blast like atomic bomb cashin' We've been alone in the pool, let's travel on in the quail And if all make it fun, leave the urge for living on fish Who faxed at hatch, who's free, man, bad at coups, god tossing

SPEAKER_00

02:15:33 - 02:16:25

Burn it pop me to scratch, learn it 17 black, turn it keep the blast, burn it. No one can't brain match, no one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. No one can't brain match. Red enough against the classes No choice in the street ring, but there's that cast That's thinking boom With the sickest crumbs, walk us free by that wall With the flicker tool, burnin' noise on the rock in the licking tool Throw the tally's branch away when you get so, shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin', shootin

SPEAKER_03

02:17:00 - 02:17:05

Whoa.

SPEAKER_01

02:17:05 - 02:17:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08

02:17:07 - 02:17:17

Perfect timing. Perfect timing. And you're back. Yes, sir. Had to release some whiskey. I understand. I did as well.

SPEAKER_09

02:17:18 - 02:17:24

Shout out divine style. He did all the tracks for the record shoutouts. I mean, it's I gave him like four already, but still.

SPEAKER_04

02:17:24 - 02:17:26

I think this is the most shoutouts on podcast.

SPEAKER_09

02:17:26 - 02:17:39

Well, I'm gonna say shout out Joe Rogan. How you like that? What up? No, me. Shout out to Everlast. Shout out every Bravo. Shout out. Tate flat. Hotest podcast I ever did in my life. Get some fucking air conditioning in that building.

SPEAKER_08

02:17:39 - 02:17:40

It takes the war.

SPEAKER_09

02:17:40 - 02:17:56

No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

SPEAKER_04

02:17:57 - 02:18:08

Yeah, he's uh, what's hilarious? I did it once and there was a dude playing drum solos. Next door. Like some dude in the building next door was playing the drums. You could hear through the fucking walls.

SPEAKER_09

02:18:08 - 02:18:15

Like, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, it was kind of a rehearsal studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

02:18:15 - 02:18:17

And I was like, dude, does this happen off? And he's like sometimes today.

SPEAKER_09

02:18:18 - 02:18:23

So he's got to get a smoke serpent read mixes on, you know? Yeah, man. It's my dude.

SPEAKER_07

02:18:23 - 02:18:24

I like that guy.

SPEAKER_09

02:18:24 - 02:18:52

He keeps offering, introduce me to a dude out there in Corona near where I live to work out. He said he got a black belt out there. You know, I, you know, I was doing a little Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with Marcus Vinicis over at Virginia, uh, Beverly Hills, Jiu-Jitsu. I was literally probably one lesson away from my blue belt when I just everything signed a kind of a haywire in my life. Lay the was born and all this all this stuff happened. And I kind of moved south. I didn't live here anymore.

SPEAKER_04

02:18:52 - 02:18:58

Well, your friends are Joey Diaz. You should go with Joey. Joey does it in Burbank. If you can make it up. Yeah, but I live in this. I live an hour and a half. Fucking. Well, okay. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you.

SPEAKER_09

02:18:58 - 02:19:00

I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you.

SPEAKER_08

02:19:00 - 02:19:02

I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you.

SPEAKER_09

02:19:02 - 02:20:31

I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place near you. I'll find a place I know it doesn't happen often, but anything like staff or anything like that is so dangerous for Leila. That is really scary. So like working out in a gym with like 40 guys working out, there's two frightening things for me working out in a normal Gjitsu class. The fucking average novice that doesn't realize he's fucking stupid and fucking pulls my left arm out or my right arm out and I can't play guitar for fucking six weeks or a month or six months even. You know, so I only train with the teachers. That's my way. I just say, hey, I'll pay for that. Whatever little extra of private would have. But obviously brought 80 doesn't live out that way. So, but he told me he was like, I got a fucking guy out there. He's awesome. He's a fucking black belt. Just fucking awesome. And I just, I haven't followed up as much as he hasn't gotten back. It's not like he's ignoring me or anything. I've lost about 15 pounds, honestly, with all this talk we're saying. It's called The Great American Worry Diet. Yeah, especially at one that doesn't serve meat or caffeine, you know, shout out to the seventh day avatists who don't eat meat or caffeine in like the most stressful situations ever Yeah, loving the aim. But, you know, obviously, I won't even say the, they took such amazing care of my daughter. I love every single one of them.

SPEAKER_04

02:20:31 - 02:20:32

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_09

02:20:32 - 02:20:36

They're non-meeting, non-coffee drinking asses. I love them all.

SPEAKER_04

02:20:36 - 02:20:44

Maybe try that diet. Keep riding it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it.

SPEAKER_09

02:20:44 - 02:20:52

It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it.

SPEAKER_08

02:20:53 - 02:20:57

How do you get around worrying about your own kid? You're gonna have to read some books on some of you.

SPEAKER_04

02:20:57 - 02:20:59

Yeah, I'll try. How to do that.

SPEAKER_09

02:20:59 - 02:21:18

I'm trying. I'm trying, but I'm also here, I'm feeling myself, I've smoked a little, I've drank a little. I trust the Joe Rogan person and his audience that, hey, if there's an interesting idea out there, go ahead and shoot it. I'm sure someone will find me. There's gonna, hey, and I know I'm gonna get like 400 fucking shitty ideas, but if there's one good one out there,

SPEAKER_04

02:21:19 - 02:21:24

Great. Yeah, there's going to be dudes who we recommend video games.

SPEAKER_02

02:21:24 - 02:21:27

I'm a f***ing GTA-5 f***ing solved all my problems. Jump, dude.

SPEAKER_04

02:21:27 - 02:21:30

Jump, bro. Jump, bro. But virtual world.

SPEAKER_02

02:21:30 - 02:21:31

A f***ing, dude.

SPEAKER_09

02:21:31 - 02:21:33

Ping, Pong, change my life, man.

SPEAKER_04

02:21:33 - 02:21:39

You know what, you're, you've been given a very difficult test by whatever my life itself. And you know what?

SPEAKER_09

02:21:39 - 02:22:24

The truth and the matter is, it's up until that. Man, I had a easy ride. Okay, so don't feel bad for me. But if you got a suggestion, please shoot it my way. Because I'm off. I'm at this point in life where it's like, I've understood, again, the communal. I think beyond the music lesson of it being communal, as a human being, we are communal people. Yeah. And it even hails back to the beginning of what we talked about, the blues and the reds. They are trying to separate us because we're communal. And if we all actually sat down, even the most fucking worst, opinion over there and the worst opinion over there if we are all in the room together we could find somewhere over here where we could both at least Be the least bit angry at each other.

SPEAKER_04

02:22:24 - 02:22:30

I honestly think we should eliminate political parties. Thank you. I think what we should have is just a bunch of people with money out of politics.

SPEAKER_09

02:22:30 - 02:23:56

Very much is pull money to hear that's interesting idea. Here's an interesting idea about England. All right. England announces their elections. There are three months from the announcement of the elections till the election for you to legally campaign. Why is that good? It's better because I want to again, hailing back to what we said earlier, the day after their president selected, it seems like they're talking about who's going to run in 2020 already. Right. All right. And this, hey, we might be in a particularly weird circumstance now in America. And again, I won't, I won't even delve into that. What I want to say is, But the day after our president is elected, we shouldn't be talking about who's going to be the next fucking president until that guy fucks up enough to say who's going to be the next president. There should be this and again, we are in some extremely absurd and weird circumstances at the moment, but under normal circumstances, I would this my argument would just be We're Americans this guy got elected through the process we all agreed to and even now I'll say that but dudes are already fucking again. That's why I don't want to visit that because that's a whole fucking four hours on his own. Honestly, I don't know and I just don't want to even go there, but Give America a fucking chance. You know what I mean? Am I making any sense? Because I feel like four whiskeys now, brother.

SPEAKER_04

02:23:56 - 02:24:05

I make what your idea is of America versus what everybody else's idea. We need to come to some sort of clarification. My idea is this.

SPEAKER_09

02:24:05 - 02:24:19

And I don't mean to interrupt you. My idea is this is that you could be the furthest away from me you could be. And I could be way over there. But if we were in the same room somewhere we in here, we'd find a place that we'd be like, all right. I can live with that.

SPEAKER_04

02:24:19 - 02:24:35

That's the idea. We'll need to figure out what these things are that we're talking about living with because I don't think there's very many of them that we're very agreeing disagreeing rather on between the left and the right. I think there's a lot of bullshit and I think it's a lot of what we're talking about. Okay, this tribe. I think the people who think this is the sand.

SPEAKER_09

02:24:35 - 02:24:58

The people who elected this personal president right now. Personal president. Yeah, yeah, the personal president. It's a personal president. This is a very few amount of people. There's really truly very few people that are his base. 35%. Let's keep it real now. Let's keep it real. Let's keep it fucking real. Yeah, because a lot of bailed on him because they realized what they voted for was not what they thought they voted in protest almost. A lot of people.

SPEAKER_04

02:24:58 - 02:24:59

What's his approval rate? It's pretty low.

SPEAKER_09

02:24:59 - 02:25:41

It's fucking the lowest in history. Is it the lowest? And again, I don't care what I'm saying is like a lot of people said fuck the whole system and for a second they bought into the fact that this guy actually might think the same when this guy has spent his entire life fucking over the working class dude. In fact as much as I'm a I would have voted the other direction for whatever you want to say and again, I don't give a fuck about Hillary Clinton. I'm not telling you the fucking world would have been saved by Hillary Clinton. Fuck that shit. All right. That was an entitled motherfucker person who was only given that fucking position because for some reason, the people, the elite of that party thought it was her turn or something. I don't know. That was wrong. That's just as much their fault for losing as fucking people.

SPEAKER_04

02:25:41 - 02:25:43

We should be talking about politics for a week. Fuck it.

SPEAKER_09

02:25:43 - 02:26:39

It's already there. I'm drunk. What I'm saying is this is that dude is gonna give me a tax break if he's successful and the guys that actually voted for him the union guys and the fucking working class guys are gonna get fucked over and at the end of the day they'll be regretting it as much as like some of the things he's spitting at you and saying to you or appealing he's not that fucking guy Just like fuck Hillary Clinton fucked on a trump so you can't be mad at me Fuck all of them. Bernie Sanders was probably our most logical choice, but I said fuck him because I read his tax plan and he would have fucking raped me. So it's like, there's gotta be, I don't know, there's gotta be a whole new system where the money is, there has to be a flat tax kind of thing where every fucking person from corporation, the problem is too many corporations are considered.

SPEAKER_04

02:26:39 - 02:26:45

Dude, we're talking way too much about politics, you're freaking me to fuck out. I can't do this anymore, Jamie!

SPEAKER_09

02:26:46 - 02:26:51

I don't hear. I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying, this is as a person, everybody.

SPEAKER_02

02:26:51 - 02:26:52

It's not politics.

SPEAKER_09

02:26:52 - 02:28:28

It's like the floor. The fact that they're separating and dividing. You could be a white supremacist. You could be a black fucking nationalist, whatever you want to be. They're fucking playing on that. They're playing on that. This is designed. Facebook, all of these algorithms are fucking designed to design. What do you want to see on your page? Well, remember that. Well, what is this conversation right now? If everybody will just remember that, I just think it's a fact of the way they set up programs. They set up a program to say, what's going to be most like the guy who invented Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, where was his team, whoever's his team, once his, the people who use his product to be the happiest they can be with it, correct? I'm assuming here's the direction we're going with this okay, so if they look at the things you click on right and start developing a pattern and an algorithm right and click on these extremely right things or you click on these extremely left things sooner or later that's all that's gonna be on your page Instagram even changed their fucking algorithm to it's not like what was just last posted right it's what was last posted that's most popular and what's appealing to you that you like Okay. I mean, that's where I'm going with this. I don't, is that these people are, they don't understand. You're being catered to. You're being fed. You're being fed ideas. You want to be fed. You're not being challenged. And I've always said this about, even personal, my art. If there's not somebody, it goes back to being in the room by yourself and why I got stagnated with making a record. If there's not somebody in that room, somehow to challenge your idea, your idea isn't the best it can be. Ever.

SPEAKER_04

02:28:30 - 02:28:50

I understand what you're saying, but I think that an alternative point of view would not be that you're getting fed would that be these algorithms recognize your interests and whether it's golf or South American fishing or fucking skydiving, whatever the fuck you're interested in. You start searching for that. It'll give you things that you can search with your search and not what you're liking.

SPEAKER_09

02:28:50 - 02:29:01

And it's like you're saying, the conversations that you've best had in your life are almost alternative opinions. And those start getting filtered out of your feed.

SPEAKER_04

02:29:01 - 02:29:09

And then that's only your own choices. If you choose to go, why don't you just search out things that are alternative to what you were doing?

SPEAKER_09

02:29:09 - 02:29:38

Because you're Joe Rogan and you think like that. We're talking about the guy who works fucking 40 hours a week who gets on Facebook and sees what comes down his feed guy that he's no different than you are. I hope he's listening to you. I'm sure I hope he is. I hope he's listening to you, but you hear what I'm saying, though, right? Like it's not a fucking dismissed idea that there's guys who got their heads fucking down, just trying to get their paycheck for the next week to get the fucking mortgage paid and they look up for a long enough time and maybe Facebook is the one thing they look at a week and then that's where they get their information from.

SPEAKER_04

02:29:39 - 02:29:54

Yeah, but that's not Facebook's fault. Good Facebook creates an algorithm that reinforces what you're in train of. I'm saying you're aware. I understand what you're saying. But you're saying it also in the way of like, I'm like, these people are victims of this. This is just a simple algorithm themselves, but it's not even there.

SPEAKER_09

02:29:54 - 02:32:30

But they don't even, they're not even aware of that they're victims of themselves. And they are. I would, I would say they're creating their own universe. They are completely creating and this thing is allowing that. All right. It's filled you can block whatever you want out if you don't want to see something. You can create and what do they call it in the fucking and curate your own universe. Right. All right. And let me tell you something about resistance. What I find interesting like Keith Oberman resistance sort of sort of he's sometimes he okay. He can be a prop again. He's a prop again is too. He's a prop again is too like Michael more everybody there's no true center right now. That's why I keep coming back to like how do you know what's truly true right and you want to know where I find truth where comedians comedians are the new punk rock Comedians truthfully are the people who are challenging the status quo right now. Whether you're talking about the guy on HBO has the last week tonight show or the daily show kind of news more Americans and this is a studied fact trust comedic news as truth then they do fucking Anderson fucking Vanderbilt Cooper. Vanderbilt. He's a Vanderbilt. He's a Vanderbilt. I'm just throwing it out. You know, he's amazing. I mean, he comes from a very fucking privileged family dog, you know, and he represents a very leftist stand. It's fakeery is what I'm saying. He's a Vanderbilt. All right. That's what I'm saying. It's like saying he's a rock a fucking fellow. All right, and if you don't follow me to see Rockefeller. No, Rockefeller not Rockefeller. Oh, all right. Rockefeller like the fucking evil fuck that just died. Oh, he's bad guy. All right, bad guy. All right, 1%. He's a one percenter. All right, trust that. Trust the people you're watching that you trust Fox News CNN on this bullshit and hey, I might get a lot. I didn't even look at Twitter letters later. So fuck all y'all. You know, I mean, I don't look at Twitter. I don't care. So if you hate what I'm saying, I don't care. I'm going to say it. Anyways, do you know because what I'm saying is for the greater good it's like I'm not telling you I'm the left I'm right I'm saying there's a place in the middle where we're all fucking people and we all give a fuck about the same shit like our lives and our children and our eating and our fucking having a roof over our head and there's no reason that the richest fucking planet on earth can't figure these fucking problems out and the only reason there are problems because they want there to be problems and for you to fucking be fighting with each other you're blue where you're red choose it cripple or you blow

SPEAKER_04

02:32:30 - 02:32:32

I don't even know. What's up? What's up?

SPEAKER_09

02:32:32 - 02:32:33

What's up?

SPEAKER_08

02:32:33 - 02:32:34

What's up? What's up?

SPEAKER_09

02:32:42 - 02:33:23

That's what they're doing. That's what they're doing. And I know we didn't want to go here and I know I tried to push it off for like hours. But I ain't making it personal about a president or I think I'm saying there's a system in place that's fucking keeping us locked down. And it's fucked up and it's money related. And if we took money out of it, we could get more of an honest politician who would actually give a fuck about your kid. and whether there's fucking power lines going over your house, or whether you got health care, or whether you got this or that. Until then, don't expect me to give a fuck about any y'all. That's the truth. We talk to any y'all. Any y'all that buy into this system and ain't ready to change something and say that something should be different.

SPEAKER_04

02:33:23 - 02:33:24

I think everybody thinks something.

SPEAKER_09

02:33:24 - 02:33:33

No, they don't because they're not doing shit about it. They're not doing shit about it, Joe. And I'm not trying to be angry with you. I love you. You know, I love you like brother. Okay, but not even bullshit.

SPEAKER_04

02:33:33 - 02:33:34

Oh, bullshit aside. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_09

02:33:34 - 02:33:52

There is no bullshit. There is no bullshit in this. So you say you're gonna have to put aside what I'm saying is like until people want to realize that there's an answer. And the answer is pulling corporate and fucking it. If you can't, there should be a limit on what you could donate to a fucking politician. Should be like a hundred dollars or a thousand dollars. Let's make it a thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_04

02:33:52 - 02:33:54

I think it's ever. They took like

SPEAKER_09

02:33:55 - 02:34:31

whatever there should be some kind of system that says it's not fucking the coke fucking brothers pumping billions into a dude whether it's through into in misdirection or fucking with it let's keep it fucking real man this is this we're getting fucked as a people Hey, I do well. I'm doing myself a disservice by even saying shit. Do you think they're going to come get you? No, but I think they're going to tax me more if I keep preaching the style of life. I believe I will pay more taxes.

SPEAKER_04

02:34:31 - 02:34:33

that they come get you. I will talk more.

SPEAKER_09

02:34:33 - 02:35:35

No, not come get me. You're fucking playing me like I'm dumb. You're doing the, you're doing the entertainment thing right now. I'm being sober right now, Joe, is that I'm saying they will fucking tax me more. Yes, if the government and the way of life, I think I should pay more. Yes, and the fucking person who makes $36,000 a year. But you know what? If my account is smart enough, I don't have to. That's honesty. All right. I can fucking figure out a way not to pay as much taxes because I have a lot of money. I'm talking about totally legally. Okay. I'm talking about what your president is pulling right now that he's never shown you his taxes. All right. He's pulling the it's you can easily skirt a lot of taxes if you have a little bit of information like a lot of motherfuckers are dumb enough to buy cars. All right. I don't buy cars. I'll keep it fucking real with you. I don't buy a fucking car. I at least a fucking car. You know why? Because it's a fucking basically almost 100% fucking tax right off.

SPEAKER_04

02:35:35 - 02:35:43

A guaranteed billbird bought his car. Bill, I love you. You're one of the funniest guys ever played games.

SPEAKER_09

02:35:43 - 02:35:46

If you fucking least cars, you can write off the fucking payments.

SPEAKER_04

02:35:46 - 02:35:50

He was in front of you right now. I'd be like, fuck you. I want to own it. Good.

SPEAKER_09

02:35:50 - 02:35:56

Good. Own it. And then when you want a new, I like new cars. So guess what? I get a new one every fucking two years.

SPEAKER_04

02:35:56 - 02:35:58

Jesus Christ, you're aggressive with this car thing.

SPEAKER_09

02:35:58 - 02:36:12

No, but what I'm saying is there's games that are played that you're not even tripping on because they sold you on the opposite angle. They got rappers telling you that fucking owning your shit outright is perfect. So pay a hundred thousand dollars for that car drive it off like get a dent in it. It's worth fucking 40 grand now.

SPEAKER_04

02:36:12 - 02:36:24

I understand you're very passionate about this, but I don't see both sides. I could see that someone would want to lease something because it'd be a nice place. especially if you're incorporated which I'm sure you are and that's what I am. But it's a game.

SPEAKER_09

02:36:24 - 02:36:37

Well, I'm a new says I was got money has the games down because I have the guys who give me the information. There's a lot of guys. That's not your average show can pull this off. No, you don't have being incorporated doesn't involve being rich.

SPEAKER_08

02:36:38 - 02:36:39

I understand that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

02:36:39 - 02:36:53

But the fucking guy. Listen, his Nissan Centra doesn't. And he could actually incorporate himself and fucking write off his fucking $300 even a month payment. Like there's ways to get, yo, there's fucking games that are being played that people don't fucking know about is my point.

SPEAKER_04

02:36:53 - 02:37:03

I understand. This is a deep game. It is going to thank games that are being played that people don't know about. I love you and I feel like maybe I'm drunk. I love you. Look at it. Me like I'm talking stupid shit, right? Definitely drunk.

SPEAKER_09

02:37:03 - 02:37:10

We're both a little bit, but we're best. Drunk is way first. Drunk. I'd be trying to fight you, Joe. Well, it's not too bad. We're friends.

SPEAKER_04

02:37:12 - 02:37:36

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SPEAKER_09

02:37:36 - 02:37:42

I'm about to have it hooked up for you. You're going to be a fully licensed. I just want something to slip of my wound.

SPEAKER_04

02:37:42 - 02:37:43

You're going to be a cult.

SPEAKER_09

02:37:43 - 02:37:45

You're going to be so in.

SPEAKER_08

02:37:45 - 02:37:47

You're going to be able to start your own chapter.

SPEAKER_04

02:37:47 - 02:37:50

Excellent. All right. Is it like an AA thing? Well, no, it's a good dad game.

SPEAKER_09

02:37:51 - 02:38:21

okay it's good dad gang that's what it's called my man terminology who's on the war porn album a rapper started it as a movement for like you know inner city kind of shit to get the good dad thing going and it's good dad and he's blowing it up and it's doing really well good and I'm gonna get you a bunch of merch all right you can go get it also a good dad gang dot com I make not a goddamn thing off it that's a shout out to that fucking hole for this is insane this is a record number shout outs ladies and gentlemen I hope you've enjoyed this show as much as And my plan myself for something, Joe, because you've got to. Or is this just a good podcast? Just fun.

SPEAKER_04

02:38:21 - 02:38:22

Okay, because you need to have me.

SPEAKER_09

02:38:22 - 02:38:29

And that's two things. Either we did a good cop podcast or it's like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It's like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time.

SPEAKER_08

02:38:29 - 02:38:31

It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time.

SPEAKER_09

02:38:31 - 02:39:02

It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time. It was like, Oh, my God, it was just a good time Express love for love for humanity. I don't give a fuck if you voted for Donald Trump I don't give a fuck if you voted for Hillary Clinton all that political shit What I was trying to point out with that and I'll end it on this is All of us are not involved in the game that's being played We are victims of the game is being played in a lot of ways and that doesn't mean like we can't change shit There's it's easily changed, but we're told it's not easy

SPEAKER_04

02:39:03 - 02:39:08

We are in a hurricane. Get the fucking money out of politics. No logical.

SPEAKER_10

02:39:08 - 02:39:11

The co-brothers can't donate to the fucking party.

SPEAKER_09

02:39:11 - 02:39:13

They can't affect the fucking election.

SPEAKER_04

02:39:13 - 02:39:18

This is a hail storm. Some of these ideas were good. Some of them were buzzed.

SPEAKER_09

02:39:18 - 02:39:22

Some of them were fucking fun to listen to.

SPEAKER_04

02:39:22 - 02:39:28

I'm entertaining. I hope if you take anything out of it, it's Jocko Willing's video. Good. That's it.

SPEAKER_05

02:39:28 - 02:39:28

No.

SPEAKER_02

02:39:29 - 02:39:34

That's a good part. It's a good, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good, it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_09

02:39:34 - 02:39:40

But dude, that was already on internet. This was brand new. And actually, I love you. I love you. I love you.

SPEAKER_04

02:39:40 - 02:39:44

I love you. I gave you jewels. I agree with those. Those jewels are powerful.

SPEAKER_09

02:39:44 - 02:39:46

One more one point video before we go. Let's end it. No, I gotta leave.

SPEAKER_04

02:39:46 - 02:39:49

Be real. I got to leave. I got to leave. Be real. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave.

SPEAKER_01

02:39:49 - 02:39:50

I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave.

SPEAKER_04

02:39:50 - 02:39:51

I got to leave.

SPEAKER_03

02:39:51 - 02:39:51

I got to leave. I got to leave.

SPEAKER_04

02:39:51 - 02:40:00

I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to leave. I got to Do the ads while I can't. I can't, I can't. Honestly, I'm late already.

SPEAKER_10

02:40:00 - 02:40:05

Ever last I love you. I love you too, Jamie.

SPEAKER_09

02:40:05 - 02:40:06

I love you, Joe Rogan.

SPEAKER_04

02:40:09 - 02:40:28

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