Transcript for JRE MMA Show #104 with Cory Sandhagen

Mr. San Hagen. We're up. Thank you, sir. Thanks for being here, Matt.

Thank you. So, what do you tell me, Jamie? There's a UFO yesterday.

He says almost 100% M and I just saw UFO drop straight out on our way home from dinner. We stopped and looked at each other and asked if either of us saw it very bright ball of light going straight down out of the sky towards Lake Travis. Could have been a drone. Could have been some kids.

I just got a lot of attention as well. Well, he's famous, so you listen to his Twitter, I guess. I don't know. Have you ever seen anything crazy? No, no.

I want to think I'm seeing some crazy, but I definitely have it. I thought I did when I was a kid, but now I think I was probably lying. You know what I think about it? When I was a kid, I was probably shit. I probably wanted it, you know, I'm saying like I probably saw like a military jet and I thought and I wanted it to be something cool. Like I remember the first time I ever saw a stealth bomber, we were a film and fear factor and it was over palm and palm down, which is near Edward's Air Force Base. If I didn't know what that was, I would owe 100% think that was for another planet. Yeah. You know, when you see the thing black wing flying overhead, it's like pretty badass.

Well, that's the problem with anything like that. It's like it's the idea that you're looking at something from another planet is so It's so outside of what you see every day.

It's the COVID relief bill and inside the COVID relief bill, they gave, I think it was the CIA. They gave the Central Intelligence Agency a hundred and eighty days or something like that. to release all the information that they have about UFOs.

Oh, this is what we got. We got a blurry picture. Get the fuck out of it. Yes.

Yeah, the idea that they're going to tell these senators and all these elected people what they know, they're not telling them shit.

Maybe right now you're talking if Trump didn't tell everybody we're not gonna know Yeah, that's true. I think I remember when Chris Rock was talking about Obama and he was talking about Obama people were disappointed in Obama's first administration and he said you got to wait until the second term and that's when you do some really gangster shit and Obama didn't do any gangster shit in the second term, but If Trump got elected, again, in 2024, because you can only do it twice. If you got elected again in 2024, maybe he would tell us, you know, recount the votes. Maybe he would tell us, get on TV and that's the first shitty talks about right away. Here's what the, okay, include, included as a committee comment on the Intelligence Authorization Act, the committee, directs the director of the National Intelligence in consultation with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of such other agencies to submit a report within 180 days of the date of enactment of the act to the congressional intelligence and armed services committees on UAPs. Why, why can't they just say UFOs unidentified aerial phenomenon? What's the difference? Unidentified flying object they got tired of using that? So they changed it to UAP? Why are they going to fuck with us? I don't know, man. UAP.

Well, listen, man. Let's get to you. You've been on a fucking tear lately, son. You really have. It's super impressive. The Mala Mariah's KO, the Frank Yedger KO. Like you have looked fucking sensational.

I Do you think you got too comfortable?

Is that purposeful or is that that's all that was available because people weren't training as much because of COVID? How did you?

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Yeah, he's about to fight in just a couple days purely on for the band to my title. What are your thoughts on that?

Do you think he's doing that just because TJ's a big name?

Yeah, of course.

Do you think there is a level of intensity that's sustainable in a three-round fight versus a level of intensity that's sustainable in a five-round fight? Or do you think it's just a matter of preparation? I don't know. Have you ever fought a five-rounder and outside of the UFC?

Yeah, yeah, that caught a lot of people off-course.

Ireland's listening is going fuck.

I think they have one. Go to century martial arts. Bob is this they gave me one for my old gym. I had one in my gym at home in my old house in California. I don't have one out here, but I liked it. It's good for combinations because it's like it's so realistic. You know, it really feels like a and the head moves good. Yeah. You can really crack the head.

You get good. Yeah. And here it is. Bob. So is there a padded base for it? What's that there? I feel like I saw something like that. No.

Okay, so that's Bob with like a bunch of shit on them so you could leg kick them. That's cool. That's pretty dope. So that's like outfit that Bob wears.

Ha ha, my man. Look at that. That's fucking cool. So you actually can practice that. That's very cool. Yeah, that's I like that even better than the regular Bob.

So that's on Alphady where is that's the whole Bob? Oh, Jamie order one of those right away. We got to get one of them. All right. I like it. So you were practicing wheel kicks and stuff like that on on Bob. Did you have a traditional martial arts background at all?

I want to see, there's one guy in one, I've seen that has a nasty spinning back kick.

Just one guy who just keeps flattening people with spinning back kicks in the body. It's like getting hit by a car.

Let me see that show. Oh, yeah, yeah. Kevin Bellington.

That dude's got a good one. He throws it very quick, too. And he's always got his hips loaded up. He's looking forward to all the way. Boom, look at that. Come on, man. It's just like, what kick is like that? Yeah. You know, there's so few kicks that have that kind of power.

So do you have a guy that you said Christian Allen? Yeah. tracking coach. Does he have a background in that in traditional martial arts? Yeah, good at those.

So do you consider your style like your stand up style? Is it more tie based? Is it a hybrid? Is it like, what do you think of it is?

Yeah. He did a lot of train with Aldo, right?

So let's get back to this mindset thing. What did you do to change how you ramp up how you get into the octagon? Like did you just decide to be at 10 the moment you step through the door? Is it a mental thing?

But the third person view if you want to learn something or visualize being successful at it. That's strange because I would think you would want to see it the way you're going to do it.

Did you have a mental coach, do you work with them?

So did you come to him and say, hey, when I had this algemane sterling fight, I went in, I felt kind of flat, he was kind of pumped up and I was like, oh, yeah, felt it.

That's a really important point, right? It's like every fighter has to figure out what process works best for them, and it's going to be different for a wrestler versus a striker, a tall guy versus a short guy, a guy who's fast versus a guy who's got a lot of cardio. It's really going to depend entirely on your style and who you are as a human.

Sterling looks so big in that fight. I don't know how much weight he cuts.

My God for a 135 that dude is huge.

Well, his wrestling is super solid and his jujitsu is, I mean, he's, he's comes from Hanzo Gracie lineage, you know, he's a Matt Serra Black belt. His fucking, I was very impressed, unfortunately, for you, and that fight with his jujitsu.

But he's, you know, he's very respected in jujitsu, you know, in terms of like the guys who trained with them, guys who know how good he is, guys, you know, high level black belts.

He's real strong.

Yeah, he looks real strong. And he's a predator. Like that guy is always moving forward and he puts a lot of pressure on you. Algemaine has this crazy style, you know, if the fight turns into a striking contest, where he's utilizing a lot of movement, a lot of movement, and it's something he and I talked about in the podcast, he needs a lot of cardio to fight that way. And what's interesting about Piotr is that he is really good at picking his moments and pacing himself, and then slowly but surely accelerating the pressure. You saw that in the Aldo fight. I think he stopped Jose in the fourth round. Yeah, but that was what was happening. You could see all those starting to wilt. You know, Aldo is a sprinter and it's hard for him for whatever reason to maintain endurance over the course of a long fight. And that's been the case throughout his entire career. I mean, you go to the Mark Hominic fight. or Ricardo Lomus fight I think it was, where at the end of the fifth round, Lomus was on top, beaten him up, and he won the decision because he was beaten Lomus up for the most of the fight. Pretty short was Lomus. I want to say it's hominic. Maybe it was the case in both of those fights. But the point is, he's had issues with this cardio in his career before because he's like super jacked and you know, everything he does is like super fast. A lot of exploding.

The other thing about people forget Jose Aldo's high-level black belt. Jose Aldo beat Cobrinha in a straight-up judici tournament. And Aldo couldn't do shit with Piotr when it came to the ground. Piotr was on top. Aldo never really got a good position for any length of time in a grappling situation with him. The guy's fucking strong. He saw that in the arrive, favorite fight. He just bullied him around. He's very physically strong. And again, it's really smart when he applies pressure. And over a five round fight, he's, you know, he's been into the deep waters of the fourth, you know, championship rounds. I'm curious, very curious, curious, but curious to see if he could stop that shot. Because if Algeman gets him and gets him while he's fresh and while they're both fairly dry, you know, he could be in real trouble because Algeman knows how to close his show.

It's so crazy to me how stacked the 135 pound division is and how shallow the 125 pound division is. Yeah, 10 pounds. Like it's the only way class in the UFC. We're like the 10 pound difference is all I mean, you got figurado and you know Brande Moreno. You got some good fighters at 125. You got some good fighters, but you don't have like a who's who a murderer is wrong contenders like you do it 35 35 you've got so many killers and Henry some who those always threatening to come back again you know he's that's probably the big name right in the 135 pound division if you want to make some money yeah I mean yeah if he's being serious who knows what that guy's doing I will say though I'll give him some credit I think he's getting better at getting or at being cringy

Well, he, he's, if you talk to him in person, he's so, he's so personable and likable and friendly and smart. that you, you've got to know he's having fun.

Yeah. But this man, the guy can fucking fight.

I watched the dominant cruise fight again yesterday in the gym and I was like, man, that was a fucking hell of a performance. Hell of a performance.

Not really. Not at a championship level. Championship level basically everybody's ready. You do see some extra nerves with people like I felt like there's a heightened amount of nerves for Gilbert Burns. I felt like you know because it's just this big moment and you know obviously performed really good advocate but seemed to slow down early in the first round and it was pretty tired and the second round was mouth was open and I think it might have been an adrenaline dump might have had something to do with it. And I think that's a big factor. Like, here he is, all of the sudden, this is the dream. You know, it's actually happening. You've been thinking about it for years and years and years and all those days of training. Every time you're tired and you're doing rounds in the bag or you're hitting the meds, you're like, one day, I'm going to be the fucking champion. And all this is going to be worth it. And then that day's here. And that's a big moment for people. But Usman has been there. He's been in that moment, many times, and he looked cool as a cucumber. He just looked composed, and even when he got hurt, that was the big thing when Usman got hurt and rocked total composure. Yeah. Even while hurt, no sense of panic, nothing at all. He's like, okay, okay.

They don't have any quit or loser in them.

No self doubt. Yeah. A great example that also is if you look at, well, like the Tiren Widdly fight. This is his first fight for the title, right? I mean, this is the big one. He's fighting Tiren Widdly, Tiren Widdly, super dominant. And he looked like the champ. He looked like the champ like he was defending the title. Just put a fucking show on. Yeah. Dominated, you know?

Uh, 28. Perfect.

Yeah. Perfect Tom would be a top contender, right?

Yeah. That's like you're in your prime, but you've got a lot of room. Yeah. You know, you've got a lot of room to keep getting better and keep growing.

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Really getting her really getting yeah. I remember when who's from our Paul Horst would fight you'd have to everybody was so terrified of that guy and cuz he wouldn't let go cuz he would hold on to heal hooks so not only was I mean the dude was like five seven 200 and whatever the fuck pounds he was before he cut down to 185 just so stacked and so strong when he would get a hold of people you could see it in their eyes they were like And then he would dive on your fucking leg and he'll hook you and then he had this habit of holding on to submissions to the point where, you know, they kicked him out of the UFC for it. Yeah. I mean, who will fuck gets kicked out of the UFC for being successful? Paul Harris, it was the only guy where he held on so many times. They're like, do get the fuck out of here.

And, you know, when Nate was going to fight Paul Haris, I was like, well, he did something really smart and Nate got really sweaty before that fight. So he came in super sweaty and I remember Paul Harris went for a leg and Nate pulled his leg out and Paul Harris pointed his leg. It's trying to say that it was greased up and they actually checked his leg. It wasn't greased up. It was just sweaty. How do you how do you sweaty up your leg? You put on a warm up thing. Like you put on like one of them plastic track suits or one of them sweat suits. You know those sauna suits like a rubber suit. You could get super slippery. Yeah. You know, if you do that right before you go into the octagon, you can get real fucking separate.

Maybe. Well, that was the unscrupulous fighters in the past. One thing they used to do was the night before the fight. They would bathe in mineral oil. So they would lie in a bath and they would fill the bathtub up with mineral oil and water. And so your whole body is covered in water and you take a shower, but it's you're still sleek and slick. What? Yeah. And so you're not like technically greased up, but as soon as you start getting sweaty, you are so hard to hold on. What?

I don't think it is. I don't know though. It doesn't sound illegal. You could take like abling and rub it all over you like a lot of times. That's that's that's but you could do that and wash it off and even when you wash it off, you're still kind of slick. Yeah. I guarantee you people do it. I don't know if Vanilly Silver did it, but I know people accused him of doing it. Vanilly Silver, I think, put VIX vapor rub all over his chest too. And so he grabbed guys and pulled them in. And like, you know, they get like fucking VIX vapor rub in their eyes.

Yeah. No. That sucks. That stuff's not good.

And then you just, I don't remember who accused of randomly doing that. I don't know if it was even accurate. I think it was one of his early UFC fights that he won with knees and he grabbed the guy and pulled him into him. But it might be, it might be an excuse. Who knows, but I would imagine somewhere along the line people have used every single way to get away from a grappler.

Yeah, because even if you're not using like legitimate grease, right? You're not putting vastly not. What if you're just using like body moisturizer and you're putting a lot of it on, then you dry it off.

And then they touch you and it's like, well, it doesn't have

The Vaseline that you put on your face to like to prevent cuts and things along those lines. That shit gets all over the place everywhere when you start sweating.

That was a thing with Anderson Silva was a big controversy back in the day. We're one of Anderson Silva's fights. They vastly end up as face and then he takes his face, rub his fingers and he starts doing this. He put the Vaseline on his body and everybody's like, what the fuck? It was a big controversy. Now I'm just remembering this.

That one was a crazy one because it seemed like Tyson wanted to get out of the fight. But it also seemed like he was angry because a vendor did leave with his head and Tyson was getting cut. You know, because a vander would, you know, put his head down and plow forward and throw it. And I think Tyson felt like he was trying to head bottom probably was maybe. And they're trying to have a third fight together. This episode is brought to you by Rocket Money. How much do you think you're paying in subscriptions every month? The answer is probably more than you think. Over 74% of people have subscriptions they've forgotten about. Thanks to Rocket Money, I'm no longer wasting money on the ones that I forgot about. Rocket Money is a personal finance app that finds and cancels your unwanted subscriptions. Monitor your spending and helps lower your bills so that you can grow your savings. With Rocket Money, you have full control over your subscriptions and a clear view of your expenses. You can see all of your subscriptions in one place and if you see something you don't want, Rocket Money can help you cancel it in a few taps. Rocket Money has over 5 million users and has saved a total of $500 million in canceled subscriptions, saving members up to $740 a year when using all the apps features. Stop wasting money on things you don't use, cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to rocketmoney.com slash JRE. That's rocketmoney.com slash JRE. This episode is brought to you by SimplySafe. No one deserves to feel unsafe in their own home. Get a peace of mind with SimplySafe. It's advanced home security that puts you first. And these guys are some of the best in the business. They were named US News and world reports best home security system for five years running. And I think part of that is because simply safe has some of the most advanced systems out there with 24-7 professional monitoring and low upfront costs. Believe it or not, they have monitoring plans for less than a dollar a day. Picture this. You've been traveling for days. You come home to see your house has been broken into everything's a mess. They took off a lot of your valuables. And now your home doesn't feel as secure as it did before. With simply safe, that might have been avoided. Their systems and agents could have helped stop the crime in real time. Using this smart alarm, wireless indoor camera they could have seen, spoken to and even deterred the burglars while sending the police. and you get to go on with your life knowing that simply save has you covered. It's time to get the protection that you deserve. Try out simply save today, risk free. Right now, the listeners of this podcast can get an exclusive 20% discount on a new system with fast-protect monitoring. Just go to simply save.com slash rogan. That's simply save.com slash rogan. There's no save like simply save. See that? A vendor called him out on his Instagram yesterday. Yesterday. Yeah. She looks good, man. He's looks good. He's hitting the mince. Why not? Yeah. I'll probably watch it. The thing is they got to make it a real fight. Like it seemed like the Roy Jones Jr. fight. Like, I don't want to make any speculation because I look for that fight. I was excited about it. Two legends. But it seemed like there might have been an agreement to not hate each other too hard in the head. You know, like it seems like a lot of Tyson's big bombs were at Roy's body.

Yeah, let's just make some money here and not get any more brain damage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially Roy, I mean, he's a 168 pound champion, one at 175 and he did beat John Ruiz at heavyweight, but he wasn't a legitimate heavyweight. He was just so fast and so skilled that he could beat the heavyweight champion. but he's not heavyweight like Mike Tyson is a heavyweight. Yeah. Mike Tyson is a fucking heavyweight. Yeah. One of the greatest heavyweight knockout artists the world's ever known. It's a different thing.

Yeah, he looked good. I don't know what kind of drug test they gave them. They said they gave them tests. But I would say, listen, we don't need them. It's got the shows. You know, I've heard just talking about Overem not being in the UFC anymore. I say and that due to one FC let them choose to the guilt. Let's get back to the old way. Let's see what's up. You know, I want to see the Overem that fought Brock Lesnar. I want to see that show up again where everybody knows. Yeah, I mean, come on.

He apparently still does, which is crazy. And you look at that guy's accolades. I mean, there's very few human beings in combat sports that have the accolades that guy has. First of all, one of the Abu Dhabi European trials, crazy, right? So when's European Abu Dhabi's as a pro MMA fighter became the dream heavyweight champion, became the strike force heavyweight champion, won the K1 Grand Prix. I mean, what the fuck man, that is crazy. If you look at all the things that guys are down, please.

That's the real question. What stops someone from getting better? Is it age and injuries or is it inspiration? Do they look at it like a young guy? Because young fighters who are just starting to enter into their prime, they're constantly trying to add new things to their game. They're working with different people. They're constantly trying to improve because they don't feel like they're there yet. And then some guys that have been there before, they fought for the title, they've fought top contenders, and then you see this kind of pattern emerges, where they basically do the same thing, they fight the same way, and they're kind of protecting themselves from certain injuries that they have that might be chronic, and they don't grow and learn. And you always wonder, is that because of the injuries and the age, or is that just because of the attitude as well?

The demon of complacency.

That guy will keep you from greatness.

Well, it's interesting if you look historically at the evolution of MMA, the difference between MMA in 1993 and MMA today in 2021 is almost unrecognizable. I mean, there's a lot of the same techniques are applied, but the level is so fucking high now. And like, sometimes you see guys making their debut. And I'll just be like, this is crazy. These guys are so good. And they're making their debut.

Where was that video from that I posted that was, uh, or that I that we pulled up the other day that was that little girl who was six years old? Who's page was that on? She liked punching the tree. No, she would not have seen that girl on the ground. That girl was scary. That girl was a little older, but this girl was tiny and she was, um, Who's an Instagram, was it? Do you remember? Who's someone that we know? Anyway, she was hitting the pads and they had like a balance ball and that she was using that for leg kicks because she was so small. The guy was like leaning on that holding the pads for and then she would leg kick the ball. Fucking perfect technique.

That's sex. I mean, perfect. Everything was just crisp and fast. Remember who was? Fuck. Someone we know. Had it on their page.

Do you think? Yeah. Some kids are coordinated. I have one daughter that's really coordinated and like super, super athletic and one daughter who doesn't give a fuck. She likes to play sports and she plays lacrosse and basketball. She likes sports and she does it but she's not obsessed the way my other daughter is. My other daughter is like obsessed with like technique. She does gymnastics and she can do all kinds of crazy shit and back flips and round offs and handsprings and

I always really loves art, you know, and the other one is just, yeah. It's like some kids are just, and I think some of it is genetic for sure. I mean, you know, if you get like super athletes and they have kids, you know, you take two super athletes and they breed and they make a super athlete baby. That's logical. But sometimes you have kids that are like their parents are normal and they come out and they're just freaks.

It's funny people that have never done anything like athletics. It's funny watching them as adults try to do stuff. It was, you know, I remember there's been a few guys that come in a jitter that had really never done anything. They just decided, I don't get it. Just fucking try this and you'd see them like trying to move their body and they have a big belly and a little small arms and they're like, man, you got a long road to go. kudos to you for just because if you're an athlete say if you're a guy who wrestled or maybe you did some you know you did a lot cross fit or something and then you enter into a gizzi class well hey you got a lot of tools to work with you got a body that you're accustomed to moving around you understand what it's like to push yourself but if your person has never done anything And then all of a sudden, here you are with a ghee on and someone's grabbing you and you're like, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who

If you walk into an office building and just wander through the way like most people are not doing a goddamn thing with themselves, or if they did it was like when they were kids. Yeah. It's kind of sad. You know, you have one body. You know how to use it. Yeah. You can move it around a little bit at least. I agree with you. It's like having a car that you never drive. You're just leaving the garage. A lot of people do that too. A lot of people do that too. Yeah. It's interesting to see the progression though of the sport. Like there's no real real sport from 1993 that's unrecognizable like MMAs.

That's the Jordan days. You take Jordan out of the 1990s and put them in 2021. He fucking compete with anybody. The elites of them were, but the sport of MMA, it's totally, it's so different.

Yeah, I don't want to imagine like even kids learning wrestling. They know submissions. Like young kids that are learning wrestling. Like it's someone's going to show the, hey man, you know if you do this right here and then grab it like that. Like, oh, like you could fuck somebody up. Like they're going to, because they're already doing grappling. Yeah. They must learn submissions.

Yeah. Well, the guillotine, not the guillotine like this one, but the guillotine and wrestling, or they would call a guillotine, became the twister.

Well, it's like, I remember guys calling it the guillotine. But it was a it's a position where you would hold a guy for a pin and then Eddie Bravo turned it into the twister. That's the twister comes from this sort of similar leg entanglement that a lot of guys were used in wrestling. You know the twister, but when you're in the back, like say if you're holding someone's back, you lock down on the left leg, you wrap the right arm around your neck, so you baseball bat the right arm, you wrap it around your head, grab the top of their head and pull it. terrible spine lock. But it came from pinning someone that way. So if you can lock, you know, if you can get to the side of them and lock or hold a one leg and lean on them, you can get to a point where the guys, both shoulders are touching the mat. Yeah. And it's a good control position. That's where Eddie got that from.

Eddie was a wrestler, but he wasn't strong when he was a kid. So he's a leg rider. Like a lot of like guys are not physically strong as wrestlers become leg riders. Yeah, and so he when he got into Gigiitsu did a lot of leg transition stuff like one of his big things when when I first met him he was Either a blue belt or a purple belt. I think he was a purple belt. And he was doing a lot of like toe holes. He was catching a lot of people in toe holes. So he kind of uses legs. His upper body wasn't strong. And that motherfucker when he met me never lifted weights. Like, I'm like, dude, I'm going to lift. Come lift me. He's like, fuck that. He's like, I want to go get a burrito. And he was like, get high. He'd never lifted weights at all. Really? Yeah, until like, Deep into our friendship like a year or two and then he started lifting the trust you first Well, it's he just had a realize like you know if you want to compete against guys who are physically stronger than you it helps Yeah, it helps a lot to be strong.

Oh, that makes sense.

So a tall for 135 that's such an advantage. That length and reach is when you're trying to get a hold of someone and they can hit you literally six inches before you can get to them. That's a big advantage.

So what exercises did you do to improve your posture?

Um, hip flexors. That's a muscle that so few people work out. And there's this guy that I follow on Instagram. That's become very popular. Jamie actually turned me on to him that needs over to his guy. I started implementing a lot of what he does in my training routine and I actually got one of those monkey feet things if you don't know what that is. It's a thing you strap on to your shoe and you can attach a dumbbell to it. So you lift So for hip flexors to get them strong, it's kind of hard to do, but if you want to be a strong runner or if you want to throw hard knees, that's really where the muscle comes from. If you think about throwing a hard knee, a lot of that, and also with kicks, if you think about roundhouse kicks, I, you know, been kicking since I was a little kid. So I've got pretty decent hip flex or muscles, but I don't do an exercise to work them other than this stuff. Like, and I started maybe lunges, I guess, work them a little bit, but using this monkey foot thing, you can actually like lift weights with your hip flexes as you're lifting your knee up, and that's all that muscle. Yeah, see if he defined like a video of him doing it, but this guy has some really interesting perspective on a really interesting perspective on strengthening all the muscles around your knee and he calls it knee over toes guy because Traditionally if you thought if you talked to someone they'd say hey, don't ever have your knee over your toes because it puts a lot of pressure on your knee. It's bad for your knee and his idea is no build up to where you can have your knee over your toes easily and if you look at his Instagram, he does a lot of like crazy easy shit like where he jumps and lands with knees over toes and goes all the way down to the ground and then can spring back up like this shit and this is a guy's had like multiple leg surgeries and so look how he lands and he does a lot his his his Instagram it's knees over toes guy is his Instagram but he's definitely got that monkey foot thing in there somewhere James he's doing the tip thing which This is a crazy strength in his legs. Look, he goes all the way back, which is hard to do already, and then pops all the way forward. That's fucking hard to do, man. And that is all those muscles that we're talking about here.

And you see that pose that he's got in the middle there, Jamie, with that. Yeah, that one with the arrow. So that's showing like the opt, what happened there? that's showing the optimal position to strengthen like to have that sort of what do they call a split squat where you have that crazy angle where your knee is hanging way over your toes and you obviously you build up to it slowly like he's got Miriam Nakamoto do you know who she is yeah multiple time world kickboxing champion world more touch champion my friend Miriam Shahat Miriam she's a beast and she has a pretty significant knee injury that she's trying to recover from and she got a bunch of stem cells and shit shot in there but she's now doing a lot of this guy's program to strengthen all the muscles around it but see how he's into doing a lot of stuff that puts you in that position and let me the dude can fucking do some crazy shit athletically, but he also uses all these examples of different athletes that have incredible explosive power with their legs and they use these kind of exercises and they they're strong in these positions. So he shows his split squat, which is really hard to do, man. It's really hard to get down like that with that knee hanging way out over your toes and get all the way down. So your back knee touches the ground and then pull yourself back up. But it calls it dense strength. and it's just you're strengthening all your tendons and all the muscles that stabilize the knee and put the knee in a good position and for kicking things man and in for grappling I think a lot of guys can benefit from it and look how flexible the fucking dude is look at that picture right there and like he does a lot of stuff on slant boards if you go to that one that the video that we just on Jamie if him doing a full split yeah that one like so he does a lot of stuff on slant boards where so he'll have like like it's like a a slant board which is good for stretching your calves out and I started doing this because of him too and drop all the way down with a barbell and go all the way down to the floor and it's just tremendous hamstring stretch but also strengthening and you see the kind of flexibility that this guy has because of it I mean he can go all if you can go scoot that thing all the way up the dude can go all the way down to a full split and look at that he's doing a zircher squat grip like where you put it in the crux of your elbow with weights I don't know why he's showing.

I got him up. I don't know. I don't have to listen to him. But a lot of great exercises. So you can find that monkey foot thing. He's got that in there somewhere.

That's a different thing, but that's pretty dope too. That's a bar where you put your feet into it and you put plates on the end of it and it works those muscles on the Tibia. And you know, you just flex the foot up and down. So it's like there's all these different ways you can strengthen these muscle groups that you don't feel like there's no direct way to strengthen them like individually that you think of and you think of doing squats, you know, you're you're strengthening them sort of But you know, they're just kind of coming along for the ride and getting stronger. Or this is Isle. That's it. That's the monkey feet thing. It's dope dude. It's really dope. I love it because what I'll do is I'll like hold on to like a chin up bar like this and then I'll just do these fucking leg lifts with my and you can do leg curls with it. You can do leg lifts. But I feel like for a guy like you who already has a fucking nasty flying knee. That would make your knee even scarier. That knee landed on Frankie. It was crazy. I was by myself watching TV and I screamed out loud. You know, it was one of those, oh, yeah. And that's a common thing in my house. People are like, are you okay? I'm like watching the fights.

like you must be feeling right now that you're on like a whole new level.

And you tribute this to the work with the mental coach as well as just you realizing that you were flat in the outer main find.

Yeah, you said something after the fight when you were talking to, you were talking to Laura Sanco, so you're talking to? No, it was Andrew. Whoever it was. Yep. That person. You were, you said, some people go in there and they're looking to compete. They like to compete. And that's what they're doing. You go there. You're trying to hurt people.

How important is a loss sometimes?

It's also a lesson, right? It's like failure is so good for you. Because when you fail, it sucks and it feels terrible. If you needed motivation, well, there it is. That's the best form of motivation. People would love to get motivation in a totally positive way. It's elective. I have decided to be motivated. I'm going to be positive. That's wonderful. But my goodness, the injection that you get from a loss are from just straight up failure. Well, you're like, oh my god, I'm a loser.

Yeah. The feeling it's so bad. You're literally the same person you were before that moment. But now you fucking hate yourself. You hate everything. You feel terrible. You can't sleep. You get up to take a piss and you can't stop thinking about it. You're like, fuck! This feels you nailed it, but that feeling is worth a fucking billion dollars. It's so valuable.

Do you think you could talk yourself into that feeling? Is it like the feeling you got after the Alex main fight? Can you think you can like bring yourself back to that state?

You'll get it next time. Yeah. Yeah, non-competitors that want to talk to you about your loss and hate it. Look on the bright side.

You've got your health. Yeah. In that moment, there's no bright side. And that's something that every athlete I think has to come to grips with during losses. There's no upside. This is your, look, sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail, and you don't get the good without the bad. The reason why the good is so fucking amazing is because you felt the bad. If you're just this guy just stormed your way to the top with no adversity whatsoever, you probably wouldn't enjoy it as much.

I think that feels good. What was the thought process to let you come to grips with it? Did you have like an aha moment?

My coffee's almost like you can have my coffee. No, look here. You want more? We have a black rifle gives us bags of this.

What is it about going into the woods into the mountains? What is it about that that helps you?

Yeah, that giving yourself a moment in the woods is there's there's a lot that's going on there and one of the things that's going on is that the woods didn't even know you were alive but before you walked into this mountain before you walked up this hill You'd never walk there before these trees these animals have no idea you're a thing they don't give a fuck about you They're just trying to they're surviving the trees are trying to get moisture and light in the animals are trying to get food and they're trying to stay alive and not be eaten and as you're walking there and you look over like especially if you get to a mountain and you can look into a valley and see more mountains in the distance you realize like you could die here and things would just keep going on and it's you're totally insignificant. But in your insulated little world, you look at yourself as being the center of the universe, you know, because you're the center of your own mind and your own ego. And there's nothing other than like, I've always said that that's one of the reason why people live in mountain towns and people that live by the ocean are so chill. Because there's something about that just lets you know, hey mother fucker, look out there. Look at all that water. You ain't shit bitch. Yeah, just relax.

Yeah. It's also stunningly beautiful. Like Colorado, um, when I live there briefly and when I would drive up into the mountains above Boulder, I remember thinking like, Man, if this was a painting, it would be worth so much money. Because it would be so, the way art makes you feel is like a love art. A love seeing something cool. It gives you a nice feeling. But it pales in comparison to nature's greatest art. When you, like when the sun is peaking through the clouds and the perfect way and you see the green of the trees and the white snow caps and just fuck it's beautiful.

Yeah. It's, you know, someone's trying to, you know, and the trying to take whatever that feeling is, and you see something incredibly beautiful, and then put it into something and give people that, that, that awe-inspiring feeling when you're looking at it, but to me, nothing does it like nature itself.

Yeah, Colorado's experiencing a mass migration there the same way Texas is. Yeah. It's like a lot of the places that suck like California right now. People are just like, why am I here? When I can be there.

Yeah, we're going to die here yesterday Hamilton Morris was explaining how grim it is.

Well, when everything was going great, it's exciting, you know? Yeah, that's true. Like, I have friends that are comics that love living in New York because you live in a department, you hop in an Uber, you drive to this club, you go to that club, you're hanging around, there's all this stuff to do, there's all these restaurants to go to this bar and that bar and everything's hopping and rap, rap, fuck you, it's all this energy. Yeah, there's something happening constantly. I always like visiting. Yeah, I don't like living like that. Yeah. I like birds chirping and shit. I'm not interested in all that Hong Kong fuck you. Yeah.

It's similar. It's small. It's smaller than Denver. for sure, but it's a good size. I love it here. It's a good size. It's not too big, it's not too small, although a lot of people are moving here.

Well, ultimately, I want to get a ranch out here. I think that's the move is to be really out of the city.

Would you have some animals? Tim Kennedy has a fucking helicopter. He flies all over the place in the helicopter, really? Yeah, that crazy asshole. If you wanted to go visit me, he goes, uh, can I land a helicopter in your house? I go, no! Now you can't bring a fucking helicopter captured in my house. First of all, I don't think there's a spot for it. And second of all, the neighbors are probably already weirded out by me. Fucking helicopter's landing next door.

He takes it to the range. There's a gun range. out here and like he told me he does that but they told me when I went there they're like here helicopter that's Tim Kennedy I'm like really comes here all the time with his fucking helicopter so he'll take the helicopter land there and they'll take like a Uber to the on it gym or wherever he's trained in the rocket gym yeah he's a maniac

You don't have to go on a road. You know you go up and then you go that way.

There's Tim. Look at him. He's just fucking flying around. So well, he's got he knows how to do it. I mean, he's got a license. But because of the fact that he has this helicopter, he can just take it anywhere he wants to go.

Well that was what it was invented for you know. It was invented to be a flying car. Yeah. The idea of a helicopter, they thought when they first created it, it was going to be like a flying car and everyone would have a helicopter instead of a car. She'd get you a lot of musk on that, man.

You're probably going to have to go faster. Just space ships. Yeah, just a bunch of blades, not one big one. Four small ones where you park a smaller area. Yeah. We had some really super genius dude who's really in a helicopter. Yeah, that would be pretty badass.

Yeah. What is this?

But, bro, yeah, that way it's all contained. That's not real? No, no, no. Why is it in real? I mean, come on, GM doesn't actually work yet. Don't fuck with me.

Or if they have one, you get a parachute. That's something to do with it. It's pulled cord and a parachute pops out. How hard is that? Bro, that looks fucking amazing. I need that now. Yeah, that looks awesome. We need to get Elon on this. Like, come on, tell me we can have a Tesla one of those. That actually could work, right? Hmm. I mean, why not? Fuck yeah.

What do you think we'll land on the roof here?

Why not? Why not? Talk to Tim. There probably have restrictions, like the certain areas where you're not allowed to land. But Bill Burfly saw a copters. Yeah, yeah. And he took me up in a flight. We went all around downtown LA and you, you, it's really weird. Like you just kind of can go where you want. You know, once you're up in the air, you're just like, we're gonna go here that we're gonna go there because it's not high enough to where it interferes with plane flight. Just hovering over buildings. But as we were flying over downtown LA, you realize like a lot of these buildings, these big ass buildings have like X's on the roof where people land helicopter.

What do you gonna do? How do you get one that's a car that turns into a plane? It's available, but you can't buy one. Oh, those are its wings.

Oh, that looks whack.

Yeah, I'm not sure sure.

I'd rather than have the helicopter. I want that other thing, man. That four helicopter.

Yeah, this is nonsense. This is silly. Just pick a fucking thing. You've got to car a plane. The future, personal transportation, listen, bro. Stop pouring all your money into this nonsense. No one's buying that fucking thing. Bye, Bitcoin. Get that. Douche coin.

Yeah. It's worth a lot of money. The guy who created it apparently is blown away. Like he created it as a lark.

And now it's actually valuable. It's worth like a dollar coin. No, right?

Oh. I thought Elon got it up to a dollar coin.

So now it's 10 cents a coin.

They're saying the big coin is one day going to reach a million dollars a coin.

You're gonna start buying more Bitcoin? I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Clearly. Clearly he's buying a Bitcoin. Scooping it up.

We had this gentleman on the podcast today's name is Taylor Russell, and he made this movie called Silk Road. It's about Ross Allberg. Who's the guy who created that Silk Road website? Do you know what that is? Silk Road is a website that I guess it's apparently still up, but Ross is in jail for literally two life sentences, plus 40 years without the possibility of parole, because you created this online marketplace where you could buy any drug you wanted. You can buy LSD mushrooms and then it's all anonymous and encrypted and they could send it to your house and have it The way they were paying for everything was Bitcoin and the dude had made so much money He'd made millions of dollars in Bitcoin at the time when he was arrested but years and years ago. Was it like 2014 or something? So if that today the amount of Bitcoin it would be worth what was it 15 billion dollars?

So he'd be worth a fuckload of much.

He wasn't doing it though. He was providing a portal where people can deal the drugs.

Yeah, it's a questionable little situation. Yeah. But you know, like if it's if it's grown adults buying and selling what like Colorado has legal mushrooms now, right? They're decriminalized.

Yes, because I think there's, you know, the UFC is doing studies on fighters with psilocybin because psilocybin has a property called neurogenesis and this is Hamilton Morris, who is a podcast guest yesterday. He's the best guy to listen to talk about that because he's a genius. And he went into depth about what it can do. And one of the properties of psilocybin and psilocybin mushrooms in particular is it literally helps regrow brain tissue. It helps regrow neurons. And it's one of the only things that they've found that can do that. So they're starting to do studies with psilocybin and John Hopkins University and fighters.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the protocol is and maybe they're taking fighters that have been retired and, you know, or like, hey, you know, experiencing some difficulties and then they're getting them on larger doses and, you know, therapeutic doses and helping heal them. Yeah, if it heals and then great, dude, if they could figure out a way to make it so that all of the damage that someone takes from fighting is reversible, that would be phenomenal.

Do you have an idea in your head when you want to get out of the game?

I think it's also the how much money they get.

I mean, what do you think Alster was getting? Do you know what he was getting to show?

Yeah, somewhere probably in that range.

That's all. Is that what he's getting? A little more. A little more. How much more? Oh, okay. 750 to show. Yeah, you can't get that anywhere else. So every time you fight, you get $750,000 and he fights a lot. And if you win, you get one and a half million. Now think about it. Dustin made 1.2 to fight Connor. And he's like, hey, I want some more fucking money. Yeah. So they're putting together the rematch. I mean, have you had any of this? Dustin's hot sauce?

Well here, bro, I got you covered son. Have yourself a bottle of dust and poise.

Thank you. I love that dude.

No, it's it's you do you like spicy?

It's spicy enough. It's good. Okay. It's very good. Nice. But it's delicious. It's heatness dot com heat on this dot com and Couldn't go money that that money couldn't be spent on a nicer guy

I didn't know what was gonna happen. When I looked at that fight, I was like, I think Dustin is on, first of all, he's on a hell of a role. You look at what he is accomplished, but he had a war with Dan Hooker right before that, like a crazy five round, back and forth. It could have been anybody's fight at any moment, kind of a fight. for five fucking rounds, you know, and before that it lost it could be, but put Kabib in a real danger, had Kabib in a nasty guillotine, fought a long hard fight with Kabibs, like, hmm, that guy's been active, you know, he's, and you look at his, the who's who of the guys he's beaten knocked out just in KG, you know, you look at the guys he's, you know,

Fucking incredible. And over the last, you know, few years, for sure, he's grown into his frame and he's a big 155 now. Whereas when he fought Connor, he was killing himself to make 145. I remember, yeah, 190. Yeah, that crazy and the guys got awesome hands, you know, and I didn't think it was gonna go that way though That low calf kick has changed a little fucking game. Yeah, change the game

It's that too, but some guys have figured out a way to check it. And a good example of that is Pedro Munoz. You know, Pedro Munoz is in his last fight against, uh, Rivera. Frankie Rivera. Yeah, Jimmy Rivera, sorry, Jimmy Rivera, Jimmy Rivera and him, Jimmy Rivera is a guy who's known to throw a lot of calf kicks. He fucked up your eye failure with the calf kick. That was a big weapon that he was using a lot in that fight. And if you look at that fight and I watch it pretty closely because I watch it twice, Pedro Munoz fucked up Jimmy's leg with a calf kick but checked a lot of the calf kicks and Jimmy was throwing and if you see like when he checked it he didn't just lift his leg up he turned it all the way out so his foot was completely sideways out so as Jimmy's throwing the calf kick his foot is completely out and taking it right on the shin so he's not taking it on the meat of the calf at all whereas Jimmy took a lot of those from Pedro on the calf itself is he uh is he putting him I didn't get a watch fight I haven't watched the third round I forget what I was doing for one or two yeah that's right you think that it put him too far out of position though checking like that it didn't it didn't with him no no I mean he knew it was common and I'm I'm sure he prepared for you see the thing is an American top team first of all you got this giant stable of top tier talent but also you've got guys refighting in championship fights you've got a lot of like really good coaches And they're right at the cutting edge of the techniques that are used the most in the UFC. And everybody's trying to figure out a solution that I got a text message from Kirin Fitzgivins, you know, the coach at CSI, he goes, look, I can tell him people out of check this thing. The idea you can't check it is fucking nonsense. He's getting pissed. It's that. That's how you check it. You've got to turn the foot out. Like you just can't take it like this. Like if your foot is facing forward, you take it. You only have a few of those and you're damaged. You know?

How about Kabib? Kabib took a shitload of them against Justin and just kept charging out of them.

Well, also with Connor. He's south bought a south paw, right? So he's got that heavy front leg. He puts a lot of weight on the front leg. Connor does a lot of this way. Leans in on that front leg. That's much harder to get the leg up. Much harder to move it, much harder to check. And with Dustin being a south paw as well, it just opens it up to that kick. It's right there.

You know, if your guy moves a lot, you're very fleet of foot, you know, when do you practice a lot of caff kicks in training?

Can you use that calf guard? You ever see that thing? Uh-huh. It's a new thing that guys have come up with just to protect yourself from various calf kicks. Very, it's go to the calf guard. I know they have an Instagram page. Like a shin guard except for your head.

It's a thick, heavy pad. It's like a tie pad. That's attached the outside of your calf. So you can blast someone so you can do drills and blast someone with a calf kick and not fucking cripple them.

Would you say that fight with Connor and cowboy? Did you start practicing shoulders? Did you think about that?

Dirty bird.

Benson Henderson was the first guy ever saw a throne.

I wonder what's out there that we haven't found yet.

You want to know how I know? Here's, so here's the calf card. Look at that. Oh, that's cool. Pretty dope, right? So you can fucking dig it. A lot of dudes gonna get torn ACLs from this thing. Seriously, you know? Because if you let guys like a Franciscan Gano type character to off on your calf like that, pretty smart though. Smart to have that thing. When you can practice it and really dig in. But you know, that's a thing. There's so much room for innovation in this sport. Yeah. People are always finding some new ways to do things.

Yeah, because they're on almost every week. They're on almost every single weekend. That's a beautiful thing about the UFC's ESPN deal.

Well, this weekend is bonkers. This weekend is a bonkers card. So good. It fights on the undercard that people forgot about.

That's going to be so good. So let's look at this. Who's song you don't find?

I think he was scheduled for five years and sour something first. That's a good fight man. Oscar Oscar off. That guy's good.

That's a good fight.

No, this is one of those super cards in legitimately is because if you go to the main card like Jesus, Louisa's, I don't know what to think about that main event man, Blahovitch and Adassani is such a good fight.

Yeah, he said he might be 193. Yeah.

Such a virtue also. He's striking. His striking is at such a high level man. And he said he's not going to fuck with his body and put on a lot of extra weight. He said that shit slows you down and makes you tired easier and he says, I'm fine where I'm at. Yeah. I mean, we'll find out if he's right. If he's right man, it's going to change a lot of people's thinking about weight classes.

Well, you got to think if you really, that's more than that, right? You want to lift weights. You don't want to just eat more if he's coming from the polo coast to fight. It's not that long ago.

Right. If you're going to go up to light heavyweight from where you're at, you know, like, if you were a 185er and you wanted to go up to 205, like a legit 205, you really want to probably get to like 220.

It's the biggest gap. That's the board. Other than heavyweight. Yeah. I think there should be a weight class every 10 pounds. Every 5, you mean?

Isn't it weird though that the UFC has the names of the weight classes that exist in boxing, but a totally different weight?

Like, well-traweight in boxing is 147. Well, Twitter UFC is 170, that's a fucking giant difference.

I think that's the right way to do it, honestly. Like, call someone the one 70-pound champion. I mean, welterweight. Like, what does that even mean?

That's a welter. That's a welter. That is a really fascinating fight, because I'll tell you what, that will hope it's guy. You can't zig when you should a zag with that dude. He hits so fucking hard.

When you knocked out Dominic Reyes, I was like, oh my goodness.

Well, he was getting those left kicks to the body and he had Bohovech's foot print on his rib cage. Do you remember that? It was fucking brutal. He's a huge black and red bruise on his rib cage. Well, like fuck, this guy's getting crushed. I mean, he's just a heavy bone dense dude.

Israel is virtual. So he really is.

Well, it's going to try to do, you know, it's a question, right? It's like, what you know if the guys coming at you and he's much larger and there's much more danger in him hitting you like what what do you do differently than you would do it for a hundred and eighty five pound fighter like Paul coast like Paul coast as a He's a destroyer, but he's a guy who beats guys up and then takes him and puts him away. He doesn't KO anybody with one shot. This guy, KO's light heavy weights with one shot. I mean, he puts people in another dimension when he punches him. He hits fucking, when he hit rock hold, when he KOed rock hold and rock hold, his line is back like, what the fuck? Yeah, you can see. One punch, it's all it takes. Boom!

And by the way, there's no one in the apex center. Why can't you get a full size cage in there? It's not, I have no idea.

Yeah. There's no crowd. We can afford it. Yeah, it's a fun. Addisonia is the heavy favorite with an implied win probability of 71.43% but despite blowover 278 being the incumbent champ in the higher weight class, a $10 bet on Addisonia to win would return a profit of just $4. That's really surprising. Well, he's that good. I mean, he is that good. I get it, but I think it's a dangerous fight. because there's moments where you're there. There's moments when you're there, you know, and he's been hit. I mean, he's been hit by Calvin Gastelum. He's been hit by guys. He got hit with a big shot from Yoel Romero and Romero was standing straight out of him. You know, he absorbed it and, you know, he was fine. I think that beloved guy carries a lot of real fucking danger in his fist. Yeah, you know, no doubt.

Plus the balls of him to go up to 205 and not even game weight. The balls. And then talking about going to have you. And, you know, he's talking about fighting John Jones, but he said recently that he doesn't want to fight John without a crowd. He said that he wants to wait till the crowd, so maybe you're around December. That's fair.

Listen man, plenty of time, build that motherfucker up. Yeah. That fight. And then you gotta think by December, who knows what's happening in the heavyweight division, right? Because we have Steve A versus Francis and Ghana, which is a crazy rematch. When is that? That's real soon. It's March, right? Yes. April? 27. This is a couple of weeks. So do you have that? Derek Lewis who just not courtesy out with one shot. You know, that's a crazy entrance because he's beaten Francis and Conno in a decision. So you got to wonder like what happens right after Francis and Steve Bay. If Steve Bay wins, does Steve Bay retire? I mean, if Steve Bay wins, he beats Francis a second time. man on paper hard to say that guy's not the goat. Yeah. Lost the title regained it defended the title more than anyone ever.

Same thing with the first fight. And the first fight people felt the same way. You know, everybody was thinking about in Ghana because he puts people into orbit.

But he chaos people so badly. Yeah. When he chaos them, they're so fucked.

Like if you look at the fight with Alster when he caught him with that vicious shovel hook, I mean, my god. Yeah, that was pretty.

I was like, one of the worst chaos I've ever seen.

Yeah. Yeah. But the thing about steepa is he, he's so, but also they're going to be fighting that little cage too. Yeah. That's a Vegas fight, too. Yeah. Ooh, that's different. Yeah. Because steepa's got to get away from him. And then also in Ghana's got to get away from steepa taking him down. That's different, too.

Right.

Yeah. I bet. If Steepay does win, I wonder if he's going to retire, or for one if he waits around for John, because if he wins and then John comes up and fights him at heavyweight, holy shit, what a super fight that would be. If Steepay could beat John, Oh my goodness. Yeah. Oh my goodness. You know. Yeah. They're John Pete's deep-a.

Yeah. So many fights.

Well, again, that brings us to Saturday and I as well with Amanda Nunes because Amanda's she's holding two titles and defending them both simultaneously. She's crazy. And like, where's the real competition for her? Like, there's no one person that stands out as being like, wow, I can't wait for Amanda to fight this person. No, she fucking nuked cyborg and then everybody's like, Jesus. and then every fight since then has been you know like she's had some good fight she's had some tough fights but there's no one that stands out germane to random me was a real threat standing up you know germane is a vicious striker but you know megan it's not like people are calling for this megan fight it's just that megan is you know in terms of like who's available at 145 she's the best UFC contender

Tough position, too. That way class is Kayla Harrison, the judo champ.

Yeah. Cause she's a fucking tank. Yeah. That's a real 145. See when she flexes dude?

Yeah, I bet it is. I bet it is. She looks like true dober. She's chat. Look at that. Bro, come on. That's true dober.

Yeah, but go back to that picture again. Come on, son. Look at that arms on her. I'd be proud of those arms. If I had arms like that, I would never stop flexing. I just walk around like that everywhere. That's how I got my groceries. I do not know. Yeah. How tall is she? Young Jamie.

I hope so.

For I hope she just jump ship and joins the UFC because, you know, the UFC needs a legit 145 pound threat to Amanda Nunes. I mean, after she knocked out cyborg, there's been no real clamoring of someone for her to fight. She's got people to fight and both ban them weight and in light heavy or in featherweight where people are willing to fight her. but there's no one that really stands out.

Maybe this is a San Hague, because it's been killing it lately. I mean, who else? There's there's Pedro Munoz. Uh, there's, you know, he, he KO'd Cody Garbrand, right? Cody's back in it after KO in a Sunsau. Cody wants TJ. Everybody wants TJ because there's a lot of money in fighting TJ. So there's a lot of fights for them. You know, um, I think you, that's what I would say.

Particularly based on those last two fights. And if Algermine wins, holy shit would have fight that is.

You know, you guys fighting again, a rematch for the title.

It seems like they're going to do that, but that's, they've got to pay dust and can't, man can't live our hot sauce money alone.

And he's that cheddar. Yeah. I mean, listen, if Kabib's not going to fight for the title and you're not going to have an interim title, if Kabib's going to fight for the title again, I want Olivera because I feel like if anyone's going to fight for the actual title, I feel like as a purest Charles Olivera has looked sensational. You look at what he did to Tony Ferguson. You look at what he did to Kevin Lee. You're like, this guy is on fire right now. His technique is so sharp. He's so good. I want to see Olivera fight for the title, but if it's not for the title, if it's just a big ass money, five round fight. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. You do a rematch because you're not holding anything up, right? But you gotta have a title fight.

I think they want Dana does not want Kabib to retire. And he doesn't want to take the title away from him and then have him come back again for the title. He wants him to fight again for the title, but I just don't know if he's going to be able to convince Kabib. I think Kabib, he drives if I can tell you how to truck dude. That guy doesn't need shit.

He had the one of the best quotes ever about Connor and with the changes face Yeah, yeah, learn like for me as a as a fighter kind of coming up

Do you ever see that documentary on Tyson where he goes into depth about his thought process going from walking, from the dressing room, walking to the ring and then stepping into the ring, the transformation that his mind makes?

See if I find that, Jamie, find that, pull that up.

So talking on here about that?

So your mom and your girlfriend sat you down, they go, let's have a talk.

Is it because like when the shit goes down and you're in the middle of the firefight like that might maintain your maintaining that mindset rather than trying to gather it up while it's a fight for your life?

when Curtis and Derek Lewis fought and Derek Kayled him with that upper cut and then blasted him when he was out a couple of times and then he's like hey that's her deans fault like he's right he is right he's right I mean a lot of people were saying hey maybe he shouldn't have hit him when he was out like that and then he's like what if he rises up like the undertaker

You get volume on this.

Yeah, I want to hear it. The one for this. He looks like he said he had gone a real when he went there. He had gone a real way knocked out Michael's face. It's so crazy. Yeah, if you could find it, you could find it. If not, don't worry about it. But it's one of the when he walks through, he's like, and then I walk through the ropes, I'm a god.

Like, whoop.

Do we do from the beginning? Take it from the beginning. No.

When I got him fired up, last time I was talking to him, he started talking about conquerors. He started talking about King's Khan. And he realized how much he studied those people.

So when you say war books, like what kind of books? What are you reading?

And this is something that you're programming your mind to think like.

So before that, on the week of the fight, how would you, in your previous fights? How would you handle the week of the fight?

Wow, that's heavy. I love it. That's going to be some kids version of that Mike Tyson speech right now.

But it's also like, you know, you're talking about some real shit, like this, this, this, this little mind games that your, your head plays on you. You know, where your head's like, ah, it doesn't matter if you're going to lose. It's no big deal. Your head tries to diminish the moment. And some sort of, because confronting the reality of what you're about to do, it's so difficult to do that it gets, you can be crippled just by the anxiety of it.

Yeah. So when you say that the good ideas, they can be a problem too. The good thoughts.

Well, you're admitting it. Yeah. There's something too. It's like you're recognizing and acknowledging that all this hard work and even these mindsets that you put yourself in, where you do grapple with reality, like it's working. Yeah. Yeah, it's clearly working. And two big fights in a row.

That's the problem. When everything's going great, then things are kind of comfortable. When things are comfortable, you're not growing.

I think it's probably an almost anything that's difficult. Yep. Comfort is probably a bad idea.

So you are sitting here waiting on the results of this Saturday, and you're likely in the running. There's just a couple of other people that are in the running. There's Pedro Muñoz, there's, again, we talked about, but there's no way TJ's gonna come back and get a direct shot of the title, especially after getting popped for EPO. So he's gonna have to be at least one person, probably a couple people. Where do you see the division right now when you when you look at that like you are likely one of the next guys in line for the title Would you be willing to fight one more time for the title? You're gonna hold out for a title shot like what's your thought?

What's your ranking right now?

So it's got to be you next. I mean as a purist. That's how I look at it as a purist. And then where's Pedro? Pedro Muñoz.

And after the Rivera fight where's he? Okay, so Rob font. That's right. Rob fonts bad.

Rob fonts good. God damn what a stack division. What a stacked division. And Joseph is still number five. Interesting. Yeah. What a fucking division man.

Yeah. So this TJ, this Cody, this Rob Font, Rob Font looks like God damn a sassin now, too. He's very good. So many good fighters, man. It's what a crazy division. Like, there's people are so good. There's so many good guys. You can kind of forget about Rob Font to you see the rankings and like, chat, Jesus.

Yeah, Marlin, imagine going back to the first round that's a Hudo fight. Marlin looked like a fucking world beater. I looked like he was going to be the man. It looks like the man, you know, it's chiseled. Guys built a Greek god.

Why do you think you have so much confidence?

Do you have a favorite fighter from the past that you like watching?

Yeah, I was dope. I wish Kickboxing was more popular today. I really did.

It was huge K1 days. Yeah, in Japan.

Yeah, to me, it's a bummer that glory never really caught on. I mean, I still watch the events, but, you know, you gotta buy it through some fucking janky app. It's weird, like, last time it barely worked, I had to do it online, and it was annoying. Yeah. It's like, I wanted to be on pay-per-view, like regular TV, like, you know, like, the UFC is, like, like, I don't understand.

This was on fight, F-I-T-E. Yeah, I know that one. There should be more of a demand for high-level, moly-ty, and high-level kickboxing, like I don't get it. It's so exciting.

They got a Nikki Holtzkin is gonna fight John Wayne par. Oh, sick. After John Wayne par got a fake hip. Seriously? Yeah, you get his hip replaced. Like his get his hip resurfaced. They completely resurfaces hip and now he's throwing kicks again and everything then like you can get your hip replaced now and fight them I know the cap of his hip was so worn out he sent me like the medical list of all the shit that was wrong with his hip And you're like, oh my god, it was like torn labor, torn this, torn that, arthritis, cartilage damage, like everything's all fucked up in there.

Just from year, you know, John is heavy with the left leg. There was a lot of left leg kicks. He just wore a shit out. It was just completely torn apart.

Yeah, exactly. Lead cards announced for all one on TNT events. So it's on TNT.

It says really boxing is that Kickboxing Kickboxing maybe it's all of it. I guess I typed in kickboxing and I got it No, yeah, well, they are two in some kickboxing with small gloves, and that's the the fight with Nicky Holtskin.

So, what is this? Flyweight World Champs at Marais versus Johnson. How do they both have belts? I don't watch one enough to know what's going on. I know mighty mouse. Mine amounts to still the fucking man. And all the people that I never want to fight, he's one of the best examples of martial arts excellence that I've ever seen.

Technically, yeah. And you know, even just achievements wise, like what he was able to do when he was at the top of his game.

Yeah, who the fuck did he slam and go for the arm behind him? Yeah, who is it? I don't know. God damn it. It's across it. I see him. I see his face. He picked him up slammed him and threw him right into an arm bar. I'm like, Jesus Christ. And that point he was just showing off. And he told me he does that all the time in training. Ray borne. That's right. Thank you. Yeah. Like my God.

And this is the so who to fight. It's like, yes, a hoodo beat him. But He didn't beat him enough for, like, he can't, like, why are you leaving?

Yeah. I mean, I guess he got a really great offer at one FC and the UFC said, good. Yeah. You know, I think the UFC's in this weird position with the flyway, with a not 100% on board. And Davis and Figuero is a great champion right now, so they're excited about that. And he was supposed to fight Cody. Cody says he can make 125. So there's not a problem.

uh... he he he looks like he doesn't you know to put himself too much not to get us yeah you said it's not going to be much of a problem that's that's exciting yeah he can get down there if i figure it all that's a big fight but they're doing the brand and marina rematch with uh... davison figurator so code is gonna stay at thirty five now So, that's something that the flyweight division needs though, right? They needed, like when TJ went down, I don't think TJ really could make that. I mean, he made the way, but he really almost killed himself.

He looked like a guy just get out of a fucking concentration camp. He looked terrible. He looked like a guy who was starving in the woods and they found them like they rescued them. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

It was nothing left of them. It's just a terrible thing to do to your body. And then 24 hours later, you rehydrate and have a cage fight. And for him, it was such a depletion that it wasn't even just dehydrating. Like he said he went into anemia. He was anemic. And that's one of the reasons why he took EPO. Maybe that's an excuse. But, you know, I mean, he said he couldn't get out of bed. And meanwhile, he's supposed to be training for the biggest fight of his life.

Exactly. Exactly. Especially against a beast like Sahudo. Yeah.

We're a loss turned him into who he is like that lost a mighty mouse might a mouse stopped him You know that he realized like okay I just got to top of the mountain. This dude really is the fucking man like I have another level to achieve I now have to get better you need him sometimes man.

It is really interesting that the mind, like, there's no clear, you can't just go, well, this is the work that you have to do, this is the mindset that you have to put it, no, it's like a constant wrestling match with your consciousness, constant wrestling match with seeking comfort and avoiding injury and the, God, I don't want to be tired. I don't want to push myself, it's this constant battle of you trying to get control of your emotions and your mind and your body.

And so how hard is that cut?

And are you depleting are you doing that water load thing where you drink a lot of water

And so, trifecta, do they give you the meals based on your weight class, the calorie output, where you're at, you're training, like, how do you know it?

That is very nice at the UFC provides. So like, what is your process? Like, so you're way in, you're good.

and they provide this to all the athletes.

By setting that place up is pretty extraordinary. Like to have a place where fighters can choose to go down there and do their camps. You have like world class coaches and people that understand strength and conditioning and recovery and All these different ways to keep your body fit and healthy for a fight. And then also to analyze where your weight cuts at, where your body fat's at, what's your VO2 max? Like, all the having one stop shop, the big giants, they they are facility like they developed is really fucking incredible.

Now, did you ever rehydrate with IVs before they had an IV band?

Do you think the rehydrating orally is just as good or better?

I'm okay with it. Yeah, do you think that we're going to get to a point where people stop doing that or they can figure out a way to stop fighters from cutting weight?

Didn't it just happen with Bobby Green? Didn't he just pull out of a fight? Because of a wake-up? I think he blacked out of the wake-up.

Yeah, well, they fought once before. They fought in like 2016 or something?

It seems like something to me, it seems like almost it's one thing that they've been doing this way for so long that they did just keep doing it.

It's like if they came along today and there was a blank slate and they said, all right, do you think it's a good idea of the fighters? Just dehydrate the fuck out of themselves 24 hours before they fight you like That's dumb. Why would I do that? Why would they do that? It's terrible. They're about to fight. They're working to get their body in the optimum condition. It's one of the worst things you do to yourself is dehydrate yourself. Your body's like what? 60 something percent water. Why the fuck would you do that? Yeah. That's a dumb idea. Oh, it's just spitballing.

It's just the way that we do things. Yeah. People do go, what are you saying? Shut up.

That's not a bad idea, but it's almost like she's not let them fight. Or not let them fight at all.

I think, you know, it's one thing that's an undercard fight, but like for a championship fight, I almost think you should send them home. Yeah. Which is crazy to say. I know it's stupid. Like, but look at like Luke Rock Hold and Yoel Romero. Yoel Romero and Luke Rock Hold are fighting for the title, right? Luke Rock Hold makes way. Yoel doesn't. Yoel knocks out Luke Rock Hold doesn't win the title.

super pissed this is happened before it's not it's not the only time that's happened that happened with Davison figurato and Benavitas the first time they fought yeah figurato doesn't make the way chaos Benavitas doesn't win the title yeah

I'd be really hard to get rid of. I think there's a way. I mean, they do hydration tasks with high school wrestling and college wrestling. You can be done. It's just, it would have to be, first of all, you'd have to give people way more options in terms of weight classes, and I think that's something we were speaking about earlier. I really think you have to have at least every 10 pounds, and you might be right every 5 pounds. But there's this idea that that would somehow not have the water down the sport, like, Is that true? I don't think that's true. You know, look at, like, can I allow for it? It's like how we keep going up and waiting, beating these guys and winning titles all the way up to light heavyweight, knocks out covalve at light heavyweight and comes back down, fights at 68. You know, if I, I believe you was like 52 when you fought Mayweather, it fights all sorts of different weight classes.

But we're going to find out this weekend. It's because it's about a sign that it really does weigh at 193. And let me tell you something, man, if he could stop, behold, it's at light, heavyweight and become champ champ, but he doesn't even gain weight. Jesus, Louise, us. Yeah. And if anybody could do it. He might be the fucking man.

He's so good. That Apollo coastify what an eye opener that was. Yeah. He said what he was going to do and then he did it, you know. He's like, I'm going to make this guy look stupid.

That was true. Yeah. It's true. She drank a whole bottle of wine. He even took a picture with the wine, like he had a built-in excuse. Who could meet with one? Yeah, it's so ridiculous. that's ridiculous he said he had a leg cramps he couldn't sleep and he had a glass wine and that didn't do it so we drank another glass that didn't do it they drank the whole bottle so he said when he fought it was probably drunk look he's coming with so many excuses for that fight it's crazy It's crazy because, you know, you have one idea of who Paul Coast is, his whole career just smashing people, walks down yellow or narrow. Who the fuck walks down yellow or narrow and beats his ass like that? Nobody. The way he did it and beat all these guys coming up from Johnny Hendrix was fat and, you know, he's really a 170 and he's had no business being at 185 in the first place, but the fact that Paul Coast had just smashed him that way and just was smashing everybody. And you thought like, man, this guy's a real threat. This is, this is a big challenge for Otisanya. Nope. No. No, he just shut him down, shut him down. Like, he just completely outclassed.

I thought it was going to be a good fight. Yeah, I thought it was going to be a good fight. I thought coast is really durable. He's really tough. He's going to, you know, it's going to be a blood and guts battle. But then, you know, when I saw him enter into the octane with those cupping marks all over his calves, I was like, that's not what's happening there.

I don't know, man. People swear by a lot of wacky shit. People swear by chiropractors. They swear by a lot of wacky shit.

Is that the rock? Look at that. Oh my goodness. First time doing it. First time. Yeah, that guy's got to be sore all the time. Boy, they fucked his back up. Do you ever get things?

make sense and there are a lot of times injuries where people are like a lot of times you have a back pain and you really don't realize it's because your hamstrings are tight and that it's pulling your your your your things all kind of crunched up and if you can stretch your hamstrings out it actually alleviates some tension your back you know like oh wow that's weird

make sense. This is probably something to it, at least. When you have a big fight, so say if this fight happens this weekend, young winds are sterling winds and they say, okay, you're next. How much you need to, you like 10 weeks, right? Do you have someone who schedules everything? Do you do some of it based on your own intuition? Like in terms of like how much strength and conditioning work, how much sparring, when do you hit mitts, when do you spar, when do you roll? How do you do that?

When you say, look, if you're tired, do you monitor your heart rate? Do you wear a hoop strap?

Yeah, it's interesting Dustin said he stopped wearing a hoop strap for the same reason. He said because he'd wake up and say, Oh, you need more sleep was like, Well, this shit got to get done. So I don't know what the fuck you tell me is like, You know, you're not fully recovered. Well, I don't give a fuck. I got to go to work.

So what?

Yeah. Sometimes I feel great. Now check it. It's in the yellow. What? Come on.

It depends on how much coffee a drink.

It's interesting. You know, there's so many variables with the human body, you know, whether or not you're getting massages, whether or not you're doing ice baths, whether or not you're doing sauna. There's so many different things that can help you recover and help your body bounce back. It's a lot of So a lot you can do. Yeah. There's a lot you can do to keep your body healthy. Yeah. Now when you say that you kind of set your own schedule, do you set your own schedule in terms of strength and conditioning as well? Like give me a typical week like when you you're starting your camp. How many days a week? We do strengthen conditioning. How many days a week? We do kickboxing. Do do MMA. Sparring a lot. Or do you do do separate Jitsu sparring from kickboxing sparring?

When you say at night, so you're doing the team practice at 1 p.m., and then what time you come back in like so?

So in terms of weightlifting, do you try to take the strength and conditioning sessions and not have them on a day we spar?

And do you take two days off on the weekend? Do you take Saturday and Sunday?

So, as you do two a day every day or a second?

Just from being tired from the trail run.

So what about other recovery modalities? Are you using ice baths? Are you doing the sauna?

Yeah, but for yourself, like you should get a dry sauna for your house if you can. Okay. Yeah, I'm big believer in the dry sauna. And there's so many benefits to it just outside of even getting your body accustomed to the heat for a sauna for cutting weight. Just reduces inflammation, such a high degree. Produces heat shock proteins. And it also, there was a study that didn't know where people who did the sauna four days a week. For I believe it was 20 minutes at 170 degrees I think is what the protocol they used. and they experienced a 40% decrease in all cause mortality. That means 40% decrease in heart attack, stroke, cancer, everything, just with regular son of use.

No, okay. The heat shock proteins, what it's doing is it creates this radical anti-inflammatory response for the body, because your body's freaking out. The body doesn't want to be in 170 degrees. It's like, what is this shit? And so because of that, and you're sweating it out and struggling, your body produces these cytokines, and it has an amazing effect just on health and wellness. I fucking love it, man. I do it every day. I have one of my house, and it was one of the first things I did when I moved to Austin and get one, and it took a couple of months to get it, and get it brought in, and installed it, everything like that, and I was sweating it, because I was like, God, I missed the sauna, because I had one of my house in California, It's a game-changer man. It's a game. Dan Gables, a huge believer in it as well. And I read him talking about the sauna and he thinks that it's a secret weapon that the Russians and a lot of other athletes in other countries using a regular basis. And he wishes that American wrestlers adapt to that.

I do 185 for 25 minutes, but I built up to it. And I've been doing it for years. And I never get sick. I mean, I fucking never get sick. Wow. Yeah. Huh. I think it's phenomenal for immune system.

Um, I do it every day. I mean, I'll take a day off every now and again, but if I do it, I definitely do it at least five days a week. Yeah. Every week. If I'm home, I'm doing it five days a week.

And I listen to books on tape. It's my favorite way to do it. I just, so I'm in there for 25 minutes. Air pods will survive. Your phone won't. You don't try to bring your phone in there. My phone always dies, but the air pods don't die. They're pretty fucking tough. It's probably a long 25 minutes, huh? The last five can suck a dick, bro.

Oh, right away. Yeah. When I get in there, the first thing I do is I scoop water and throw it on the rocks. And so it's not just 185 degrees, 185 degrees with high humidity. So it's pretty rough. Yeah. So right away, I'm glistening. And then within, you know, the first 10 minutes and not that bad, you know, and then the next 10 minutes are getting rough in the last five minutes can really fucking suck.

But it's good. It's like, I need some suck. You know, I don't get enough suck. Everybody does. That struggle of sitting there and I do a lot of deep breathing exercises too. I do like box breathing. I do like five seconds in, hold five seconds, five seconds out, or sometimes I'll do longer, deep breaths and longer slow breaths out. And but that's good too because you can get into kind of a trance when you do that. And sometimes when I do that, I don't even realize how much time is passed because I'm just focusing on the breathing, just focusing on the breathing.

But you see that fucking marine dude? There's things of marine who won the world's plank competition. It was some preposterous amount of time this motherfucker was planking for like four days or something. Oh man, it's five days. Eight plus hour plank. Uh, there it is. At 62 Marine veteran sets against World Record 62 years old man. That's that's a fucking old dude be planking like that. That guy's a savage. That's all in your mind right there. Yeah. That's that's your fucking mind. I mean, that is just your mind. I mean, obviously it's fit. He's obviously in very good shape for his age, but to be able to do that for eight fucking hours, especially when people are staring at you, that is boring as fuck.

Oh, Jesus. Guys, an animal. Yeah, I love it. I love seeing old animals like that. Like, yes. Can't go and treat pocket. I'll be camhands. He'll be doing that when he's 80. I think that, um, Having something like that as a regular basis just gets your body accustomed to to just doing something that you don't want to do that sucks because there's too many people that go through their life Doing easy stuff all the time all the time. You're just soft.

Yeah, that moment where you just want a fucking quit where you're brain and then you got to shut the fuck up pussy shut up. You got to like have these little battles in your mind. There's so many people that go through life. They just don't have that at all so that the moment adversity rears its ugly head. You don't you don't understand what to do with it. You don't know what it is.

Yeah, well for you is the ultimate because you're literally you're doing something first of all where you're putting your health in jeopardy you're doing one of the most dangerous sports that a person can compete in and you're you're putting everything on the line you're putting your health on the line you're putting your ego on the line You're putting your future online. You're thinking about so many different things. You know, if you get cold or something like that, you're paying for it with your mind. You're paying for with your brain cells. You're paying for it. You get kicked in the liver. You're paying for it with your internal organs. You're getting damaged. You know, it's a crazy way to live your life. But the reward, like when you knocked out Frankie, like when you were running around, going like that, like you could see it in you. Like you just fucking juice up. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Well, listen man, I'm a fan. I appreciate you. Appreciate you coming in here. It was really cool to talk to you and I'm super excited to see what happens for you.

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