Transcript for JRE MMA Show #128 with Kamaru Usman

But I think for them, it's It's all over. I don't know because I'm not them. But I think some people fighters feel like, oh, it's there. Oh, we're going to catch them. Yeah. It's 5.30 in the morning. We're going to catch them before they do anything, which is.

Maybe he would.

To I think nowadays, I mean, it's tough. It's tough because I never really, I never focused on that. I never worried about it. But I did know that, you know, yeah, some fighters you could just, you could see back in the day like, Hey, this is not normal last year I saw you didn't look like that right and yeah, so I think yeah back in the back in the day pre-useata. Oh, yeah, you could say I would say good maybe 25 to 30 percent

Yeah, I do remember that.

It's funny to me because I get it all the time. Now, of course, people accuse me all the time and I haven't really told the story, but so I one day I saw people keep tagging me in this video and it was just some fucking guy, some dumbass, that's all YouTube that That's where he can spot people that do, you know, PD's.

Maybe, I don't know, I don't know. So he's like, yeah, I know that guy's doing it because I can see the marks on him and stuff like that. And so he starts to point, they start pointing out because I have like five scars on my stomach. Like, you know, like burn like discoloration on my stomach. and he starts talking about it and making up this whole theory and it kind of it kind of hurt my feelings a little bit because I was okay so that's his story I was a little self conscious about it because So this is what happened. I was in college. This was my, I want to say junior year, sophomore junior year, going into my junior season. And actually, I think it was after my junior season. So I started getting these, I got it like a mole, like my stomach. And I got one like my hand. And I'm one of those. I'm kind of like a clean freak. Like I shower, you know, after practice right away. So I started scratching it and then it started bleeding. So I'm like, fuck, that's not a regular. I thought it was like a pimple. That's not a regular like a Z or something like that. So, and then over time it was like maybe it was like five little was like tiny. You could barely see them. So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to ask the doc. We have a team doctor. I'm going to ask them about it. So I went in for a physical and then I went before the season. I asked him, hey, you know, I have this right here. I don't know what they are. So he looks at it and he goes, oh, these are non-cancer's moles. They're just a little bit of moles. You know, it's very, very common. I'm like shit enough for me. I don't know. It's common for me. He's like, yeah, they're very common. I'm like, yeah, how can I get rid of him? I try to scratch him and they bleed and he's like, yeah, you don't want to do that. What we could do is we can burn them off and I'm like okay, fuck it. Let's do it cuz a Spring break was gonna come up like I'd start it I started, I'm lifting up. I got a body now. You know, I'm a junior and I've looked jacked. So I'm like spring break is coming. I want to look jack. I want to look good. You know, so I don't walk around with those. Fuck no. So he's like, I can burn them all. So he burns them off with that. I think nitrogen or something like that. So he burns them and then he goes, hey, those are going to fall off in a couple of days. You know, just give him time. So I'm like, okay, but I was so like, I was still training heavily during the summer because I was just like an addict of wrestling I wanted it for me I wanted to get catch up to everybody and I wanted to exceed everybody so this was my time the summer that that was my time for me to catch up so My dumb ass I go back the next day I go to school and back to the school and I go in and I go drill I go wrestle I couldn't stop I was just training all summer so I wrestled and anything anything of it like okay They just burned old, but nothing has happened yet and so I wrestled and then later that evening I'm sitting in my I go I get down I get in the shower and I'm showerin all the sudden just burning I'm gonna not look down and I had like scraped them off and Like so as soon as he burned him he said don't do anything they're gonna fall off on their own, but my dumb ass wrestled and it robbed up against it and now they all fell off. So then they scarred it because now I was like out for like seven days like putting Neil's porn on it just so they can heal. And then they scarred over. So I have those from just that moment. So then this fucking guy's like oh he's he's doing PD's look look he's got the marks on his stomach and it hurt my feels. I'm like I'm like one of those guys who I'm like I don't even think about PDs because my work, even if I don't care, I probably have dealt with someone that was cheating or competed against someone that was cheating. But my work will far exceed all of that. And so when I see idiots online or say, oh, yeah, I know for a fact is don't PD, I'm like, have you ever been a fucking Africa? Have you been Africa? There's a lot of Francis and God was walking around. There's a lot of guys like me just walking around. And because of the work and because of the way that I find, then I go, no, he's definitely got to be doing something because they can't explain why you are the way you are, why your performance exceeds what their mind is mentally capable of.

Yeah, adrenaline. And I think this, yeah, this is right after the mosque would all fly. Oh man, just yeah.

It's tough, tough to call. That one was so, I think, sharpening the first, the first covenant in fight.

Yeah, and I was dealing, like, I deal with so much, we deal with so much things going into fights, before fights, and I don't think people care, people don't care about, but I don't think people understand. So to make it to that fight, just to get in there, to step in no fight day, Nowadays, I'm so grateful because you deal with so much from family, from relationships, to children, to injuries, to finances, all of that coaching to where by the time you actually step in there, it's like, like peaceful. This is like I'm grateful to be in here that I actually made it in here. So I think that Coventify was probably the first one was probably the sweetest. It was just too much.

Yeah, there's an art to that. I mean, some guys, some guys, it works for, but it's, for me, what I would love to do is ask, and that hopefully in the future, I can do that and just sit down with these guys and ask them, like, what, how did you feel after that? like what it like or you you you you come you gotta be human to you gotta feel something after you go that far and let's say you don't win you do lose how do you feel sitting at home can't be good that no you can't like I know how bad you feel losing I've lost now twice so I know how bad that feels at home how do you feel when you got your ass kicked and you did all of this shit talking all of this and it didn't work

Oh, yeah, yeah

Yeah. Like her be by simple. He'll be wet from like maybe maybe two to three million followers to like 12 overnight.

And he's just punching him in the face. Hey, he's got some savage moments. Oh, man. I think one of my favorites, I think I don't know if it was, it might have been the Edson Barbosa fight, or some other fight, where he was, he was on top of the guy. He was holding them with one hand, holding his face, and he was beating his face with the other hand. I was like, this is the most savage shit I've ever seen.

Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson. Michael Johnson.

Oh, Michael, I think is one of the most dangerous lightweights.

The weird thing about Michael Johnson is he doesn't look at the party. He looks long limbs. They look skinny, but he's got speed and power. Till this, well, until Leon. Michael's the only god has ever dropped me. Set me down. And while I felt worse after that, then I do now after the Leon situation. Really? Yeah. Because he beat my ass. My like beat my ass that sparse it was it was early on I think it was like I was like maybe in the second year of training them and May and Michael was getting ready for a fight he's in the UFC at this point and he's he was like maybe two three weeks out three weeks out and Mike's on because he's Mike and that's another thing I love about Mike is Mike likes to train it might not be all the things that he should be training but my love to train he loves his bar And so I just I think was in between my first and second fight. I just came off of my first win. So I had a couple weeks off. So I'm coming in and I'm sparring Michael Johnson and he's three weeks out from his fight. Mike's on at this point and we're sparring this part and and You know, I'm trying to fake it. I'm trying to be a bigger guy. So I'm trying to like, you know, I didn't find a groove. I didn't have a groove at this point. I was just a guy who could wrestle in throw punches. And Mike is moving his feet. He's touching me. He's touching me. He starts slow. He starts slow. Then he starts picking up the pace. And then I was like, I'm gasping for air. And we're fucking two minutes in. And he's still just peppering me. And then now he starts to land shots and they're getting harder and harder and harder. Now we're three minutes in and I'm waiting for the bell to go off, but no, we're still stuck in here. And at that point, I would spot with head gear. So I'm like, no, fuck, this head gear's getting in my way. That's what's causing it. But no, my was just beating my ass. So I take the head gear off and we're still going and he just puts a combination on me, boom, being, being sits me down. Being and I fall like on my hand and I roll over and this how fucked up it is. Rashad had the whole thing recorded and had it on his phone forever. And so I fell and I'm We're home that night. We're shots replaying it and he's showing me how I felt. And I'm like, no, I just, you know, I slipped and I felt and he's like, no, no use, use down. Cause you fell on your hand and you kind of rolled over like, so it wasn't like I was out, but it was like he sat me down. Good. He beat my ass to this day while until Leon Edwards. That was the only time I've ever been sat down. And that bothered you more. They had bothered me more because I didn't have an answer for it. These are the moments that really haunted me that they've really messed with me was when there was nothing I can do about it. um there's there's that the first one was Rashad Rashad beat me up one time to where I had to rethink what I was doing so I think I was about a year in my career and this was around similar times and Rashad was like really Traveling a lot, which I was a man, which I was traveling doing shows, commentating, you know, maybe doing movie here and there, and I was living with her shot. So at this time, yeah, like he was a stretch, he was going for like three weeks, and I'm training every day twice a day. I'm like, this dude's not fucking. He hasn't really been training, hasn't been going in the gym. I know if he comes to wrestling, I could not wrestle him. But I'm like, I'm striking now, I'm starting to hit people. Like, no, he comes in, I'm gonna put it on him. I built this whole experience in my head. I'm like, oh, I'm put it on my side. Let him know little brawls. Hey, little brawls, learn it some shit. And he hadn't trained three, three weeks, four weeks. And so he comes and tell and he comes back and we go to the gym and usually. And he would hate that I'm saying this, but I had the hardest time waking Rashad up in the morning. He would not leave his room. His room was on the other side of the house. He would not leave his room. We had practice at 10.30. We have a 30 minute drive. He would not come out of his room until after 10 a.m. And so I would always go bail on his door. Hey, you up, you know, try to get him out before 10. And he just would not do it. And so I would drive us to the gym. You know, I'm a little brawn. I take care of the house when he's not there. And, you know, so I drive us to the gym. And the whole time in my head, I had to explain, like, I'm a fucking up today. He's been going for three, three weeks. I'm about to show the new industry that I've learned. I'm gonna put it on him. And I know he hasn't been training. So we get to the gym and he just happens to be sparring day. So I'm smiling. I'm my dad. It's gonna be the day. I'm gonna show him a little bro. Learn some shit. And I'm on the other side of the room and I first couple of rounds. I kind of go with guys that would go at my pace. And so I think it was like maybe the third round. And Rashad, he comes in. He takes his sweet ass time. This is what he was at 25. He takes his time and he gets ready and all of this. And then he's going, and I'm the whole time I'm eyeballing him. I'm not on the other side of the gym. I'm eyeballing him. Yeah, I'm going to go with him today. So now it's dirt round. I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's go. Let's go. He's like, I, and this was MMA clubs. And this was back there in the Black Zillions. We didn't really start using the seven-ounce poofy gloves. We'd used the UFC MMA gloves. And so Roshah had his gloves on. And we start moving and we're going and I'm just like, I got it. I'm trying some shit. I don't know now. So I throw, I throw like one, two or something like that and I just kind of hit his hands and he's moving with me, moving with me. And I'm like, let me ramp it up on him. I know he's not in shape. Let me ramp up on him. So I'm picking up the pace I'm picking up the pace and now I can hit him and then he starts hitting me But he was hitting me a little bit like with a little bit more conviction than I anticipated than I thought I was like, why is he? And he's hitting me and I can stop it and now he starts fucking me up And he's beaten on me, and I might, no, okay, let me go to my wrestling. I know I could always get him there. And I shoot for takedowns, he's stuffed them all. Like two or three of them, he's stuffed them. Then he hits me, he starts hitting me again, he has me against the wall, and he's beating on my body. Then he shoots for takedown, he takes me down. And I'm just like, fuck, there was nothing I could do. I just, I didn't have the knowledge to really defend myself. There, and he mounts me, and that was one of the worst things at that point. Two or five were shot. On top of you is bad because you know you can see it in his fights when he was at 2 or 5 like when he mounts guys he'll crucify guys that's like his thing and he crucifies me he beat my ass so bad Usually I drive us to practice and I drive us home. He knew he beat my ass that bad. He drove. He's like, yeah, let me drive home. So he drove. I was sitting in the passenger seat and I'm just looking at the window. I couldn't make eye contact with him. I'm looking out the window the whole time. Like, oh, shit. And then we get home and usually when we're home, like, I'll like make lunch or we're like, get lunch. This day we didn't get lunch or I usually sit on the couch and maybe watch old fights or watch something like that in the liver room. But now I was in my room the whole time I was like, no I'm not coming out. And he would just randomly come in the open door and you're like, you're good. I'm like, yeah, I'm good, man. I'm good. He's like, all right, you want something? Like, no, I'm okay. I'm okay. I felt like he purposely knew he beat this shit out of me and that how he just had to check on me all the other day to make sure that I was okay. But it messed with me because I couldn't do anything about it. I couldn't defend myself. I didn't have the knowledge to it. Yeah. And that was what was so hard about my first professional loss as well as When I got submitted, I didn't have the knowledge, because I wasn't doing digital like that. I didn't know what, and how to defend myself at that point. So those were hard. This one, not so much, because I knew exactly, you know, where I went wrong. And it wasn't like I, like, were shot beat my ass. There was nothing I could do. This one, that wasn't the case. So, you know, this is a little easier to deal with.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, it's weird. It's weird to really explain, but it's, you get to a certain point to where people start putting expectations on you. They start like, oh, yeah, you're going to do this. You're going to do that. Yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're that to where I didn't get into it for all of that. I was never, I was never attached to the title. Now, as weird as that sound, I was never attached to it. It wasn't like, oh, I'm champion. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to this. I got a hold on to Anything to hold on to this anything to hold on to this. I was never really like that. So everyone got felt like kind of started putting expectations like, oh, you're about to break this record. I didn't know I didn't even know what Anderson Silver's record was until like before last fight where everyone started saying, oh yeah, you're about to break the Anderson Silver's record or you're about to tie this. You're already broke your same peers record. I don't care. I don't give a shit. The last time I cared about the number was when I was five and one, and I was about to get into the UFC. It was like, yeah, I'm five and one. They had a Rochelle winner, like a 15 fight win streak one time. Damn, I wish I could do something that great. And, but I just Rochelle even told me at that point, he's like, just take it fight at the time. As long as you worry about that next fight, and that next fight, and the next fight, don't add up. And so, yeah, it was almost like a relief of expectations of everyone's pressure. Oh, yeah, you're the goat. This, you're the goat. That's relative. That's a relative. Like it's hard to argue that situation because George St. Pierre was the greatest in his era with what he had to deal with the opposition he had to deal with. He was the greatest handsome. And, you know, when George St. Pierre kind of moved aside, Woodley was, was that guy. And then Robbie had a stint there. Robbie was that guy. So, and Pat Militech had a stint when he was that guy. So was that man he was. And so to say, oh, yeah, that guy's the goat. That's that's relative because Stahl's make fights. You know, and you can never really tell what would transpire if this guy goes with that guy.

Yeah, I started when you start watching, and like I mentioned, I started doing research when I started getting more and more in the MMA. And yeah, I thought, I'm like, yeah, I'm Joe had hair, Joe was Joe was. 20 years ago that's crazy to not and that's how long you've been in the sport you've been coming watch started in 97 as a postfight interviewer yeah that's all that wild that yeah and some of the questions you asked to was was was was bottom like down And the guys are fresh off the fights and have an interviews, but even then you were on the money. I was like damn Joe, it's been doing this for a minute.

It's, yeah. And then watching the evolution because it was almost like, guys came in with one skill. And it was, they would try battling to see which skill would dominate. And then you had the, the, the, the, the, you know, the mixture, the guys that were coming now with two skills.

Yeah. And, and then, and then you have guys like Rashad, who come in with like two, three skills, who could wrestle, who could box and cannot, and it's like, Wow. And then, you know, you got guys like Chuck, you know, but Chuck just wanted to stand. But he had the wrestling to stop you from taking them down. Yeah. And then, you know, the sport just kind of starts to shift and change into where the guys are, guys are just ninja kids. Not just guys. Kids are ninjas now.

Oh yeah, we have, there's a couple of some young guys that I just watch, I'm just like, holy shit, these guys are going to be a pro. There's, I have one of my training partners in March, he was a wrestler at a Wyoming. I think it was like a three-time conference champion of Wyoming and then went to National National Qualifier and just strong, explosive, wrestler, but he just wants to knock you out. He was just standing in bang with you the whole time until he does knock you out. And I watched these guys try to make it. These guys are going to be the future. We have a young kid. It's a young Nigerian kid named Atamu. He trains over at Kill Cliff with Henry Houth. And I watch this guy spars with the world champion and he's green. Spar the world champion and he's kicking them in the face and he's just doing everything. Oh my what the fuck? Yeah, I need to hurry up.

Everyone expected me. I feel like you get to a certain point. It's a weirdest thing to me. It's like, I don't understand how people, people just want to see the demise of someone else. Like, it's like, people are feeding for that. They stay and they sit there.

That's what I understand.

Yeah, and it's, You know, I recognize that. You know, and even after the last time we spoke and I don't, I'm not on social media like that. Like I post something here and there, some days I'll go a few days and not even look at it, some days I'll, you know, post. And that's, I guess a good and a bad thing with the new algorithm that kind of Instagram has is you don't just see everybody shit right now. It's like maybe like your friends that constantly you talk to, you see their stuff. And so, you know, I'll get on my daughter's doing something cute or I feel like it's something cool. I want to share. I'll get on post that and then I'll get off. But I feel like, and it's even making people more upset because they expected me to feel a certain way that I'm not feeling.

Because people make fake pages with my face. It was hilarious to me. This was the funniest shit to me. It was maybe a couple hundreds would make a great go out of their way to create a whole page with because when I was knocked out I was like my eyes were open which was the craziest thing to me. You know now that I what I've watched the fight over a maybe like ten times and my eyes were open which was weird and so people would like screen grab that and make a fake page with that as the avatar and have a page dedicated to that. Like you got knocked out, you got this, you got for them to take time out of the day, I'm like shit, I'm special.

Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit.

Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't have the time to do that, shit. Yeah, I don't But it's funny to me. It was funny. It made me laugh. Yeah, it made me laugh.

I was almost posted that yesterday.

No, it was. What did you experience so?

Oh man, I was dreading talking about this, but not in a bad way. It was funny to me. The fight is going, and there was a zone that I've learned to put myself in. And my coach is going to kind of test this, like, because I do it even in training. There's a way that I train that I practice to where I try to get myself into the zone, which is as similar to a fight experience as I can be. And to where I try not to be bothered by anything that's going on. And my body has adjusted and gotten used to this. So in the first round, the fight's going on and boom, that situation happens. He hooked my He hooked my legs and this is my bad knee. Well, my not so good knee, but most of them aren't the greatest, so I'm like, okay, let me hit them through. So I try to hit them through, but he just had great position, you know, on kudos to him and I get taking that. That I probably was more upset about. Given up that take down was like fuck. I gave up and take down. So we get done and he, you know, he tries to, you know, he takes it back and I'm just chilling and waiting for the bell and the bell goes off and I get up. And I didn't realize this until I watched the fight back over. I get up and I was kind of smiled. You know, I get up and I jog back to my corner. But I was, I look at it and I'm like, okay, I know that's where I was at at that time. I was in that zone to have unbothered by whatever is happening. I'm going to make this be whatever I want it to be. And so the next round I just take off and I just start kind of willing on them. And so by the fifth round, I kind of have them in a spot to where I'm just like, I never think, okay, yeah, I've got to fight one. Let me just coast. Let me hold on to him and win. I never think that. I want to, if I can't get to, if I can get to finish, I'm going to try to get that finished. And I want to do something spectacular. You know, I'm like, okay, I'm going to take a risk here. I'm going to do something great. And I remember, and this is a great thing about Trevor Whitman in the training camp. We work on certain techniques to kind of put him where you want him and get him out of there. Like, even in the mass with all fight, like everyone, all the knockout just happened. No, I sat him up for the knockout. People didn't realize. I did the same sequence in the first round that I did it to finish him. And so I start that with Leo. You know, because I've kind of got Leon in a place now to where I, you know, I could kind of really kind of dictate whatever I wanted to do. And so we get him up and I think her breaks us from the case. So we're moving and I'm trying to set him up and I'm trying to get his feet moving. I wasn't doing the greatest of job, which is this is all I mean. And I'm trying to get his feet moving. You see me changing levels. And what I wanted to do was set him up and I was going to throw the punches that he couldn't see. And I wanted to sit him down and get him out of there. I wanted to throw him with conviction. And really like I do with Master Dawn and get him out of there. And so I'm like, OK, what I'm going to do is I'm going to shake off, shake right. And then I'm going to let him go. But I got to get him moving first. And I didn't do a great job of that. And so I'm moving over. I'm like, oh, I got him set up. All right, which I really didn't. I shake left. I shake right. And I'm sitting in the ambulance and they're asking me, do you know where you're at?

Yeah, I was awake. But I remember coming to it.

Oh, I was good. Yeah, I was good. I was taught. I watched the fight over. I'm good. I was talking. I talked to Trevor. You know, I talked to everyone. I apparently, because you know, you go back and then you go into medical tent and they, uh, to care of you and all the other members. You don't remember any of that. And they talked to me. I talked to my family. I hugged everyone because he's on video and everything. I remember sitting, it was like Leon gave me like a 20 minute nap. I was laughing hysterically in the in the hospital because I had to go in just to get scanned and all of that which Everything was fun. So it's like immediately I come to, I mean, the ambulance, they're asking me, you know where you're, I'm like, yeah, Salt Lake City, USA278, like what's your date of birth? I'm like, answer, five, you know, and they were like, wow, perfect. I answered everything perfectly. Like, oh, we still need to take you to the hospital just to get you scanned and everything like that. I was like, all right, fun. So we go to the hospital to get scanned and everything. But I was already good. I was okay. I wasn't, I was maybe disappointed that I lost. But I wasn't like bummed like the first loss that I had in my career. That wasn't fucked with me.

Yeah. It was the uncertainty of the future. And also because there was nothing I can do with that. I couldn't defend myself because I didn't have the knowledge of it. That was what hurt me the most. Because when I was in that position, I could have fought it because I was standing up with the guy a backpack for almost a minute. And I had no idea what to do. And I wanted to go back to the ground and try to fight it. But in my head, I said, shit, I don't know what I'm doing down there if I go down there anyways. So no, I'm just going to stay up here until I eventually tap. But this one was like, okay, I know my mistakes. That's the one thing I've said. I'm very, very honest with myself. I'm honest with myself to where I'm like, shit, okay, he got me. He got me. You know, I didn't do a good job of what I wanted to do and he got me. And I don't like the notion of everyone saying, oh, he got lucky. Yeah, he got lucky. Yeah, of course. But luck to me is not what everyone is saying. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. That's luck to you. You can't tell me that Leon didn't train that kick. Of course he did. I'm not even the South Pole and I train that kick. I know he trained that kick and there's a video I don't know if that was before the fight or after or whatever that was but they're like look his video they're actually trained yeah of course you trained that that's what a well-rounded number one contender makes martial arts in the world should do and they should know how to do it's yeah of course he trained that so yeah he did get lucky He prepared to be able to land a cake like that. I presented him with the opportunity and he landed the cake. And here we are. So, you know, people are kind of trying to take away from his way and all he either. No, he landed a good cake, you know, and he put me out.

Well, I mean, they said that they were the giver. I wasn't really, you know, he didn't rock me to where I sat down. And I was, you know, you just done you. Yeah, it was just like boom. That was a heavy shot shit. And I even put my hand down to say, and I could see, I knew what was going on. And I, he was coming at me and I put my hand down to brace and try to, you know, control the situation. You know, yeah, that was a heavy shot, a giver in his heart. It's hard, you know, but this was, yeah, this was like a good night and it gave me a good 20 minute nap.

I didn't get them to do. Everything was perfect. That's the thing I love. My coaches are amazing. Trevor, Whitman, Ben Charentan, George Santiago, and these guys, they do a great job in my strengthening conditioning coaches. Cory Peacock and Aaron, they do a great job of preparing me. They do a great job of what they have to work with, getting that prepared for battle. And for me, it was executing what I wanted to do. In that moment, it was a setup that I was trying to set Leon up and I didn't execute it the proper way. I didn't move his feet the way that I wanted to move his feet. I didn't put him in the position where I wanted to put him in order to be successful at what I wanted to do. And so that was all of me. No, it was a great, it was a great one and the instructions. And I tried that based on the instructions that I got from Trevor. And it was amazing instructions because Trevor did tell me that, hey, when you're throwing your right hand, you're looping it and he can see it because it's a softball and he's just leaning back. And so I was like, oh shit, you're right. So I need to throw it a different way. And I was setting them up for that. And I didn't execute the way that I wanted to. And he called me.

that and it took years for me to get to that point because yeah I'm human you know I get you know stuff on going is not going your way you start to you know the anxiety starts to build and then you start to you know start doing things uncharacteristic for me I've I've trained over and over and over it's try to be as close to that zone as possible and so we just execute yeah we're out of what don't care what happened like I kicked his, I think I kicked his, I kicked his elbow and I kicked his shin a couple of times. And if you ever kicked a shit and kicked a... It's not for me. It's not. I'm sitting here with the I have a huge bump on my shit and still from any still swallowing up, you know, and I didn't care. I didn't even, didn't even phase me, you know, because I was in that zone. And I didn't care what I got taken up. I don't give a shit if I get beat. It's for four rounds of 50 minutes. Guess what? I'm still gonna execute. That 10 seconds left, I'm gonna execute what I said I ought to do.

I mean, just years of experience. So it's just interesting. Years of experience, trial and error, and all of all of the above, like, you know, I started meditating. I've grown a lot in the last three years. A lot has happened to me in the last three years. Hold on. Life, you know, experiences, you know, like, the children. Yeah, my father being bad. How great is that? That it's amazing. It's amazing for him to be able to witness now everything that's going on in my life and see it firsthand. You know, that that that feels great to me. That's one of the joys of where I am now, which I think has kind of ultimately led me to the point where I am because it's I see things down. I'm just more grateful for things. And I see people kind of like look at me like an alien because if I'm not upset at certain things that don't go my way or if I don't react to certain way, to certain things people are like, oh, why? Why aren't you reacting this way? Why aren't you? You should be more upset. Oh, you're not disappointed, you know, her? No, and especially about this experience. The biggest, I would say, the most hurtful thing for me is I didn't represent. Well, it's not that I didn't represent. I did. I didn't get the result for the amount of work that I put in. The amount of work that my coaches put in with me. Well, you did minus one minute. Exactly. But the three is for me is I'm not one of those. Oh, you kind of execute. No, I want to execute all the way through. Right. And so yeah, I'm secure and knowing what I'm capable of. I know what I'm capable of doing the Leon ever, so I'm to anybody else in the world. I know that. And so it's funny to me now everyone's kind of writing off like, okay, and they're talking about, yeah, this is a big fight Leon and this guy Leon and that guy, and I'm sitting like, I'm the best in the world. Are you serious? You know? So that that I would say maybe might be a little irritation for my part, but it's not it's it's I didn't feel like I didn't get the victory. So I in my head I might then you you didn't execute all the way through. But I know what I'm capable of. I've always known what I've capable of. I knew that before I fought a time with me.

1,000%. Everything is a lesson for me. Everything. Every experience. Every failed relationship, failed business. All of that is a lesson for me. I got a lot of flag. I saw that. Okay, the one moment I have to be honest that did hit my heart a little bit was When I was in a hospital with Ali we were in a hospital together when I was getting skin I was already back I was watching the video clip of it and he showed me that because I wanted to see how it happened and I was like damn he got me that was a good shot You know, I was in the obvious of it. Like I'm like, yeah, he sent me up good. That's she was beautiful. You know, it's like a form was just nice, you know, kudos to Leon. But then they, the camera pans into the audience and they showed my daughter, my daughter cried. that she cried and that that was like a it was the weirdest thing it was like a instant trigger response like boom my heart like I wanted to cry just seeing that for her because as a as a parent as a father that's one of the worst things is we couldn't and I learned that when my daughter was an infant is when they're sick or something's bothering them you just feel it just hit your heart And then when my thought was crying, that one, it got to me. I was like, oh shit, I don't, I don't, I didn't like seeing that. And then, you know, Connor, I think Connor tweeted something and was kind of blasting me about it, like, you know, for bringing her to the fire and this and that and really? And yeah, like he tweeted some, some mean things or certain things like that. And it was just like, I'm, I'll load people sometimes. But for me, it was like, Fuck, no! Like, they don't, they don't understand it. They don't understand it. They're just in a low level of thinking to where they don't understand. Like, absolutely I'm gonna bring her. My daughter's not only going to see when daddy's victorious and daddy just continues to beat everybody and daddy gets to put her in the best school or whatever she wants to be. No, you know, because I'm in a weird place like I'm trying to teach her. She has work ethic, but it's kind of like, I don't want to do that today or I don't want to go to gymnastics, so I don't want to do that this week and she's kind of like, doesn't want to do it. Oh, I don't like it anymore. I want to quit. You know, and I'm trying to teach her the best way that I can without forcing her to do something of what it takes to work hard. My daughter has been going to the gym with me ever since she was six months old, so she understands that. And she's okay with it. That's why she can watch my fights. But I'm not only going to bring her because that is victorious. I am blessed right now with an opportunity to show my daughter that. Look, you can fall down and look how you can get back up. And so to see people like, and someone like Connor who actually does have children, to say something like that. It was like, man, you're missing the mark big time, bro. You're missing it big time because I am blessed with the, I like how I am blessed. How often do you get an opportunity like that to where you can give them an example of how it is to rebound at the highest level?

No, I try to limit my... This is like, like, fight week. I got, I had to get comfortable with bringing her around fight week. Because, and I learned this the first fight she ever went to was the title would be, fight. And my daughter, we have this bond to her. My daughter wants to be sweet. She's going to be sweet. She's going to be on me. She's going to rub my face and grab me just be very affectionate. And I just felt this overwhelming sense of, no, because I had come in weeks, I built myself into this iron-clad guy, to this mental state that I want to be in, to go to war. And with my daughter, she flips the switch on all that. She turns it off. And I learned that fight. Like, okay, I gotta limit my moments with her because she softens me up. And so when I see her now, it's like moments I try to really fight that and stay in that place and not spend too much time with her because she's going to get affectionate. And I don't want to make her feel weird for being affectionate. But at the same time, I understand what I am feeling and the mental state that I'm in. So no, by the time I walk into the cage, I'm already that person. When they come and get you from that back room and they say, all right, you're time. So I pace back and forth in the backstage before I do the walk and I'm already, I'm starting this slowly climbing to the Nigerian nightmare when I step inside that cage. So when I'm there, I don't even know, I don't feel, I don't see, I don't hear, I don't care that they're there. I have a task, I have a job to do and that's what I need to do.

I, that's a good question. I've never been in a situation. So for me, it was always like, all right, well, you know, I get home and I'm home for like two, two days and I start getting bored. And because it's only so much like I drive for the school, I get a ready in the morning, take a to school. Then I come back home and say 830 and I'm just like sitting there because I can't go back to sleep 830 more. I'm sitting there like shit all right. Oh, let's go train and I go usually go back to the gym and you know whether it's just hitting the bag or doing something rolling with George it's something but now it's with this fight the way ended they're like hey don't you can't train for a certain amount of time you can't see the bag well they they don't want me doing anything to I guess cause vibration or to my brain or anything like that so I'm just like you know what I'm just gonna lay low just give it up because I it's I very rarely do I have a break do I really really do I have someone say hey stop you can't train even when I'm in training camp practice is over Trevor as soon as Trevor leaves the room my mind's already like what else can I do today what else can I do to push ten hands what I've just learned And so it's kind of a relief. It's kind of a change to where I one time I sat in my movie room for like four hours. I watched the fight like three times in a row over and over and over and then it watched the movie or something that I'm waiting. I'm just waiting for my daughter to get out of school. I'm like, okay, she's about to be done. All right, let's get ready to go get her. So I'm already bored and I want to go train. I want to go do something. I feel completely fine. Like I said, it was almost like Leon gave me a 20 minute nap and I was back. And there was no other repercussions? Nothing. I feel nothing except for the bump on my chin for kicking his elbow and I feel nothing. So I want to go back but that doctors are like saying, which I have to listen because that's supposed to pose the supposedly experts. And they're like, yeah, even though you might not feel anything, there might be some bruising back there that you don't know that could cause some type of harm later on. So how many weeks? I don't know a few weeks. Just a few weeks, yeah, but, you know, I'm already thinking about what I can do, push-ups, sit-ups, do this or that, just stay in shape because I already feel like, you know, I'm addicted to that burn of that workout, the burn of physical activity. I can honestly say I'm an addict to that.

I just go.

I've just been conditioned over time to when it's time to just compete. I don't care what's going on, which is we compete. And are they getting worse? I don't think so. I mean, I think they're stabilized. Yeah, I think they're stabilized because I, you know, over time now, I've, I've usually I could just go into a practice, you know, like I said that one day Rashad just came in and didn't really even warm up and still whip my ass. I could usually do that, but now it takes me about 45 minutes to warm up. Even if my workout might be 30 minutes, it takes me about 45 minutes to warm up. And I try to be religiously diligent in that, in knowing that I have to get that in. In order to prolong my ability to stay here, I have to do that. And then after you've done, you've got a stretch, you've got to cool down, which I'm still a much better at, but I'm still working out the kinks of those.

But that's because it wasn't part of the culture. We weren't taught that. It was just like show up, spar, or go home, so on your couch.

Yeah, it's just the mechanics of how they get the leg of the technique.

No, I mean, I think to compete, I think there, you know, doctors would sign off in about two months. They would say you'd be okay.

In terms of fights? I don't know. It's weird. So everyone, Maddie Packey, I don't know. It's weird.

Yeah, now I think for me personally everyone's like everyone's this expert everyone's throwing these things out like no, I need to wait a month two months three months. Oh no, can he ever that's the this was the most the funniest thing to me that I've been seeing so far in the internet Is is he ever gonna be the same again? How is he gonna come back? How is he going to do this? How is he going to do that? He's going to be gunshot. He's going to fucking know. I'm fine. Like right now, I wanted to train last week. I wanted to go in as far last week, but I knew that probably wasn't the wisest thing to do.

Yeah, I've definitely seen that and the thing is I don't feel any different and I think the good thing about the way that I compete anyways is I don't I try not to take punishment. You know, I try to use my brain. I try to use, you know, I want to outthink the guys when I'm in there fighting. And I think I do that pretty well. So, but I'm listening to, you know, the experts and the guys that have, you know, the knowledge of what this is and they're saying, if they say it, okay, you need to wait a month and not take any hard train or every this, yeah, of course. I'm nothing but type. I mean, the only logical thing that makes sense is to fight this guy again. Yeah. Like, well, that's where the money is too. Yeah, but for me, it's not necessarily about the money. I don't really care about the money for me. Don't tell them that. I mean, I don't care about the money. Of course, me and Dana talk. Me and Dana, we here. So he knows. But I do care. I like to be, of course, I want to be rewarded for the time that I put in, but for me, it's The main thing is representing the work that I put in. That's the biggest thing for me. I give everything for this. I've sacrificed a lot. I sacrificed relationships. I sacrificed time with my daughter. I think this camp was going almost like a six week stretch. This is time that I won't get back. All these things that I sacrificed. I sacrifice time with friends, you know, like, for me, I just live this, you know, I'm in camp and even like my nutritionist, the chef is sure to make me food. Some days I'll come in and I'll just, I won't even talk. I'll just eat. The food's there already and I'll just eat. And I know in her head she wants to have a conversation or she's wondering why is any, you know, talking. I don't, I just want to eat, you know. I'm living in my head and I'm going through this experience and maybe that day Trevor put me through a workout that was just super tough that I was fluctuating with dealing with it mentally while I was doing it. So I'm reflecting on that the whole time. So I might sit there and just stare off in the space while I'm eating and I know she probably wonders why I wasn't talking, why isn't he? But that's it. I sacrifice all of those things for what I am doing right now. And so, yeah, I have to represent that. Each and every time I step in there, I want to represent that to the fullest. You know, I don't spend as much time with my mom and dad. You know, my dad's out now. And, you know, I'm sure he's having a blast, you know, now seeing where we all are in life. But I would love to spend more time with him. But I sacrifice all of that to go and try to be great at this.

I think what makes more sense is to go to London or go to England somewhere. I think I make sense. I love the idea. I love it. And so I think they already booked all the way up to January. So I think at any time February, March.

Yeah, it's perfect. It just lines up my phone. Yeah, so I'm going to take the time. I'm going to make sure that I listen to all the experts and take the appropriate time and let it heal. If they say, oh, yeah, you healed now, which I already feel fine. Then, hey, let's rock and roll.

Yeah, I think. That's what we're there for that one.

This is, I mean, it just lines up like I've, I see things. I'm so grateful for some of the things that I am experiencing in life. to, I was grateful to be able to fight, turn on what they for the bell, and win, and I'm grateful to be able to defend, and I was one of the headline of Paperview and Vegas. I did that with Kobe coming in. It's like, wow, that was great to me. It's like, I'm all these amazing things, and then it's like, MSG wow that would be cool and then they get the calls like oh shit. I'm gonna do that too It's grateful for that then head now to be a part of potentially headlining a stadium show in England Yeah, they're talking about Wembley right?

I've got 18 like I walk out of Salt Lake City, which is big shout out to Salt Lake City, big shout out to all the guys that took her of us. They're Sean and all those guys they the AG and they did a fantastic job taking care of state. They were very hospitable and so I'm thinking you know I love it because I I went to school in Colorado in Iowa in the Midwest so I'm like, okay, so I like city and I live in Colorado. I'm like, I'm, you know, I don't know what to expect here. And I walk out. I'm walking out. I'm like, holy shit. These people are top of me. Like they were like, right. They were right. They were intimate arena. It was in the air. It was intimate. They were packed. I was like, wow, this is incredible.

Oh, yeah. I'm hoping they enjoyed the show. And not the result I wanted.

It wasn't even, I didn't even think about the guys anymore. You know, they were, it was always someone, you know, as soon before you even get done, oh, that guy's next, that guy's next. It was always someone, but I got used to that in wrestling because, you know, the three years division two, I was right number one going into the national tournament. And so I kind of made friends with everyone looking at me as that guy. The dumb one guy they were coming after. And that was fine for me. It was fine. I got beat my sophomore year in junior year. I got beat in the national finals. And then senior year I was like, no, I'm gonna win this day. And I eventually did win it. But I feel like I've just been everything in my life leading up to it. It's just been preparing me for it. And it's Now it's, I'm just blessed to be able to still be able to do it, you know, to say that I, and I talked to my, my friends, I, which I consider like big brothers, Daniel Kormier and these guys, and Daniel's like, yo, when you stop, the shit stops, it just stops. And you feel it, because that's an elite athlete, you feel that. Yeah. And I think some of these guys are still chasing now. I mean, Connor is still chasing that. He, you know, he loves that feeling, which, you know, more power to him if he can still get there.

That's a very good way of putting it because, like I said, I try to learn from the guys that have done it before. And that's one of the things, whether you win or lose, you're gonna go up and down, you're gonna have a come down. And it's just moments where you feel the depression kind of setting a little bit. and obviously worse when you do lose. And I've recognized those. And I've been, you know, over the years now, I've been, you know, trying to kind of branch out and learn different ways and get into different things to be able to do that. And, you know, I've taken up, which I would love to have a conversation one day, you know, hopefully being in the same setting as Michael Jordan. I would love to have a conversation with Kyle like that. you know, in the Tiger Woods and all these guys and have a conversation with them and just what is it like? I love learning. Yeah, what is it like for you guys? Yeah. You know, but now I'm just I'm starting to learn. I'm branching out. I took up tennis. I'm starting to learn tennis tennis lesson. That seems like golf lesson. Yeah, golf lessons. I'm starting to, you know, take a little bit of lessons there and and even in the business world, I've started to kind of dabble a little bit in that, which That I've been screwed over a couple of times and like oh fuck like that's what I'm saying it's like It's hard when you're doing something like this because this has to take a lot of my attention and so even in the business world I've been you know I've been got a few times Joe I was, I mean, Joe, I mean, I did two quick stories. One at first time, well, Scott was got by this, some, some girl in Miami, they at least at Lisa Anderson or something like that. She was, I guess, a day trader. And, you know, Newer shot so this was right I became champion right after time with this the first time I'm really made significant money and And everyone you know it tells you oh you got to you have to invest you have to invest you have to invest I'm like oh fuck okay I need to start now you know to invest something and you know me and Rashada I meet with some advisors and I'm thinking about working with them And that same day, through that meeting I met with Rashad, me and Rashad had lunch and Rashad said, oh, yeah, I know this girl who does investments and things like that. I was like, oh, okay, you know, I, you know, how well, you knew her, it was just like, oh, I know this girl. And because like, oh, yeah, he's like, yeah, you should probably call that her. You know, so Rashad's always, I say big brothers, always trying to like help me out in this way in that way. So finally meet the girl you know like eventually we connect and she's she's not bad looking you know That's probably the problem.

It's not bad looking and she just, you know, I guess games me up over time and make a long story short. She got me out of like 55 bands, 55,000. Got me.

She was a day trader. We signed this contract to where, okay, you invest this amount and this is the amount of interest that she can incur over time. Is it in a fund? Yeah, she had these closed, there's a small funds, you know, increments about, I think maybe half a million or 300,000 and I had different people in the fund and whatever whatever, you know, I don't know what she did, but eventually she got me for 55, you know, I tried to reach out to her to get the money back, nothing. And then over time then she had messaged me like maybe a year later like hey, I'm sorry I lost everything I wanted to reach out to you and the blah blah blah. I just for me was just like I'm not fucking getting it back.

I have no idea it's self-lord.

It's for the so crazy. Oh, which leaves me to the next one. Oh my god. So this guy, it's a guy named Pino. Right away, I'm nervous. And he's Canadian, you know, from Canada, he owns his franchise. Pizza pasta franchise. in Canada and in Vivo. And I met him through a mutual friend, you know, that I hadn't floored a friend of mine that was, you know, a smart guy into business. And the friend's like, hey, he has this restaurant that he's already has like five, six locations at Canada. Well, blah, blah, blah. and I just happen to go to Canada maybe 2017 or 2018 and then he's like hey come to these come look at these restaurants and I go and look at them and mason I mean crowd people and I have the food it's amazing I'm like okay This is cool, but I'm still reluctant. Like, I don't know any, I don't know enough about this. And the guy in the way he talks, you know, is the tank. It's like, hey, could any call me Kumar? I'm like, that's my name. He's like, he's like, he's like, hey, we're gonna go here, we're gonna eat, and we're gonna have a great time. I'm telling you, this is gonna be the best ever you've ever had. And he talks like that. And he just, it's just something you know, you have that intuition. Right. But I just, you don't fucking listen to it. And he, he, he's like, okay, I'm coming down. I want to basically do the same thing in South Florida. I'm doing the chain of what not. And I'm still reluctant because all my advisors and, and my accountant says, don't get involved in a restaurant business. Don't do it. Don't do it. You know, especially if you don't know what you're doing. Don't do it. So I listen, I listen for a while and then he just somehow uses my friends, people around me to get to me. So all in all we get a group the guys of us he gets us for like half a million and you know he sells us the restaurant like one of the business and he he got them because they were in for another location so he got them for like over over a million so the one I invested it was a different location and he got us for half a million but he turned around and sold it to a, uh, same time, sold it, sell it to another couple like page and I forget her name page and Paul. Someone got them for like half a million. Turns out sells it to another one. Like this is, like, he sells the same restaurant to like do your four different people. Oh my God. And I remember sometimes he would talk to us and he said, you know, I just, I don't like these people don't hear stuff loaded. But just scammers, you know, I don't like these people. And when people talk about scammers, chances are they are the scammers. right and and he gets us for that much and he's he's I don't know I think he's sold it to someone else now a different group now and the thing is he's still walking around what like you know especially me still all told He got them for some of my friends. He got them for over a million. And then he got us. He got our group for another half a million. And then he got them for another half the other group page and Paul for like half a million. So couple million. But who knows how many people he's done that to? I mean he's because he's got locations all through Canada. What's the name of the place? Vivo. Vivo pizza.

He said he's a threat. Yeah, he's a threat. And then he's, I think he's, I don't, I don't, I don't want to speculate on what he's doing with the money, but all I know is he sold us a piece of a location that we paid him for. Never was built the time where said it was be built. Nothing, anything like that. And then now he's saying he didn't get money from us. While we're like, here's the receipts. He's like, no, I didn't get that much. It's like, what? And he lives in Canada? He lives in Florida and Canada. So he's like, I can see him around in Florida. He would probably be in a restaurant. It's a close place where we live. So I could probably see him in a restaurant. He's sitting there eating. Probably swindling someone else. I don't know. I probably nothing. You know, the smart, the smart individual, the smarter individual that I am now, probably nothing. Because that's just an opportunity for him to get more money out of me. Like if I go up and let's say he decides to, I'm going to get brave and talk reckless to him because he knows he's going to provoke me and try to get my face and do this. What am I supposed to do? People like that, I can't hit him, I can't. I'm a boy, I'm a man, at some point I'm going to want to get physical. You know, I can't do that. Because if I do do that, I say, yes, now I get more money out of him. Can you sue him? Yeah, I think we're in the process of trying to do that. But it's how long we're going on? Oh, it's a while and over a year. That's why I don't get involved.

I don't have any time man. I know. I know. I end. Zero time. But these are all lessons. These are all things that I'm learning and that is how you have to look at it.

Yeah. And the whole thing with my same name with my daughter is like, now with this loss, it's, she doesn't give a shit. That's great. Like the next day, she's like, oh, I gotta go to school. Hey, can I go to this parking plate? Can I go do this in the? My daughter's care. Yeah, I have to live with it, but I'm in a rare opportunity to rebuild, to work myself up and show her that look. It's not the end of the world. You could still get back to this point. You could still do something. And so yeah, that was it was weird to me that you know people would speak on that and then negatively about that and Connor would say something about yeah, that's why I don't bring my family or I wouldn't bring my family. Well, he's just trying to fuck with you.

Yeah, but I feel like that's the thing is I I gave him an opportunity to fight me. He didn't take it.

Before that. Before I gave him an opportunity and didn't want to do it. I keep broke his leg. I didn't even when he broke his leg. I didn't kick him when I was down. That's a very tough injury. you know I almost felt for him I almost wanted to even send him a message and say hey man you you know he'll love you be back like I would do that's just kind of why I am this sport it's yeah it's fucking sport the end of the day you're still a human being if I saw you on the side of the road and you needed help or something was wrong if I could I would want to present try to help this is a few people I'd pass right by okay maybe I'm okay hey good luck face

It's a unique place. Definitely is it's like it's like a country different country that's all yeah cuz it's and South Florida's it's it's almost like it's a service industry Like anything you need serviced They service it for you in South Florida that it's that so a lot of people are opposing and and trying to pose it right there this and that but it's it's really not that

Everything is a sale. You know, whether it's, whether it's physical, mentally, emotional, financial, everything.

whole industry, you know, the nightlife and the business and everything.

What's going on there?

I still don't get it, but at the same time, I am not ignorant in recognizing that things are moving a certain way. I can't, like, the whole, the whole metaverse thing. It's ridiculous to me. The fact that they're selling real estate in a, and I'll make, this is a place that's not, and I'll make believe universe. They're selling people actually pain when they're this. is wild.

But if it's, okay, this is a thing. If it's a virtual real estate, like there's no end to the possibilities. So then how, how does it, how is it valuable?

It's weird the things that we as humans put value on. It's weird to me. I had an experience with my daughter with this. I actually bought her a pair of shoes one time for a birthday. And it was the, you know, the Balenciaga is like, like, people on like, they feel like socks. Some of the most comfortable shoes I've wore. I wouldn't me at that point. And yeah, I have enough money to buy him. I wouldn't buy those. They were like $1,100. Like the fucking way I'm going to buy those. And then the kids' size were like $700. No way in hell, I'm going to spend $700 for my kids. She's going to grow out of them in a month, a couple of months. So I'm like, no. But, you know, I only wanted to just buy something. I was like, bro, it was such a thoughtful and special gift. So I buy it and he buys it and I give it to her. And she loves it. And she's like, oh, man, he's a great. And I remember us when I gave it to her and I said that to her and I said, hey, Don't wear this to school because because I know she goes to school. She's just going to play recess that recess twice a day. She's going to wreck those quickly. And I'm like, don't you don't want to wear them in school because you don't want to mess them up. So I said that I'm going off of the experience that what my parents would tell me. And so I'm gone. I think I go out of town for something. I got to go do a show or something. And I come back the next week and I see the shoes. They were like, wrecked. I was like, It's a means you were your shoes to school and I instantly caught myself on my, I have to be careful higher approaches with her. I was like, hey, did you wear these school? And she's like, yeah, I was like, well, did you see how dirty they are? She's like, yeah, but we can just clean them. And you know, she kind of talks to me like that, like it's a little smart, smart sass. And now I'm like, I'm like, okay, yeah, we could clean them. So we clean them and she, you know, she's not at this point. I was just like a f**k of cares. She's just aware of many ways. So she's wearing them. Then the next week, she goes to gymnastics practice. And I didn't know how was I, I was somewhere. I think I was in Denver and training. And so she calls me. It's a face time to me. Some random number FaceTime is me and she was it was her at gymnastics. I don't think her waiting to be picked up or mom is waiting to pick her up. She was with one of our friends. She calls me as she goes. Hey Daddy, can you um and we'll talk on my Hey, what's up? What's going on? She's sitting next to another girl little girl and she goes on my friend forget her name my friend loves my shoes. Can you buy her a pair of shoes? And I remember in my head and I was just like in my head I'm like fuck what fuck? No, you know I'm like I didn't even buy those for you. You know much those cause you know in my head I'm thinking this but then I'm I had to snap into very quickly how to catch myself and I'm just like She doesn't know as she doesn't care what those shoes are. We put value on it. We as adults have put a value that those shoes are worth $700. She doesn't give a shit. She doesn't know as she doesn't care. All she cares about, the value that she cares is making her friend feel good for wanting to have the same shoes that she has. That's all she cares about. And in my head, I'm like, what's the fucking self what it does? I'm not buying those. I didn't even buy you those ones. I'm not doing that. But she's just like, can you buy these for my friends? She just wanted to make her friend feel good. And I had to catch myself. And me and Eddie Alvarez, we talked about how to conversation about this. And I was just like, wow, so crazy how, it's like kids got this chip figured out mentally. They don't care. There's no attachment to that. Seven hundred all pair shoes. They don't give a shit. All they care about is they experience and how their friend is going to feel when they give them this gift. And I remember I had caught myself as I holy shit. I can't, I have to approach certain things differently. Like this little girl's teaching me so much and in the hands of me so much, even with my relationships and now I deal with them now and deal with maybe a loss of relationship or gaining a new one, how you deal with them. I'm learning so much so fast. It's almost like, and I still feel like I felt when I was 12, but I'm fucking 35. Like, this is probably how, you know, I would see 60 year olds that are doing young things and you like, at your age, you're 60. You don't know. They just feel certain way. They still feel the same.

Fairly, fairly accurate assessment.

Joe, you're living. This is, I mean, I don't, I don't live your life, so I can't really, I can't really, you know, speak on it. if i i know how i feel when i'm home in my house i don't want to leave and yeah of course now people make it a lot harder for me to even want to be outside be around people but i don't want to leave i can stay in my house all day and just be there yeah but this set up like here i would never leave do you have a bed here You don't have a bed here?

Yeah, I would, I would probably build. That's probably one of the things that I built. I'd build a room here with a bad, comfortable bed and just I would never leave. You got your gym here. You got your recovery, your therapy, your sauna and cold tub and all that here. I would never leave.

Do you think it's better for you to go more than three to five minutes?

Yeah, I did it too. I think the most I did I did I think 18 minutes.

I, that's exactly how I felt. And I did, it was one, I would just build it up to it and camp. And I would, it was maybe the mass football camp. That's the mass ball too. I would go and cold plunge over with Rose and Pat. After we'd work out, we'd get in there. And I would start, I think we started that. Usually I'd do eight minutes and then I started 10, 10 is like my thing. 10 minutes, I get in there. And then I started, I just kept going. It was like 12 minutes. And then one day I was just, I got into that zone when I was talking about a lot earlier in camp. I got into it like maybe a week or two before I was done with camp. So I was just in there. And I was just like, no, and he was back came on. I was like, oh yeah, that's time. It's okay. All right.

I used to roast and pat we did that one. But now Justin has one that is like has the filter in the pumps and everything that's just it. That's what I did all this camp and I think I did maybe like eight ten minutes. That's a lot.

Yeah, like it's not that cold just in this was fucking cold

Yeah, I got it. The first one, first time I this time I went in and I go in hands too because I actually the first day I did my little brother kept telling me. I put your hands in there. Put your hands. That's the way to what you weren't doing the hands. I was, I wouldn't put, I would go, I would go like neck up, but I would put my hand.

I think it was maybe my brother telling me to put my hands in was kind of like, no, I'm not putting my hands in. I'm good, I'm good. And I needed it because this is the one I just said, the surgery clip prayer and I should have put it in that day. So I didn't. And it was, it was cold. I mean, because you know what hit you hit that wall about two, three minutes in. Yeah. And then it's Once I get through that, and I'm just in there, and I'm like, okay, I can do more, I can do more, I can do more. That's where I start pushing the limits of what I can do. And yeah, Trevor's, Trevor's been doing it now, like he just does it every day, him and his wife, they'll do it every day. And Justin is still, he has it in his house, but I think he's still questionable when they're doing it or not.

No, I don't think not yet. He's still chilling. He's still taking some time, but he's kind of like me. He'll come in the gym, he'll watch me train, and then he'll punch the bag. He'll hit the other bag. It's kind of fun when we come into our gym at Onix. We have all the little gadgets and different things that Trevor has and uses to train us. So it's like, it's hard to, for me, it's hard to walk by a speedbag and not punch it. It's very hard. I'm like, okay, let me just hit it once. Let me see if I got the little pattern. Next thing you know, I'm there five minutes. I'm just running the bag.

Of course, of course.

He, that's the thing with Trevor Trevor's such that his mind is always, he builds everything, builds everything, fixes everything. And now is the biggest thing is he wanted to, because you know, fighters, we always heard our hands, we always heard our hands and he was like, man, his mind's always going, how can I create something that's better to, for your hands? That could enhance it and enhance it. And so his gloves, even though the big is a 16 ounce of the X-Factor gloves are amazing. And the MMA, the MMA ones, I think eventually, like, you know, people are just slow. The world is slow like that sometimes. You know, when you when you tell people, hey, I have this thing that's going to help people are kind of like, well, see, but then when someone else adopts it and starts using it, it's like, oh, yeah, we Yeah, we gotta do that. We gotta do that. So I think it'll take a little bit time, but I just think forever.

No, Justin. Yeah, they built to where you don't have to wear.

I think the doc said about four months. But then after the four months, because I wanted to ride away, I wanted to start hitting the back, because I wanted to, I was going to try to push myself and fight it. International fight, fight weekend. I wanted to headline there. But yeah, doc was like, yeah, that's kind of close to close to comfort. Because I would start punching right away and, you know, God forbid you hate someone's skull. Right. And I don't want to split that back up in this dude, you know, what did they have to do to your hand? So, once I kept feeling panels, I held with some things wrong with my hand. You know, because it was like this tendon right here, when you push on this finger, it would just kind of give. And I was like, that's normal, because usually I pry myself from my grip when I grab, it's not going anywhere, but this I'm having an issue. But it wasn't necessarily a lot of pain when you hit right away. And so I would I kept saying it saying it so then maybe getting them on but I got the MR like this so they couldn't really see it So what happened was I had to cut this this tendon right here that that folds the hand figured up and down split into this way So when I have my hand straight it's hard to see it But when you go like that, it just opens up. So I have a soul in it and my hand and I can't touch it. It was his doctor in California that that was his specialty. Dr. Shen and this is what he does. And he's like, yeah, I've dealt with a few boxers and a few fighters and basketball players to where I know that injury. It's hard to see, but, you know, he had a thought of maybe that's what's going on. And then once he went in there, he's like, yep, he's got it. I come out of surgery and he's like, show me the pictures that he took on his iPhone. He's like, look, he's like, yep, just what I thought. And I just had a hole in my hand from that. So he had to go in and stitch it like this. together and so to heal like that. So now I have function, you know, with it. So it's still a little bit of scar tissue right there compared to this one.

I don't know if anything is a hundred percent. What's you get cut into? I don't know if that's that's not the way God made you or that's not the way that you are born. So I don't know if I would say a hundred percent, but definitely feels good.

Now, if I'm going into a fight and there's nothing wrong, I'm like, oh, did I prepare enough? Did I do enough in this camp? I think almost every fight, something has been really, really wrong to where I could have been like, yeah, I can't fight. And there's evidence. The doctors just say, yeah, I don't recommend you to fight. Something has definitely been wrong every fight. Every fight.

I don't know. You kind of have to pick your boys on that one. Like before mass football too, I didn't throw a punch with my right hand for three weeks until Friday night until Friday night. Yeah, until Friday night. I didn't throw my right hand until, no, not mass football before a Kobe. Kobe too. I didn't throw a punch for three weeks until Friday night. Um, mass football was My, I think in my leg. My knee, yes, something happened with my knee. I got kicked in the knee, boom, just went out. So I was like three, like two, three weeks leading up to the fight. I was just like, bro, I don't think I could fight. And for this last one, my hamstring. It's just pot three, four weeks before. And I didn't throw a right kick until fight night for this one. And did it limit my mobility, maybe. But who cares? I'm the biggest thing for me is I'm grateful that I've made it there. The biggest fight is that wake up to make the wait tonight for that. It's the biggest one.

Um, now that I'm getting older, I'm starting to get up there. So I'm like maybe like 95. I'll say in between 95 and 200.

Yeah, but I, um, I'm walking around and maybe six, seven percent of body fat. Yeah. And my fat is So I think like my threshold is like 185, 1845. That's what I'm like really down of all fats. Then the rest has to be muscle and water. Yeah.

Yeah, I've tried that. I think what I thought, what I didn't find actually. The most muscular I was was when tired would be fought there until in Dallas. I weighed in as an alternate for that fight because in my head I was going to be I was going to fight for this title whether during till made the weight or when the time will be made did what did until did make it or time will be did make it I was going to step in I was pretty stepping and I was that was most muscular and like that camp I prepared for two different styles two different guys and I was really muscular and I got 13 often two hours I think that was that was a video that will did that was out I did 13 more than two hours

It's just working. I used to run on the treadbills, but clearly that doesn't work anymore. So now I'll do a lip tickle and sauna, a lip tickle and sauna. Those two are a little bit of work. Back and forth.

I probably do an hour on the elliptical. And once I get done with that, I've got a pretty good sweat going. And now I can do the sauna and alternate do some time and sauna come out and go back in come out But it's almost like my body knows Hmm. It just knows what we're about to go through. Right. Without me telling it, it knows, hey, we're gonna cut today. We're gonna be do this. So it just naturally starts doing it. And one time, one time in that process, it just starts coming off and it comes off. And it shocks me every time because now I can pretty much know I know when to stop.

I've never given birth to a child, but I would say I want to say those are comparable pains because it's unexplainable because your body is dying. You know, it's actually dying because the organs require fluids and all of that and you've just taken all of that out. So it's just slowly dying and you're just there waiting to step on the scale. and and you people think all you may once every now you're good and all it takes to take some time for you to start to feel good again when you feel good again like how many hours I want to say like eight hours after it's when I start starting to feel like normal again eight hours after

Or is it rehydration? Oh, yeah. And I've done it every wrong way. So, but for me, the best way is like now or hydration. You know, knowing when I put in the sodium, the magnesium, and certain things that you know, step by step. And that's what, you know, big shout out to Clint and the guys at the P.I. You know, they have a whole protocol to process to getting those fluids back and you the electrolytes, you know, the carbohydrates and the certain things back in your body. That's going to hold that water. And, you know, it takes a process. It takes some time.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That A's in getting it off. And see, at this moment, it's got to hold you up because your body's just wrecked.

For me, by this point, by the time I get here, it's my body's just an autopilot. It knows what to do. I can stand there and it's just, you know, I'm not hungry.

Yeah, I'm just like, that's the battle. Yeah, this is the battle right here. And I just went through that, the fight to bonus.

I mean, that's everything is relative. It's all an individual choice.

I think it's the culture you know, it was the culture that for wrestling to get there. Yeah, so it's but yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind like I've you know, you compete against those guys, you know, and I you know, I wrestle with them and I train with them and I bigger guys to where it's not that big of a problem.

I know he's big.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Caesar was a good guy. He was a good guy. Yeah, he's big. Look like a great guy. He's tall and he just he caught a lot of weight to one point.

Yeah. Damn. At one point he got to 170. I was just like holy shit. How? Yeah. That's why he does it.

Oh, there are six of them.

He's another fighter that intelligently is one of the best.

I got you.

Look at this, look at the size difference. Look at how big the other guy works.

Oh, he's mighty mouse. He's he's one of the greatest, you know, even clipped to me is that when he what he did the rainbow.

That was such a ninja move.

Could you imagine me doing that?

Oh my god.

He had so many great that the finish was just as good as the celebration.

Because he's no longer with the company. I think, I think when he's, I think what he's done from over there, I think there, because you see, all those intellectual properties, they all of that. So I think when he's done over there, we can't give them shine over there anymore. I think they'll start to bring it out because he's,

Not now. He's fighting for a different organization. You know what? It's his politics, but I think that he's done after the freaking loot.

the one time the one time I bet against him was when he fought dots in the first time I think John because I had known John Dodson from season 14 on the ultimate fighter and John Dodson was like a little ninja he's a physical freak ball of energy he's got his power and his hand for guy that size and like this guy could probably touch DJ And then I just watched DJ, do what he does.

Oh yeah. And there are coaches like that. And I think, I mean, you see the Trevor and Ali's able to handle me. And we'll do different guys. Me, Justin and Rose. I mean, you know, doesn't an amazing job. Yeah. I still till this day. I think Rose is some of the things that she can do is amazing.

I mean, not her best, obviously.

I don't know. I mean, you never really know. But I think she's, for her now, I think she's in the place where she's made peace with it to where I'm just, I'm over it. You know, I'm over it. I don't want to think about it. I'm made peace with it. You know, so I don't know what she's thinking as far as a future, whether she wants to fight again or whether she doesn't want to fight again. You know, I would be sad if she doesn't fight again because... So she may not fight again, you think? I don't know. You never know what she's thinking. I mean, she's such a, she's so talented. I mean, she can do anything. Have you ever watched a play of piano? Yeah, I was just going to do that. Anything to be played a piano. She can go back to school and she's smart and she's intelligent. So she can do and she can do anything that she wants to do. She certainly can. I don't know. I would be bummed if she doesn't fight again.

It was just weird. I would love to see her get that run back. But I think they didn't know dirty announced that call is fighting. She's going to fight John with me, which is, I mean, that's that would be sad to watch. Let's say John with Legos and takes a title from Carla. That would be sad to watch her walking around with the title, and you know, Rose has bested her twice.

I didn't even, you didn't even see it. Even even, um, what's her name? Even Jean-Louis, didn't even, she thought it was going to be an inside kick.

It was tough because, you know, I like your honor too. And I do too. And you want to add her. And that's the thing, this sport changes so fast. So fast. We forget that you want to win on a run when she was just defending defended defended. What she had like what five title defenses or something like that, five or six. She was just defending the belt and she was the buggy, buggy man. You know, everyone was

So it was a tough one to watch, but you know, there's, you can just see how deep now the women, you know, you have Sean Whaley, you have Yohana, you have Rose. You know, if I have Jessica and Trage, you know, like, those weight class can deeper and deeper. And you have younger girls now that are coming out. You know, in Miranda matter, you have, what's that, Macy Barbara? You have a, you know, a couple of these girls that are getting better and better and there.

Did you see that you see those two little girls? They might have been, I think one was like 19 and the other one was maybe 20. One was Mexican one was Brazilian. They were both like Julian Yara, I think so. How long was this? It was literally like two, three weeks ago. They fought on the, of card in Vegas. What card was that it was that wild one and they had the African kid fight that Nate the train got that wild fight back to back fight it was the two girls that you said right

Yeah, apex center. Yeah. And, oh man, what fights? But that's what people want. Yeah. People want to see the blood. People want to see the back and forth. These guys, they come back and that guy's hurt. And they come back. But when you're just dominating, people don't want to watch that.

Okay, then look at that Israel fight. Why does Israel get flag?

Yeah, but people don't people are like, oh, no, that because they wanted to see tired hurt. Yeah, and him battle back and then one of my hurt and him battle back. That's it. It's it's it's it's it's it's people it's I feel like people are trying to still bring keep it a blood sport.

you don't open yourself up just because the other guy's not doing anything or trying to abroad because people are booing that's dumb Trevor Trevor touches on that and Trevor and I He said that to me with the first between the first time I fought mass with all right after the fight because I remember I was just so mad at myself because I felt that I could have done better I dominated the whole fight. You know, but I just like, no, that guy wasn't as good as I. I made it up to be in my head. No way. I want to fight him again and Trevor and I was upset with myself backstage and Trevor was just like, bro. You're the fucking champion. You have to be the smart one here because it took a lot of work for you to get here to the title and it takes a lot of work to be able to be a defendist title. You have to be the smart guy and I heard every word that he said, but the dark permit, the gangster in me was like, what the?

The gangster of me was like, no, I gotta go again. I need to do what I did. That second fight to mess with all. I gotta do that. That's what I want. That's what the people want. That's what has to happen. And I think this is partially why the first covenant fight was the most satisfying one to me. And to where? Because I actually, I like both guys. I do like Coventin and I do like a mess with all I, to where I'm, people be surprised.

I mean, as a person, I've never hung out with them as a person. So I wouldn't know how he is as a person. I'm not of her rumors. But, you know, because how he is, his energy is with other people might not be how his energy is towards my energy. You know, so until I experienced that it's hard for me to speak on it, but you know as an athlete as a competitor and what he brings to the table like I'm almost kind of like Loki a fan not really you know, but I admire what they're able to do for you to talk that machine and get your face broken to and still talk more shit after like that takes you know a different person

Yes. And nothing changed with this fighting style. He was always that dominant. Yeah. He was always doing that to guys. And it's just now he's got that stick behind him. And it works so more power to him.

For me, though, the difference is, I mean, he's a single guy, I don't know if he has kids around, but I do, and like for me to have my daughter now, she watches everything. She asks questions, like for me to have to explain to her.

Yeah, no, I like him too. And yeah, that's the one thing that I noticed is he was very keen to that early. Yes, career to where he is able to do that.

I mean, there's another tough, uh, what's in it? Sean Brady. Oh, Sean Brady's a bad motherfucker. Yeah, tough kid in the game. Excellent. You know, there's a, there's a lot of good guy. Jeff Neill. Oh, yeah. Jeff Neill's back. Jeff Neill's back.

That was hard to watch too, you know, because training put I like I love both guys, you know, I've actually trained with both guys, but Vicente I trained with for a long time Vicente is like a brother to me too, and it's watching that was just that one was really tough

Yeah, and he's calling for, he calls him an hour. Was it coveted or was it burns or someone? He called someone out. I don't know who it was. And I was like, yeah, that's not a bad fight.

I don't think so. Why don't I hear him? I know they were, he was, I haven't mastered all those going back and forth. That's right. That fight. And that isn't a great fight. I think that's not a great fight. Yeah, I don't know if that's for sure because I'm here and now like all this week, they were saying, oh, Master Doll is pushing the fight Leon Edwards for the title.

Yeah, I think that all that's what it was, is him and DC got into, they were going back and forth because I think DC, I think he called for the mass without fighting, saying, oh, he, well, I think they asked Leon, would you fight mass without a Leon's like, I mean, yeah, I have to opportunity. But, you know, I've been wanting to fight this guy for three years and he just ignored me and said that I was a nobody, but now out of the will work he wants to fight me. And then I think DC had commented and said, if I was Leon, I would just completely ignore it this guy because that's what he did to you. He ignored you when he could have fought you. You guys were both in a certain situation where you could fight each other, but now that you know you are the champion he wants another crack at the bell so he of course he wants to fight you now and so i think that's what mass with all this camp got upset with and they started going at dc and dc did the most savage shit i think to do and he posted a picture of his title stacked up

I mean, he bought, I think he had it. Well, like, seven world titles just all stacked up on the table and he posted a picture of it. I was like, yeah, I mean, what do you, you can't argue back with that? And he's got his whole of fame jacket.

That's for dogs. So close. Come in, 10. Yep. So close. Wonder boy.

When it was now the first one to get the new one. Oh, really? Yeah. The first, well, it's a way. I think Henry Sehudo was the first guy to get it. And I think I fought after Henry Sehudo.

Yeah, that's exactly exactly exactly how I thought.

Oh, yeah. 100%. And just the different elements that are in the belt. I think it's cool in there.

I'm wondering what, what are they gonna do when I get the belt back? Do they, do they give me a new belt?

Now they're all red. They are the movies. Right. Like, do I get an Opel?

I like to be too and I like being around and now I was stabbed because he thinks you know like he's it's same on the same Exp it's like mental how he thinks that how you approach his fights and I'm just like yeah, this guy's it's gonna be hard to deal with and then watching him fight Michael Johnson and just like oh man, that was a tough one to watch

Why? He's done. And I think the fact that we're continuing, if he's anything like me, the fact that people are continuing to ask him makes it easier for him not to come back.

He calls back. He makes it easy. It makes it easier for him to say no. First of all, I don't think he gets down on 55 ever again. Really? No way. He's so bad right now. He's a light heavyweight. No way in hell. He gets down on and he's a solid light heavyweight. Like, he's holding now light heavy weights and submit them. He's like, he's a bear, he's like a short, stocky bear right now. Yeah, there's no way he gets back down to 155.

I think he just let his body grow into it. You know, you hold it down for so many when you let go of his growth. I look at Anthony Johnson. He was making 170. And then he went up to heavy weight.

Yeah. He just let him, he saw it there too. You know, I think it's just you want you to let your body go.

Yeah. Something to health scare. And it's, it's, it has good days and bad days. What is this still there after we don't know, you know, maybe they're saying maybe from the years of maybe weight cuts and, you know, or the other different things and then, you know, I don't want to speculate on it because I, I didn't know the whole file of everything, but I know, you know, he has good days and then some days. He has some bad weeks. God, Mother of God. So it's so hard. And then in John's he was one of the purest athletes I've ever seen because he had the feet and of a lightweight and the power of a heavyweight and he carried it all the way through. So it's, you know, I pray for him and I hope he gets better.

And then he just happened.

That's the scary power. And I disbarred him a few times. video of me sparked Anthony a few times and Anthony is one of those guys that doesn't go soft he doesn't know how to go soft and his big ass would wear 14 hours gloves to a sparring and it was like and I remember we'd complain we'd tell Henry like why the why is he wearing 14 hours gloves he should be wearing 20s like there's no way he should be wearing 14s but he's like yeah I'm just going touch I'm just going touch with you

Yeah. I mean, he knocked out everybody was talking to him. He knocked out Gustavson.

In Sweden. Which, you know, we love to do that. We love to go into someone's country. Like England. Like England. Like England. Is that where you look forward to? I'm looking forward to it. It's almost like a new, it's a new challenge. It's almost like a new thing now for me to get excited about. Before it was you know, you got to make up things. All you fight in Salt Lake City against Leon Edwards. You've already fought. You beat. okay how to get excited for now this one's exciting this is a lot of state now now you're fighting for the belt now you're you're in their country which honestly I think I might have more fans in this country than he will I mean, and that's no knock. That's no knock on Lea. You know, I like Lea. I really do. Half of England is Africa. You know, and there's a lot of Nigerians in England. A lot of Nigerians. And he knows that. A lot of Nigerians, a lot of Jamaicans, but I think I will be well represented in England.

I don't know, but I would think so. I would think there's more West Africans than they are, which Jamaicans are West African. Yeah.

But I don't think, and I don't think he's being getting the love that he should have been getting. Well, up and see.

Even now, if like, when it fights canceled, you don't think he's getting the love now. He won the title and got to the airport. I think he's maybe, you know, I was told maybe 20 people there. Really? He should have parade.

Especially the way you are. Exactly. I would have thought that too. But it was like 20 people there. His family. Really? Yeah. I would have thought he had a part like you have a part where they have to shut down the airport. She'd be lean on Edwards Day. You just got the title from Kamara Usman. It should be lean on Edwards Day. Yeah. You know, so, you know, more, I mean, I hope he does get it. But, you know, to do something that he's that to do what he's done. What he just did. to come from where he's come from and stay in England. And I don't care how he did it. He did it. You know, I would, that's cool to him and what he stands for, you know, that victory because he's now he's intertwined with the inner city and helping kids and, you know, stay out of the gang life and things of that nature. So it's commendable. And I'm, I'm glad for him for what that, you know, being able to achieve that. But in my head, it's not like I feel like I'm a loser. No, I know I'm the best in the world. And when given that opportunity again, I will prove that. But I'm glad he's getting the things and doing what he's doing right now.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's no logical fight. One of my goal beat up coming to the end. Right. That's what all I'm in.

But even with that, I would give it to Coventin first. If we're going to be logical about the order of things. Right. I would give it to it. But if we just don't give it shit, we don't care. Then yeah, I don't make it.

I mean that's the title of legit because that makes sense legitimate for the title. Yeah, so yeah. That's the legitimate fight. Yeah.

Let's go to England. Let's go to England. Let's go to England. Let's go to England. Let's go to England. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

Didn't even when bisming was championed he though he lost it on the first defense wasn't it didn't he fight Dan Henderson over there?

World, yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah, you could tell. You gave it so good. That's the thing that Anderson, when he starts doing this bot, that is shot.

Yeah.

And reckless, too.

And this is shot to you.

Yeah.

That and then Machita did it.

Yeah, Marlin.

She the close up.

The funniest meme that I've seen was the the Rick James and remember the Dave Chappelle show. Yeah, when Charlie Murphy's story was talking about how he kicked Rick James Chess.

I died. I died laughing. It was hilarious.

The beams are on the control. The computer they're waiting and they're waiting and they're waiting and they're waiting.

Like you're really funny. They're good with everything.

And it's some guy. Some fat guys in front of his camera. I can't cheat on dust off but that's the thing is I would say that biggest the biggest thing that I've learned the way I've grown the Moses not being affected by that that's good as much yeah, you know not it's it's it's it's almost impossible say I'm not gonna be affected at all Yeah. But with that, the thing is to just avoid it.

Yeah.

It's like, you gotta let that's their job. Yeah. That's their job. Yeah. That is their job. Your job is to be great. And yes, their job is to be well. If you're doing your job, then that shit. They're just like, fuck, what did I have shit? What do I do? I just wait waiting for my moment. I'm waiting for you. You know, and that's all in their job.

Yeah, man. They were they they set up and not even same thing. I didn't really even read the one meme that. Well, it wasn't really a meme. Well, yeah, that it was a meme. It was the one that I I've saw and I actually liked this. Masoodah did this interview where he was like he was saying something to me. He was saying like All usmen just doesn't possess God didn't bless him with the machoness to be able to put someone asleep and He said that and and why he was saying that and they had like the split screen they had the the video me just sleeping them and That one I was like

We said that. And that was the thing with Trevor is such a massive amount of how we we sat him up and just delivered and when I did the same thing in the first round that I did in the second. The same set up, and how I got him there. But he was expecting something different in the scene. And he just didn't, it was just, I just sent the missile to his head and he didn't even see it. So he's on how I set him up.

You know, and I wanted to, I wanted to do that again. But Leon ever said, nope.

February March. Anyway, I don't care. I'll be ready. I was bored last week. I wanted to I was so bored. I wanted to train. I wanted to do something.

I'm doing it all. I'm going to get it shot up when we leave here.

Well, I don't want to leave your shit. You saw that you heard him.

Yeah, that's that's what that's yeah. I have gone to Columbia. Have you? Yeah, that was maybe four or five years ago.

No, for sure stem cells for sure. I'm going to do stem cells again. Definitely just try to prolong this as much as possible. You know, and I'm doing everything I can. You know, I'm trying to spend the time and money. on my recovery, you know, making sure that I'm healthy, I'm warmed up before and stretching after and getting some physical therapy, some body work done. So I'm doing it all. And of course, supplements, you know, as far as the, you know, tomb rate and the ginger and the different things that the natural herbs that you can put in your body to help reduce those inflammation. I'm doing it. You know, I used to say, oh, man, maybe I'll come more fights than I'm done. But, you know, with the new found hunger that Leon has sparked, it's like, what do this for? Let's do this a little bit more.

I would say, I don't know. This is, this was my roadmap. It was, what was the roadmap? My roadmap was beat Leon in the way that I wanted to. go to a five, beat your a prahaskar, defend with yarn, come back down, defend with humza. Jesus. And then If Connor wanted to or if Kinello at that point wanted to then do one and just sell off and just you know Why did you want to go all the way to light have it just because Israel's at 85? Yeah, Israel's at 85. I don't want to you know that I don't take any pleasure and fight in Israel

Yes, he's retired 100%. It's a big job. It's a big job, but I think I have this style and I have the the mental ability to be able to handle those guys. Well, not those guys. I don't want to say those guys not everybody there. Couple of those guys. a couple of those guys and they happen to be the guys that are at the top. So I think, yeah, I think I could deal with Yuri and I could deal with Yard. You know, not saying they're not great. They're scary. They're fucking big scary guys, which is kind of what makes it also tempting for me is because they are scary. It's like you get to a certain point where you're looking for new scary things to do to kind of keep you motivated.

I got a front really on back got to run that one better

I don't know. I think it's not an ADS. I don't know. I can't. It's not an ADS. Absolutely not. You can't. But it's just, it's kind of like a, it's a bizarre fight. It's a bizarre fight that doesn't really make sense.

I know. That's more. That's what it's all. You know what I would if I was day. I was okay. You want that fine. Francis you want it. All right. Let's do it. Wait. What do you wait? Yeah. He was wondering what.

It's bizarre, but that's hey, we'll see. It's a wild phone. And you can't count him out, but I mean, even after that, I still think, you know, it's hard to just say, Humbs up, you got to jump, get the burns. Right. You jump, mass football, you jump.

I think what's more interesting is as him versus Coventain. That's the ultimate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's your gate key. Comment in does everything. Yeah. Yeah. I'm for lack of a better word and note by no disrespect, you know. With all due respect, I mean, no disrespect. Convent it.

With respect, uh, I think, uh, yeah, like it's convincing.

Yeah, I think so. I agree.

But even that fight, he didn't really push the pace. He didn't push as he could do it more. With Woodley, think about Woodley and Robby Lawler, which I love Robby too, but look at the pace that he put on. Yeah. He threw over, I think he said the record for most punches thrown in that fight, like just kept throwing punches, kept taking them down.

It's like a genetic thing. Yeah, I mean, I'm disappointed. I think genetic, but I think a lot of it goes to the discipline. Because a lot of people now, they get gas, they don't necessarily know they can deal with it. In their mind, they feel like they can't, and they get tired, because they don't push themselves in a certain way. But I do think it's mental, how he's mentally embraced it and pushed and pushed and pushed himself. Because for me, that's what it is. I don't run. You know, I do all the different things. I roll and I buy it and I do what I can to try to get that same thing. But it's not the same as running. You know, but... Being running is the ultimate cardio. For me, I just love running. to where it's running in so, so good to where you, there's even a thing called runners high. And I felt that a few times, because I ran across country when I was in middle school, and that's why I really developed a run for a passion for running. When you run in and you just get in that zone and you're just going, it's Maybe you don't fight.

Yeah, screw in some of the new jails. Definitely getting new ones. If they don't weigh me down for sure, I'm definitely getting new ones.

He's me. I know, Clint, he's thinking about that.

Look, with the evolution of man, just the way that we're changing things and growing things. Yeah, of course.

Have you seen that printer that is printing anything?

Are you up now?

Thank you, Joe.

Leon, I'll see you soon. Bye.