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the Joe Rogan experience. I was going to watch the bisming fight, the bisming Kelvin Guestland fight live, and do like sort of a breakdown of it while it was happened, but the shit was going on, like two o'clock in the morning out here. It wasn't happening. I have been eating like a pig and drinking. I've been doing vacation type shit. I'm a strong believer in that you need to do vacation time. Like vacation time is important. You can't just be working all the time. Occasionally, you have to just fuck off. And so that's what I've been doing. I just been fucking off. So I was tired and I decided I am not gonna stay up late. and so I watched it in the morning. I watched it this morning and I've got a couple thoughts on it. First of all, Brennan Chob said this on his Instagram and I could not agree more. I don't think you should be allowed to fight three weeks after you have a brutal fight like Michael Bisping did with GSP. He got rocked. He got choked unconscious. And then three weeks later, he's fighting a really dangerous young and up and coming Kelvin Gastelam and Kelvin is a beast he's got nasty boxing and that is what he showed in that fight he hit him with a beautiful straight right jab and a right hand behind it and oh my goodness it was just that kid is just on fire he's he's just on another level right now I'm super super impressed with Kelvin Kelvin has got lightning fast hands and he's he's an interesting guy because He's what I would call a tweener and what that means is that I don't I mean I think Kelvin In In the best of times, if Kelvin has the best camp and the best performance, it's entirely possible that he could beat anybody at 185 pounds. But should he beat 185 pounds? Boy, I don't know, because Chris Wiedman is at 185 pounds and when Chris Wiedman got Kelvin to the ground, he really did look like you're talking about two completely different weight classes. and Chris Wyman was able to choke Kelvin out and obviously Wyman is a former champion and there is absolutely no shame in losing to Chris Wyman but it's just the way it looked when you were watching the fight to me it looked like two different way classes and there's a lot of people that think that really Kelvin should be fighting at 170 pounds if you got the proper diet And he was doing that for a while. At one point in time, he was, I know Dolce was working with him for a while. And he had his diet in line. And he looked fantastic. And then, you know, just things happened. And he didn't want to pay the Dolce money. And I don't know who he's working with right now as a nutritionist. But I just I think he's a phenomenal fighter. I just don't know if 185 pounds is the right way class form. It could be. I mean, it could be that maybe what he really needs to do is just lose some body fat, put on some muscle, and maybe 185 pounds will be his way class. It's just that constant debate of whether or not you should weaken your body and drop down to the minimum weight you can or whether or not you should fight at a natural weight and have a healthy body. It's a real good argument and I'm pausing right now because I'm pulling something up. There's a girl that just died in Australia. She died very recently. She was preparing for a moly tie fight and it's just It's just part of what this sport is about. Unfortunately, it really bothers the fucking shit out of me. I think it's the scariest thing. I think here it is. Teenager dies training. Here it is. The girl's name. She was 18 years old and her name was Jessica Lindsey and she died while she was cutting weight. She was an amateur kickbox in Australia. I cut weight a bunch of times when I was doing Taekwondo tournaments and it is brutal. It's terrible. I was bad at it too. I didn't do it correctly. worked out real hard the night before and more rubber suits and the whole deal and dehydrated myself and I didn't rehydrate myself well either. So I felt like shit the next day when I was fighting and a lot of wrestlers back in the day you see the same thing. My weight cut though was no one near as extreme as some of the MMA fighters do. Some of my MMA fighters I mean they're getting on death's door and I just I just think it's one of the most disturbing and most unfortunate aspects of MMA. This episode is brought to you by Robin Hood. You want financial security for you and your family? Well, you gotta make it happen. The world doesn't owe you a living and that's how I've always approached my finances and you can too with Robin Hood. 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Just go to zippercruiter.com slash rogan to try it for free. Again, that ZipperCruiter.com slash rogan. ZipperCruiter. The smartest way to hire Kevin Lee said before his last fight with Tony Ferguson that he felt like he was dying when he was cutting weight. And he made the way. I'll be even remember, I'm at off who's the, if not the best, one of the very best light weights in the world undefeated. had his body shut down last time he tried to make the way and couldn't make the Tony Ferguson fight. They pulled him out and took him to the hospital. I mean, I'm beating on a dead horse here because it's something that everybody knows. Everybody's aware that it's a terrible, terrible aspect of our sport. And in my mind, it's contrary to what martial arts are supposed to be about. So in that sense, I encourage Kelvin to stay at 185 pounds because Obviously, the guy's knocked out. Vitor, Belford at 185, he just knocked out a former champion Michael Bisping at 185 pounds. I mean, he could knock out anybody at 185. But a guy like Chris Wydeman, who's very smart about cutting weight, he cuts a lot of weight, but he does it the right way. Rehydrates the right way, and he's just a fucking beast. He's just so much bigger. and when he got Kelvin to the ground, it submitted him with a head and arm choke. Boy, it just really seems like that's the wrong way class for Kelvin. And then you see Kelvin next fight, fight, Bisming, and just fucking lights him up in the first round. Now, would he have been able to do that if he fought the Bisming that was training for George St. Pierre? I mean, if Bisming did not have the George St. Pierre fight, and just went right into the Kelvin gasoline fight, with the same result of happen. It could very well have. The way Calvin hits, he's fast as fuck, his hands are beautiful. He throws really crisp, straight punches. And in this sport, there's not a whole lot of guys who have crisper sharper hands at 185 pounds than Calvin. I mean, he just has beautiful head movement in boxing and when he moves in for the kill with those hands. Woo! I mean, you saw in the Vito Belfort fight. I mean, he just fucked me tore up with those straight punches and he throws them efficiently and they have slapped to them and just and on top of that he's a very good wrestler. I mean, a lot of people forget how good his wrestling skills are on top of all that. He's just a real threat at 185 pounds, fascinating thing because it's just such a wide open division. He just called out Robert Whitaker. who's the interim champion, of course, and call that Whittaker and wants Whittaker to fight him next. But of course, Robert Whittaker is waiting for the big payday. I would too, if I was him, to fight George St. Pierre. So it's a wide open division now that St. Pierre choked out Michael Bisping, and then Galvin just lights up Bisping. And of course, You've got to think that Wydeman is still in the mix. I mean, even though Wydeman lost to Yoel Romero, and then lost to Gagard Musasin, he's still in the mix. He was winning that Yoel Romero fight in my opinion until he got caught with that wicked flying knee. But that's the danger of fighting Yoel Romero. Yoel Romero could do that to anybody in the world. He's just such a fucking freak athlete. So really, really wide open division. I'm bummed as fuck that Gagard went over and decided to fight for Bellator, but I get it, you know, I mean, these guys got to go over other money and at Bellator, he easily could be a champion. I think he could be a champion in the UFC as well. And maybe we will see him in the UFC again. I mean, he could easily fight a year or two over in the UFC and then come back over. Gagard is still relatively young. But it's nice to have competition. I think competition is good for everybody. And I think it really elevates the sport. Elevates the level of sport. And you could see by the results that a lot of these UFC fighters are having, especially Lorenz Larkin, who is very good. He's a very, very good striker. He loses to Lima in a bid for the title, and then loses by knockout to the always dangerous Paul Daily. So I think Bellator and now especially in that 170 pound division you've got Roy McDonald Bellator is really showing they have absolute world championship caliber talent over there so to get back to that fight I agree entirely with to get back to the bisming and kelvin gasoline fight. I agree 100% with what Brendan Chob said that you really have to protect a fighter from themselves. You really can't be letting a guy fight three weeks after an absolutely brutal fight like that. It just does not make sense. It just does not make sense. I don't think it's smart. I mean, I understand that you have seen needed someone to fill in and short notice because Anderson Silva tested positive for performance enhancing drugs and they did not want to lose the Shanghai main event. So it turns into an even bigger fight when you've got the former middleweight champion right off of his loss three weeks later fighting again, but It's just not smart. I know bisming wanted to do it. I know bisming would probably do it again if you asked to do it. If you asked bisming to fight in a couple of weeks, probably do it again. And someone was talking about him fighting in England. I believe in March, which Boy, I mean, that's less crazy, but still crazy, right? Because we're basically into December. So you got December, January, February, three months off, really, and then March. But of course, during that time, he's going to be sparring and, you know, you know, best thing. He's a fucking animal. He's not going to train easy. He's not going to take much time off. And there's a lot of debate as to how much time a fighter should be forced to take off after they get knocked out. And here's the thing about that. You're seeing guys when they're fighting, and you're seeing them getting knocked out, and you're seeing them fighting, you know, X amount of months later. So you saw this being, you didn't get knocked out by George St. Pierre, but he's certainly got rocked with that left hook, and then he got choked out when he was on the ground out. Now, for people who don't know a lot about MMA, getting choked out, is not nearly as bad as getting knocked out. There's almost nothing to it. The way to look out it is, if you look at a garden hose and you know how you can bend the garden hose, cramp it down, and it stops the water from coming out. That's exactly what happens to your fucking brain when you get choked out. When you get choked out, it's basically cutting off the blood of your brain. You wake up and you're fine. You don't have memory issues, you don't have balance issues for the most part, especially if you've only been out for a couple of seconds. It happens all of the time in training. I've seen many, many guys could choke done conscious. I've choked people unconscious. They come back and they're fine. It's not that big of a deal. but you got to realize before he got choked on conscious he got hit with a big fucking left hand and hurt and it was a great fight before that both guys were we're giving and taking fighters need time off after fights so you're seeing that right you're seeing the actual competition between George Hampier and Michael Bisman. What were you not seeing is how many times he got hit during training? Did he get rocked ever? Did he get clipped and dropped? Did he get dropped and hurt and take a couple days off and then get back to training again? Only he knows only his camp knows and most of the times they're not talking. But you hear about it all the time. And matter of fact, I was talking to Forest Griffin once. and force was telling me that before he fought Anderson Silva, he was knocked unconscious twice in training. That's fucking crazy. I mean, here he is. About to fight the greatest pound for pound fire of all time next to I mean if there's there's the there's three guys in that debate right my my number one guy right now is mighty mouse I think just he he represents the highest skill level but does he represent the highest competition level in terms of like the guys he's faced I don't think so. I think number one competition level is John Jones. John Jones has choked out Lyota Machita, rampage Jackson. He's beat Rashad Evans. He beat Alexander Gustafsen. He beat Glover to Shara. He beat Vitor Belfer. He beat Daniel Kormier twice. I mean, fuck. He's beatin' everybody. I think you look at competition wise. John Jones is a very strong argument for the greatest of all time. But Anderson Silva's fucking right there too, man. Anderson Silva in his prime, I think when you look at the way he knocked out Vitor Belfer with that front kick to the face, when you look at the way he fought. Forest Griffin in that fight that we were just talking about and and KO'd him like a magician. The way he fought Steph and Bonner literally put his back up against the cage again. Steph and Bonner and Forest Griffin did just No disrespect, they're not at the same level as Leo de Machita, or Glover to Shara, or some of the guys that John Jones is faced. But it's the way Anderson beat them. I mean, Anderson was just in his pride. He was a fucking master, like a real master. So Forest Griffin fighting, Anderson Silva, after being KO twice in training camp, is just insane. But these are the things that fighters do when they have to do them. You're talking about a giant payday. You're talking about a big fight. You give the guy a chance. Like, do you want to fight? Do you think you could fight? Yeah, I could do it. I could do it. And they go out there and they're compromised and they get clipped and you see it immediately sometimes. Sometimes you see guys. They get clipped and you don't know why. I mean, they get hit with something and look at any time when a person is throwing a punch or a kick at you and it connects, it can put you out. But there's no doubt at all, no doubt about it that the resiliency of a fighter after they've been KO'd, is compromised. There's just no doubt about it. When you see a guy who's been KO'd and then you see them get hit, weeks, months later, they cannot take a shot the same way. Their brain is still recovering. Their body is still recovering from the concussion and you have to figure out a way to balance being a risk taker and seizing an opportunity, which is a huge opportunity. versus concentrating on having a long and healthy career. Now, that said, for Michael Bisping, he's kind of at the end of his career. I mean, he said essentially that he wants to fight one more time in England, which would be beautiful for him. And I hope they give him a good matchup, so to be a good fight for the fans. And I hope they give Michael some time off. Give the man some time to really relax, and then go through a real nice three, four month training camp, get an excellent shape, and give his best effort for one more go at it. I would like to see that. But it might be the hardest shit in the world to talk a fighter. into retiring, or to, for a fighter to figure out when to retire, I was just talking to Matt Brown. He came to see me in Denver, and I was telling him, I was like, dude, that fight that you have with Diego Sanchez, what a perfect way to go out. Beautiful, spectacular knockout, classic Matt Brown fight, just blood and guts. He's one of my all-time favorite fighters watch for sure, because he's so fucking ferocious. You knew when you were going to go to see a map brown fight. If Matt Brown was fighting anybody, when loser draw, that guy was going to have to face hell. Matt Brown would bring it in the ferocity and tensity that that guy would bring inside the octagon. He was just unrivaled. I think about Matt is he's not like unbelievably physically gifted guys. He's not like some Kevin Randallman character. There's been guys that are just physical freaks, Anthony Rumble Johnson. There's, you know, Brock Lesnar. There's guys that are just physically, they're just freakish. They can do things that are just incredibly unusual. And then there's guys. that their mind is just unbreakable. They're just a fucking warrior to the core down to the cells. That's Matt Brown. And Matt Brown can lose. He's lost before. But he just loses because his body gives out. It's never because his mind gives out. I mean, that guy is coming to fucking kill you every time he gets into that octagon. And I love that about him. I mean, it's one of my all time favorite fighters to watch for sure. And when I was telling him, uh, congratulations. I mean, it's an amazing way to cap off a career. It's like, I might not be the last one. So he still, you know, even after going through all those wars, you know, he's in his 30s now. I believe he's like 35. I think he is. Maybe 36. And you know, still wondering, I think he's 36. Still wondering, like, is this it? Do I go one more? Do I do one more? One more. Because the thrill, the you experience, I mean, obviously I've never fought inside the Octagon, so I'm just guessing. But the thrill of just fighting in general, it's such a much higher level of danger and excitement than most people experience in everyday life. and it's incredibly addictive and it makes regular life seem dull and gray in comparison. When those guys get into the octagon when a guy like Matt Brown smashes an elbow down on Diego Sanchez and Diego slumps and goes limp and the crowd goes insane and you know When just when Matt got into the Octagon, there's a crazy video of the fight while we're watching the fight. Matt steps into the Octagon, steps through the cage and fucking roars. I mean, roars, like you see it in his face, you see it in his eyes, he just opens his mouth and screams. That motherfucker was there to fight. That's what he loves to do. And it was finally there. It was finally happening. It gets through the training camp, steps into that octagon. It's go time. That is as exciting as life is going to be for him or for any combat sports athlete. And it is incredibly, incredibly hard to give that up. Once you've experienced that, man, I mean, you see it in these guys. It's so hard for them to know when to walk away. But I think it's incredibly critical to balance out the glory of combat sports, the glory of giving your all and going out on your shield sometimes and sometimes winning with vicious knockout or incredible submission. But knowing when the body has taken enough, knowing when your vehicle is damaged to the point where you should not be engaging in competition anymore. and it's different for everybody and it's so hard to figure out when. And some guys just know, some guys just know and they go, you know what? I'm good. It's it. I don't feel anymore. I'm gonna step away.

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He just had real hard time recovering from a concussion that he got in training and never fought again. took a regular job, he's done some training training fighters and stuff, but never decided to get back into the octagon again. Chris Holtzworth's another example, got a training injury, got hit in the head and training, a real bad, got a concussion, and decided to stop, and that was it. Very hard for these guys to figure out when. So, next Saturday, December 2nd. There's a big fight. It's a re-batch between Max Holloway and Jose Aldo. You also have Alster Overeem and Francis and Ghana on that card. Woo! Henry Sadudo and Sergio Pettis Eddie Alvarez and just engaging. Who just those four fights right there? Holy shit. Holy shit. I know I talked about Holloway versus Aldo before. What I like about this fight It's first of all, the first fight was very good until Aldo ran out of gas and Hallaway took over. Aldo's camp was saying that going into that fight, Aldo had a leg injury, which kind of makes sense because he really didn't throw many leg kicks, but he also didn't throw very many leg kicks against Frankie Edgar. I think the strategy for that fight though was that he was worried about the takedowns of Frankie Edgar. So he had decided to avoid being taken down one of the best ways to do it would be just to avoid kicking and just outbox him and he did that very well in that fight and want a pretty clear unanimous decision. This is gonna be a different fighter. I mean, Max Holloway is in his prime. He beat all though the first time around is an incredibly confident. He's gonna be able to beat all though the second time. All though though said that he had this leg injury and it prevented him from throwing leg kicks but that it's better now and that's one of the reasons why he's excited about fighting Holloway again. Now, if that is the case and if all though is in tremendous shape because he took this fight on relatively short notice, he did not get a full two three month training camp I think it was five weeks out maybe more sorry for wrong about that I'm not looking at it right in front of me but I know it wasn't a full camp because I know it was supposed to be Frankie Edgar Edgar got injured And so all those steps in. So we're going to find out. We're going to find out if Aldo can make the proper adjustments and whether or not the ability to throw leg kicks is going to make a difference because all those leg kicks classically in history have been some of the very best in the game. If you look at his fight with your riot favorites, one of the very best uses uses. Best use of leg kicks, maybe in the featherweight division ever. And just smashed your eye of Faber's leg to the point where, I mean, it's one of the all-time grossest injuries in MMA. Uri's left leg was twice the size of his right leg. And how did you have a bunch of crazy therapy to recover from him, including hyperbaric chamber. And, you know, he documented it. Uri's, he's such a cool dude. He's, I love that he did this. He documented a lot of the injury online to show everybody like, look, I've fucked up my leg as, and uh... That's all doing his best. Is although the same guy now. I mean, he's gone through 29 professional MMA fights at the highest level. He's been championed for a long time. And, you know, he's had some wars. The second fight with Chad Bendez was a war. Of course, he got stopped quick by Connor McGregor, the fight with Max Holloway was a war. I mean, he's been through some really tough fights. Does he still have that same level, you know? We really don't know. And we're going to find out, hopefully we're going to find out from an inch. I don't know what kind of camp he was involved in, like how hard he was training rather before he entered into camp for this championship fight. I'm hoping that he was in good shape, and that's one of the reasons why he was so eager to take the fight. And we're going to find out. We're going to find out Saturday night, and that's very interesting. But maybe even more interesting is Alistair Overeem in Francis and Ghana. because Alistair over him is one of the most experienced guys in the division. Of course, over him is the former Dream Heavyweight Champion, former Strike Force Heavyweight Champion, and former K1 Grand Prix Champion, one of the very best kickboxers to ever fight in MMA without a doubt. But you want to talk about a guy who has been in wars. Like, let's Google Alistair over him. overall record because it's got to be fucking crazy as far as the number of times he's been stopped I mean it's really fucking bananas let's go and look well first look at his MMA career will count this up and this is no disrespect to him I'm a huge house to over in fan and I'm not saying that he should retire anything crazy like that but let's just take a look at how many times He's been stopped just in MMA, okay? So he won two fights in a row, a fantastic victory over Mark Hunt, he killed him with knees, and won a split decision over Fabricio Verdume, or actually a majority decision, one of the referees, I guess, one of the judges called it a draw. I thought that was a very close decision, but I thought that Verdume was gonna get the nod quite honestly. Let's look at the times he's lost though. Steve Amy Oachit, when he fought for the title, knocked him out. Before that, Ben Rothwell knocked him out. Before that, Travis Brown knocked him out. Before that, Antonio Bigfoot Silva knocked him out. Brutal knocked out. So that's just within the last four years in the UFC, he suffered four brutal knockouts. Before that, Sergei Karatanov knocked him out, brutal knockout in 2007, 10 years ago. Maricio Shogun, who knocked him out, also in 2007. He lost to Ricardo Orona. He got stopped in that fight. He tapped to strikes. Hojirio Nogarra, stopped him, little nags, stopped him. his corner stopped it by it's a TKO that was in 2006 he got stopped by Fabrizio overdume but that was a camoron that was a submission Shogun who stopped him the first time in 2005, so Shogun knocked him out twice. He T.K.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A.L.A. caught him with some brutal punches and killed him. That was in 2003. Before that, Bobby Hoffman, a lot of people forgot about Bobby Hoffman, way back in rings, killed him in 2000. That's it for MMA. So, just MMA chaos, right? The first KO loss we have Bobby Hoffman, then we have Chocolate Dell, then we have Showgun, then we have Little Nog, then we have Arona, then we have Showgun again, then we have Caratonov. Okay, we already have Seven, that's Caratonov. Then we have Bigfoot Silver, 8 Travis Brown, 9 Ben Rothwell, 10 Steep Amy O'Chick, 11, 11, Stompage, losses in MMA. I mean, holy fucking shit. That's crazy. 11 knockout or stoppage loss.

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But what we do know is that Alster is extremely crafty and one of the things that I like about Alster these days is since he's gone over to Jackson and Winkle John in Albuquerque he has become much more elusive much slicker on his feet moves around a lot more and doesn't just try to smash people the uberim the guy that we saw fight Brock Lesnar when in his UFC debut that was like classic uberium just jack to the tits smash and people running through people he would meet force with greater force now what you're seeing is where you seen as the ouster over in the fort, junior dos Santos who fought an incredibly clever fight moved around well. He was very, very slick, very difficult to hit and then started scoring on junior and then eventually caught him with a beautiful left hook and cailed him. That to me is the interesting Andre Arlovsky is today, a guy who realizes that Perhaps he can't take a punch like he did when he was younger. He's been in a lot of really, really tough fights as we just went over. And realizes like, hey, now I have to be smart. Now I have to be clever. I have to move around a lot. I have to use my skills and his skills are substantial. In my opinion, he's the best. I mean, right up there with Mark Hunt, of course. who he just beat. The best heavyweight kickbox of everyone. It comes to credentials. He's the best heavyweight kickboxer ever in MMA. Really. No heavyweight kickboxer other than him and Hunt. Have everyone the K-1 Grand Prix and Hunt won it. He stepped into the finals as an alternate. He had lost early that night. Not to take any away from Hunt because of course, Mark Hunt is still just one of the all-time greats when it comes to kickboxing. But when Mark Hunt won, He won, we can go to that record right here. Mark Hunt won the K-1 ground pre. He won it, he lost that night. See, he's fought the K-1 ground pre a couple of times. He lost a semi-shilt. He got a TKOed by a spinning back kick. And he won, well, he's got Danny's fight a lot of fucking awesome kickboxing fights, too. So he lost to Raycepho in 2001 and the semi-finals. And then he won that night. He beat Steffo on Leco. So he lost to Raycepho. Raycepho apparently couldn't continue. And then he came back to win. From getting that right. Yeah. Looks like he beat Steffo on Leco. In the semi-final, it says semi-final says wins K1, Grand Prix, Championship 2001. Okay, he fought Francisco Filio, but that was in, I'm looking at a different date. That was in 2002, or 2001, he'd be feel it anyway. I'm Ramblin. Did you notice? Yeah. I'm talking too much. But so he's fighting Francis and Gano. And Francis and Gano, who is right now 10 in one of the UFC, 10 with zero draws, so 10 wins, and it's just been smashing everybody. And if you looked at his last fight against Andre Orlovsky, that was a fight where it was probably one of the first fights where we really got tested. We really got to see what happens when he fights a former champion and a former really world class fighter and it was a good test but now a bigger test is in front of them when he's going to fight Alistair over him. I mean we've seen him so far Four times inside the octagon. He stopped Curtis Blades by knockout. He stopped bullhorn. I don't know how to say this guy's name again. Me, hi. Oh, which. Me, hi. I don't remember how to go. Boy on me, hi, oh, which I do not remember how to say homeboy's name. then he stopped Anthony Hamilton by submission showing then he has submission skills as well and then of course just knocked out Andre Arlowski in his last fight. It's a very interesting fight because the question is is in Ghana ready for a guy who's got the skills of Alster over him, the skill, the experience at the highest level, the craftiness, is he going to set traps and is Francis and Donald going to be fall for those traps. The other question is, can all, can Alster over him take a shot from in Ghana? And Ghana has legitimate absolute one punch knockout power, extreme confidence, and he's fresh, and in his prime right now. actually entering his prime. I mean, arguably, he hasn't even reached his prime yet, because in Ghana was one of those guys that at 31 years of age is near his physical prime, but it's still learning. He's still getting better at the sport. And as he fights better and better competition, you're going to see more of his skills shine. You're going to see where the holes are in his game, and you're going to see how he responds to adversity. Hopefully, we're going to get a chance to see all those things in this fight. If Overeen wins, there's a very good argument for him being next in line to fight Steepa and Bioche. The real question about the heavyweight division, the real question other than, you know, who's next for Steepa? The real question is the health of Kane Velasquez. Kane Velasquez, in my opinion, is without a doubt one of the greatest heavyweight to ball time. He's just a force of nature when he's in shape when you when you see the King Velasquez that beat Ben Rothwell when you see the King Velasquez that just stormed the division when you see him in the second and third fight with junior dos Santos. That King Velasquez is a fucking monster. The question is after all of surgeries, back surgery, knee surgery, shoulder surgery, can he come back and be that guy again? As a fan, I most certainly hope we can, but we're really not going to know. Another fight on the card that's very interesting is Henry Sohudo and Sergio Pettis. Sergio Pettis is the younger brother of Shotan Pettis, Anthony Pettis, who is the former lightweight champion. And Henry Sohudo, of course, is a former Olympic gold medalist, the number two ranked flyweight in the world. And Henry is coming off of an absolutely spectacular KO of Wilson Hayes. I was blown away by him in that fight. And that fight he looked like some sort of a karate master. I mean, that was a very, very interesting fight. Before that he lost a better video as in better videos, of course, one of the most experienced one of the best guys in the division. and he lost a very, very close fight, a fight where I've talked to his coaches afterwards and they were really pissed off by the decision. They thought, so Hudo could have gotten the nod. He rebounded and he rebounded versus Wilson Hayes and looked like a completely different fighter. The thing that excites me about this fight is two things. One, the potential of Sergio Pettis. Sergio Pettis is a young kid. He's one of the youngest guys in the division. He's the extremely talented younger brother of another extremely talented fighter. So he's had martial arts in his life, you know, most of the time growing up. He's 24 years old now. He trains under the great Duke Rufus who in my opinion is one of the very best guys in the division. In terms of his ability to coach fighters, he's fucking fantastic. Not to the division, I mean, I should say in the sport. Duke Rufus is just an amazing striking coach. He's a former World Mointai champion himself, outstanding kickboxer, and extremely knowledgeable about both kickboxing and MMA. And one of the best guys in the world at training kickboxers for MMA. I mean, he's just fantastic. And what we've seen from young Sergio, we saw him get submitted by Alex Caseras early on in his career. And Alex's just slicker and caught him on the ground. And then we saw him lose again to Ryan Benoy. I think that these losses, especially for a young fighter, are absolutely critical. I think you find out what you really made of. And you see what you need to improve upon. And in finding tough guys early on, like Alex Caseras, like Ryan Benoy. I mean, And we're talking about two years ago, he fought Benoy, he was 21 years old then. So, or 22 years old, he's 24 now. So he's a really young kid, still learning, still growing on the job, and has looked fantastic in his last few fights. It looked really good against John Maraga, and looked even better against Brandon Marino in his last fight, which was a five round unanimous decision victory. So this, in my opinion, is going to be the toughest fight of his career. Because Henry Sehudo just has that Olympic gold medal winner mindset. The mindset of a guy like Sehudo. I mean, this guy is focused on being a champion 24 hours a day. And if you look at the way he fought against Wilson Haynes, I mean, if that's indicative of the kind of improvement that this guy can make, And Karyan Fitzgibbons, who is another fucking phenomenal, moly Thai coach, he told me that this kid is just a sponge and just can learn so fast at a ridiculous way. And I think You're looking at athletic prowess in Henry Sehudo, but I think maybe perhaps more important than that you're looking at his mind. His mind is just ultra sharp and focused and determined and he's just got that championship mindset. I mean, that's why he's an Olympic gold medalist in wrestling. So he's got it. Unparalleled wrestling skill in the division. And then on top of that, if you look at the Wilson Hayes fight, you look at radical improvements in his striking and movement. I mean, he looked like a combination of a prime, leodoma cheetah and conema gregar, versus with his movement against Wilson Hayes. I think a lot of guys are realizing that that karate style, if you have all those other bases covered, if you have great wrestling, if you have submissions, good take down defense and good boxing skills, as well as more time, everything else. That karate stance, that sideways stance that we see employed all the time by Wonderboy Thompson, that we see We see a bunch of different fighters. Of course, Leo de Machito. A bunch of different fighters use that stance inside the arch gone. Conor McGregor. It's a very difficult stance to deal with. If you're good at it, if you're good at that movement, that in and out side-to-side movement, Michael Venom Page has a very unusual take on that fighting in Bellator. He likes to fight like that, too. And of course, he's a former point fighting champion. That style is fucking hard to deal with. It's really hard for guys to judge and if you're dealing with a guy like Sohuda who's liking fast on top of that and starts moving like that with those world-class wrestling skills with excellent striking you know classic striking boxing kickboxing very difficult to deal with. I'm very interested to see what style he takes or how he approaches this fight with Sergio Pettis. He's quite a bit older than Sergio, being 30. That's a really interesting fight. I'm very curious. I just do not know how that one's going to play out. One fight that I don't know how to it's gonna play out But I'm fucking beyond pumped for it is any Alvarez and Justin Gagy Justin Gagy is a fucking savage And so is Eddie Alvarez Eddie Alvarez is a beast and I think a lot of people are looking past Alvarez, you know Alvarez had just come off of that brutal knockout loss, kind of a humiliating knockout loss to Connor McGregor. And then after that, he is involved in the no contest versus Dustin Poye. I believe that was an eye poke. That is I'm trying to remember how that fight went down, but I do not I feel like someone got poked in the eye Either way, it's a no contest so that obviously doesn't move him up the ladder any and He's got to regroup Yeah, no contest here it is Yeah Yeah, this was a, okay, now remember what it was. It wasn't an eye poke. It was a knee to a downed opponent. And it was a fucking phenomenal fight while it played out against Dustin Poirier. They were going back and forth, now remember the fight. And Poirier had Alvarez in some deep trouble and Alvarez rebounded and Alvarez I believe hit Dustin Poorier with a knee while he was down. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. And interesting. Yeah, see, this is what happened. Poorier, Alvarez, you know, Herb Dean was defending it saying that Alvarez didn't intentionally need for you. And if I remember the fight, as a crazy war, Alvarez had been rocked, Poyay had been rocked, Poyay was bloodied, and Alvarez hid him with an unintentional knee that could have resulted in a disqualification win for Poyay, and Poyay was saying that he looked at it as a win, which is interesting. So anyway, Poyay rebounded from that fight, obviously and stopped Anthony Pettis in his last fight so that the division is just crazy and unbelievably hot right now and everybody waiting to see what the fuck happens with Conner McGregor rebounding but Eddie Alvarez with the no contest and before that the kale lost a Conner McGregor desperately needs a win and he's coming in there against one of the most fucking savage guys in the division. Justin Gates showed in that Michael Johnson fight what he's made up and a lot of people were very excited to see him inside the octagon. He had been fighting in the world series of fighting and looking like an absolute monster but against what a lot of people thought was just not the same caliber of competition as the UFC offered. And so they wanted to see what would happen If he fought a real-world class fighter, and what we saw in the Michael Johnson fight is a just engaging who fights. I don't want to say reckless, but he puts himself in danger and it's one of the things that makes him so exciting. He forces his will on people. He's a ferocious striker and an excellent wrestler as well and just fucking puts it on fighters. He tests their will. He puts tremendous pressure on fighters and the fight with Michael Johnson was just a pleasure to watch just so much fun and so fucking crazy there was so much chaos in that fight and a lot of people were introduced to just engage you from that fight the hardcore fans had known him already from the world series of fighting and had heard about them through the internet but the the UFC fans and the people that were watching that night they really got a chance to be treated to just the kind of chaotic fight that is really going to bring like the casual fan when they see a guy like Justin Gagey fight it's really going to make you a fan of this kid just his style just There's very few guys. I mean, other than, I mean, Matt Brown, who I talked about before, but even Matt Brown is capable of winning so many different ways, whereas Gagey, he's gonna probably try to knock you out or get, I mean, he's even said himself that he might get knocked out. You're probably gonna see me get knocked out, he said. over the next few years he's got that mindset this kill or be killed mindset and it's just absolutely fascinating to see this kid compete inside the octagon because he's so fucking crazy because he's such a fucking animal inside the octagon he just got this undeniable killer instinct and indomitable spirit and it's just There's levels through this game. There's levels physically, and he's at a very high level physically, but there's also levels mentally. And that's what excites me about Justin Gagey. He's the mental level. He just has zero quit in him, and he's 100% ferocious. So him fighting a fucking animal like Eddie Alvarez. That's just a recipe for a good time. And we're going to get to see that. And we're going to get to see that next Saturday night live on paper view. Whoo! So how long we've been doing this here? Forty-nine minutes. Boy, I can fucking talk a lot, huh? So also in the undercard, here's another fight that's a big fight. This is Charles Oliver versus Paul Felder. Paul Felder continues to impress. I'll tell you what, Paul Felder is a fucking phenomenal commentary guy too. commentary guy. Color commentator. He did a fantastic job doing commentary for Dana White's Tuesday night fight show and the Tuesday night contenders show and he's done some UFC events now as well and just excellent. Great enthusiasm, very knowledgeable, great talker, smart, articulate guy. And he's fighting Charles Olivera Saturday night. Now, Charles Olivera is a guy who has had mixed success inside the Octagon. And his best, he's been incredible. And he shows a great range of very technical striking and very, very solid Brazilian fugitive. But he's had some tough losses. The kale lost a cubs once in. He burst onto the scene with an amazing victory. Um, way way back in the day. See, this is not even, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, He lost to Jim Miller. He got submitted. And then the Cubs wants and KO. He got beat up by Frankie Edgar in a very fun fight. Three round new analysts, you know, in a decision. Then Max Holloway put it on him and stopped him in the first round. Then Anthony Pettis submitted him. So, he's had some ups and downs. Recall to Lama's, K-O-D-M, or excuse me, record to Lama's finished in by submission in the second round. So, he beat Will Brooks by submission in the first round of his last fight and got back on track, looked excellent in that fight, and fought that fight. You know, it was like, it was a real door die fight for him against Will Brooks a guy who was coming over from Bellator a guy who was very talented and Olivera won up submitting him. There was a big victory for him. And in my opinion, this is one of the most dangerous fights. for him right now at this stage of his career, because Paul Felder is a fucking killer. He's an animal. He's very, very strong physically. He's a big 155 pounder, whereas Olivera is a smaller 155 pounder. I guess I was fought at 145 before, but just really had a hard time making that way. Felt is going to have a power and strength advantage, and Olivera is going to have to be crafty. In my opinion, his best way to win this fight is to get this fight to the ground. That's going to be a tall order, a very tall order. Felt is just a very aggressive, very durable and extremely aggressive guy at 155 pounds. Can I say aggressive one more time? I really loved his fight against, well, he's got had some amazing fights inside the Octagon, but what I liked, I liked his fight against Barbosa because the Barbosa fight showed him against one of the very best strikers in the division and he got outstruck, he lost that fight, but he was in it every second in the fight and he was trying to wind up until the very end. He's had some ups and downs inside the octagon, but he's one-two in a row, both by knockout, both in the first round. And the Barbosa fight in the Ross Pearson fight were two decision losses that he got split decision against Ross Pearson. He beat Danny Castillo in a spectacular spinning back fist knockout, Jason Sago before that. The Barbosa fight I think was just a good example of where this guy's heart is at. fought against one of the best and fastest strikers in the division and was in it to the end. It was a real learning experience for him. And that was also fight at the night. So I think Felder at this stage of his career is really coming into his own. I don't think he's in his prime yet. I think at 33 years of age, we're starting to see the very best of him. And he's got it incredibly bright future. But also, you got to realize that 33 years of age, you kind of got to get after it right now. I mean, this is the time for him. And for Olivera, Olivera's got a capitalize on that victory that he just had over Will Brooks. And, you know, he's a little bit younger at 28 and still got massive potential in an incredible amount of experience for a guy who's 28 years old. So this fucking card is just stacked. This card is stacked from top to bottom. I mean, you've got cowboy, aloe vera versus yancy maderoes is on that fight and David Tamer is on that fight. The fight card is well against dracar close. Now that's a fucking sleeper. That's the big sleeper fight there because David Tamer is a fucking vicious striker. I mean, real world class striker, and he's only 28 years old. And David Tamer really let everybody know what the fuck is up when he fought Landovonata. A lot of people had no idea who he was up until that fight, even though he had won two fights in a row by KO in the Octagon. When you got to see that kid, compete against a really talented striker like Land of Anata and just outstrike him every step of the way. You really got to see how good he is. And again, at 28 years of age, I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. I think he is. He has just got a massive amount of potential. And that's the fight that I think is the big sleeper fight on this car. The lot of people are just, you know, not quite aware of it. And the guys fighting Dr. Carr close Adeno with one draw and very fucking dangerous fighter as well. He's coming from two victories in a row in the UFC and this will be his probably his most dangerous fight against Tamar. Tamar is just a wild, fast, dynamic striker with legit world-class kid boxing boy tie skills. Very, very fun card. So that's going to be next Saturday night. Also, Tisha Torres is going to be fighting the karate-hidee, karate-hidee, karate-hidee, Michelle Watterson, That should be a fun fight as well. Tisha Torres, who's an outstanding striker, and Michelle Watterson, who employs a lot of that karate style, as well that we're talking about that sideways stance. She's got good kickboxing skills as well, good submission skills, and Tisha Torres is going to most likely try to keep this fight on the feet. This should be a lot of fun. I mean, Michelle lost her last fight to Rose Nama Eunice, But she'd be page vansant by submission before that in a very, very impressive fight. Angela McGonna should be her by submission before that. And Jessica Penae, she'd be her in Invicta by Decision. before that. She's got a lot of hype behind her. One because of she's got a unique style. She's fighting out of Jackson's in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and she's also a very beautiful young lady. Of course, people like that. That's a very interesting fight. The whole car, this is like a great car from top to bottom. It should be a lot of fun. But again, the sleeper fight, like I said, is David Tamer and your car close. Keep an eye on Tamer. That motherfucker is wild. Oliver versus Felder should be a lot of fun. Alvarez versus Gage do not go to the bathroom, do not get popcorn while that fight is going on. As long as it lasts, I fight will be chaos. I think Sohudo versus Pettis is going to be a very interesting test to see where Pettis is at this stage of his career and to see if Sohudo can continue to show these massive jumps and leaps of improvement that he showed in his last fight against Wilson Hayes. the Overem and Gano fight fucking aim and that could be chaos. I am interested to see whether or not Francis and Gano can catch Alster Overem or whether or not he finds himself against a guy who's far too crafty for him at this stage of his career. I mean, we really don't know. He fought Our last game is last fight, but with all due respect, I do not believe that our last game is in the same category as Overem. I think Overem represents another level of danger. And on top of that, Overem is a very good ground game that a lot of people are forgetting about. Overem won the Abu Dhabi European trials. He submitted Vitor Belfort. I mean, Overem has legitimate submission skills, submitted Mark Hunt. Overem can submit guys. He's got good wrestling skills as well. Got to remember, he took Stefan's truth to the ground with a beautiful take down that T.K. owed him when he got him to the ground. He may choose to try to take Francis and go on to the ground. We might see that. We don't know. It's a very interesting fight to see where Angano is at this stage of his career. And the biggest test of his career so far. And a fight that Overem was looking for, Overem believes that he has the skills to put Angano in his place and reestablish himself as the number one contender in the heavyweight division. That makes me very happy to see that fight. I'm very pumped. And then of course, for all the marbles in the Featherweight Division, Max Holloway versus Jose, Motherfucking Aldo for the title. You know, with a guy like Aldo, you gotta remember, you're talking about a guy who is the best ever at Featherweight for a long, fucking time. You're talking about a guy that up until that corner of my gregar fight had beaten everybody that they put in front of him. He rebounded fantastic from that fight with the Frankie Edgar fight and got beat down by Mac Holloway. I want to see where he's at right now. I want to see whether or not he can rebound. And I want to see after 29 professional MMA fights at the highest level, at 31 years of age, does he still have what it takes to fight at a World Championship level and can he come back better than ever? Now with Max Holloway, he's a fucking killer. Max Holloway has everything you want to see in a champ and a champ, the way he wanted to go down at 25 years of age, too. I mean, just keep getting better. He's not even near his prime. The way he wanted to go down to Brazil and beat Jose Aldo in Rio, and the way he said it, that he wanted to fight him in his country. And that's what kings do. They go to the other person's kingdom and take their throne. And that's what he did. Very exciting, fine. So I'm fucking pumped for next Saturday night. Now, to answer some of the criticisms and questions, a lot of people have been saying, hey man, you should probably do this with guests. I am absolutely going to do this with guests. The only reason why I didn't do this one with a guest is because of how high pitch I'm on vacation. And I felt like I owed everybody one, because I said, I was going to do one of these things every week. But the next one I do, I will bring in a guest. And I'm going to try to bring in more fighters. I think this is the best way I think to do fighter podcasts not just I mean I'm definitely going to do more like where I just sit down do a regular podcast with them for you know the JRE podcast but when it comes to just a straight MMA podcast I'm going to do quite a few of these bring guys in. Bring some guys in that are interesting that I don't think maybe some of you folks have never heard talked before. So that'll be cool. I'm also going to ask questions or have you guys ask questions. So what I'm going to do is for the next one, I'm going to put a post up on Instagram and allow you guys and gals and non-binary folks to put, how long do we have to say that for? Non-binary. How many of you are out there? They're non-binary. Is it really important to address you? Do you feel left out if I don't? Humans, I'm gonna allow all of you humans to ask questions and will pick some good ones and throw those out there as well in the podcast. So, that's it for now. Next week, I got some good guests this week. I've got some really fucking funny people. I have CT Fletcher, who's, I'm sure he's funny, but he's also a powerlifting legend. He's gonna be here. Um, Owen Smith, the guy that I've been telling you folks about, who's in my opinion, one of the funniest motherfuckers on the planet Earth and a guy of people are sleeping on. People just don't know how good Owen Smith is. He'll be here. Um, Brian, calm. I'll be here this week. I got a lot of good guesses week. So. That's it for now, friends. And thank you for tuning into episode two of the JREM-M-A show. And I'll talk to you guys soon. Okay.