Transcript for AI Antitrust Investigations, Nvidia Stock Split, and OpenAI Whistleblowers

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And I'm Scott Galloway.

Wayway, it's you were there. You came back to DC and then when you went back to California.

Why would it be wrong? Oh, it's so right, Kara. It's right as rain. Yeah, it's not for me.

Well, we call the machine learning back when it was her dorks.

40% of all venture capitalists, either graduated from Harvard and Stanford, and I bet 70% to 80% of all capital allocated. I would speculate. I know the 40% number. I'm speculating that 78% of gross dollar volume allocated by venture capitalists comes from graduates with Stanford and Harvard. So what do you know? A concierge healthcare system in Palo Alto gets funding, but anything around femme care does not get funding anyway.

So speaking of women, I have, let's bring them to me. Oh, no. I love that. Oh, no. So you know those memories that Apple does where they spin up a video from your last, I hate them. Oh, no, I'm playing them on my death, but they typically involve my children and it's like, water works for me, but I love them. I think they're amazing. I think that is probably the portion of AI that's affected me the most other than Netflix triggering out what movie I want to watch next. But anyways, I had this memory come up, and it was, well, let me back up. I was on Pierce Morgan last week, and he asked me, who would you want to be president? And he asked me if I was running for president. I said no. And then I said, I had this word salad of senators, Klobuchar, Bennett, or Governor News. I was totally unprepared to answer the question. And I started thinking about it after who would be the best president of anyone I've ever met, ever. who would be who do I wish could be president and I thought about it and literally that day this apple memory came up they got me so fucking angry and it was from eight years ago and the answer is the person I canvas for in 2016 Hillary Clinton would have been standing president I saw you put that up I didn't know you would have been I didn't do stuff like that that's amazing but go ahead Oh my god, a canvassing for Hillary Clinton and in what I'll call the great inland empire of Florida was not fun. We're talking pit bulls and angry white people. I know that's identity politics, but I was talking myself when my son gets older, I got to bring him on this so he can get used to rejection and get some thick skin. Cause when you're banging on a door and a lower middle income neighborhood to talk about Hillary and you know, in that that moment, I realized she was going to lose because I would knock on the door.

No, 2016. Okay. 2016 when she was running against Trump and and I would knock on the door of a black household and they'd open the door and they would say thank you really nice and I'm like are you voting for For Madame Secretary Clinton, they're like, yeah, I'm like, do you know where you're pulling booth is? And they'd say, no, I'm like, oh, fuck, she's gonna lose. They aren't, they aren't gonna turn out. They're just humoring me. They feel good about her, but they're not gonna, they're not gonna show up to the polling station. In this video came up, and you want to talk about how important elections are. If she had been elected president, We wouldn't have, in my opinion, the runaway deficit spending we have on a very boring, but important topic because she is actually fiscally more modern and has more discipline than the majority of vast majority of Democrats. She is outstanding if you've seen her talk about Ukraine and Israel. She's incredibly pragmatic, and you know what else? One in five women, and this is probably my opinion, and there's a lot of things to be outraged about, but in terms of what really impacts people on a ground level in America right now. Slowly but surely, or I would say, crisply but surely, one in five women who need to terminate a pregnancy now have to leave their fate. That's right. And that just would not have happened.

She was the most qualified person. I mean, let's be clear. She triggers people. She's not likable. Um, she was more likable today because he's the most competent, experienced, intelligent, thoughtful, pragmatic person to have ever run for president. It is, you know, let me tell you.

Count me among the group of war hawks who believed that if it was a president Clinton, the Putin would have thought twice before pouring over the border. But yeah, but the Secretary Clinton was absolutely not afraid to use American force. And there's a reason why we have decided to spend more money on our military than All other nations combined are the top 10 biggest vendors combined and I think it's because unfortunately there are some very angry mean people out there who if and when they can we'll take our Netflix and our espresso by force the moment they feel they can. I don't I absolutely do not think Putin would have come over the border in Ukraine had a secretary had had the president been president Clinton and anyways beyond all of this I'm going to reverse engineer I think I literally think if we look back in history around the biggest errors in our society, I think we'll look at our entry into South East Asia and the sixties of the escalation there, I think the entry into Iraq was a fucking disaster and I think a real pivotal moment that has set us back dramatically. was not was was was a man. I'm Secretary Clinton not being elected president. I think sure about that.

I had to be honest. See behind bars, make a very good film, percent of it. No, it's not wrong.

The way I express affection is with money, and I immediately sent Governor Hoco a contribution. I think that she's showing relationship here. I don't think anyone under the age of 16 should be on social media. What has done more damage to youth, pornography, alcohol? Like what's done more or social media? And these mendacious fox are claiming that they're worried about their first amendment rights. Anyone, I'm dealing with this right now.

Right, but not nearly as many people, 13 year olds were accessing cigarettes as they were our access to social media.

It's a parent who is dealing with this. You think, well, okay, just take the phone away and don't let your kid on snap or on Instagram, said no, no one who has kids. In less we collectively pass legislation, the band's phones and schools and age gates. I mean, really age gates, not this bullshit put in a date. We're going to continue. This is the thing we're going to regret most is what happened to our kids.

I just took a couple of things. I find a lot of Vens views disagreeable. I don't think it is the right word. He is an incredibly intelligent young man. He's also a very good business operator. I think anyone in high school who is on the debate team should absolutely tune in to Ventupiro to understand how he makes his arguments and how incredibly crisp and agile he is on his feet. I don't agree with Medihasan's views on certain issues, but I think young people who are interested in understanding critical thinking and arguing in debating should watch them because I think he's very intelligent and makes very forceful arguments. And the same is true of Ben. The thing about the algorithms is the following. Is it the algorithms? are there solely to create shareholder value and these in different amoral algorithms have figured out that rage and things that make you feel bad that you can't turn away from. Oh, you like Ben Shapiro, will you like Andrew Tate saying that women are property and you or you'll hate it so much so you won't be able to turn away from it. And it gets you to, oh, you're feeling bad about yourself. Well, tell you what, we're going to have this, we're going to have a, a video of a woman who is five, nine, 95 pounds talking about suicide because you're not going to be able to turn away from it. And before you know it, you're, you're, you're, you're normalizing. extremist radical self-harm ideas. These algorithms, and not like that, we blame the algorithms. It's the mendacious fox who know what the algorithms are doing that should be held accountable.

I'm a two minds on this. I think pornography, I think adults should be allowed to consume pornography. And I think as long as they understand caveat M.T. that there might be porn on the site and they're given the ability to opt out. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think adult content. There's even some data showing the pornography is not as harmful for teens. There's a lot of people believe. But anyways, what is the most frightening thing here? And let me back up, Tumblr was a porn site. In the moment they stopped pretending, people got so sick of them pretending it wasn't a porn site that they said, OK, and they were forced to take the porn down. And immediately went from a company that was acquired for 1.1 billion to a company that was eventually reacquired for $3 million. So porn works online. Some of the biggest sites in the world are porn companies. The top three global pornography sites each have more traffic than Amazon Netflix, TikTok, and an open AI. So I think pornography is something that I think that's fine as long as people know what they're in for. What is really problematic about Twitter as a relates to porn is that it's a slow incremental step to what Twitter is responsible. Twitter is responsible for 49%. of child sexual abuse content found across social media search engines and cloud services from 2017 to 2019. So if you believe this could be this free for all, it could be a dangerous step to and then in any layer in 230 protection. Twitter has a bigger problem here and that is, you know, this discontent, which is not only not only wrong, but it's dangerous and puts kids in harm's way. Half of it. I mean, Twitter has single-digit market share across social, but it has, it owns half of child sexual abuse content. That's not a good number for market share. So I'm sort of like, I'm a mixed mind here.

I do. I would urge, I've asked you to do it, and I'll ask everyone else to do it. And that is what I do. People send me links to stories on X. that I can click on. I haven't posted on X in a year and I right back, I'm sorry. I'm not on X. Can you please send me the article directly? Yeah. Yep, you do. And you, I've constantly paired the statement, the you made. They kind of brought it home for me. Why are we painting this guy's fence? She's absolutely right. Why am I getting more clicks and more knees on answer?

I don't know them well, but I like Shane Smith. I think he's a character. I think he's for lack of a better turn. I do think he's a bit of a visionary and a salesperson. And I think this was a story of convincing people that a company was something it wasn't. And it was just a media company addressing a valuable niche that should have never raised or received money at the valuation I did. And then I think probably some management miscuse and they couldn't, you know, the whole thing turned into a shit show, which is, I tell entrepreneurs sometimes, even if you can raise money, it's some crazy valuation. You do have an obligation to take it, but be thoughtful, there's no free launch when you raise money. I think at one point you raise money at like a $5 billion market capitalization. And then all of a sudden your investors are gonna realize they made a mistake and they're gonna get angry and it creates dysfunction and then you're employees and I'm not getting any money because my options were structural high. Anyways, but I didn't even know, I wasn't even sure vice was still around, but it's got a nice brand.

Oh, they did some outstanding shows.

They decided they wanted to get into thought leadership and they launched a show with me and a non-girded us and it was COVID. I had a full studio, a non-Head of Show, I had a show and basically they said do whatever you want and then they cut it up and edited it and sort of like to peel the youth, fast-cuts, tons of colors everywhere. It was some literally my garage by my tech head of technology, Drew Burrows, and my partner who runs property media, Catherine Dillon, everyone in masks or remotely. Usually there wasn't even anyone in the studio at me. And I screamed at my house with some friends. And we watched 21 minutes of it, and then I looked over. And my wife was crying. And I'm like, that's not a good sign. And she's like, what's this going to mean for us? Like, this is so bad. Wow, this is your wife. I love you. And I remember my youngest son looking at her like, oh my god, this is really bad. I mean, and all I could think of was like, oh fuck, I had signed up for six shows and I had five more. And all I could think of was, how do I get through this and then accident? And then after three weeks, the person who ran by his television comments that I have great news. They love to show. It's doing really well. And we want to sign you up for another 12 shows. And I'm like, there's no fucking way I'm doing another show. I'm going to see it through the six. I'm out. And they called me back, and this is, this is, I thought, provided some insight into television. They must have called me back six times, and they were genuinely flomixed. that I would leave TV. It is so clear that when people get on TV, they literally cling to it like an African dictator clings to power. Nobody ever wants to leave television once or on. I'm out. I hate the show. I look like an old man having an epileptic seizure. This is just not the vibe I want in media. Anyway, that's my by story.

The two biggest tax cuts that would lower prices for corporations and consumers globally would be, first and foremost, if China and the US kissed and made up. Their supply chain, their RIP consumer culture, their problems around youth unemployment, our problems around inflation. I mean, it's just a marriage made in heaven. We need to kiss and make up the She and Biden need to realize that the two largest economies when they come together creates peace and prosperity. So I hope that happens. The second biggest tax cut and it might be the biggest is if we triple the budget of the DOJ and the FTC and we fertilize the entire corporate world with a bunch of amazing companies. and how we would do that as the following is we look at home renovations, agriculture, chicken, beef, media, there are so many industries where three companies control between 50 and 80% of the industry. Everybody thinks the free market results in prosperity? No. The free market results in a series of companies that perform really well about standing leadership, get cheap capital, use that capital to create regulatory capture, and then get to a scale where they run away with it and small and medium sized companies end up dying a slow death. The fertilizer here would be to go in and take the 50 biggest companies dominating their industry and turn them into 300 great companies. Employers or employees would be able to charge higher rents for their labor. There'd be more tax revenue. This would be the biggest tax cut in history. And it needs to start or one of the places it should start is in big tech. And there has never been as far as I can tell a breakup where we look back and thought that was a bad idea. Now, as it relates, let me play the other side here, as it relates to Nvidia, I don't think Nvidia is where you start because what you want to be careful of is saying that because someone is so successful and so big, that's not a catalyst for breaking up a company. I mean, I would argue my old company, the company, the bottom line, gardener. I think antitrust officials should look at that company because it is hard for anyone to emerge and syndicated research because gardener shows up and acquires little companies, including mine, and such that no one has any choice. And when you have its corporations, I'll hate this company, but they all use it, and they have what I would call kind of unfair pricing. So being big and being worth $3 trillion doesn't necessarily mean you should be broken up.

or alphabet or matter.

So to your point, It's typically not the action itself. It creates better behavior, but scrutiny. Microsoft, the decision to break up Microsoft, which was overturned in an appeal court, was not what had an impact on the ecosystem. It was that Microsoft said, OK, we're going to stop bundling Internet Explorer. And as a result, or we're going to stop forcing Bing on people and Google emerged. My joke is without Without the DOJ or the FTC, we'd all be saying, I don't know, being it, right? So any trust, any trust action works, you know, it, again, it's the scrutiny. It works really well. And they have framed it incorrectly. Right now, the Republicans and the incumbents will frame it as you're holding back winners, being bad and being rich isn't bad.

He's a little old for her, but anyway.

That is not who's in power in the book.

So can I advise your friends first and then talk about a video? Yeah. When you wake up and you find yourself blessed with a large concentrated position because you're working in a video and all of a sudden you have three, five, ten, twenty million dollars worth of stock. There will be a lot of soft pressure to stay in the company and show that you're in it to win it. Apps are fucking loosely exercise those options sell as much as you can and start diversifying. Once you get Sometimes you have to be concentrated in the beginning and go all in on buying a house or starting a business but the moment you have the moment more than 80% of your network is in any one thing you need to start diversifying your friends don't want to get rich they already rich they don't want to get poor so they need to start diversifying and they may think in videos amazing just as people thought Cisco is amazing and let me draw the distinction because I've made the comparison and people including Josh Brown who I really respect called me or texted me and said you got one thing wrong. As Nvidia stock has gone up, exploded. Unlike Cisco, it's actual PE ratio has gone down because they're earnings have exploded even faster than the stock price. So there's a fair distinction. However, at $3 trillion. The moment the moment a company, the moment meta or more likely Microsoft announces a new AI GPU that's fairly good. The moment a big company says we're cutting back by 60 or 80% are spend on AI. all of these companies get recalibrated because the it has become insane town but you want to talk about in video in video is the most successful company in history as measured by value creation in such a short amount of time in may It added $750 billion in market cap. So in video added the value of any company in the world except for maybe the top seven or eight more valuable in one month. And here's the problem with the S&P and these indices. The S&P 500 is up. I think 13 or 14% year to date. You think, oh, the market's doing well.

Oh, young people should be happy. Well, guess what? Unless you were smart enough to figure out don't Nvidia, your returns have barely paced with inflation. So what we have is income inequality squared. And that is a small amount of companies, even the tech companies that it can't say were AI are losing market cap to Nvidia. But this thing, it is absolutely Mind blowing what this company has been able to pull off and what this company represents from a larger business strategy standpoint and what is so unique about this company is that the only way you can add get to a trillion dollars market cap now is to be an asset light and IP heavy company. Supposedly the thing that was always going to be the mode for AMD and Intel was this 10, 15, 20 billion dollar capex they had to make in these chip factories. And then Nvidia comes along and says, no, no, no, no. The secret sauce is in the IP. It's in the design and we will contract out the slack supply. of infrastructure and ship, ship plants, which we did just been unheard and now they're worth more than the entire industry. This is the go-to move, this is the change in the economy, asset-like companies that are totally focused on IP versus hard assets.

I love this game. In just the last five months, Nvidia has added the market cap of Amazon, or the GDP of Australia, or in the last five months, Nvidia has added the market cap of JPMorgan, Walmart, and Tesla combined. Combined. In an unrelated story, Um, I was out of fundraiser with Emily Roda-Cowski last night, two nights ago.

She was intimidated. So intimidated. You know who did come up and say hi? There was Natalie Portland. She is beautiful and she still looks 25.

She was a small thing and she just came up and, you know, was Emily really there? I wouldn't lie about something like that. Yeah, she was there.

You know what I was thinking about? When I was a younger man, I wouldn't have gone up and said hi. I, that's what I thought. I thought I'll go up and say hi. I'm sky-caught. I care as fishers co-host on pivot. But what I was thinking about, and I hate this about myself, I've gotten so used to people coming up to me. I no longer have the mojo, and I'm too arrogant to go up to other people. And I got to stop that.

I wait for people to come up to me.

And in related news, do you think AOC would sign my boob? That's good.

Also happens news.

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So first of, I think from this point forward, we should call it Microsoft AI. Let's just call it what it is. It's not OpenAI, it's Microsoft AI. And as it relates to this notion that OpenAI employees warned of open quote, reckless race for dominance, that's the type of people I invest in when I'm trying to make money. And I find it just sort of cute and stupid and ineffective for former employees after they've been paid or got their severance to now say they're worried and granted some current employees are saying this. But enough already. This is a Microsoft division. And it should come under FTC and DOJ scrutiny. And two, that safety team in those individuals need to figure out a way to get to Washington. And if they really are serious about non-profit and saving the world from AI, go to work for a regulatory firm or Senator Schumer's office or something. But all of this is a fucking soap opera and a misdirect. And that is DC needs to get their arms around the technology. Break up companies that become too powerful, like a Microsoft, like an alphabet, like an apple, like a meta. And we need people in Washington who have the power of the courts, the power of finding the power of regulation to regulate these companies. Instead of listening to people who invented Frankenstein and then get worried that Frankenstein's going to start throwing your friends' kids into the river. That's not helpful.

So I sit in, I sit in pictures from companies to VCs or small business competitions all the time. And if a CEO stood up and said, hi, we're showing so, and we're in a reckless race for dominance. I'd like that. They say it is if it's a bad thing. That's what for profit companies like this one are supposed to do. It's the whole move, you know, move fast and break things. You know, things have just, the people in this company were under the illusion that they were there to be a thing tank and think about controlling AI and being thoughtful about it. And then someone smelled hundreds of billions and said, just kidding. And we did call this the most ridiculous structure. If you read it, I printed it out. It was like we're a nonprofit, but the nonprofit only gets money after we've delivered a hundred billion in profits to our initial investors. And I'm like, let me get this. You have to make more profits than any firm in history, maybe with the exception of Saudi or Ramco before you're actually a quote unquote nonprofit. It was just such jazz hands gone crazy. And these people, like you said, it sucks to be a grown-up. My guess is they cash their checks. They got severance and exchange for signing those non disparagement agreements. It sucks to be a grown-up. Go to work for government. Help us out.

I think he's right. I mean, I'm torn here because the statistics are just overwhelming. When I was raising money in the 90s, it was only white dudes raising money. And I never stopped even think, well, why is it only white guys who look like me and went to elite colleges are raising money from venture capital? That's a problem. the stat you a third of a third of one percent of total venture capital going to black women okay that's that's a problem the issue is how do we come together to solve it and I was fascinated by this because I believe capital is free speech there's an issue here how do you advance the rights of people or advanced communities that have not entered a very lucrative sector I I totally get it my first reaction was a gag reflex And then I went, I looked at two of the most recent companies that the Fearless Fund gave grants to. One is called Slutty Vegan, Versauch Griname. And the other is Live Tinted. And I looked at the founders. And one of the founders was raised by immigrants and her father spent time in prison. And this is where I'm heading with this. I think any affirmative action and I think this is a formative affirmative action that is based on visible characteristics is a bad idea. Now having said that before my inbox gets filled up, I do think it is entirely appropriate and we should promote with the University of California did in 1997 and that is not have race based affirmative action and this is a formative affirmative action but have an adversity index. Now, the founder of Sletty Vegan and I want you to use their names because I want people contacting them. I think she faced tremendous adversity and I like the idea of pools of capital being allocated unfairly, fairly of bias towards people who have faced headwinds. I'd like to think that the majority of Republicans feel that way and I know all Democrats feel that way. The other person, the other woman who founded Live Tinted, was raised by, in Houston, she went to the University of Texas Austin, her parents are married. I don't want to say she hasn't faced issues, but actually black women, a greater percentage of black women, now attend college than white men. And what I would say is if we want to come together and figure out a way to move forward, that doesn't create these problems, I think we need to move to an adversity-based score or recognizing people's background because I think this creates a lot of hostility and resentment.

How can that are that change dramatically?

Just listening to you now you're you are changing my view and I want to I want to draw distinction and I want to use two different environments let's talk about college which has traditionally been the certification and the experience that is the widest on ramp into the middle and the upper class right. And in 1960 there were 12 black people at Princeton Harvard or Neil Combine. That was a problem. The academic achievement gap between blacks and whites was double what it was between rich and poor. It made sense to have affirmative action based on race. It made sense. I believe it no longer does. 51% of Harvard's freshman classes, non-white. What I think your argument is, we're not there yet in venture capital. We're not at the point. The numbers are still so skewed in favor of the patriarchy that we still do need race based affirmative action. So I think my go-to was around what I know best, which is higher ed, but I think the point you're making is that we're still not there yet, and we need race based affirmative action. The way you would probably get there, I think, is the only way to jump start this stuff is with when a black woman led business goes public and creates billions of dollars of shareholder value in people get over it. Now, until then, I think what you could do is have state or federal sponsored legislation that provides what I'll call credits for investing in. I mean, here's the problem though. When I was in Morgan Stanley, the syndicates would be picked for an IPO and there'd be minority. They demand the state of California would demand minority and women owned business investment banks in the syndicate. So we pick one or two, they did nothing. And the people around the firm went to Harvard and they happened to be, you know, women or people of color and was like, okay, all we're doing is reshuffling the elites here. This money isn't getting to, I want to acknowledge your point. I have this reflex, gag reflex or this reflex memory around what's happened in education. And I think your point is we still have a long way to go before we can get

That's all you get for. And I think that's what it is.

I want to acknowledge your point and agree with you that I don't know the answer.

Interesting question. But what she also did, she also give $20 million to the American Institute for Boys and Men. Yeah. And it strikes me it's going to be difficult to tell people what they can do or not do with Phil Anthrop. I don't know. Some of it's things that would happen. And it's a really fair point, but I think she, I think she inoculates herself by saying it's not a condition that she's going to focus on a community, but it's not a condition of her philanthropy. Because maybe it's how you talk about it. It's the language, I don't know, but I mean, the argument here, the logic is really sound that he's making. And that is, we need to move to a post-racial society. And at some point, we need to acknowledge that when you're advancing, I mean, here's where we are with universities. And this is why I think D.I. should be disassembled in universities. People of color have been disassembled. Scott, go. I know. And I think it should. And by the way, it's a huge apparatus with a lot of overpaid people that in my opinion hold on to their jobs and have absolutely no accountability to anybody. Anyways, and are protected because you're called names if you have a question there departments.

How big is the Harvard? How much money do you think Harvard's money is on? I can't do that, but I can't do that. What if they expanded their freshman seeds to let in more blackheads? Wouldn't that be more beyond?

Okay, but that was back in the middle ages. So. All right, sure. Anyways, what you're saying, and I agree with you, is we don't have that issue yet in venture capital. I do think we have that issue on campus. I think I did that podcast with those two very impressive women from Harvard, and they were talking about how wonderful the DIY department is. I'm like, take all of that money, expand your freshman class, and let in more trans kids. Let in more black kids. That's DEI, not reshuffling the elites.

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a lot of pressure, I'm gonna like this. Okay, so my prediction in one word is Chicago exclamation point. The Democratic Convention in Chicago, I think it's gonna make a lot of news. I think one of several things might happen. One, I think the GRU and the CCP both want to so incredible division in our society and have the ultimate propaganda tool, at least the CCP does with TikTok. I think Russia has become exceptionally good, especially the GRU at weaponizing troll farms in an amoral porous social media environment. I think there's going to be all kinds of misinformation and noise around the Chicago Convention. In addition, some of the protests we've seen, some of them have legitimate concerns, some of it is being funded in my opinion by outside entities. In addition, if President Biden, Biden, let me just say the quiet part out loud, gets a cold and for whatever reason can't be on stage one night, there's going to be all sorts of speculation. I just think we are setting ourselves up in Chicago in terms of scenario planning, scenario planning as you look at what a reasonable number of outcomes and what what prediction or what scenario likely fits across all of them. My prediction is the following. The Chicago Democratic Convention makes a lot of news.

That might.

That's not that's not the fear of Trump does something really stupid or rational. No, no, no, he cares. Heard him as much as the fear Cara is his Biden has a McConnell moment. And that's the fear.

There's a two or three percent chance. He comes out of the convention as the nominee. That's a good potentially go down here. So look,

What you're talking about is a distinct phenomenon and that is anxiety. A lot of us, but the first 40 years of my life, I didn't have enough anxiety. I was literally sleepwalking through life. I almost got kicked out of UCLA three times, didn't care, almost got fired for more than Stanley, didn't care. I just didn't, you know, took to the took to sunset Boulevard fucked up in high school didn't care and then from 40 to 50 I had the perfect amount of anxiety and now from 50 on I fucking worry about everything and anxiety anxiety is a survival mechanism because you are supposed to be worried that when you see the reads flowing in the wind it's not the wind it's a line that could eat you behind because occasionally it is a line and that we go through a watering hole you are supposed to be anxious because it might be one of those TikTok crocodiles about to jump out But here's the thing, anxiety is a form of survival because the shit you are most worried about. If you're worried about every computer and every elevator and every air traffic control system shutting down at midnight on January 1st, 2000, you start to prepare for it. And by preparing for it and being anxious about it, you reduce a likelihood it's going to happen. And this is a lesson. The things you're most anxious about are the things that are least likely to hurt or kill you. It's the shit you're not expecting.

You care.

I mean, so much for whatever.

You're so worried about everything. I think it's kids. I'm not.

Very talented.

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