Transcript for #370 — Gender Apartheid and the Future of Iran

Thank you so much for having us. I'm very excited. This is the first time that I see Yasmin in person. And I'm very excited to be with you, Sam.

I needed this hug, especially in this beautiful day.

So I've been given second life. So I'm celebrating my life every single day. But Sam, when you say that, when you call it a proxy war, I have to say that, when is that my Republic directly attacked Israel? So no longer it's a proxy war. Is that my Republic for years and years we've been warning the U.S. government and Europeans that this immigrant regime is a great sponsor of terrorism. And if you don't take strong actions against them, they're going to come after you. You know, I grew up in a very, very tiny village. And I remembered from my childhood that I was forced as a schoolgirl to shout death to Israel, death to America, as loud as the Tel Aviv would shake. You know, this is what we've been brainwashed in burning the flag of America, burning the flag of Israel. So this is the mindset of the Islamic Republic. This These are the main pillars of the Islamic Republic, you know, like death of America, death of Israel and women.

Exactly. I remember that when I was invited to go to school to give a talk, A lot of schoolgirls, like young teenagers, when they heard about Iran, they were really kind of scared. Do you really hate America? And I explained to them about how I as a little girl was forced to cover myself in chanting that for America. So I actually told them, you know, in the map, you might see one country Iran But there is actually two. One is Islamic Republic, the other one is Iran. So Islamic Republic took the whole nation hostage. Now you hear from all the teenagers, the schoolgirls chanting death to Islamic Republic. And they don't want to actually be isolated or hate Israel or America. But yeah, you'll write people sometimes get confused and conflicting Iran with his domestic public. No. So huge gap.

I don't think that I have to say this based on my opinion. The fact is the election. They say that, okay, maybe 25% showed up to the election. Recent election. But we see empty stations. We see that they don't actually have proper photos to show. So they use fake photos just from previous elections to actually show it off to the rest of the world that we still legitimate. But that actually telling the rest of the world that this regime is in a serious crisis. Even among their own supporters, those who backed the Islamic Republic, those who actually liked like my own parents. They were supporting the regime. Now they are the victim of the same regime. My own sister was on TV to denounce me publicly. My own brother was a target of the Islamic Republic. He was in jail for two years, just because of being my own brother. So my family members they see, this is the regime that they supported. There are many teachers, workers, you know, now they're working class. are not backing the Islamic Republic anymore. They're backing teenagers who are getting killed for the crime of simply showing their hair.

To be honest, I was only two years old. I don't remember anything. But as you said, when I look at the pictures of my own parents, my mom, my mom, she was covering her hair. Clearly, she was a Muslim woman, but in a beautiful, colorful, traditional way, but immediately, when Homanie took over the whole country, hair picture, even hair had job has changed. became absolutely black and then you just see my mom's nose. That's it. Yeah, my beautiful mom was like very oppressed in the way that Romani asked everyone to cover themselves. So, but I have to say, when I ask a lot of people that what was the reason that you took part to overthrow the Charles regime, Many, you know, that I was a reformist journalist as well. So many of the politicians, the reformists actually told me that for the lack of political freedom. So we actually demanded greater freedom. That's why we overthrew the regime. So what happened? Not honestly what happened. Now, not only we didn't gain any political freedom, we lost all the social freedom that we already had. You know, people are suffering from poverty. Still, people are suffering. I mean, people like, as I said, my own parents, they are still suffering. So I strongly believe that the Islamic revolution became a revolution against women against minority. That's why I always say to my father who supported the revolution that this is my time now. I'm going to launch my own revolution against your revolution. But coming from a tiny village traditional family, it was not easy. I had to start my own revolution from my family's kitchen.

He said that they were. Some of them still. And that breaks my heart. You know, nowadays, through social media, internet, you see that how the young generation is suffering. In you, remember yourself when I launched my campaign against compulsory job, who were the first group attacking me in the West? The left, yeah, but the Islamic Republic, like attacking me, I was under attack by the left outside Iran telling me that this is causing Islamophobia.

That's why I thought that's what they changed. That's why I was expecting them to change their mindset and at least listen to the young generation in Iran for the I don't want to care anyone here.

But first, first, they putting the lives of those who really living under authoritarian regimes like Islamic Republic in danger. I believe that, yes, they are going to be the next target of the same terrorist group like Hamas islamic republic, but I don't want to say that I don't care, but they are putting the lives of teenagers like Nika, like sorry not only 16-year-old girls in danger. I remember that When, you know, I launched my selfie freedom campaign, their argument was like, Massey, your causing is homophobia, you're feeding Trump's camp, you're feeding the fascist, the right way.

Oh, because the Yasmin is sitting here, I thought that everyone now knows what. My stealthy freedom. I want you to say, what is my stealthy freedom campaign? It's just what we know, how we know each other.

showing their face, not like, you know, those who call themselves activists and dissidents covering their face supporting Hamas. But my girls in Iran, my women in Iran, they were showing their face and saying no to compulsory, he job, which is a punishable crime. So after, you know, me sharing their videos, I got attacked by the Islamic Republic and the left outside telling me that this is causing Islamophobia. You know, they were saying that Hijab is part of the culture of Iran. And we should not ask the leaders of democratic countries, especially those who are ranking member's female politicians of the West to interfere in internal matter. Wow. Yeah.

I know her. I know her. I know her from a movie very honest with you. I want to admit that. I was very excited about women's march. I was very, very, very happy to be part of women's march. I remember I was shouting, my body, my choice. I put a head of scarf on a stick. I was waving that in the streets.

But I thought it's all about my body, my choice. So that's why I joined them. And I remember that, yes, me and Sam, I was calling my girls and women in Iran. I was like, can you believe this is the first time in my life? I mean, the street protesting, but I'm not getting arrested. Nobody, you know, throw acid on my face. I'm not getting shot in, you know, getting killed. I was very excited. Then I asked them to join me and the woman up here on. I asked Linda Sarsor. I asked Ilhan O'Mar. I wrote an article for Washington Post for different media inviting them to join white Wednesdays campaign to join my stuff like rhythm campaign. No, they some of them blocked me. Some of them bullied me. Some of them went after me to cancel me. Some of them called me the mouse piece of Trump and I was like, I don't really care who is empowering America. I do what I care. I don't want the cherished regime to be in power. Exactly.

And I was like, this is hypocrisy. I was with you saying my body, my choice. And recently, oh my god, now all of them saying that now we stand with the people of Iran. You know why? Because when we are the warriors. They don't care. But they want us to be victims and own our narrative and saying that, you know, Ilhan Omar was like, I'm a stand with the people who are said, no, you're not a standing with us. You're a standing in the wrong side of history by bullying Iranian women. So, and I was saying Islamophobic, and I was like, wow, you calling me Islamophobic, first of all, phobia is an irrational fear. My fear of Islamic ideology, my fear of Taliban, my fear of Islamic Republic is rational. And you should be stupid if you don't have any fear of being raped or getting killed if you say that I'm not Muslim anymore.

To be honest, I don't think that we can call those feminists if, I mean, when it comes to the women of Iran, they absolutely failed by actually empowering and emboldened, like empowering the oppressors to go after women. For instance, when I was actually doing interview with the high ranking members of the Revolutionary Guards in Iran and the clerics in Iran, and I was telling that Why you bitten up a woman in the street? Why moral typically is in the street harassing women for not covering their hair? They were telling me an old-year interview. You can listen to their voices saying that who are you? How dare you to challenge it? Is that make a... This is before you left.

And they were saying that they were saying that when the high representative of EU, wearing a job, respecting our culture, who are you? How dare you to remove your head job? And they were, actually, when I left in Iran, I do this interview again. They were referring to Catherine Ashton, to Federico McGrini. Because they go to my beautiful country, they wear a job and they call themselves feminist. And when I challenge them, they say that, you know what? This is a culture and we have to wear it out of respect to your culture. This is an insult to a nation when they call a barbaric laws part of our culture. And when they were in his job so they actually, they're on energy using them to oppress us.

Yeah. And there is a video actually there are I still get goosebumps when I talk about that video. There are 11 morality police officers, all of them. Women wearing black, bullying one girl, saying the same, using the same argument, telling her that cover yourself right now. And the girls said that, no, I don't want to cover my hair. They said, this is the law you have to respect the law. They say, she said that, I don't want to respect the barbaric law. It's slavery used to be legal. I'm not going to respect the law and they say that look, even the female politicians from the West, when they come to Iran, they're not Muslim, but they respect the law of the land. And I kept hearing this argument from a lot of Western feminists saying that this is the law of the land.

She was the only one. Let's be very, very clear. Here I'm not talking about a small piece of cloth. I'm not, you know, talking about a hedgehog. A hedgehog is the symbol. One of the most visible symbol of oppression. It's the tool. It's the main pillar of a religious dictatorship. It's the main pillar of gender apartheid regime. So when we talk about compulsory veiling, that doesn't mean that if we get rid of, like, you know, compulsory a job or moral to police, then we are okay. He's the tip of the iceberg. Yeah. It is. And that's why I want to actually use the opportunity to say that the teenagers in Iran, they're showing their middle fingers to the cameras. There are there to identify unveiled women. And they say the same word. No to compulsory hijab, no to Islamic Republic. So clearly, hijab became a tool in the hand of regime to control the whole society through women. So these molas, the clerics, they're writing their own ideology on our bodies. And we use our bodies now to tell them, go to hell, get away, you know, get lost.

I think all they care, it's their own political agenda. So they don't know that if they are a truth feminist or human rights lover, freedom lovers, then they have to put freedom, human dignity, feminism at first. They don't. For them political agenda is more important. Like for instance, when Jamal Khashoggi was killed, They were all allowed to condemn Saudi Arabia. There are many Jamal Khashoggi in Iran. Why they were hesitating? Because they care about their own ally. Right now, right now, I actually challenge some of the Democrats, you know, those who actually launched the campaign, bring our girls back about the girls of Buku Haram. So, and I said, that's where are you now? Why you're not campaigning for the girls of Afghanistan, who are being kicked out from schools? They are not even able to get an education. They're not even able to go and have their own job. They own their own life. So why are not campaigning for them? You know why I hear? Then we are going to be seeing as criticizing President Biden. So what? For me, that's why I keep repeating that honestly. I don't care whether Biden is in power, Trump is in power, Obama is in power. This is a democratic country. You have to be strong enough to challenge them and support your own sisters. In Afghanistan, in Iran, you don't want to do that because you care about your political agenda. It's really sad. It breaks my heart.

In a word, when I was the target of assassination plot, when the guy got arrested in front of my house by AK47, I was like, this is the moment that finally all the female Democrats, all the female politicians here, they will get united because I'm a woman. Then this is the first time Iranian regime hired someone. to kill a woman on the US.

Yeah, exactly. But what I'm being very honest with you, what breaks me, it's not the Islamic Republic sending killers here because you expect a transnational repression is in the DNA of the Islamic Republic terrorizing, killing, torturing, executing people, kidnapping people, it's in the DNA of the Islamic Republic. So you expect them. But what breaks me, what makes me frustrated? is the reaction of those who, I, I hope on them that they are going to support me because they're women.

And when it comes to writing, we are all together to condemn that. No, there is no question about this.

Why when it comes to women's march, I am with you. But when it comes to raping Jews to killing Iranian women, kicking women of Afghanistan, you are not with us. Why? Can someone answer this simple question and explainable? I'm telling you, none of the female congresswoman, none of them condemned the assassination plot of me as well. None of the democrats, none of the female

Yeah, they keep saying that when I asked them to be firm, to take a strong actions because lack of action, you know, emboldened the regime to go after not only their own citizens to go after, you know, people in the region, they say that we are not at war with the Islamic Republic. What do you expect us to do? And I was like, hey, but the Islamic Republic is at war with you. With you, with, you know, the United States of America. with your own allies, with, you know, its own women. So then you should act like a true leader, you have to take the leadership. Because America is it? I mean, it's or was, big enough hope for millions of us. I came here because I was like, this is the land of liberty, liberty, first amendment, and we can do a lot here. But on U.S. soil, now I see Salman Rishty was the target of the assassination plot because of the Islamic Republic, because of the fact that was issued by Ali Haminay. So the lack of actions actually giving sending signals to regime that, hey, you can do whatever you want. There is no punishment for you. There is no punishment for you. So for millions of Iranians, now it's like if they're very disappointed by the US government and I don't want to say that, but they say that we sacrifice our life, we get killed in the street, we face rape, but at the end of the day, this is the American government trying to save the Islamic Republic. And some of them actually makes jokes saying, I had to love Biden. Well, there was that $6 billion deal. And right after that, actually, people were like, you know, mocking, making jokes and but they are frustrated because they were like asking President Obama during 2009, calling him on his name, saying Obama, Obama, you either with us or with them. I'm not sure whether you know.

Look, I'm not asking the American government to intervene, but they are interfering in our own internal matter while the people of Iran managed to shake the regime. What does handing out billions of dollar do here? Saving them, protecting them, Iranian people in bloody November, they took to the street. They were about to be successful, to overthrow this barbaric regime. What happened? The government shot down the internet for three days and they killed 1500 innocent people. Only in three days. We didn't hear anything from the US government saying that, okay, now we're going to help the people of Iran by providing internet kicking out the dictators from US technology actually allowing the dictators to using social media. So the lack of action is something that involved in the Islamic Republic. No, I'm not asking the U.S. government to bring change for us, or to save Iranian people. It's a very, very clear strategy is missing here. The United States of America doesn't have one strategy, one clear Iran strategy on the table that shows to the people of Iran that if there are Republicans or Democrats, we don't care. We have one policy towards Islamic Republic. So that actually hurts the cause of bringing regime change in Iran. Otherwise, Iranian people are brave enough, powerful enough to bring democracy within the country. But this is 21st century. Unarmed people, armed less people, cannot do it on their own. In the national community, can provide supports, technology support. Look, Putin, China, Madora, harmony. They are providing weapons for each other. Technology surveillance. They're backing each other, helping each other, at the United Nations voting for each other. So providing sharing information, how to press any uprising taking place in each authoritarian countries. what we want, the same unity among democratic countries. What is missing here now United State of America cannot take the leadership to ask its own allies to put the revolutionary gars in the terrorist organization. So these are some common actions which is missing here and empowering the Islamic Republic to kill more people.

You know, sanction itself is not sufficient when they're not even applied to the oppressors. For instance, when a Rahim Raishi was here, In his delegation, there were members of revolutionary guards coming to the United States of America while they were designated as a terrorist organization. So what kind of impact this kind of sanction can do? And I remember that I myself reached out to Jake Sullivan, the national secretary advisor of President Biden, and I informed him about this. And I had a meeting with Prime Minister Ruta in Netherlands, and I informed him that there are 52 companies in Netherlands. They know how to bypass sanctions in trading with the members of Revolutionary Guards. I won't present Macron in France that sanction is not sufficient when the Revolutionary Guards, the high ranking member of this terrorist organization are really good at using Putin, Maduro, China to evade sanction, to bypass sanctions. That's not enough. What is missing here as I keep saying that dictators are more united than democratic countries. We don't see that, for instance, right now, the U.S. citizen is in prison in Iran. British citizen, Swedish citizen, German citizen, French citizens, they are in Iran being used like bargaining chip. Guess what? all these democratic countries having parallel negotiations with the terrorists, with the hostage takers, trying to find out how they can handle money to get their international citizens free. This is not the way that hostage takers understand that they only understand one language. Language of pressure, you should get united all of you to the democratic countries. Down play, you're down great, you're diplomatic relation with the hostage takers. This is how you can end hostage taking diplomacy.

Exactly. And guess what? President Biden, when he was young, he was pro banning South Africa because of apartheid. You tell me, if a regime killed women for showing their hair is not a gender apartheid. If a regime that actually kicked out half of the population from a stadium, is not gender apartheid. Then how do you call it? A regime that do not even allow me to write a bicycle to dance, to sing, singing soloists forbidden for Iranian women. We cannot get a passport without getting permission from our own husband. We cannot travel abroad without getting permission from our male relative. This is like handmade stale.

That's a thing that we're initiating. Right now, it brought him right. was killed in a helicopter crash. Iranians are dancing. Iranians are showing their happiness. The family members of those who got killed by the order of a broken race, making videos of themselves dancing. And guess what happened? United Nations Security Council having one minute of silence. The leaders of Europeans, like with Soleimani, think exactly, calling the pasem Soleimani national hero. Oh my god, I never forget that day hearing some of my own heroes and different media calling pasem Soleimani national hero of Iranian people. And I was like, he's a terrorist. He's a terrorist not killed Iranian people. He killed Syrian children. Before ISIS, you know, even exist, he went to Syria to attack the, you know, those who were trying to overthrow Ashara Thatsar regime. He killed the, you know, children in Iraq. So for that, I don't want to say that the Western government actually co-laborating with the terrorist regime, but how do you call it? How do you call it when now, Rahim Raeese, the killers, the butcher of Tehran, receiving sympathy from the leaders of democratic countries? How do you call it?

Yes. We had the history. I mean, they can look at our history. It's totally different. You know, this is the narrative of the lobbyist of the Islamic Republic. I remember that when I was some sort of money got killed, there were many analysts were showing up on CNN, different media saying that We should not helping those who are asking for regime change. Hassan Soleimani, Javad Zarif, these are like the reformists and heroes of the Iranian people because they don't want to be other Syria. They don't want to be other Iraq. And that's the narrative of the Islamic lobbyists outside Iran. But guess what? This is the Islamic Republic turning Iran to another city. This is the murderous regime of, you know, my beloved homeland, turning the whole country like a chaos would be like a prison break.

The whole nations are hostage in the hand of a regime which telling the women in 21st century that your second class doesn't telling them that we rape you or you deserve to be raped. If you simply showing your hair, I keep saying that because I don't know whether your audience really get that.

Today is my happy day because, but I see, is dead, but sometimes I really cry and I get frustrated. But I see that they shake their hands, but they don't want to be seen with me, with people like me. Like I was in Germany meeting with the policy makers, with ministers and members of parliament, then I was very excited to meet with the Foreign Minister, she's a feminist. And her team was like, okay, but in private, because now we're trying to negotiate with the stomach of public, it might change the mindset of the stomach of public. Not only that, I'm not sure whether this is the right place to say or not. You know, Kristen, I will put my hero. When I was in Iran, she was my hero. When my sister was brought on TV to denounce me publicly, it happened that I was with her in a party. Persian, a no-ruz party. When I saw her, I screamed out of joy, and I opened my arms to hug her. And I was very excited. I said, oh my God, you're my hero up. I'm seeing you here. And I started to explain to her what happened to me, my sister, my family. And I said, can I have a picture with you? And she said to me, in front of a lot of Iranians, that, let's get a picture, but can you not publish the picture because I'm going to have an interview with the Brian Racy, so you are a little bit controversial, so she, but you know, she's seen with him, she'll sit with him and she'll work a job with him too. I smiled. I smiled among Iranians. There were a lot of Iranians. And, of course, yeah, I totally understand, but I lied because it broke my heart. That because of getting an interview with the Braim Raycee, you're a powerful woman. So I took the picture, but I never published that. I won one day to see her and I won her to say that. You can publish the photo. I was wrong. I want a lot of journalists and feminist like her to understand that the killers of my country they understand only one language, language of power, pressure, and stand in solidarity with your sister. Don't call me radical. I'm not radical. Radical or those who are lashing women. Radical or those who rape women. I'm just saying that my dream is to walk shoulder to shoulder with my mother in my beautiful country. I just want to have the same freedom that you take it for granted here in America. So is that too much to ask?

I leave it to you sometimes, I said to this question, but to be honest, Iranians, Iranians, especially young generation, they are very progressive now. And I have to say that in my country now, the majority of the young generation, they are against not only Islamic Republic, they are against Islam. because of, you know, the oppression that they have been facing for years and years.

Yeah. Although it was a crime. It was a crime to celebrate like, you know, the birthday of, yeah, to going to It's funny that sometimes I hear in the West saying that, you know, like, he job or Islam is your culture. I was like, are you educating me about my own culture? Why I'm seeing that Iranian people facing punishment by celebrating the Persian culture rather than, you know, the Islamic culture or culture became normalized. Yeah, it is a crime. Still is a crime in Iran. You will face punishment for celebrating our own culture. So, but, yeah, I mean, I leave it to an Arab woman to actually to say that because it's beautiful when I see someone at the end of the day, recognize this because a lot of Western people here, when I see them, they don't recognize that they're cattle, you know, put it on all the different.

I believe that these Islamic Republic and Islamic culture is the minority in Iran. But yeah, as I said, that they have the power, money, everything to change the narrative in the West, to downplay the young generation, to downplay the Iranian culture. But I'm sure, I'm sure, you know, we will change this.

When I came to America, I mean to be honest, First allies that I found were the Persian Jews. Why? Because they have suffered from the beginning when the Islamic Republic took the whole nation hostage. They were the first minority group who have been facing executions. And when you talk to them, they really know the pain and the struggle. And I'm so happy that I had them on my side. And that's why maybe when the Islamic Republic and Hamas, they had the coordinated attack against the civilians. From the beginning when I heard, I was like, this is the time now we, the people of Iran should stand on their side to support them to be their voices. And to be honest, among all the countries in the region, Iran was the only country that you didn't see even a moment of hesitation among Iranians to stand with their sisters. to condemn the attack, to condemn Hamas, to condemn the brutality of, forget the wrongs right, even in the West. Oh, yes, yes, even in the West. And I remember that when I made a statement about how women in the West didn't condemn it, Iranians didn't know that. My people in Iran were telling me that who you're criticizing really like women didn't condemn the rape. So because we always say that can be real. How can you think that? When it comes to rape even even in the Jewish.

Can someone tell me why? Because I really don't know. I really don't know. It's like watching through the videos. that they clearly wanted to show the rest of the world that this is who we are. We rape women, we grab their naked bodies everywhere, we film them, we show them that we can do whatever we want, and then the West keep quiet.

And let's not forget Jews were always supporting their sisters in America, in Iran, everywhere. And then I actually think that, yeah, you're right. This was a total betrayal to our sisters who face rape, but at the same time seeing no reactions from one-known human rights organizations, one-known activist, actress in Hollywood. But that actually empowered this lemongrass public to say that, okay? Now we don't need proxy war. We can go directly after Israel. That's beyond sight because this is going to actually put democracy in danger. This is going to actually put the mindset of the youth in the West in danger.

And that's beyond sad, because recently when I heard that how even Islamabad bin Laden became a hero. Yeah, through TikTok. I mean, the young generation suddenly found the letter from Islamabad bin Laden to America, and I was like, this is dangerous because very soon they can actually find the letter from Alichamani to America and then Alichamani is going to be another hero of the the youth in America. Why? Because of the division here. When we order both of your thoughts on the public and on Democrats, they put in the mindset of the youth in danger.

I think some is calling us, but we are really enjoying that conversation.

I mean, you mentioned about the UK and the Islamist extremist there, but I was actually recently in Canada. So I think just me knows the pain. There are more than 700 members of revolutionary guards there. So they are not like, you know, illegal immigrant. They've been welcomed without any background check by the Canadian government. And that's a disaster that the high-ranking member of IRGC, receiving visa by Canadians, and now leaving their luxury lives there. The relative of the Ayatollas, the relative of the killers, some of the Bosch Uchimsh interrogators were seen in Canada. So you see an in America the same story. So I actually talked about this. I provided a list. I gave it to two administrations saying that these are the former officials of the Islamic Republic. Now actually teaching in different universities here. At the United States of America, the former ambassador of the United Nations for Islamic Republic, who was covering up the massacre, the executions, now teaching peace and security in university here, Mahallati, and another one is Musavian, who was part of the team of the Islamic Republic for negotiation, nuclear negotiation. He was the one covering up all the massacres and killings. He is praising Hamas. He is supporting Hamas. Now, he's here.

Or, politically, no, the US government, the UK government, Canadian government, trying to be politically correct, trying to bring more people from this in the name of diversity and being politically correct, they're welcoming terrorists. They are actually giving platform to terrorists to brainwashed the youth here in America. Musavian, I really want to talk about him. Musavian is a terrorist.

Yeah, he's actually teaching at Harvard University and now there is a group of Iranians demanding the U.S. government to kick him out from university, Princeton University. Full of Islamic Republic agency. And that's beyond that because these are the people who worked 40 Islamic Republic government, and here promoting the Islamic ideology. But the family member, let's list very, very saddest stories here. You know Nadar Osultan, the one known symbol of Iranian protesters during 2009 Green Movement, who got killed in front of the eyes of the free world. Because the video of her getting killed went viral. Obama, President Obama, talked about Her, Nidara Sultan's family applied for visa twice. Canadian refused to give them visa, but they gave visa to the chief of the police of Tehran. And he was seen in a gym in Canada, standing next to an unveiled woman. So as I said to you, the killers of Iranian people 700 of them received visa. Here we are. Let's not go far in America. Massume up the car. It was the spokesperson of the group of students who took American diplomats hostage. Guess what? Now, her own son living here, and she is welcomed on CNN. She's a regular guest on CNN. She is part of the government in Iran. And now you're hearing New York Times won't cancel me, but they go after Masume up the car and interview her. So this is the mindset of the activist, journalist, the government here, the United States of America, so trying to be politically correct. And they are not even aware of the danger of that. It is, when it comes to terrorists, do not people that they can correct, name them who they are, stop giving democratic titles to terrorists, calling them president, calling them, you know, scholars at university, calling them activists, dissidents, they are not. There's no one I think.

Exactly. I mean, Sam, this is very, very simple thing. There is no need for me and you to educate anyone. There should be an investigative report about the family members, the relatives and the members of IRGC living here at the United States of America taking the platforms, going to universities, educating the youth here in America about the peace of Islam and Islamic ideology. There is an investigative report about the relative of Putin. What is different? How many is the biggest ally of Putin? How many is the one providing drones for printing to kill innocent Ukrainians? The Wagner group is in the terrorist list. Revolutionary gars is in the terrorist list, but what is different between the relative of the Wagner group and the members of Revolutionary gars? That's very dangerous. Believe me, I'm gonna warn. You, that if you don't join us, the woman of Iran, to end this regime and trying to be politically correct here in America, you will face more of the terrorists here on U.S. soil targeting the U.S. citizens. And you actually mentioned about the kidnapping plot of me. That happened three years ago. So what happened when the FBI stopped the kidnapping plot, then year after they sent killers, they hired killers. They sent it in front of my house. Why? Lack of actions. They got back. This time with killers, I don't know what's going to happen for me in the third attempt. I don't want President Biden to do anything after I get killed. by the Islamic Republic agency. I want them to take actions before.

There are a lot of different organizations actually documenting about the crime against humanity that the Islamic Republic has been committed for 40 years. I actually want to specifically mention about new campaign, which we, the people of Iran, the women of Iran alongside the women of Afghanistan launched, called United Against Gender apartheid. And I don't think this is difficult. The Islamic Republic is a gender apartheid regime. all of those who supported banning Africa during apartheid. They have to join us to criminalize gender apartheid. And it's not difficult. Members of the states here at the United Nations are fortunate. I don't have any hope. The United Nations became a place to unite dictators, but still, we're calling on different countries to join us to expand the definition of apartheid in all existing laws to include apartheid as well. That will make our work a little bit easier to kick these barbaric regimes and take them to international court to ICC.

You know, I was actually under attack by the same lobbyist saying that Massey is being paid by the US government. I was like, wow, as a journalist, my salary is like the same salary is the teachers here in America received. You even blaming the victims. My dream is to be a journalist. in my own homeland, Iran. You should blame, put the blame on them, kicking me out from my country. And El Honomar, which I want to, again, name her. She shared the article saying that Masiya Linishot is being paid by the Rio of Scotland. And I was like, voice of America is a respectable platform. And I worked with for them when President Obama was in power, when President Trump was in power, and now when President Biden is in power. It means that I'm using the platform to echo the voice of voices people. Why are you bullying me? I am not the enemy. Why you are fighting with me instead of fighting against Islamic Republic? So yeah, the lobby is trying to use the social media, spread misinformation, fake news against us. When you go to my social media, you will see I'm on their attack every single day. They send letters to different organizations to cancel us. So for us, it's not easy to fight against them. That's why I always say that we should be united. The way that the zombie department and their proxies and their lobbyists are united against us. We launched a campaign, you remember, about we've been cancelled. Like, not Yamorad, the Nobel Peace Prize, the Azidivaman. It was wrong to go to Canada to give a talk. And they cancelled her talk. Why? Because she opened. They, the day when I was very happy because the guy got arrested with AK 47 in front of my house, some of the organizations immediately, they canceled me for the name, for the safety of their own attendees, their own employees. I was like, wow, you interview Abraham Raecy, but you canceled me because I've been the target of the killers.

So can I use the opportunity to call on her to join the women of Iran? I really want Amal Kuluni to join the women of Iran to help us to take the Islamic Republic to gender, apartheid regime who actually rape women in prison, who actually kill women for simply walking unveiled, who blinded women, gasped the school girls, so she can help us to take the Islamic Republic to criminal international criminal court. I mean, this is not me asking her. This is Nargis Maamadi, the Nobel Peace Prize winner within prison, alongside more than 60 women in prison calling her and calling the Western activists to help us to take the gender apartheid regime in Iran to international criminal court. Is that too much to ask?

It's a very clever weaponization of the term, and it's, I hope it's effective because, obviously, it's not because I'm being bombarded now by some of the West who actually attacked our anti-compulsory veiling campaign now saying that apartheid carries historical pain and comes with a baggage and don't use it.

They can go to my stealthy freedom website. And this is the website of my campaign against compulsory veiling, but we actually created a new initiative, which is called United against gender apartheid. So trying to gather the testimonies from women who experience torture, rape, and actually experience the gender apartheid regime in Iran and Afghanistan to get the Islamic Republic international criminal courts.

Thank you, I hope one day I'm going to invite you to my beautiful country Iran, which is an happiness.

Thank you so much, my team. Together we are a stronger. Thank you. So happy I enjoyed the conversation.