Transcript for "Larry David"

Hi, this is Larry David. I've been asked to say that I'm going to be on the show later. So I'm complying with that request. Yeah, welcome to... What is this? I don't even know what I'm on here. What is this?

I'm not single so. I'm not going.

Hey, do you like weather? Come over here for real quick. Can I talk to you for a second?

I think I've told you this before. I live in such a snow. I grew up in such a snow, snowy, plant one, not really that snowy, but cold. To the extent that this morning dropping the kids of the bus, it was raining stuff. And I saw this one.

I don't live in the valley. So it's the only way. I see. I see a road that's going up off Beverly Glenn, like really steep little side road. And I think at my first and I had this in my old house like boy man, that's gonna be tough when it gets icy. It doesn't get icy.

My old house, when I was gonna buy it, I thought, like, fuck, how am I gonna get up to sing when it ISIS? And then, like, oh, it doesn't get ISIS. Never ISIS. Never ISIS. I don't know. By the way, sir, go ahead, Sean, are you gonna say something, but I... Why I was just gonna say, because it realizes I'm talking, I did one of those, another mistake I get, one of those emails, and it had the thing, and it had, like, reviews buried in the email, I opened it up, and then it has, like, a couple, about the podcast. One of them was one star, and it said, just will only get one hour to speak a week, because it just wouldn't shut up, and I'm like, I wanted to give you this guy's satisfaction, but at the same time, I'm thinking like, it's free. Yeah. He didn't pay anything for it.

I guess so. And or it made him so mad that this thing he's getting for free, that he went online and typed out a message gave the.

Well, you know, I do it for you guys. I'm out here. You want me on that wall, you know, you need.

I know. It was very, it was very. I'll take it under advisement though. Yeah, we take it under advisement. So I'm going to shut up. Oh, don't do that.

Jason's tech available.

Here. Hang on. Let me remind you where you were. So Scotty loves peanut butter. Go ahead. Right. Wait, by the way.

You think that this would fit into the breaking news category.

By the way, he's not supposed to be a dating site. It's supposed to be just a culinary site. I mean, but appreciation site turned into a date. I think I'm married to the GIF headquarters.

Yeah, I remember one. Yeah, I remember one. Yeah, I remember one. Yeah, I remember one. Yeah, I remember one. Yeah, I remember one. Yeah, Right.

How about 15 minutes?

By the way, the dog thing. I love when the dogs are out of the house. So I can have a meal. That's what I'm saying. And relax. That's what I'm saying. You can't eat with them.

No, she started feeding them from the table. It's all your fault. Yeah. I gave her a dirty look, but she did it.

I'm telling you, I take snacks into my bathroom. I do.

So we talk about Sean's appearance on Curb this year.

Be honest. I'm going to be as honest as I can. Yeah. He was fantastic. I don't know. Really? I bet he was really fine. Listen, he was no fantastic. He played a lawyer and you believe this guy was a lawyer. And he had to do a scene where he wakes up in the morning. It was like Gene Hackman from the French connection. Oh, boy. The acting display of him getting up in the morning. Sure. You know, that whole deal. Yeah. I was my math job.

A little bit. Which Sean has the worst sleep hygiene I imagined of the four of us here. So that must of you had to dig deep. Did you study people sleeping? How'd you do it, Sean?

No, I was never asked. Yeah, I don't mean any good boy. Not one boy. There he said to me there. Do you remember this like about a year ago I went into and yeah, there was a show. He said, he did. And he goes, how come you go, how come you were never on curve? I said, first of all, I said, well, because I think I'm too tall. And then I said, and then I said, we, to your show, you never asked me. That's why it's the primary.

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I think it's, I think it's the improvising. Actors really love to improvise.

Yes, not many, but there have been a few. Yeah, who really couldn't. Had a tough time.

It's only a touch. It's only happened. It's only happened a couple of times in the, in the show where people were trying to be funny.

Do you pull sounds like? Here's the note. Yeah. Don't try to be funny. Oh shit. Yeah.

Sean, do you have an agenda you're trying to get?

I haven't even got to the point yet that I feel so slight up bummed out that I, yeah, because I would have, I would have loved that environment so much. And Larry, it's not over. I mean, I've run into Gary on the, to Larry on the golf course. I keep calling him Gary. That's why I run into him.

Maybe that's something to do with it.

I run in Larry on the golf course before I've never been able to say it except for the one time when he asked me where I haven't been on. I was like, man, I really, and it is one of my true regrets. I was like, that's an environment. I feel like I would have really, you wouldn't like this. Because I like to fuck around. But anyway, so Larry, welcome to the podcast.

Before I ever do anything, any show ever, I always regret that I said yes. And I feel that way today.

No, I'm good about saying no. Yeah, good.

Larry, can we go back, Sean? Can I grab the reins here for a second?

I kind of want to, I know that you were a stand-up back in New York. You started sort of as a stand-up, right? And I know this from, I got kind of a history of you through our mutual friend Jim Valley, the Great Jim Valley, the Great Jim Valley. He left in my building. And he lived in your building. I remember telling you stories about it. And when Tanish's daughter was little and Jim was kind of a stayed home dad in a lot of ways, right? And he would talk about you living in the building at Manhattan Plaza, right? Right. What was that like, being a stand-up back then? Like, what was your kind of, what were your ambitions when you were doing that? Back in those days living in Manhattan, Puzzle, and being a, did you want to be the world's greatest stand-up?

Well, I did want to, I wanted to be a great stand-up. Yeah. I wasn't. But I wanted to be one. Yeah. And I really would have settled, if you had told me in 1987, And you offered me $200 a week to do stand up in New York at the clubs $200 a week for the rest of your life. I would have taken it. Wow.

We have an offer for you. I had no hopes to do anything.

No, just to get out of college.

I took history, I dropped out of college, but I was a history major, and I love history. I read mainly.

Yeah, I had no, I wasn't, I wasn't interested in show business. Right. Really?

It's a both.

I know. If you were to split it up, I don't think it would have been the worst thing in the world. If you would have given me half and half, I admire the half. You know, sometimes somebody will tell me he's a half. Oh, that's great. That's great.

No. My mother was funny without trying to be funny without realizing she was being funny. Right. She had a kind of a Gracie Allen quality about her. In fact, my friends called my mother Gracie, but it wasn't purposeful. Right. She wasn't cracking wise. Right.

Yeah, because Vietnam was going on. I didn't want to go again. I didn't want to go and signed up for the reserves.

No, I never got drafted. But I got out of the reserves after two years with a psychiatric discharge.

Let's hear more about that. Yeah.

Oh, I told this, I told this, I think, gun on Howard Stern. It's kind of a long story, but should I make a long story short?

No, I was in the army. The reserves I went to basic training was horrendous. It was the worst experience of my life. Yeah. I was, you know, ducking under live ammunition and firing weapons and jumping. I had bayonets and And so I did that for eight weeks, and then I had occupational specialty school. I was a petroleum store specialist. And then we had to, yeah, well, you have to fill up the tanks with gas. Somebody has to do it. And so then after I got out, I had to go to meetings once a month. at the Floyd Bennett Field, a big airplane hanger, and was freezing, and I had to go home, and I stayed at my apartment, at my parents' apartment in Brooklyn, and I stayed with them for Saturday, Friday nights, and Saturday night, and then I'd go home back to New York on Sunday. But the beatings were Saturday and Sunday, and then I heard about a psychiatrist who was writing letters to get people out. Sure. So I borrowed $250. I went to see the psychiatrist. I convinced him that I was insane. He wrote me a letter saying I was insane.

My flavor was I wanted to kill myself.

It was, I don't know how to do it.

It was, I don't know how to do it. You were trying to get rid of, where are you going to avoid it?

It was just too hard.

I was able to act, I was able to act.

I think I could have, I think I could have fooled, I don't know if I'd fooled him, because everybody was acting for him. But when I went to the meeting, armed with the letter. Sure. Now I'm really acting insane. And these people who knew me for two years, because I went off into the corner, I was huddled by myself, I was looking around. Acting crazy.

And so somebody, and I saw people pointing at me talking about me. I know they were, is you nuts? What was going on with me? And then I went to see the major, and I gave him the letter, and he read the letter, and I'm sitting across from him acting as nutty as a fruit cake, and... You should have chewed off a corner of the letter. Well, he had the letter. He read the letter. He asked me a couple of questions after the letter. And then he said to me, can you drive home?

I knew I had him. I said, oh, yeah, yeah. I'm a good driver.

I tell you what, we could have used some of that kind of ingenuity in Vietnam. Now, just say, we could have used people. I thought, yeah, I couldn't have used it, Larry.

I'm sure I could have made a contribution in some way.

We were both comedians in New York. And so you knew each other. So we knew each other in New York. He generally performed at the comic strip, I was at the improv, but we would see each other a lot. We always enjoyed each other's company. We would actually go and write together, and they have to know, and he'd bring his premises, I'd bring my premises, and we'd go over them. And I had written a screenplay that somehow he had read. And then when NBC approached him about doing a show, He came to me and asked if I'd be interested in working with it.

Had you written a half hour script before? No. No.

But did you, so when you get into that sort of running that half hour multi-cam format?

Wait a second, wait a second. I did write one half hour, I did write a half hour pilot for Gilbert Gottfried. No kidding. Yeah, that was filmed and they didn't pick it up. That was for HBO.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. They didn't like it. Yeah.

So. But I love you. Sorry, Willie. Well, I was just going to say, so I kind of want to get into this half-hour format. So you do multi-cam. But the way that you do side-felt's not like traditional multi-cam. Because you have, well, at least initially, you kind of would go back and forth to Jerry doing his stand-up. And then you guys kind of fine tune that as you went, is my recollection again. Right.

But then the premise of the show, the premise of the show initially was how, how does a comedian get his material? So we would go through an episode and you would see whatever happened to him on the show, he would turn into material. That was like the idea.

Not, I don't think after the first year, I think it was a couple of years.

And then you just kind of moved it to the end. Yeah, right. But did you, did you, again, I don't want to get two in the weeds on the format.

No, no, go on the weeds.

But I'm worthy in the weeds. Did you enjoy it? Did you, I don't know, was it difficult for you writing in that format? Was it a format that you liked or that you had to get used to or that you rebelled against?

No, I was okay with it. I didn't mind at all. At one point, I said to him, I can't believe they're letting us do this. I was really surprised. Really? Yeah, I felt like, I felt like, how are we getting away with this?

Well, for the first four shows, I wasn't the executive producer. Yeah. They brought in someone who had experience, sure. And who had a show on the air previously, and they brought them in, and he was my boss. Right. And so we handed in, we handed in the first a couple of shows. And then we were called into his office for notes.

That note meeting. It did not go well.

Yes, an esoteric problem, less esoteric or

I said no to everything he said.

So I'm not going to do that. I can't do that. You know, I was, and then like, quit, and they said, Jared, Jared, and then Jerry went to California so I could say, look, forget it, we're going to do this or not. And so then that was that guy didn't really participate after that. Yeah. And it was essentially, it was essentially my show after that.

Yeah. Larry, and I, it should be noted in, I was, I was a fan of Jerry's. I saw him. I was like 17. My buddy's got me from my birthday to go see Jerry play in Toronto. Oh, no. Yeah. And it was a really big fan of his stand up. And so when you guys started the show, I watched first season. I just moved to New York. It was the fall of 90 right when you guys came on the air I think that's where nurse summer maybe summer of 90 yeah summer of 90 yeah the pilot came on in the summer of 89 and then the first four shows came on in June of 90 yeah and so crazy and it was the sign-filled chronicles as everybody knows right

Yeah, the first season. Yeah, first season. And they were just the pilot, I think. I think it was just the pilot. Oh, was it? I don't remember.

Yeah. And I seem to remember, I think we talked about this maybe when Jerry was on, that the budget for the show at NBC came out of late night, right, that. Yeah. Initially, it was Rick Ledwinu, who I think variety of variety. Yeah. And right was it?

Yeah, one of the greats. He championed the show. Great. So the show ended up getting on the air if not for him.

No, I know, but when they got older. And they got all of it. It was off the air. First of all, don't shut you.

Real quick.

Sean, the show and off the show and off in 98. My daughter, Cassie, was born in 94. Okay. And Rome, he was born in 96.

Larry, Larry, how did you guys go with like, toddlers? Did you guys get a lot of toddlers? Yeah.

Take like 10 years off. But when we started, we started. Holy shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was a sign-filled head ended and I was thinking about What I was going to do next and Jeff Garland had, I had an office at Castlerock and Jeff Garland had an office next door. And he said to me, what are you going to do now? I said, I'm thinking about going back to stand up. And he said, well, you should film it. And then I thought about, well, what is that going to be filming it? That sounds intrusive. I don't know. What are they? Because the camera is going to follow me into a dry cleaner. I could understand. I could see how it's going to be on stage. That could be somewhat interesting to see the growth of the act. Right. From beginning to end, but offstage, I didn't like the idea of filming myself. Father, camera's following me around. I didn't feel I'm all that interesting to follow. Yeah. And so I thought maybe if I wrote some fictitious stories. Yeah. that we could do that around the standard. The standard could be real, but the offstage stuff would be just stuff I made up. And so that's what I did. I wrote an outline. I made Jeff my manager, Cheryl audition. She was my wife. Yeah. We had kids in the first special, because that's what it was. It was a special. It wasn't a pilot. It was just a one-off special. Right, we got it. And did you get it? Or did I, could I repeat it one more time? Yeah, you can't wait to hear what happened to the kids. Well, I didn't really want to see the kids. I realized that was the special.

I just pretended the first show never. Never had one.

Yeah, that's the best way to do it. I love never came back. Never need to fucking explain it. No, no, no. I don't need to explain everything, right? I love that. Just fucking changed it.

I didn't want, I didn't want kids in the show. I just thought the show would be so much funnier without kids. I didn't want to deal with kids. I don't want to keep having to explain. What about the kids? Where are the kids on the drugs? Okay. I don't want to have to keep justifying everything that was going on and having to explain where the kids were.

guy you did something really genius which is you were able to play this version of yourself if you will and you get to sort of be cranky and say whatever you want and and it has it it must have kind of so obvious it just blend into your real life that you're able to now because people just buy it and they're like not just Larry being Larry he's like from the show and now you can just you can go to a gas station give guy the finger and like people will laugh to you later This planet. I mean, I don't know about the planet, but like the Wesert of LA and Manhattan, you could do whatever the fuck you want.

It made my life so much better.

Jesus, I'm fucking Christ. Now I'm jealous. I'm really getting heated now. When I realized this fucking cart, you literally wrote printed yourself a cart blanche to say whatever the fuck you want in the places that we

that we, and people, people disappointed if I'm not that way. I know.

People like fuck the guy, pay the disability. They didn't tell me to go fuck myself. I mean, what am I doing right?

I haven't noticed that, but it is acting, doing that Larry David on the show. Yeah. It is, it is of so much fun, first of all, and kind of a little cathartic in a way.

I know what you mean. Because a little cathartic in a way, we're to couch it. I mean, obviously, it's the greatest.

Yeah. It was just about a law that exists in that state.

I remember when I when I heard about that lie wrote it down in my notebook and then I knew I was going to you had to use that.

You're all set.

Do any other industries you want to get into?

I'd love to be an offensive coordinator for an NFL team. Okay. That would be my dream job.

Very offensive coordinator.

No, I don't know anything about it, but I feel like that's good at it. Yeah, I know nothing. But I feel like if I studied it, if somebody took me under their wing, I feel like in a year or two, like a design, I feel I could design great plays. It's a creative endeavor, really, when you think about it.

I've never done that.

I honestly feel I could do it.

Well, you know, I'm a jet fan. I'm also a giant fan, but I'm more jets than giants. When Joe, the name of the came in in 1965, I really took to him. And so I became a jet fan.

You hate holidays. It becomes a job returning the birthday emails. It's a bit of a job. So yeah, I don't like it.

Like what I could do is make a face and shake your head. Yeah.

I did test. I did test all holidays.

Not one. Not one. There's not one holiday that I like. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I hate Halloween. I hate Thanksgiving. Right. I hate Christmas. New years I can stand because I know that the whole thing's going to be over soon after that.

I'll stay up. I haven't stayed up past 12 and in the 15 years.

The kids the the kids the bothering you know, but you're not gonna the door by the way. My house is my house is in darkness on Halloween. All the lights around nobody knocks on the door.

So they'd be like, you can probably get away with putting a sign this and go fuck yourself. I'm still really grinding on this.

The thing about the dinner party is you don't know who's going. That's right. And that's what really bothers me about it. That it's such a, it's such a fucking secret. That's who you're inviting. And then you show up, oh, you're here. Oh, oh, oh, hello. You know, I, I, who needs that? Tell me who's going. And I'll see if I want to go. Yeah. Why can't I know?

And all of a sudden you're spending two and a half hours.

Right. With a stranger, you've got nothing to say to them.

Yeah. If you're not going to go to the beach, you're going to look at the weather. And if the weather is rainy, you're not going to fucking go for two and a half hours, right?

Exactly. I don't get it. I don't get it. So a couple of weeks ago, I was invited. And I asked, I said, it was going to be there. And offense was taken. Sure. OK. I didn't go.

Me? Yeah.

Yes. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'm golden ruling it.

I'm doing on to them as I want them to do want to me.

I'm with you on that. I get kind of offended. These guys know like if you invite me to a one year old birthday party. I'm fucking mad. I'm like don't invite me to a one year old birthday party. That's outrageous.

You know, don't blame me. You're waiting on a weekend in the summer.

Oh, the barmen's the barmen's is even worse than the wedding.

No, but my kids go to the barmen's shop because that's where all the makeouts happen. Yeah, just the service.

It's any anything to do with it. They're just intolerable. Top of the bar.

Supercharge your work.

You think Larry wants to do this? Are you going to take my bath? We've never done a speed. Where is it?

It's a terrible idea.

What's terrible? Yeah, make Larry the monkey. Oh, he shons upset. OK, Sean, do one speed.

What about when he went to Broadway?

If I had been in New York when it was, uh, for six months.

Yeah. Well, I suppose it's going to fly to New York. Yes.

I didn't tell you to do that. I would have persuaded you. I would have said, are you nuts? I don't want you to come. That's what I would have told you. And you should have told me the same thing.

It was called fish in the dark.

Yeah, that's sneak up on you, Larry. I don't know. It was the dumbest decision I've ever made in my life.

It was my fault. I'm the one who agreed to it. It was my fault. I didn't write it to be in it. Right. I got talked into it by the producer.

It was the first show was February 4th. The last show was June 9th in 2015. Wow. So 144 performances. How many months is that? What if I've been in February, March, April? Yeah, it's five months. You think that? Sorry. February, March, April, May, four and a half.

Uh-huh. Sean, how many did you do of Connecticut Oscar? Six months.

But how many performances he knows is number? I don't know.

How many chances did you do a week?

Never again. It was boring. Doing the same stuff over night after night after night. I found it boring.

You lose your voice ever? No, I don't have any funny stories. Oh, good. Did you? I did. I did notice that. The question, no, Sean. Thanks. It becomes so wrote and... No, there's no creativity at all after you do the first 10. Right. And you're just doing the same thing over and over again.

Okay, I tried something new once.

And I got so thrown by it. Oh. The whole system broke down and I forgot the next line. Oh, no. I looked, I looked a different way. Instead of looking to the right, I looked to the left and all of a sudden, it all went to the skew.

No, I realized where I was, finally, but that was the last time I tried anything different. Yeah, exactly.

That's exactly the story.

That's odd. Right, those neuro pathways are dug so deep based on what Larry, what do you do when you're not? When you're not not doing your show anymore and you're not doing stand up. What do you, I know you like to play golf. Is there anything else that you like to do that you have any sort of stupid hobbies or anything that you do to occupy your time that people wouldn't know?

No, not really.

No, nothing. Wait, watch TV. What are you going to cable news on?

I do. I do what I do. Everybody else does. I read. I watch TV.

You're romance novels? Yeah, you know.

Do you read any spy novels you get into that shit and anything like that?

I read a great book about the spies in England. I forgot the name of it.

We'll be cutting this, right?

Don't, let's cut that, too.

We don't want that out in the public.

That's a good question. It's a very good question.

You can never take the shoes off. You mean even when you're sleeping?

Easily. That's such an easy question. What do you think?

I'd rather live without the internet, even without the air conditioning.

And, uh, Kirby enthusiasm, the final, is it called the final frontier? What's the name? Is there like a subtitle? No, it's just something.

Yeah. I like that. Yeah.

That's very good. Yeah. I'm looking, Sean, I'm really looking forward to people seeing you on Curve because you're a fantastic unit.

Hey guys, this wasn't, this wasn't as awful as I thought it was going to be.

Hey, thanks man. That's one of the best reviews we've ever had.

We've played.

I see them out there.

Yeah.

We're gonna play together one day.

I'm around. I played over it at your club the other day for that for the pro-am they did.

Yeah, I don't even get invited to that. Is that true? We'll just want to head and want it. Come on.

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Don't you find a curious that I'm not invited to play in that program?

Yeah. Canadian moron gets invited. How are you?

Anyway, well, Larry, we'll get out of place today. That'd be good. And I'll show you around your own club where to hit it and stuff, you know.

Let's see what we'll do. Let's see what we'll do. Oh, you're not terrible. You're much better than I am. No, you're right around there, Larry.

Yeah. This, this statement character is good.

Hey, man, you know, we shot a 70 at Bell Air two weeks ago.

He's going to New York to work.

He's back here this week, but what are you doing in New York?

Yeah. You didn't need to grab the hair in the beard for that dude.

I don't know what to say to that. Bank Feds. It should be, and I know you hate it, not to bear it. You've done so much great stuff in your career. And for guys like me, and I can speak for these guys, it's a thrill. Honestly, you're such a funny guy, you're such a funny writer, you're such a funny performer, and it's inspiring to be totally on. Again, not the famous spot.

You don't want to respond.

but it's great and we look up to people like, you know, to you and what you do. I think it's awesome. You do one of my favorites.

And I know it's not, and sometimes it's not cool and comedy to pay those kinds of compliments or whatever, but it is true, and you are definitely inspiration. So thank you for all the awesome stuff you've done.

Well, you're very, very nice to say that. I wish I could take it in. I know, you don't have to.

All right, I see you. Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah. I didn't. I meant his way. Jay, you know his wife, Ashley? Tiny bit, yeah.

He legit did say that. How come you're never on it? I was like, what's your show? Well, you never asked me so.

Yeah.

You know, it's tough to hear the truth, I guess.

I don't know. Well, we just you just brought it up.

Now it's so he's at 60%. Now he's at 66%. I guess second ago he was about a thousand and now it's pretty amazing.

Oh three. Well three. The Gilbert Godfrey thing. I know he is so incredibly, so fucking cool. And I do mean that apart from that, he not only did he write himself license to do what he wants, right, in terms of his behavior and being as cranky as he wants in a way that is really, you know, folks a lot of jealousy in me, but also he got paid really handsomely to do that.

Yeah, I just loved it.

And sorry, and figuratively years. And figuratively years.

It's pretty good. And I will say, actually, you've got some history with this. I've obviously spent some time in between, you know, over the years doing shit that other people won't do stuff that seems really scary and gnarly. Yeah. So I can see it, but how much of an appetite do you have for doing shit that you're not? You didn't think people could do.

I mean, to an extent, I grew up Mormon, so I wasn't allowed to do anything. And so, like, for me, I guess it wasn't like being brave in terms of like jumping off a cliff, but it was like leaving a religion, giving hand jobs. There were, you know, there were the things that I needed.

That was the first thing.

Yes, I left at 20. I touched a penis for the first time at 28. Is that true? That is true, yeah.

It was touching the penis, the thing that... Yeah, it was.

It was the gateway. The penis was the gateway. The penis was the gateway. Yeah.

Wow. When did you have your first Coke? Coca-Cola?

Coca-Cola.

I was like a we were kind of moments who drank Coca-Cola, but I didn't have my first coffee until I was 28 and I remember like being so afraid to order it just because I didn't know everything happened at 28 everything because I laughed at 28. Yeah, once I had touched a dick, I was, you know.

Um, everyone, yeah, everyone is.

Decent. Yeah. Great. Yeah.

You started with Decent. I mean, I love to dig into that. You open with Decent.

I'm going to take you away. I realize they might hear this. What's relationship?

By the way, if they're listening to this, then they're lapsed.

That's right. Was it hardcore?

But if you, if you hit the pentacosos, they could maybe be on an episode of Pretty sure I can fly because of their handling snakes. Oh, yeah.

I mean, that's one of the things that like I love about interviewing the different people we've interviewed is like, I remember the sports writer telling me that like all the greatest athletes had some primal wound that in that thing that happened in their childhood is what makes them like achieve or even try. And so many of these people that we've talked to, like you find out, oh, like, you know, Manipu who, you know, you've seen on Jackass and who Johnny knows. Like I had no idea that like his father was killed by a firing squad in Cuba. like the origin of what made him crazy. Do these insane brave things came from like something really deep and real or like Garrett McNamara, who's a wonderful way guy. He's learned about his child. It's bonkers. Like he basically like at one point his mother was this hippie, but she put him in this cult. They have a lot of cults. A lot of cults, but the most memorable.

He was in many cults.

Yes. But the one they had to renounce, all their possessions, he and his brother had to wear his bed sheets. They just walked around. They had to beg for everything they couldn't buy anything. And it was just so humiliating to be walking the streets in Berkeley in these outfits begging for things. And you know, these back stories are like, what get them to do things.

addiction to. It became yourself dangerous for years of a dangerous situation.

It must. It must. What is it? Was there a thing like was there like a common trait that you noticed a lot of these people that you other than the childhood? A lot of them came from difficult childhoods. Everything else like that sort of had the game in that fearlessness.

And, and usually, I mean, like, it's, it's complicated though, right? Because like, you're talking about like a adrenaline junkies, right? Right. Right. So, ma, so more. Some get in and then kind of become addicted and then they're trying to accomplish something great. But they're also putting their, I mean, you're a perfect example, Johnny. Like you put your life on the line and then ultimately suffered a traumatic brain injury. So there's this level at which you're on the razor's edge of admiring and also being like, you guys should stop.

Sean wants to know, and just ask, he's that I want to embarrass himself. Can you catch my brain injury from watching TV every night?

Hey, Sean, have you seen 100 foot wave by the way? No, you have to watch this. And it's by that guy Garrett Meckner. I definitely told you about it in watching what he, these big waves surfers do, not just Garrett, but all those guys. When I see those guys go, when they're like, man, there's this storm coming to Portugal to Nazarene.

And I need to get on a surfboard that dude told me in behind a ski do. So I can get on the storm waves. And I'm thinking like, I know, I'm looking for the closest restaurant that's got a happy hour.

Yeah. Cool runnings butchered it.

Like, you know, right now, you're telling me that the Disney movie cool runnings that was trying to capitalize on the Jamaican Bob's team did it.

What? Who wasn't trying to take this away from you?

Really cool story.

I mean, he's saying story.

Do you know this? They ended up training for mud. They trained on batteries. But they would go through it.

Thank you. Thank you so much.

Can you tell me the story of the double backflip? Because that to me was also, I mean, I got chills in that moment in the movie, but I would love to hear you tell me the story.

And even up until you did it, it seemed like, was it really like I don't know if I'm going to go through it or not?

Yeah.

Wait, you, you, the, the deciding fact.

And no one has ever done this before.

So we'd end see your up there and you're about to go.

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